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WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:17 PM
Wladimir didn't win any rematches. I bet the haters are pissed.
Now let's hear about how Brewster is shot now... even though this fight was a mirror image of their last fight outside of Wladimir not falling apart from within. Wladimir hit Brewster at will in their first fight too. He was so damn relaxed that he could have beat on Lamon for 12 full rounds and then did a lap around the arena. Unfortunately Lamon couldn't take it for more than 6.
Buddy is a good hearted trainer, and there needs to be more trainers willing to protect their fighters. Also, Brewster wanted the fight to be stopped, you could tell. He was agreeing with Buddy.
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:18 PM
totaly agree, wlad will get critisized anyway by haters saying Brewster was shot,
Goose
07-07-2007, 06:18 PM
Now let's hear about how Brewster is shot now...
brewster was shot :D
WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:22 PM
If Brewster would have landed one of those left hook haymakers and dropped Wladimir, people would be saying that "Brewster is the best in the division, he's back!!!"... but since Wladimir was able to avoid all of Brewster attempts, and keep that sustained pounding that he gave him in the first fight, Lamon is shot. It never ceases to amaze me.
HandsOfGold
07-07-2007, 06:23 PM
Well I predicted Wlad within 6 and knew there was no way in hell Lamon would be able to beat this version of Wlad.
This was a necessary step in Wlad's "development" as Heavyweight Champion and I think he will be more confident than ever.
There is no Heavyweight in the world that can beat him.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:24 PM
Well I predicted Wlad within 6 and knew there was no way in hell Lamon would be able to beat this version of Wlad.
This was a necessary step in Wlad's "development" as Heavyweight Champion and I think he will be more confident than ever.
There is no Heavyweight in the world that can beat him.
Exactly, and if Wladimir would have never rematched Brewster everyone would be saying that Brewster would have beat him again and that Wlad avoided a rematch.
chliJs
07-07-2007, 06:25 PM
If Brewster would have landed one of those left hook haymakers and dropped Wladimir, people would be saying that "Brewster is the best in the division, he's back!!!"... but since Wladimir was able to avoid all of Brewster attempts, and keep that sustained pounding that he gave him in the first fight, Lamon is shot. It never ceases to amaze me.
wlad really impressed me tonight. i was always a supporter (and without a doubt he's the true champion in hw today), but this performance was incredible. it's a shame there is no good opposition for wladimir to prove his skills nowadays. brewster wasn't shot or anything, he was just totally outclassed by a very intelligent fighting wlad.
Wladimir didn't win any rematches. I bet the haters are pissed.
Now let's hear about how Brewster is shot now... even though this fight was a mirror image of their last fight outside of Wladimir not falling apart from within. Wladimir hit Brewster at will in their first fight too. He was so damn relaxed that he could have beat on Lamon for 12 full rounds and then did a lap around the arena. Unfortunately Lamon couldn't take it for more than 6.
Buddy is a good hearted trainer, and there needs to be more trainers willing to protect their fighters. Also, Brewster wanted the fight to be stopped, you could tell. He was agreeing with Buddy.
Dude really how in the fuck are you going to claim all this Glory for Wald after he beat a guy thats been out of the ring for more then a year due to a serious Eye injury,if Brewster had , had a tune up that showed he was a 100% this fight would have been more liget , but the fact that he lost his last fight and was partially blind because of that loss ... this win is nothing special.
hitman_hatton1
07-07-2007, 06:27 PM
i still say beating sanders would have meant more.
because he was completely crushed in that fight with no answers to sanders power and speed. :roll:
congrats on beating brewster.
but he should have done it first time really. :yep
ThePlugInBabies
07-07-2007, 06:27 PM
If Brewster would have landed one of those left hook haymakers and dropped Wladimir, people would be saying that "Brewster is the best in the division, he's back!!!"... but since Wladimir was able to avoid all of Brewster attempts, and keep that sustained pounding that he gave him in the first fight, Lamon is shot. It never ceases to amaze me.
get over it, it happens to most fighters. you wanna try being a calzaghe fan after he beat lacy, they had it worse than anyone.
wlad won, be happy. ignore the uneducated bitchers.
