List 3-division world titlists...

[Illmatic]

its a hell of an accomplishment...add as many as you can to the list...

Felix Trinidad
Wilfred Vazquez
Pernell Whitaker
Oscar de la Hoya
Wilfred Benitez
Floyd Mayweather
Shane Mosley
Manny Pacquaio (world championship at 126)
Erik Morales
Marco Antonio Barrera
Henry Armstrong
Tommy Hearns
Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney
Mike McCallum
Hector Camacho
Julio Cesar Chavez

**edit, add**
Bob Fitzsimmons
Emile Griffith
Tony Canzoneri
Barney Ross
Jeff Fenech
Duke McKenzie
Iran Barkley

[bmf95b]

Manny Pacquaio is a 2 division WORLD champ. At 126 he had a draw with Juan Manuel marquez. He was the WBC Fly weight and IBF Super bantam weight World Champion. Today he is the WBC international super feather weight champ. If he beats Juan manuel it will be for the WBC Super feather weight WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[kg0208]

By 3 division world titlists, do you mean LINEAL? Because that list is much shorter (and somewhat debatable)

[Illmatic]

Manny Pacquaio is a 2 division WORLD champ. At 126 he had a draw with Juan Manuel marquez. He was the WBC Fly weight and IBF Super bantam weight World Champion. Today he is the WBC international super feather weight champ. If he beats Juan manuel it will be for the WBC Super feather weight WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Barrera was the featherweight champion even though he had no world title. Pacquaio kayoed him, and won the featherweight championship.

[Illmatic]

By 3 division world titlists, do you mean LINEAL? Because that list is much shorter (and somewhat debatable)

world titles (wba/wbc/ibf/wbo), linear, world championships all count

[bmf95b]

So then you mean LINEAL right? So now I see your point, anyhow COOL.

[kg0208]

So then you mean LINEAL right? So now I see your point, anyhow COOL.
Yeah, Pacquiao was lineal at 112, 122, and 126. I think.

Edit: Apparently he wasn't lineal at 122.

[bmf95b]

Well PAC-MAN is a Bad MF anyway.

[kg0208]

The list of fighters to hold 3 lineal titles is very short, something like 8 or 9 fighters, with at least one or two being in dispute.

Armstrong held 3 lineal titles at once, hows that for being accomplished lol.

[Illmatic]

So then you mean LINEAL right? So now I see your point, anyhow COOL.

lineal and undisputed.

Hamed rightfully won all 4 belts and linear titles, Barrera beat him, and Pac beat him.

[chimba]

PAc was only lineal at Fly

[Illmatic]

The list of fighters to hold 3 lineal titles is very short, something like 8 or 9 fighters, with at least one or two being in dispute.

Armstrong held 3 lineal titles at once, hows that for being accomplished lol.

and a draw for the middleweight title. Thats why I have him #2 p4p all time.

[kg0208]

PAc was only lineal at Fly

He is listed as lineal at 126 as well.

[kg0208]

and a draw for the middleweight title. Thats why I have him #2 p4p all time.
I got him #1 P4P and #2 ATG.

[Illmatic]

awesome...12 posts and no contributions

[chimba]

sorry Actually he was lineal at featherweight too..If PAc moves to Lightweight and beats Casamayor..He'll join Armstrong and Fitzimimons as the only three fighters to win three lineal titles in three original weights. wow

[Asterion]

I only count lineal 3-division Champs:

-Bob Fitzsimmons
-Henry Armstrong
-Tony Canzoneri
-Barney Ross
-Ray Leonard
-Oscar de la Hoya
-Floyd Mayweather

[Illmatic]

I only count lineal 3-division Champs:

-Bob Fitzsimmons
-Henry Armstrong
-Tony Canzoneri
-Barney Ross
-Ray Leonard
-Oscar de la Hoya
-Floyd Mayweather

damn, good list...i always forget what great accomplishments ross had. Feather, lightweight and welterweight, right?

[kg0208]

I only count lineal 3-division Champs:

-Bob Fitzsimmons
-Henry Armstrong
-Tony Canzoneri
-Barney Ross
-Ray Leonard
-Oscar de la Hoya
-Floyd Mayweather

Some debate Mayweather's. And the debate isn't about him, more so about how Lineal titles are created once vacated. Some say a unification of the WBA and WBC, some say a unification of WBA, WBC, and IBF (the WBO has never been included, at least not yet) and some say a fight between the recognized #1 and #2 in the division (recognized by WHO is the question)

[Asterion]

damn, good list...i always forget what great accomplishments ross had. Feather, lightweight and welterweight, right?

He was Lightweight, Jr. Welterweight and Welterweight Champ. I didn't remember, so I checked BoxRec. He won, at the same time, the Lightweight and Jr. Welterweight title...while fighting at 135 pounds. That stuff shouldn't be allowed, in my opinion.

Canzoneri was Champ at Featherweight, Lightweight and Jr. Welterweight. He also had a draw for the Bantamweight title.

[chimba]

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This was a news on ESB a few months back.. I think some on asterions list arent lineal or either in between weights

[kg0208]

We forgot Emile Griffith off that list.

[Asterion]

We forgot Emile Griffith off that list.

:good

[kg0208]

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This was a news on ESB a few months back.. I think some on asterions list arent lineal or either in between weights

His list was of 3 weight class lineal champions, not just of the original 8.

[chimba]

His list was of 3 weight class lineal champions, not just of the original 8.

Oh ok big difference

[T.C.W]

Jeff Fenech, titles at 118,122,126 in the 80s

[SouthLondonsFinest]

Duke Mckenzie

[Illmatic]

Duke Mckenzie

damn...good job...i cant believe he won titles in 3 divisions

[Boom_Boom]

Edit: Apparently he wasn't lineal at 122.

