**** the B.S. Wlad is already undisputed!!

[teetop]

He has beaten everyone in the heavyweight division except chagaev,
ibragimov, and maskaev. But really, is there anyone who can say with
real conviction that he wouldn't beat those guys?

Wlad doesn't have the ring belt but he's the REAL champ, and every
real boxing fan knows it.

And if he's not, then tell me who is.

[Irish Steel]

they said in the ring that if he rematches with peter and wins, he will be the ring champ, i believe that was what was said.

[CASH_718]

He has beaten everyone in the heavyweight division except chagaev,
ibragimov, and maskaev. But really, is there anyone who can say with
real conviction that he wouldn't beat those guys?

Wlad doesn't have the ring belt but he's the REAL champ, and every
real boxing fan knows it.

And if he's not, then tell me who is.Another retarded post from teetop.:good

[Mrboogie23]

He has beaten everyone in the heavyweight division except chagaev,
ibragimov, and maskaev. But really, is there anyone who can say with
real conviction that he wouldn't beat those guys?

Wlad doesn't have the ring belt but he's the REAL champ, and every
real boxing fan knows it.

And if he's not, then tell me who is.


:patsch

[sandwichsurgeon]

It's one thing to be the best but it's another to prove it and use your talent to accomplish things, it doesn't matter how good he is unless another lineage is created there is no champ.

[doom bull]

This is true. I just hope he fights one more time before the year's end.

[doom bull]

i think he will.

His management said they wanted him to fight 3 times this year. Hell, with fights like these he could fight every month.

[rushman]

I dont dispute that Wlad is the best HW.

But to be officially undisputed then he has to unify.

Officially undisputed and unofficially undisputed are not the same things.

[Madison]

He has beaten everyone in the heavyweight division except chagaev,
ibragimov, and maskaev. But really, is there anyone who can say with
real conviction that he wouldn't beat those guys?

Wlad doesn't have the ring belt but he's the REAL champ, and every
real boxing fan knows it.

And if he's not, then tell me who is.

I've never understood why holding all three or four belts even matters. Who cares if someone has no belts or 10 belts, they're still the same fighter.

[Sweden]

We have to get away from the corrupted organisations, i.e. WBC, WBO, WBA and IBF. As long as we define the champ as the holder of those belts, we will never get a undisputed champ. Hopefully the Ring belt will gain more recognition. The Ring Magazine is into boxing, the other organisations are into money and will strip the champions of the belts justto make more money.

[sandwichsurgeon]

All we need is one guy to unify then we have a lineage so the crappy belts will still be pissed on but we will have a champ, everybody wins (except the crooks).

[Drexl]

He has beaten everyone in the heavyweight division except chagaev, ibragimov, and maskaev.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

So, what you are saying is... he beat everybody except the other champs? :patsch

That is EXACTLY the reason that he ISN'T undisputed!!!!!!

[tragicliston]

Hey, I'm a huge Wlad fan, but sorry, he ain'e the champ and he ain't undisputed. And to his credit, he himself admits this.

[achillesthegreat]

This is a ridiculous thread. Wlad is still just a titlist. The Chagaev/Ibrag winner is going to have more clout, especially considering they will be undefeated. It would be a what have you done for me lately sort of thing.

Wlad will define himself as the best when he beats the WBO/WBA champ.

Just be happy law and order is returning to the heavyweight division. Wlad solidifies himself as a force and two of the belts will soon be unified. The WBC will soon stop changing hands.

[Drexl]

:lol::lol: For once we agree.

The world has come to an end my friend:yikes

We used to agree a lot in the past....
:roll:

I think we still do in a lot of ways, we just enjoy the banter. ;)

[Marquito_666]

I agree that the fight tonight doesn´t make Wlad the undisputed champ...I think most ppl do.

But don´t give me the crap that the winner Chagaev/Ibragimov would be a more worthy candidate of that title.