Chief_Second
07-07-2007, 06:28 PM
klit beat a guy not worthy of a shot and passed it, but it's what the fans wanted.
sometimes what the fans demand is wrong.
klit looked good and it helped his legacy. haters still have loads on wladdy so don't go thinking it's a battle against the haters.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:29 PM
Dude really how in the fuck are you going to claim all this Glory for Wald after he beat a guy thats been out of the ring for more then a year due to a serious Eye injury,if Brewster had , had a tune up that showed he was a 100% this fight would have been more liget , but the fact that he lost his last fight and was partially blind because of that loss ... this win is nothing special.
You are trying to say that Brewster is partially blind?:rofl :rofl
Brewster was coming off of over a year layoff before they fought the first time too. What's your point? Brewster had an eye injury that HAS HEALED 100% and has been cleared 100% by several physicians to box again with no greater risk than anyone else. He doesn't have any vision problems and even admitted after the fight that his eye didn't bother him at all.
Keep on hating... hater.
KillerInstinct
07-07-2007, 06:31 PM
Wlad haters are funny, they don't even use logic sense anymore. They think that any regular joe could KO Wlad. Hell, I read a post I think made by swedeone that said Brewster kicked Wlad's ass in the first fight! What a remark. Tonights fight, like you said Widdow, was a repeat of the first fight, except Wlad didn't gas out. Why the haters can not understand this..I have no idea.
Max Molyneux
07-07-2007, 06:31 PM
And nobody can ever say, that Widdow Maker Is not over biased for Wlad.:deal
WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:31 PM
i still say beating sanders would have meant more.
because he was completely crushed in that fight with no answers to sanders power and speed. :roll:
congrats on beating brewster.
but he should have done it first time really. :yep
Sanders wouldn't give Wlad a rematch, and stated that much openly. He knews that he wasn't in Wlad's league and wasn't going to try and dodge that bullet again. Wladimir wasn't going to caught off guard a second time around.
Anyways, that is history from over 4 years ago and has no place in today's discussion.
barneyrub
07-07-2007, 06:33 PM
Wladimir didn't win any rematches. I bet the haters are pissed.
Now let's hear about how Brewster is shot now... even though this fight was a mirror image of their last fight outside of Wladimir not falling apart from within. Wladimir hit Brewster at will in their first fight too. He was so damn relaxed that he could have beat on Lamon for 12 full rounds and then did a lap around the arena. Unfortunately Lamon couldn't take it for more than 6.
Buddy is a good hearted trainer, and there needs to be more trainers willing to protect their fighters. Also, Brewster wanted the fight to be stopped, you could tell. He was agreeing with Buddy.Ive been saying this fight was ridiculous matchmaking for a world title since it was announced. Any neautral observer could see that a guy coming off a year out with a serious injury and a loss would psychologically be shot, damaged goods. Just like Bruno having that same injury going into the 2nd Tyson fght. Thats the reason th efight was made, Steward knew how the psycholgy of that injury would play a part and that his wasnt a risk at all.
McGirt said to Brewster after one round he wasnt going to let him get hit. That shows that the injury was a factor to them, all they worked on was keeping the shell defence and not bothering abut throwing anything. It was a retirement fund for Brewster, you could tell as he entered the ring he wasnt there for a fight.
For Wlad it will be a confidence builder, plus he boxed very well so he is ready to challenge the winner of chagaev Ibragamov next to reclaim the lineage off of his loss to Brewster which Ibragamov currently holds.
hitman_hatton1
07-07-2007, 06:34 PM
Sanders wouldn't give Wlad a rematch, and stated that much openly. He knews that he wasn't in Wlad's league and wasn't going to try and dodge that bullet again. Wladimir wasn't going to caught off guard a second time around.
