View Full Version : Wlad's jab is the best I ever saw for a heavyweight.
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:14 PM
OK, b4 u all jump on me let me explain u this, I never saw a HW with a powerfull crisp precise jab like his, Ali, Holmes etc all had that great jab but none of them had that huge power behind it, fuck those who say Brewster was damaged goods, ur fuckin excuses dont mean shit .
mike464
07-07-2007, 06:17 PM
OK, b4 u all jump on me let me explain u this, I never saw a HW with a powerfull crisp precise jab like his, Ali, Holmes etc all had that great jab but none of them had that huge power behind it, fuck those who say Brewster was damaged goods, ur fuckin excuses dont mean shit .I hope you're joking
doom bull
07-07-2007, 06:18 PM
His jab sucks. I could take at least one of them without losing conciousness.
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:19 PM
His jab sucks. I could take at least one of them without losing conciousness.
:lol:
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:20 PM
I hope you're joking
look here, gimmi an analys that prove me wrong and we will discuss, go find some footage of oldies and show it here so we can talk together, I have some at home and watched it over the years, that jab is killing man
Smith
07-07-2007, 06:20 PM
He does have a very good jab, but don't get carried away.
Sundance
07-07-2007, 06:23 PM
Massive reach and power, plus he flicks at will and has that deadly right hand waiting like a scorpion sting. Manny has molded him into an awesome fighter.
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:24 PM
He does have a very good jab, but don't get carried away.
I'm serious man, I've watched some oldies with my friend yesterday and we talked about alis jab and how great it was, wlad's jab is way stronger man and very elusive too
doom bull
07-07-2007, 06:25 PM
It's at least the best jab out there today and given his size it is the perfect way to fight. Even Teddy Atlas couldn't find fault in it.
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:25 PM
His jab is very good, but not better than Holmes, or Liston for that matter. Lewis's is up there as well, at least as good.
I know man I know what u mean but those guys didnt had the power he has in it, and its as good everywhere else (jab) except wlad as that huge power behind it
Muchmoore
07-07-2007, 06:27 PM
Larry Holmes would have something to say about that ;)
Watch Ali before exile.
K_Ologist
07-07-2007, 06:28 PM
His jab sucks. I could take at least one of them without losing conciousness.
I'm not going to jump in this middle of this mess, but that shit was funny. :happy
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:28 PM
Larry Holmes would have something to say about that ;)
Watch Ali before exile.
did, his jab is awsome but dont have that huge power behind it,
Chief_Second
07-07-2007, 06:29 PM
foremans jab in his comeback was better. wlads jab looked awkward.
RightCross
07-07-2007, 06:29 PM
Holmes had the best jab I ever witnessed, much faster than wlads and I would guess they have about the same reach even with wlads height advantage.
Wlad currently has the best jab in the hw division.
brooklyn1550
07-07-2007, 06:29 PM
did, his jab is awsome but dont have that huge power behind it,
He had great speed and unbelievable snap to it though...and he would leave it out to prevent himself from getting hit with right hands.
nervousxtian
07-07-2007, 06:31 PM
Holmes as Wlad are #1 and #2 for HW jabs.
Wlad's jab is mighty impressive.. he controlled that fight with the jab.. and did damage.. and busted up Brewsters face with it..
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:32 PM
Liston had more power in his jab than even Wlad. Holmes had a snapping powerful jab as well(he even knocked a guy down or out with it). Lewis obviously also had the reach and power as well. I don't see where you get off saying they didn't have the power, especially Liston.
ill show u let me searche on youtube, liston a good power behind it considering he wasnt realy big, just check how lamons face is busted upp and how his head goes back when hes hit, it takes a strong jab to do that beleive me and wlad as the most powerful one I have ever seen
Muchmoore
07-07-2007, 06:33 PM
did, his jab is awsome but dont have that huge power behind it,
Holmes jab wasnt quite as powerful, but it was a good bit faster. Wlad paws with his jab a lot, Holmes always snapped it. Wlads jab is very good but not the best of all time.
Are you people fucking stupid?
Ali's was great? Yes. However, was it an all round package? No. I lacked power. Holmes had a fanastic, dominating jab, but it wasn't an offensive weapon, it was to keep people away. Louis's was great, but because he was so good as an all round puncher, he didn't use it to dominate anywhere near as much as Klitschko does.
