Your favorite fighters worst nightmare at his weightclass...

[kirk]

I will list a few fighters who i think would beat my favorite fighters down worse then anyone else just about, and would be the worst possible matchups for them....

Fernando Vargas - Tommy Hearns
Edison Miranda - since he spent most of his time at middle, ill make him a middleweight for this... and for this one im not sure exactly who would be his worse nightmare... Perhaps it would be pavlik?
Ricardo Mayorga - Sugar Ray Leanord... would not only outbox him and make him look crazy silly.... would also hurt him..

[Pantera2000]

When Pavlik moves up to SMW it will be Miranda.
At 168lbs, and revenge on his mind, Pantera is going to knock him into the 3rd row. :happy

[kirk]

When Pavlik moves up to SMW it will be Miranda.
At 168lbs, and revenge on his mind, Pantera is going to knock him into the 3rd row. :happy lol i hope so bud

[Maxmomer]

Mosley - Hearns

[MagnificentMatt]

Mosley - Hearns

Good pick, but ill say Mosley - Any pure boxer... :think

[MrMagic]

Cotto - PBF

[gus21]

[Floyd worst nightmare will be CHAVEZ SR

[MrMagic]

When Pavlik moves up to SMW it will be Miranda.
At 168lbs, and revenge on his mind, Pantera is going to knock him into the 3rd row. :happy
Pavlik would walk him down again, with relative ease :lol:

[MrMagic]

Brewster - Foreman :yikes

[Decebal]

Lucian's worst nightmare is Mikkel.

[Decebal]

When Pavlik moves up to SMW it will be Miranda.
At 168lbs, and revenge on his mind, Pantera is going to knock him into the 3rd row. :happy

I didn't know your favourite fighter was Pavlik!:shock:

[Relentless]

antonio margarito is all wrong for cotto.

[McGrain]

Charley Burley - Thomas Hearns

Juan Manuel Marquez - Sandy Saddler

James J Braddock - Muhammad Ali

Sonny Liston - Muhammad Ali

Joe Louis - Gene Tunney

Bernard Hopkins - Roy Jones

Ruslan Chagaev - Rocky Marciano.

Lennox Lewis - Sonny Liston.

Carlos Monzon - I guess it would be Roy Jones again, though it would need to be the 168 version boiled down. And Monzon could still get him.

[jimmie]

Marco Antonio Barrera - Sandy Saddler
Shane Mosley - Thomas Hearns
Roy Jones Jr - Bob Foster

[Maxmomer]

Good pick, but ill say Mosley - Any pure boxer... :think

I think Mosley could overcome a good, pure boxer like, say PBF (not now, but in his prime) but an excellent boxer with fast hands, a good jab and a reach/height advantage is Mosley's worst nightmare. Add to that Hearns also had amazing accuracy and was arguably the hardest hitting Welter of all time. Yeah, Mosley doesn't stand a chance, and I don't say that about Mosley often.

[196osh]

Roy Jones Jr - Bob Foster/Michael Spinks

Muhhamed Ali - Lennox Lewis

[McGrain]

Roy Jones Jr - Bob Foster

Good shout.

[RICH]

Pbf - Ttito Trinidad

[jimmie]

I think Mosley could overcome a good, pure boxer like, say PBF (not now, but in his prime) but an excellent boxer with fast hands, a good jab and a reach/height advantage is Mosley's worst nightmare. Add to that Hearns also had amazing accuracy and was arguably the hardest hitting Welter of all time. Yeah, Mosley doesn't stand a chance, and I don't say that about Mosley often.

Mosley could punch in his prime and everyone knows Hearns was alittle weight drained at 147 and his chin was never Hagler esq. So Mosley would have a chance.

[scott is cool]

Calzaghe - Nobody*
Haye - Tyson

*I'm not saying that Calzaghe can't be beaten, I just don't think Joe has problems of any type of fighter really, because he has everything in his game.

[McGrain]

Calzaghe - Nobody*.

Calzaghe would struggle versus anyone who is faster than him for a start. So Jones.

[scott is cool]

Calzaghe would struggle versus anyone who is faster than him for a start. So Jones.

How do you know? He has never fought anybody faster than him.

[McGrain]

How do you know? He has never fought anybody faster than him.

Any fighter who's most important asset is outstripped by his opponent is in deep, deep shit.

[Amsterdam]

Joe Calzaghe - Roy Jones Jr.

Pernell Whitaker - Roberto Duran

Mike Tyson - Ike Ibeabuchi

Kostya Tszyu - Aaron Pryor

Joan Guzman - Alexis Arguello

[Bomber]

Mayweather - Hearns at 147- 154. Hearns wont let floyd get away with it. Back up Floyd spends 12 rounds being smacked.