Anyways, that is history from over 4 years ago and has no place in today's discussion.
i've heard sanders call him out recently.
it does have a place in this discussion. because the first post mentioned that nobody can now complain about wlad not winning any of his rematches. :yep
time to grow some and get into negotiations about a sanders fight. :deal
Sundance
07-07-2007, 06:35 PM
Sanders wouldn't give Wlad a rematch, and stated that much openly. He knews that he wasn't in Wlad's league and wasn't going to try and dodge that bullet again. Wladimir wasn't going to caught off guard a second time around.
Anyways, that is history from over 4 years ago and has no place in today's discussion.
Sanders is an active fighter, so maybe not so outrageous. I would pay to see it.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:36 PM
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ajohnfp
07-07-2007, 06:36 PM
Credit to Wlad. Good win.
But I still can't stand the cunt. Better than his brother though.
Agree 100% widdow.
Btw Im stealing your avatar.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:38 PM
i've heard sanders call him out recently.
it does have a place in this discussion. because the first post mentioned that nobody can now complain about wlad not winning any of his rematches. :yep
time to grow some and get into negotiations about a sanders fight. :deal
Yea...:rofl
Sanders turned down Wladimir until he retired after getting beat by Vitali... now he wants some money so he wants to come back and fight Wladimir? Wlad just completely dominated an in shape, and motivated Brewster who was just considered one of the best heavyweights in the world up until last year.... and is getting no credit for it. So, what sort of credit does he get for beating the shit out of a Sanders who is over 40 years old?
Brewster was out of the ring for just as long or longer in their last fight too you retard do your research. Fact is Wlad dominated him and destroyed him. Have fun hating on the most dominant champion of our era though. :hi:
you fucking Jr flip was he out whit a eyes injury ,, I didn't think so ..
so how much sparing do you think he did during his time off to heal his eye you lame brain fuck . Im pretty sure he would have been a different fighter from then not to say that he would have won .. but for you guy to be jumping up and down that wald beat up a blind guy is pathetic.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:39 PM
Agree 100% widdow.
Btw Im stealing your avatar.
:fire:fire STAY OFF!!!:fire :fire
MrMagic
07-07-2007, 06:39 PM
You were right Widdow.
Big props to Wladimir
Mundo
07-07-2007, 06:40 PM
Wladimir didn't win any rematches. I bet the haters are pissed.
Now let's hear about how Brewster is shot now... even though this fight was a mirror image of their last fight outside of Wladimir not falling apart from within. Wladimir hit Brewster at will in their first fight too. He was so damn relaxed that he could have beat on Lamon for 12 full rounds and then did a lap around the arena. Unfortunately Lamon couldn't take it for more than 6.
Buddy is a good hearted trainer, and there needs to be more trainers willing to protect their fighters. Also, Brewster wanted the fight to be stopped, you could tell. He was agreeing with Buddy. GOOOOOOOOOOOO WLAD!
(this is kirk, forgot to logout when i got on mundos computer, but i wanted to say... damn man, after all weve been through as wlad fans, its good to get some payback! way to go WLAD!!!!)
hitman_hatton1
07-07-2007, 06:41 PM
Yea...:rofl
Sanders turned down Wladimir until he retired after getting beat by Vitali... now he wants some money so he wants to come back and fight Wladimir? Wlad just completely dominated an in shape, and motivated Brewster who was just considered one of the best heavyweights in the world up until last year.... and is getting no credit for it. So, what sort of credit does he get for beating the shit out of a Sanders who is over 40 years old?
it was the manner of that defeat that makes it relevant.
sanders is a puncher and we all know that's one thing ya don't lose.
a few of us on here are giving wlad credit.
it doesn't change the fact that the division is a wasteland at the moment and nobody cares a whole lot until these guys unify. :yep
:fire:fire STAY OFF!!!:fire :fire
Too late.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:41 PM
GOOOOOOOOOOOO WLAD!
(this is kirk, forgot to logout when i got on mundos computer, but i wanted to say... damn man, after all weve been through as wlad fans, its good to get some payback! way to go WLAD!!!!)
