Wlad already better than Ali?

[KobeIsGod]

just kidding :rofl

[The Hitman]

Thank fuck for that, couldn't be bothered with a flame war right now :smoke

[Decy]

Shit i just spilt my JD & Coke reading that:lol:

[Sundance]

just kidding :rofl


Not yet :D

[DoumB]

jesus christ that wasnt funny lol

[Grabonator]

just kidding :rofl

That were Stewards words! He said Wlad is as good as Ali but his punch is much harder! he is right about the punch part but hes no ali by no means!!

[Malph]

Vlad has his issues, but he would be dangerous to any heavyweight champ who ever lived. He has the offense to beat any heavyweight champ who ever laced them up. He could also be beaten by many of the past heavyweight champs.

[Stinky gloves]

He isnt worse for sure.

[ripcity]

As far as acomplishments go it isn't even close. Ali was a 3 time champ in a very goo eara. If they fought prime vs prime. I would pick Ali but it would be closer than you might think.

[Sundance]

As far as acomplishments go it isn't even close. Ali was a 3 time champ in a very goo eara. If they fought prime vs prime. I would pick Ali but it would be closer than you might think.


Bear in mind that at 31 Wlad is still improving while Ali was reckoned by some to be past his best when he beat Foreman aged 30. I doubt Wlad would struggle to put away Frazier, Ken Norton or Joe Bugner. Never know, I suppose. Tonights Wlad's night so he deserves to be talked up.

[skier47]

That were Stewards words! He said Wlad is as good as Ali but his punch is much harder! he is right about the punch part but hes no ali by no means!!

Funny though. As I watched Wlad dominate the hapless Brewster
with his penetrating, accurate jab and avoid Brewter's wild haymakers
with his elusive lateral movement and occasional clinches I saw shades
of prime Ali. Ali was the greatest of all time, of course, but Wlad's
working on some talent.

[aharris19]

Lets decide if he is better than his brother first

[EL-MATADOR]

That's not funny

[JIM KELLY]

Shit i just spilt my JD & Coke reading that:lol:

hahahha.

[Suge Green]

jesus christ that wasnt funny lol


Haven't seen you in a while..

[CASH_718]

Not yet :D
:vonnecunt

[Feiti]

Ali is by far a greater boxer as far as achievements, historical significance and fame go. I´d say he was significantly more skilled too. Head to head, a prime Wlad would still have a good chance against a prime Ali. Ali never had a monster punch, but might well manage to wear down Wlad and KO him when he´s fatigued. Ali might well win on points too. I could also see Wlad using his superior size and strength to win a decision.

[David_TheMan]

The fact that Ali could take a hell of a punch, couple that with his hand speed, movement, and jab, add in a splash of Wlad having no chin, I see Ali beating Wlad sensless and TKO/KO him under 9 rounds.

[RUSKULL]

Wladimir doesn't have the name opponents to ever beat Ali's legacy but head to head I'd pick Wlad to KO Ali.

[RUSKULL]

The fact that Ali could take a hell of a punch, couple that with his hand speed, movement, and jab, add in a splash of Wlad having no chin, I see Ali beating Wlad sensless and TKO/KO him under 9 rounds.


Ali was a slow starter & that's suicide against Wlad.

[C.J.Rock]

Ali would play with Wlad like a cat with a mouse, then when he got bored he'd knock him out

[C.J.Rock]

Wladimir doesn't have the name opponents to ever beat Ali's legacy but head to head I'd pick Wlad to KO Ali.

ROFLMAO youre not serious????
Ali in his prime could beat the 2 Klitschko's at the same time
:thumbsup

[MAG1965]

yeah you were joking for sure.

[McGrain]

Who ranks Wlad behind Floyd Patterson?

[unclepaulie]

Bear in mind that at 31 Wlad is still improving while Ali was reckoned by some to be past his best when he beat Foreman aged 30. I doubt Wlad would struggle to put away Frazier, Ken Norton or Joe Bugner. Never know, I suppose. Tonights Wlad's night so he deserves to be talked up.