Ive said this for 2 years.

[196osh]

:lol: @ both of these...goodness the Brits are worthless!:patsch

And to answer the thread, Tyson - Foreman

Why is Tyson being Hayes worst nightmare funny?

[brooklyn1550]

Roberto Duran - Thomas Hearns
Marco Antonio Barrera - Alexis Arguello
Joe Calzaghe - Roy Jones Jr
Roy Jones Jr - Michael Spinks

[Hitman_Hatton]

I think Paul Williams could be everyones worst nightmare in the current WW division.

[brooklyn1550]

Mike Tyson - Ike Ibeabuchi

How do you see this fight going?

[196osh]

Both are mediocre, I'm sorry I possess the capacity to analyze fighters and fights accurately and objectively without referring to others as "close minded dumb fuck[s]" who disagree with me. Please drop dead, thanks in advance:good

Ahh, your that hater. :D

[stevebhoy87]

robinson- don't really think anyone beats him at 147, probably have to give burley or hearns best chance tough at 160 probably monzon

duran- at 135 would give whitaker best chance further up hearns definetly

Tyson- ali or liston

RJJ foster or spinks

Mayweather well at around 130/35 i would say duran and chavez further up i'd fancy a few people to beat him, robinson and hearns espicially

[Shake]

My favorite fighter is Roberto Duran.

His worst nightmare would be Pernell Whitaker. While I believe Duran to be the greatest lightweight of all-time, Whitaker, head-to-head, has tremendous stylistic advantages over him. There's a chance Duran could outwork him to a decision, and the judges in this fight would be of huge influence (what they value more, etc) but there's a bigger chance Whitaker would thrive of what Duran would bring -- tremendous amounts of pressure.

[196osh]

LOL kessler is a bum who was hurt to the body by joe who has no power, Kelly stops him easy...but you're easily impressed by hype, so this debate is futile

The argument that x was hurt by y is bull. Kelly was nearly KTFO by Taylor and was in much more trouble than Kessler was against Joe.

Taylor couldnt put a dent in Ouma or Spinks. :good

[KobeIsGod]

Favorite fighter: Wladimir Klitschko
Nightmare: 1960s Ali

Hated fighter: Sam Peter
Nightmare: A ref who doesn't allow rabbit punching :yep

[sues2nd]

Whitaker - Leonard (WW)
Hopkins - Hearns (MW), Foster (LHW)
Jones - Leonard (MW), Foster (LHW)
Calzaghe - Jones (SMW)

[196osh]

Whitaker - Leonard (WW)
Hopkins - Hearns (MW), Foster (LHW)
Jones - Leonard (MW), Foster (LHW)
Calzaghe - Jones (SMW)

Leonard for Jones at MW?

[MrMagic]

LOL kessler is a bum who was hurt to the body by joe who has no power, Kelly stops him easy...but you're easily impressed by hype, so this debate is futile

Man fuck you, say that to his face.. you fucking punk:lol:

[MrMagic]

LOL kessler is a bum who was hurt to the body by joe who has no power, Kelly stops him easy...but you're easily impressed by hype, so this debate is futile
Ok lets see here:

Joe's KO percentage: 72%


Here's two guys that knocked down(and out in one case) your heroes:
Jimmy Young KD Big George: 32% KO percentage, and he KD'd George.
Buster Douglas KTFO Tyson: 65% KO percentage, plus has been beaten a shitload of times :rofl


So Kessler was only hurt by a guy with 72% KO rate and no loses, yet.. he's a bum. Your logic goes out the window, bitch :deal

[eliqueiros]

Floyd's worst nightmare would be Sugar Ray Leonard. Someone faster than him who would pressure him up close, throw mad combos and hooks, outjab him, and an instinct for finishing.

[Toopretty]

Mayweather-Sweat pea, HEARNS!
Rafael Marquez-Wilfredo Gomez
Dawson-Bob Foster

[sues2nd]

Leonard for Jones at MW?

Well, I dont really think that, I favor Jones over just about every MW out there...ever. Save for maybe Hopkins (prime v prime) and Leonard.

Speed is close. Skills are comparable. He wouldnt stop Ray. Ray had the power to keep him honest. I think he could take a decision vs him.

It was a tough call. The original post says worst nightmare at his weight....I dont really think ANYONE would be a "worst nightmare" for Roy at any weight. Same with Hopkins and Whitaker. I just tried to find someone that I think would "stand a chance".

[196osh]

Well, I dont really think that, I favor Jones over just about every MW out there...ever. Save for maybe Hopkins (prime v prime) and Leonard.