The only heavyweight I think has a better ALL ROUND jab, is Sonny Liston. Fast, powerful and is used to dominate offence and help defence.
Is Klitschko's the fastest? No. The most powerful? No. The most accurate? No. But you would be very hard pressed to find anyone who has a better all round jab. Lewis didn't, Ali certainly didn't, Louis didn't, Holmes didn't and so on.
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:33 PM
Holmes as Wlad are #1 and #2 for HW jabs.
Wlad's jab is mighty impressive.. he controlled that fight with the jab.. and did damage.. and busted up Brewsters face with it..
wlad control fights with his left only( especialy the jab) that is something we dont see too often
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:34 PM
He busted up Lamon's face so you're prepared to say he has the best, most powerful jab ever? Do some more research.
your not getting the point, look at his last few fights, he dominates opponent with it, jeez I didnt say he was better then those guys I said he had a better jab.
Rock0052
07-07-2007, 06:35 PM
The fact that Wlad's jab is in the same league as those guys is pretty damn impressive, regardless of who you'd rank first. In that elite group of Holmes, Liston, and Wlad, there's really not a wrong answer- just what kind of dominating jab you'd prefer.
Edit: I'd rank it Wlad, Liston, Holmes, but I wouldn't have a problem with someone who ranked them differently.
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:37 PM
Yes, but his jab isn't better than Liston's. IMO it isn't better than Holmes either.
OK I give you for Liston they proly on same ground but for the rest I think its clear that its better.
and maybe Holmes but still man, he has a hell ofa jab
Butch Coolidge
07-07-2007, 06:38 PM
I think Lewis' jab was more powerful but he could not find the same kind of angles Klitschko does with his jab. Besides, Lewis, everybody else except for maybe Liston comes up short.
doom bull
07-07-2007, 06:39 PM
I'm just glad to see the jab getting it's respect. I'm not the biggest Teddy Atlas fan in the world but I share his frustration when a tall guy or any guy for that matter abandons the jab. A good jab is the easiest way to control and win a fight.
Chief_Second
07-07-2007, 06:40 PM
ill show u let me searche on youtube, liston a good power behind it considering he wasnt realy big, just check how lamons face is busted upp and how his head goes back when hes hit, it takes a strong jab to do that beleive me and wlad as the most powerful one I have ever seen
study some fights and then make a decision.
wlad maybe in the top hw 10 jabbers...
holmes
foreman
liston
ali
louis
lewis
witherspoon
morrison
tunney
wladdy
Better than Holmes' and Liston's ?
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:43 PM
Better than Holmes' and Liston's ?
on same ground.
doom bull
07-07-2007, 06:47 PM
Hey Doom Bull...This is just for you, okay??
My question to you is...if, IF Wlad still had his ori\ginal trainer, b4 Seward, would he have won??:conf
It's debatable. Wlad used to fight balls out and either got the KO or was KO'd. He fights soooo much better now. It may be boring but it serves him well. Who knows what would have happened if he was just throwing bombs the whole time.
Rock0052
07-07-2007, 06:47 PM
I'm just glad to see the jab getting it's respect. I'm not the biggest Teddy Atlas fan in the world but I share his frustration when a tall guy or any guy for that matter abandons the jab. A good jab is the easiest way to control and win a fight.
I agree with you. In fact, that's my main problem with Rahman- there's not much you can do about a glass chin in and of itself....but it wouldn't hurt if he used his orangutang-like reach to jab the hell out of people to stop them from getting in range to knock him out, either.
on same ground.
So then it's not the best. Maybe the thread title should be changed.
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:59 PM
So then it's not the best. Maybe the thread title should be changed.
well I think its better so I let it this way:D
sues2nd
07-07-2007, 09:25 PM
OK, b4 u all jump on me let me explain u this, I never saw a HW with a powerfull crisp precise jab like his, Ali, Holmes etc all had that great jab but none of them had that huge power behind it, fuck those who say Brewster was damaged goods, ur fuckin excuses dont mean shit .
You realize that James "Buster" Douglas actually KO'd someone with a jab before?
Not sure which fight (maybe someone else on here might know), but they were talking with him about it on FSN before one of their fights (he was the guest commentator).
Go watch any of his fights pre-Holyfield and you will be SHOCKED at how powerful and perfectly timed it was. Its honestly the most underrated punch in history....everyone when thinking of Buster think about either the Tyson upset or the Holyfield ALL YOU CAN EAT body & KO. But seriously, it was devastating.