He was ROBBED!!!

The outcome of that fight pissed me off so much

He was beating the shit out of Agapito Sanchez, and Aggy wanted anyway out of it and did so by fighting dirty, he should of been DQ'd.
and
Raul Caiz is a freaking moron with his retarded scorecard.

[kg0208]

He was ROBBED!!!

The outcome of that fight pissed me off so much

He was beating the shit out of Agapito Sanchez, and Aggy wanted anyway out of it and did so by fighting dirty, he should of been DQ'd.
and
Raul Caiz is a freaking moron with his retarded scorecard.

Sanchez wasn't lineal though, he won his belt vacant.

[Boom_Boom]

Do you know who was lineal at the time, I just knew it was unification.

[kg0208]

Do you know who was lineal at the time, I just knew it was unification.

Apparently, no one. The titles hadn't been unified in years at that weight.

[Beeston Brawler]

I don't think Pac Man cares about belts - why would he 'defend' an international title about seven times!

The belt is secondary to the guys in the middle - the way boxing is these days means this is commonplace.

[ripcity]

I got him #1 P4P and #2 ATG.
could you expalne the diffrence?

[box_fan_uk]

Iran Barkley

[Illmatic]

Iran Barkley

damn, youre right....the things you can accomplish by having a great fighters #

[Boom_Boom]

Apparently, no one. The titles hadn't been unified in years at that weight.
then it would of been lineal still even if Sanchez's belt was given to him

[kg0208]

then it would of been lineal still even if Sanchez's belt was given to him

How so? Winning two belts isn't even full unification much less Lineal.

The 3 different ways people contend that a lineal champion can be re-established after it has been vacated or broken are as follows (to my knowledge)

1. WBA-WBC Unification. (I doubt this is accurate since it has been re-established without this. But it is arguable since they are the 2 oldest belts)

2. WBA-WBC-IBF Unification. (WBO may be apart of it NOW, depending on who the champion is. But as recently as last year it was unnecessary to be considered undisputed)

3. A #1 vs #2 matchup between the 2 recognized top fighters in the division. (Usually taken care of by the 2nd equation, but not always. And they have fought before without belts to create lineage as well, so this may be the ACTUAL way it is done of the 3, with the 2nd one being a byproduct of this one. Problem is, who decides who the top 2 are?)

Point is, none of those 3 situations was present when Pacquiao faced Sanchez. Neither was considered #1 or #2 (Pacquiao was rated #1 by Ring after the fight with Sanchez, behind Ayala who was the Ring champion). And it wasn't for total unification. So even if he had won, he wouldn't have been lineal.

[Boom_Boom]

So Ayala was lineal, which was my original question in the first place.

[kg0208]

So Ayala was lineal, which was my original question in the first place.

No, he was Ring. Not lineal....

[kg0208]

could you expalne the diffrence?

My P4P list places more emphasis on perceived ability and H2H. My ATG list is based mostly on accomplishments/resume. All of it is factored in on both lists, but certain things are emphasized more on each.

[Illmatic]

No, he was Ring. Not lineal....

most of the time, ring re-establishes lineal b.c of the #1 v #2 matchup that is required for it. Except for some notable exceptions like Vitali and Hopkins at light heavy.

[bxrfan]

Alexis Arguello hasn't been mentioned yet.

[Drew101]

Add Leo Gamez, too. He was never lineal, but he did win alphabet titles in four weight classes.

[Illmatic]

Add Leo Gamez, too. He was never lineal, but he did win alphabet titles in four weight classes.

you sure know your low weight classes

[pipe wrenched]

Good thread Illmatic!! I've enjoyed reading this one. Learning a thing or two is refreshing from reading people arguing lately.

[Illmatic]

Good thread Illmatic!! I've enjoyed reading this one. Learning a thing or two is refreshing from reading people arguing lately.

thanks man, its a hell of an accomplishment. Theres got to be more people!

[Illmatic]

you lazy fucks! :fire....

[brownpimp88]

vinny paziena is a 3 division champ i belive

[Brickhaus]

Getting old school here, but I believe Terry McGovern is missing as well.

[Vantage_West]

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This was a news on ESB a few months back.. I think some on asterions list arent lineal or either in between weightswhats wrpng with inbetween wieghts"

[Illmatic]

vinny paziena is a 3 division champ i belive

2 divisions.

[Illmatic]

Getting old school here, but I believe Terry McGovern is missing as well.
i believe he only won at bantamweight and featherweight.

[chimba]

whats wrpng with inbetween wieghts"

The problem with in between weights are it is not as good as the original eight due to the fact taht its a bit watered down whereas an original weight you will be fighting guys you give or take 10 pounds to.

A good example is PAc if he was a featherweight would fight guys from 122 to 130. Right now PAc aint fighting Chris John just because he is at 130 and if he moves to lightweight then even less of a possibility.\

A guy like DLH hes gotten titles at every in between weights of course his achievements will look great but those are the guys he should be fighting anyway. Only Fitzimmons and Armstrong have done it

[Drew101]

Interesting case might be Emile Griffith, who won lineal, undisputed titles at WW and MW, but also fought for the "World jr. Middleweight" title (recognized only in Australia). Wonder if that would count...

[Dr Gonzo]

jeff fenech

[Illmatic]

A good example is PAc

pac is a good example for every fucking thing in the world of a phillipino

[Illmatic]

Interesting case might be Emile Griffith, who won lineal, undisputed titles at WW and MW, but also fought for the "World jr. Middleweight" title (recognized only in Australia). Wonder if that would count...

i added him. I count it b/c he was a pimp gangster in the ring.

[Illmatic]

come on guys....i know there are a ton of people who have no boxing knowledge in here, but to all the real fans, there has to be more