:yep It was very refreshing. I can now move forward with my life.:lol:
DoumB
07-07-2007, 06:42 PM
I can't see it till later, did Wlad clinch much?? I haven't heard any complaints yet:patsch
no, I was amaze, a total of 6-7 clinch in the fight i Think
:yep It was very refreshing. I can now move forward with my life.:lol:
Im so happy for you Widdow! *Tear*.
Okay maybe not the tear but yes us as Wlad fans have dealt with so many retards its incredible to finally shut them up.
EpsilonAxis
07-07-2007, 06:46 PM
Wladimir didn't win any rematches. I bet the haters are pissed.
Now let's hear about how Brewster is shot now... even though this fight was a mirror image of their last fight outside of Wladimir not falling apart from within. Wladimir hit Brewster at will in their first fight too. He was so damn relaxed that he could have beat on Lamon for 12 full rounds and then did a lap around the arena. Unfortunately Lamon couldn't take it for more than 6.
Buddy is a good hearted trainer, and there needs to be more trainers willing to protect their fighters. Also, Brewster wanted the fight to be stopped, you could tell. He was agreeing with Buddy.
:good
I think it was good of Brewster to accept the stoppage. I fighter needs to know when he's beat. There's no reason to take more damage just for the sake of going the full 12.
Sundance
07-07-2007, 06:46 PM
Yea...:rofl
Sanders turned down Wladimir until he retired after getting beat by Vitali... now he wants some money so he wants to come back and fight Wladimir? Wlad just completely dominated an in shape, and motivated Brewster who was just considered one of the best heavyweights in the world up until last year.... and is getting no credit for it. So, what sort of credit does he get for beating the shit out of a Sanders who is over 40 years old?
Wait till they wheel out Holyfield or McCall for Wlad. Sanders is a few years younger than them.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:47 PM
Too late.
Damnit, I thought I was reading my own response to myself.:lol:
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Mundo
07-07-2007, 06:47 PM
Im so happy for you Widdow! *Tear*.
Okay maybe not the tear but yes us as Wlad fans have dealt with so many retards its incredible to finally shut them up.:good
WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:50 PM
:good
I think it was good of Brewster to accept the stoppage. I fighter needs to know when he's beat. There's no reason to take more damage just for the sake of going the full 12.
I agree... also better for Brewster's image to go out like that. No need to see him stretched out on the canvas like Brock. Brewster can walk away knowing that he didn't go down.
Damnit, I thought I was reading my own response to myself.:lol:
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WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:53 PM
Thanks. Im gonna use the red one if you dont mind?
I don't mind, it was made to order for me. I have kept it for quite some time. You are worthy to carry it on.:lol:
Shotgun
07-07-2007, 06:53 PM
Wlad looked like a machine tonight. He was toying with Brewster, showing good lateral movement, absolutely couldn't miss with the jab, high workrate without showing any signs of tiring, and didn't show even a brief moment of doubt. It seems like Wlad's confidence and the mental aspect of his game have finally caught up to his physical tools. Big credit to both Wladimir and Manny Steward
The haters can't even complain about him clinching either. Great night for Wlad, his team, and his fans
I don't mind, it was made to order for me. I have kept it for quite some time. You are worthy to carry it on.:lol:
Haha Thanks :good
nervousxtian
07-07-2007, 06:55 PM
Brewster isn't shot, he just was never really that good.
He got lucky in the first fight, anyone who thinks differently is just a Klitschko hater.
He's a B-/C+ level fighter, who's overacheived at times. He's seems like a decent guy, and he's made a good career out of boxing, hopefully he hangs them up after this and takes care of his family before he get's hurt.
BOGART
07-07-2007, 06:55 PM
This will go down as a good win for Wlad. He really put a beating on Brewster and would have most likely stopped him on his own within the next two rounds.
I get the feeling this wasn't the same Brewster that was in the ring with Wlad 3 years ago. The same desire didn't seem to be there. Probably didn't matter because Wlad was going to win this fight. The fight looked very simialr to the first one but this time Wlad was more relaxed, controlled, and confidant. Therefor avoiding another meltdown.