I agree that Wlad is still showing signs of improvement, but I seriously think he would struggle to get to round 6 against a prime Foreman.

[HauntingTheHoly]

ROFLMAO youre not serious????
Ali in his prime could beat the 2 Klitschko's at the same time
:thumbsup

Hmmm......nah. I think he'd beat either of them, but if they ganged up on him, I'm quite sure they'd win.

Wait, were you serious? loli.

[JET]

You're talking about Laila right?

[Stoic]

Who ranks Wlad behind Floyd Patterson?
Unfortunately, Floyd would fall early.

[tysonlewisbook]

Klitschko could beat Ali by controlling him with his jab and controlling range and distance forcing Ali to have to take risks to get inside. I really don't see how Ali could beat Klitschko, either Klitschko for that matter. (Frazier would have ended up looking like Brewster or Peter.) Considering Ali and Klitschko at their very best. It just seems time passed Ali who was the greatest of his time. 1966 is not the cutoff that no HWT champ could ever excede or be superior to what Ali was in 1966.
Holmes, Lewis, Tyson, The Klitschkos are the evolution and have raised the high standard of what Ali set.

[RumbleinTJungle]

Wlad is a good heavyweight in a weak era of heavyweights, but there is no way he would beat a prime Ali, even considering the size difference, he is simply not quick enough, Ali rarely got hit before he got forced from the scene and I simply cannot see how Wlad would get to him, he doesnt have the speed or footwork, only thing he has is size.

[JET]

Klitschko could beat Ali by controlling him with his jab and controlling range and distance forcing Ali to have to take risks to get inside. I really don't see how Ali could beat Klitschko, either Klitschko for that matter. (Frazier would have ended up looking like Brewster or Peter.) Considering Ali and Klitschko at their very best. It just seems time passed Ali who was the greatest of his time. 1966 is not the cutoff that no HWT champ could ever excede or be superior to what Ali was in 1966.
Holmes, Lewis, Tyson, The Klitschkos are the evolution and have raised the high standard of what Ali set.

:shock: Lennox was able to tag Vitali to the point of ripping his eye out! A much improved Vlad got floored from slow, clubbing shots from Sam Peter! You really don't see how Ali could beat either Klitschko?:? Perhaps you should go watch some of Ali's fights then.

[tysonlewisbook]

Klitschkos are totally different animals physically and pyschologically than anything Ali faced. It's not like the Klitschkos would stand there like zombies and let Ali pummel them. THey would attack Ali with an extreme ruthlessness. Consider it this way: If Ali never had his bike stolen, that era of Frazier, Quarry, Norton, Shavers, Foreman, etc would have been considered a dull bland era because Ali's personality is what livened it all up. In effect, Ali's showmanship made his competition to appear better and more exciting than they actually were. Frazier, Foreman, Norton actually had somewhat bland laid back public personalities, like Brewster, Brock, Ibragimov, Thompson, Williams. Ali is why that era was so entertaining.

[David_TheMan]

Klitschkos are totally different animals physically and pyschologically than anything Ali faced. It's not like the Klitschkos would stand there like zombies and let Ali pummel them. THey would attack Ali with an extreme ruthlessness. Consider it this way: If Ali never had his bike stolen, that era of Frazier, Quarry, Norton, Shavers, Foreman, etc would have been considered a dull bland era because Ali's personality is what livened it all up. In effect, Ali's showmanship made his competition to appear better and more exciting than they actually were. Frazier, Foreman, Norton actually had somewhat bland laid back public personalities, like Brewster, Brock, Ibragimov, Thompson, Williams. Ali is why that era was so entertaining.


You mean Wlad would attack Ali the same way he ruthlessly and relentlessly attacked Sultan? Give me a fuckin break.