Neither of them are dry behind their ears since baptism in the HW division...so I´d say the division is still pretty open, but Klitschko stands out with his record.

[0-1]

I'd say Wlad is the best, but he isn't THE champ; unfortunately he's only A champ. He's probably had the best recent opponents (can't say defences!), but apart from possibly Peter those opponents were hardly enough to set the gold standard.

[skier47]

I didn't mean it in that sense.

Klitschko cannot call himself the best by right till he unifies.
Anybody who says he can is deluding themselves.

Its like ALi vs Frazier 2

Ali beat him but by that point that man was beaten by somebody else so he had to fight him to prove he is the best.

By this time that succession has passed down to another fighter so Wlad has to beat him to call himself the best.

Better yet if that man and you know who he is losses to Chagaev
he has to beat Ruslan to call himself the best.

Its simple. I don't see what the fuck the problem is.

This has got to be the most retarded post ever. By your logic the
great, dominant heavyweight champion Larry Holmes can't be
regarded as the best heavyweight of his time because he never
unified the title and that was when there were only two belts
to win; the WBA and WBC. Get a grip people. As Jim Lampley
tried to make painfully clear tonight. The belts mean nothing.
Ring performances do and Wlad stands head and shoulders over
every other heavyweight fighter when it comes to accomplishments
in the squared circle. He outboxes the K.O. machine Peter, K.O's
the brilliant boxer Byrd, outboxes and outpunches the number 1
and undefeated Calvin Brock, K.O's 6ft. 6inch Austin without
firing a single right hand, spanks his conquerer Brewster making
him quit like a bitch and people are still arguing about who the
best heavyweight is? I know it's fashionable to bash and discredit
big, bad Wlad but this is getting embarassing. Wlad is the man at
heavyweight. Deal with it!!!!

[Drexl]

This has got to be the most retarded post ever. By your logic the
great, dominant heavyweight champion Larry Holmes can't be
regarded as the best heavyweight of his time because he never
unified the title and that was when there were only two belts
to win; the WBA and WBC. Get a grip people. As Jim Lampley
tried to make painfully clear tonight. The belts mean nothing.
Ring performances do and Wlad stands head and shoulders over
every other heavyweight fighter when it comes to accomplishments
in the squared circle. He outboxes the K.O. machine Peter, K.O's
the brilliant boxer Byrd, outboxes and outpunches the number 1
and undefeated Calvin Brock, K.O's 6ft. 6inch Austin without
firing a single right hand, spanks his conquerer Brewster making
him quit like a bitch and people are still arguing about who the
best heavyweight is? I know it's fashionable to bash and discredit
big, bad Wlad but this is getting embarassing. Wlad is the man at
heavyweight. Deal with it!!!!

He's the man, but he's NOT undisputed champ.

Most people recognize him as the best (including me), but 20 years from now our opinions won't mean jack if Wlad doesn't have the achievements to back up our claims that he was the best.

He will go down as just another belt-holder and be forgotten if he doesn't achieve something tangible.

[barneyrub]

He has beaten everyone in the heavyweight division except chagaev,
ibragimov, and maskaev. But really, is there anyone who can say with
real conviction that he wouldn't beat those guys?

Wlad doesn't have the ring belt but he's the REAL champ, and every
real boxing fan knows it.

And if he's not, then tell me who is.the winner of ibragamov and chagaev will hold a lineage of victory over wlad from wlads loss to Brewster. Thats what he needs, not the belts they hold.