If Brewster continues than that would also shed light on Wlad's win. For now it looks like a good win for Wlad but against a Brewster who doesn't have quite the fire that he use to.
As for Brewster being damaged pyshcologically. Its very possible he's not the same fighter mentally after coming off an injury and a loss. I don't know but let's not forget that Wlad most likely had some pyschological issues to deal of his own with getting back in the ring with a guy who owns a k.o over him. So who really knows what was going through both fighter's minds. But if we speculate one guy was dealing with mental issues in this fight lets not forget it could have been both guys had their own demons coming in.
Heavyrighthand
07-07-2007, 06:55 PM
If Brewster would have landed one of those left hook haymakers and dropped Wladimir, people would be saying that "Brewster is the best in the division, he's back!!!"... but since Wladimir was able to avoid all of Brewster attempts, and keep that sustained pounding that he gave him in the first fight, Lamon is shot. It never ceases to amaze me.
:good
Funny how some of these guys can twist any situation to promote their view.
Brewster fighting in his usual style and tactics today, just as much as he ever was. He even said the eye didn't give him any trouble.
Brewster's problem was not being shot, eye trouble, or being beaten up too many times.
Brewster's only problem was Wladimir Klit being such a dominant fighter. :good
Zakman
07-07-2007, 06:55 PM
Wladimir didn't win any rematches. I bet the haters are pissed.
Now let's hear about how Brewster is shot now... even though this fight was a mirror image of their last fight outside of Wladimir not falling apart from within. Wladimir hit Brewster at will in their first fight too. .
You are absolutely right about all of this and I kept telling them in boxing you don't come off a year layoff, injury, and several wars and then blow away a fighter who had IMPROVED in the meantime!!!
They weren't listenining:lol:
WiDDoW_MaKeR
07-07-2007, 06:55 PM
Wlad looked like a machine tonight. He was toying with Brewster, showing good lateral movement, absolutely couldn't miss with the jab, high workrate without showing any signs of tiring, and didn't show even a brief moment of doubt. It seems like Wlad's confidence and the mental aspect of his game have finally caught up to his physical tools. Big credit to both Wladimir and Manny Steward
The haters can't even complain about him clinching either. Great night for Wlad, his team, and his fans
Great post.
Also, this win will only make him that much better. Finally getting one of the men who beat him to accept a rematch, and getting his revenge. That has to put him at ease.
Should be pretty funny to read through the posts of the last week. I remember some guy claiming Brewster got Klitschkos number based on the first fight. :yep
paulfv
07-07-2007, 07:00 PM
Brewster isn't shot, he just was never really that good.
He got lucky in the first fight, anyone who thinks differently is just a Klitschko hater.
He's a B-/C+ level fighter, who's overacheived at times. He's seems like a decent guy, and he's made a good career out of boxing, hopefully he hangs them up after this and takes care of his family before he get's hurt.
Nervous, you nailed it. Nice job. The mistakes Wlad made in the first fight he wasn't going to make tonight. Once that was clear, it was only a matter of time.
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07-07-2007, 07:00 PM
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paulfv
07-07-2007, 07:03 PM
Go get Sanders. Purity's retired, so there's only one more bit of business for Wlad to take care of and then he can concentrate on solidifying his legacy. There's only one HW he won't fight - big bro.
That K Bros dream of being champs at the same time? It's looking a lot healthier now, provided Vitali can hold his body together long enough to climb through the ropes to batter either Peter or Maskaev.
dasbas327
07-07-2007, 07:07 PM
I predicted Vlad would KO Lamon in eight after a tremendous beating, and that is essentially what we saw; Brewster would have been knocked out in the next round if it hadn't been stopped by the corner. It is true that Brewster said ok to the stoppage, and it was clear to me from the beginning he wasn't there to fight. Prior to the fight, and immediately afterward he kept talking about providing for his wife and four kids which showed me he was there for a paycheck only. I think it was much the same with Castillo in his fight with Hatton, although the commentators said prior to that that Castillo's money from the fight was already gone in advance which I believe contributed to his not getting up after the knockdown.