In terms of Speed Ali had the best one.
In terms of overall jab....it is easily Holmes.
In terms of power its Douglas.
Too bad he will always be remembered for the upset or the jaba the hutt training regimine he went through before the Evander fight.
Wlad's is fast, powerful and it sets up everything he does so well....but the best EVER.....you need to do your homework on that one.
Fighting Weight
07-07-2007, 09:33 PM
Wlad's is fast, powerful and it sets up everything he does so well....but the best EVER.....you need to do your homework on that one.
WALDO has the best jab in HW boxing at the moment but best ever? Fuck no.
Several fighters that I can think of were better jabbers, and did better jobs of keeping better comp at bay that WALDO does. Let's not forget the 2 devastating losses to Sanders and Brewster (we'll forgive him the Purrity fight)
No way would that shit ever have happened to Ali, Louis, Lewis, Holmes (ESPECIALLY HOLMES!) Douglas, Liston, hell even Bruno I'd say has a better jab than WALDO in that he kept Lewis at bay for a few rounds with it.
Butch Coolidge
07-07-2007, 09:40 PM
WALDO has the best jab in HW boxing at the moment but best ever? Fuck no.
Several fighters that I can think of were better jabbers, and did better jobs of keeping better comp at bay that WALDO does. Let's not forget the 2 devastating losses to Sanders and Brewster (we'll forgive him the Purrity fight)
No way would that shit ever have happened to Ali, Louis, Lewis, Holmes (ESPECIALLY HOLMES!) Douglas, Liston, hell even Bruno I'd say has a better jab than WALDO in that he kept Lewis at bay for a few rounds with it.
1. Out jabbing a fast southpaw is unlikely but he Klicko used his jab effectively against elusive Chris Byrd. I'd have to see the other legendary jabbers do something similar e.g. Ali jab the hell out of Jimmy Young ( I don't think that happend ).
2. Klicko was jabbing the hell out of Brewster and Purrity until running out of steam.
3. Klicko can work his jab from angles and vary the speed on it. Some powerful jabber types never had that kind of finesse. Strong punch, yes, but could not land it as consistently.
rekcutnevets
07-07-2007, 09:47 PM
In terms of speed, Ali is correct.
Holmes' is fast, and is a bit of a punch too.
In terms of power, I would go with Foreman.
Liston is still on the power side, but seems to have a little more snap.
Buster Douglas does have an exceptional jab, I don't think it is the most powerful ever. It was good in every way, though. I still believe Louis' was better, in the same regard. Power, speed, snap.
I do feel like Wlad's jab has the most resemblance to Louis' of any big man I have seen. It isn't the same as Louis', only similar in balance of speed, power, and snap.
sues2nd
07-07-2007, 09:52 PM
1. Out jabbing a fast southpaw is unlikely but he Klicko used his jab effectively against elusive Chris Byrd. I'd have to see the other legendary jabbers do something similar e.g. Ali jab the hell out of Jimmy Young ( I don't think that happend ).
2. Klicko was jabbing the hell out of Brewster and Purrity until running out of steam.
3. Klicko can work his jab from angles and vary the speed on it. Some powerful jabber types never had that kind of finesse. Strong punch, yes, but could not land it as consistently.
First Byrd wasnt trying to be elusive in that fight...if you remember, his game plan was to muscle his way in and fight Wlad there (one of the worst ideas I have ever seen).
Second, ANYONE CAN JAB THE HELL OUT OF BREWSTER.....that is like beating a one legged man in a race....then bragging about it. Brewster is one of the least elusive fighters in the division.
Third, I think Wlad's jab is unbelievable. Its fast, strong and sets everything up perfectly. BUT, Holmes (who I believe, as most do, had the best jab ever) and Ali's were better overall jabs. And as I said....Douglas' was much more powerful.
None of the above taking anything away from how potent a weapon Wlad's jab is....just putting it all in better perspective.
Butch Coolidge
07-07-2007, 09:53 PM
Klicko has a tendency to sort of hypnotize opponents with his jab. His left hand is in constant motion, like a swaying cobra, always finding an angle for his opponent to worry about always changing speeds. I think he probably can hit harder with it than what he usually does but I think his personal philosophy of jabbing is more like a tactical weapon than heavy artillery.
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