[JET]

Klitschkos are totally different animals physically and pyschologically than anything Ali faced. It's not like the Klitschkos would stand there like zombies and let Ali pummel them. THey would attack Ali with an extreme ruthlessness. Consider it this way: If Ali never had his bike stolen, that era of Frazier, Quarry, Norton, Shavers, Foreman, etc would have been considered a dull bland era because Ali's personality is what livened it all up. In effect, Ali's showmanship made his competition to appear better and more exciting than they actually were. Frazier, Foreman, Norton actually had somewhat bland laid back public personalities, like Brewster, Brock, Ibragimov, Thompson, Williams. Ali is why that era was so entertaining.

You honestly think that Vlad would be able to go through what Frazier went through in Manilla? Ali and Frazier fought to the point of knocking on death's door. On the other hand, Vlad fought to the point of exhaustion in the first Brewster fight due to "too much vaseline on his legs":rofl. I give Vitali props for taking his beating against Lennox like a man, but aside from that, his comp doesn't compare to Ali's. Even in that bout Vitali's eye was being pin-point shot by a Lennox who by that time had significantly slower handspeed than a prime Ali. If Vitali fought a prime Ali, both of his eyes would've been shut and his career would've never been the same:deal. Oh yeah, and a fighter's showmanship doesn't make his opponents seem much better than they really are, just ask Roy Jones Jr. He had tons of showmanship and made his opponents look alot worse than they actually were. Also, young Foreman had the aura of a young Tyson, so I don't see how you figure Ali was the only personality in the bunch. Ali was just the loudest:lol:. Finally, Ali was not THE reason why that era was so entertaining, it's not like he was the only champion of the era or the only one fighting in competitive bouts. If Ali wasn't there I think Foreman would've owned it until maybe Larry Holmes came along. So, I say to you: Stop reading make believe stories about these guys and actually watch their fights before making extremely off-base assesments. The footage is available!!!:good

[MemoCan]

Ali was a slow starter & that's suicide against Wlad.


Dude, I am fucking Wlad fan, but you've got to be shitting me tiffany cufflinks, when you could remotely assume or suggest that Wladmir is faster starter than Ali. :huh You don't need an aneshtesitiac to put your to sleep when your in Pain, Just watch the first couple of rounds of Wlad's fight, that will do the job.

[El Borracho]

Wlad needs about 10-15 more successful title defenses to even have this conversation

[Suge Green]

Stinking up the joint, boring the people, putting them to sleep, holding...turning a fight into a slowdance.

...just some of the ways WLAD is already better than ALI.

[Fighting Weight]

Bear in mind that at 31 Wlad is still improving while Ali was reckoned by some to be past his best when he beat Foreman aged 30. I doubt Wlad would struggle to put away Frazier, Ken Norton or Joe Bugner. Never know, I suppose. Tonights Wlad's night so he deserves to be talked up.

Absolute fucking nonsense. Ali was 32 when he beat Foreman for a start;

I'm sure WALDO would have no problem stopping Bugner or Norton or Frazier. Would Ali have struggled with Purrity, Brewster or Sanders (who the fuck are these guys?) in his prime? I fucking doubt it. Keep it realistic please.

[markusmaar]

It would be an interesting fight to see to be sure. Realistically, Ali would beat Wlad, but most likely by decision. A prime Wlad (who may still be in the future) would have a chance at beating Ali. It really is impossible to compare punching power between different eras, but I have to believe that Wlad has one of the most powerful potential punches of all time, and he's got KO power in both hands. Yes, his chin and stamina have been tested, but they haven't been too bad since he's started what is presumably his "Prime".

Alas, Wlad will never be the showman that Ali was -- that Charisma and pre-fight psychology was truly something!

[drvooh]

That were Stewards words! He said Wlad is as good as Ali but his punch is much harder! he is right about the punch part but hes no ali by no means!! How much, if any, do you think size plays with skill??
In other words, Ali is better, but doesn't hit as hard...IF Ali were 6'7 and Wlad was 6;2 = would / could the roles be reversed??

[JET]

How much, if any, do you think size plays with skill??
In other words, Ali is better, but doesn't hit as hard...IF Ali were 6'7 and Wlad was 6;2 = would / could the roles be reversed??