[barneyrub]

This has got to be the most retarded post ever. By your logic the
great, dominant heavyweight champion Larry Holmes can't be
regarded as the best heavyweight of his time because he never
unified the title and that was when there were only two belts
to win; the WBA and WBC. Get a grip people. As Jim Lampley
tried to make painfully clear tonight. The belts mean nothing.
Ring performances do and Wlad stands head and shoulders over
every other heavyweight fighter when it comes to accomplishments
in the squared circle. He outboxes the K.O. machine Peter, K.O's
the brilliant boxer Byrd, outboxes and outpunches the number 1
and undefeated Calvin Brock, K.O's 6ft. 6inch Austin without
firing a single right hand, spanks his conquerer Brewster making
him quit like a bitch and people are still arguing about who the
best heavyweight is? I know it's fashionable to bash and discredit
big, bad Wlad but this is getting embarassing. Wlad is the man at
heavyweight. Deal with it!!!!Beating a guy coming off a draw, Austin, a shot guy coming off a loss and severe injury from over a year ago in Brewster, a nobody in Brock and a guy he beat before and who had gift decisions and bad performances in recent times in Byrd, that doesnt make great accomplishments. He didnt so much outbox peter as grab and clamp him all fight.

[Drexl]

Undisputed = WBC + WBA + IBF

Thread closed. :good

[skier47]

Beating a guy coming off a draw, Austin, a shot guy coming off a loss and severe injury from over a year ago in Brewster, a nobody in Brock and a guy he beat before and who had gift decisions and bad performances in recent times in Byrd, that doesnt make great accomplishments. He didnt so much outbox peter as grab and clamp him all fight.

You can't be serious!!! "A guy coming off a draw'? Dude the guy Austin got a draw with is Sultan I. You know Sultan? The guy who
won a title from the power-puncher, charismatic Shannon Briggs.
"A nobody in Brock." You mean undefeated Brock and the best
American heavyweight at the time AND number one ranked heavyweight
contender, "a guy he beat before in Byrd", you do realize that Byrd
like Jimmy Young of Ali's time was a master boxer of the highest order,
Klitshko's victory over him was by no means foreordained. Yeah,
I'll concede his victory over Peter was a little sloppy but as Wlad
clinched too much Peter hit to the back of the head too much.
Wlad Klitshko, especially off his victory tonight over one of his
conquerors, Lamon Brewster has EARNED the right to be called
the MAN at heavyweight.

[teetop]

This has got to be the most retarded post ever. By your logic the
great, dominant heavyweight champion Larry Holmes can't be
regarded as the best heavyweight of his time because he never
unified the title and that was when there were only two belts
to win; the WBA and WBC. Get a grip people. As Jim Lampley
tried to make painfully clear tonight. The belts mean nothing.
Ring performances do and Wlad stands head and shoulders over
every other heavyweight fighter when it comes to accomplishments
in the squared circle. He outboxes the K.O. machine Peter, K.O's
the brilliant boxer Byrd, outboxes and outpunches the number 1
and undefeated Calvin Brock, K.O's 6ft. 6inch Austin without
firing a single right hand, spanks his conquerer Brewster making
him quit like a bitch and people are still arguing about who the
best heavyweight is? I know it's fashionable to bash and discredit
big, bad Wlad but this is getting embarassing. Wla
d is the man at
heavyweight. Deal with it!!!!

Thank you for being the only intelligent poster to respond to my thread.
As these idiots post Wlad is the best, but he's not the champ? WTF!?
As long as one fighter has to hold all 4 belts at the same time we will never have an undiputed champ, because of mandatories fighters will never be able to keep their belts while they await another fighter to
defend their belts and so on.
But I have to share this board with a bunch of children and trolls.
So I get one intelligent response out of like 40 posts.
Anyway, as I said before Wlad is already the UNDISPUTED champ.
Final!!

[Drexl]

Anyway, as I said before Wlad is already the UNDISPUTED champ.

Err.... no he isn't.

I'm pretty sure Maskaev, Ibragimov and Chagaev dispute it. Therefore he is NOT undisputed.

Also, take a look at what WLAD HIMSELF says on the subject in any of his recent interviews. He says himself he is A champ, not THE champ.

:deal

[Cachibatches]

There is a reason we actually hold the fights.

Besides, no one knows how good Chag or Sultan really is at this point.