Essentially, Brewster didn't appear to be there to fight. He has always taken a lot of punishment in order to land his own shots, but to me it didn't look like he was even trying in this one. He was there for a payday, and I don't think we'll hear from him again.
Rock0052
07-07-2007, 07:09 PM
Should be pretty funny to read through the posts of the last week. I remember some guy claiming Brewster got Klitschkos number based on the first fight. :yep
The only way Brewster would've found Klitschko's number today is if it was written on the ceiling. Fortunately, Mcgirt didn't let it get that far.
Brand
07-07-2007, 07:09 PM
I was really impressed with Wlad's stamina and workrate. he didn't look tired after 6 rounds unlike the first fight
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07-07-2007, 07:14 PM
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Rudolph
07-07-2007, 07:19 PM
Should be pretty funny to read through the posts of the last week. I remember some guy claiming Brewster got Klitschkos number based on the first fight. :yep
i said that but it was simply nervous before the fight
Shamrock
07-07-2007, 07:20 PM
Does this vindicate the Klitschko's camps claim of drugs last time? :think
Amsterdam
07-07-2007, 07:20 PM
Wladimir did what he had to do, he looked great tonight with very little holding. I predicted an easy night for Wlad and that is what happened.
Can't see how anyone can discredit the win, everyone already knew what Brewster was anyways, a B level fighter with a horrible defence and a punch, that isn't going to work.
This was a good fight to clear some things up, not that knowledgable fans didn't already know these exact things, notice the many predictions that were on or near target.
I agree with WiddowMaker on this one this time around.
Mendoza
07-07-2007, 07:22 PM
Wladimir didn't win any rematches. I bet the haters are pissed.
Now let's hear about how Brewster is shot now... even though this fight was a mirror image of their last fight outside of Wladimir not falling apart from within. Wladimir hit Brewster at will in their first fight too. He was so damn relaxed that he could have beat on Lamon for 12 full rounds and then did a lap around the arena. Unfortunately Lamon couldn't take it for more than 6.
Buddy is a good hearted trainer, and there needs to be more trainers willing to protect their fighters. Also, Brewster wanted the fight to be stopped, you could tell. He was agreeing with Buddy.
Vald Tried to re-match Sanders too. Maybe he'll knock him out later.
C Money
07-07-2007, 07:30 PM
Wlad definitely took another step forward towards his goal of becoming the unquestioned champion.:yep :yep :yep
Did/does Brewster look shot?? Yes, he does but I don't hold that against Wladimir in any way. I stated all a long that this being Brewster's first fight back from a detached retina was a bad/suspicious idea. I think mcgirts comments, and the decision to switch trainers from Jesse Reid(who would likely have not stopped the fight at that point) pretty much solidifys the idea that Brewster in essence took this payday but has lost the will to continue fighting the way he does. Honestly, I don't blame Brewster either. His style and ability lends towards punishment and every human has or hits the limit. I'd rather see it end this way, than in blindness or tragedy. Brewster can hold his head up and live on to be the man and father his family needs. I certainly hope that he uses this purse wisely and I wish him well.
I've never questioned Wlad's skill or power, but did question his heart after the first Brewster fight. I must say he has the HEART to try and overcome his mistakes and that is VERY COMMENDABLE:good I truly believed that Peter would beat Wlad before they fought because Peter has real power and figured Wlad would fold in the face of adversity, and he DIDNT!! Instead he learned how to tie up and persevere. He has now shown the heart to face a man that KO'd him and was successful in proving he is the better fighter and has championship desire and will.
What wlad needs from here is unification!! Facing either the Chagaev vs Ibragimov winner or the Maskaev vs Peter winner is the next step,that would get him even closer to his goal of unification/undisputed CHAMPION. Fighting BOTH winners is necessary to achieve that status. All in all?? Hats off to him, and I hope he's willing to face and overcome the obstacles(political/financial) that will come in pursuit of that goal. Given the path he's walked the since brewster, there's no reason to doubt the sincerity of his intent:good IMO, unification is always good for boxing.
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