If Ali were 6'7" 240lbs he would've gone undefeated.:deal

[ko_bros]

I'd say Wlad has a chance of winning the fight. However Ali has a greater chance. He'd probably would decision him, I doubt that Ali would ko wlad. With Wlad's defence, its really hard to catch him with a clean shot. Manny did his thing. But Ali is too fast for Wlad so I don't know how he'd fight him. So if they were to be put together in the ring I'd like to pick Wlad, but my mind says the opposite thing.

[RightCross]

I'd say Wlad has a chance of winning the fight. However Ali has a greater chance. He'd probably would decision him, I doubt that Ali would ko wlad. With Wlad's defence, its really hard to catch him with a clean shot. Manny did his thing. But Ali is too fast for Wlad so I don't know how he'd fight him. So if they were to be put together in the ring I'd like to pick Wlad, but my mind says the opposite thing.


Corrie sanders hands were too fast for Wlad. Ali would hit Wlad at will. In this fight Ali would stop wlad on cuts or accumulation.

[Addie]

A thread like this could only ever exist in Manny Steward's gym or on the General Forum.

[ko_bros]

Corrie sanders hands were too fast for Wlad. Ali would hit Wlad at will. In this fight Ali would stop wlad on cuts or accumulation.
Wlad is not the same Wlad that fought Corrie in 2003. He's way better now with Manny guiding him. So I would really depend on that statement.

[41fever]

:lol:

[jasedikio]

Man...Thought I was gonna see a massacre in here

[ko_bros]

Man...Thought I was gonna see a massacre in here
Haha me too. :D

[KobeIsGod]

just kidding :rofl

this thread is money :yep

and yes...it's official

1-Wlad
2-Ali
3-Joe Louis

[whodunit]

Lennox Lewis > Ali >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corrie Sanders > Wladimir

[Jbuz]

Ali would beat both Klits pretty comfortably. There is no chance they'd knock him out, and a fighter with such quick and fluent movement, as well as lightning fast hands (like nothing they've ever even come close to seeing) isn't getting outboxed by robotic, lumbering homosexuals. Don't forget that Ali was 6"3, Dundee said 6"4, and had an enormous reach (83"). Ali on points against Vitali, and is a big chance of stopping Wlad.

[ron u.k.]

He isnt worse for sure.so he isn't worse than ali?

[ron u.k.]

Klitschkos are totally different animals physically and pyschologically than anything Ali faced. It's not like the Klitschkos would stand there like zombies and let Ali pummel them. THey would attack Ali with an extreme ruthlessness. Consider it this way: If Ali never had his bike stolen, that era of Frazier, Quarry, Norton, Shavers, Foreman, etc would have been considered a dull bland era because Ali's personality is what livened it all up. In effect, Ali's showmanship made his competition to appear better and more exciting than they actually were. Frazier, Foreman, Norton actually had somewhat bland laid back public personalities, like Brewster, Brock, Ibragimov, Thompson, Williams. Ali is why that era was so entertaining.another revisionist clueless noob.:patsch

[Unforgiven]

Wlad klitschko is one of the worst heavyweight champions ever.
Muhammad Ali is one of the best.

The heavyweights today are SHIT.

A guy like Valuev is in the top 10 ! :lol:

[Brendan]

I'd say the new improved Stewardised Wlad would beat Ali.

[RUSKULL]

Ali would beat both Klits pretty comfortably. There is no chance they'd knock him out, and a fighter with such quick and fluent movement, as well as lightning fast hands (like nothing they've ever even come close to seeing) isn't getting outboxed by robotic, lumbering homosexuals. Don't forget that Ali was 6"3, Dundee said 6"4, and had an enormous reach (83"). Ali on points against Vitali, and is a big chance of stopping Wlad.

Lumbering homosexuals? Your bias is showing like a slip from under your skirt.

[Monticello]

LMAO, I admit I got a good chuckle.

[Drunkenboxer]

Nice one!

[pugilist_boyd]

this is a stupid thought you can possibly fit wlad in top 20 or 25 ,ali is top 5 definitly-wlad kinda reminds me of carnera