Speed is close. Skills are comparable. He wouldnt stop Ray. Ray had the power to keep him honest. I think he could take a decision vs him.

It was a tough call. The original post says worst nightmare at his weight....I dont really think ANYONE would be a "worst nightmare" for Roy at any weight. Same with Hopkins and Whitaker. I just tried to find someone that I think would "stand a chance".

Yeah that is a fair enough man.

[thewoo]

It was a tough call. The original post says worst nightmare at his weight....I dont really think ANYONE would be a "worst nightmare" for Roy at any weight. Same with Hopkins and Whitaker. I just tried to find someone that I think would "stand a chance".

I think that Michael Moorer would be a nightmare for RJJ at light heavy.

[toffeejack]

For Calzaghe, Roy Jones as he's the only one who could maybe beat a prime Joe Calzaghe.

I would also say though that Calzaghe is also Roy Jones worst nightmare.

What a fight that would have been prime v prime.

[MrMagic]

A[Only registered and activated users can see links] another Euro with hurt feelings :lol:

168 is an uncompetitive division full of nobodies, Kessler is absolutely mediocre, and Calzaghe is marginally better. Hopkins at 43 wins a clear decision on April 19, and I laugh @ Euro's who had faith that these stiffs were the real deal :lol:

PS - KO % means diddly-shit when you're fighting the guy who scrubs the toilets at Parken Stadium :deal
You really don't know shit, I suppose you've never been in the ring yourself

[randeris]

A[Only registered and activated users can see links] another Euro with hurt feelings :lol:

168 is an uncompetitive division full of nobodies, Kessler is absolutely mediocre, and Calzaghe is marginally better. Hopkins at 43 wins a clear decision on April 19, and I laugh @ Euro's who had faith that these stiffs were the real deal :lol:

PS - KO % means diddly-shit when you're fighting the guy who scrubs the toilets at Parken Stadium :deal

I guess you are one of the guys who make Boxing 4 Real on youtube?

[Toopretty]

James Toney also beats Calzaghe H2H at 168. LIGHTS OUT.

[MrMagic]

If/when a 43 year old Hopkins outpoints Joe, will you have the stones to admit I was right about Joe/Mikkel/the entire 168 division and that you and most of ESB doesn't know thing one about boxing? Or will you just abandon the Calzaghe bandwagon quietly and hope nobody notices? :D
We will see about that, I personally think that Hopkins vs. Joe will look somewhat like Taylor vs. Hopkins II.
I won't seize to be a fan of Joe Calzaghe's, I already know he's the greatest 168lbs'er that ever lived :yep

[MrMagic]

So you'll honestly think this if he gets schooled by a 43 year old man? That's why I can't take Joe's fans seriously
Considering its @ LHW, and that Bernard never was a SMW.. yes:huh
But he's not been schooled by a 43 year old man, so why make things up?

[Toopretty]

The thing Joe does that is brilliant but also basic that now a days fighters fall for is he drops his guard leaving his chin exposed. The fighter hence automatically like an idiot goes head hunting and misses and he counters. He is baiting for the attack. Kessler had the offensive prowess to beat Calzaghe. But him being an idiot he fell for it and tried for the one punch knockout every round until he gased out. Fighters like Bhop and Toney and Jones know these little basic tricks of the trade, as they are MASTERS of them. With Calzaghe his body is very stationary. All you have to do is aim for his head a few times with a jab or feint. Sure he might get some counters off and that what you want. Let him feel confident that he has your timing and then aim for the chest with your right hand and you will probably catch him ducking. He is not that hard to find. You just have to know you are going to take a few slap shots to get off. Toney would DISECT him,so would Roy. Calzaghe never fought a SMART fighter that knows the game. You can just see Toney playing possom with Calzaghe and Calzaghe opening up in which he is open and Toney just clobbering the shit out of him with a right hand or tagging him in between or after his flurries of shots that have no effect on JT whatsoever. Calzaghe is just the best at 168 RIGHT NOW. He is not the best guy all around like the guys mentioned above.

[196osh]

I just don't see how IF he loses to Hop at 43, even at 175 (esp. considering Nard is small as fuck for a LHW), anyone could possibly think Joe would beat (for instance) RJJ, Toney, Hop, etc. @ 168 (which is what I assume you're implying by calling Joe the best SMW ever, unless you're talking strictly accomplishments within the division and not H2H...which still wouldn't be all that impressive to me considering the division during Joe's reign was complete shit IMO).

I'm sorry, I don't dislike Joe, I'm not a 'hater', but I'm just not impressed by him (or Kessler for that matter, who I feel is just hyped by Joe's fans in an attempt to make Joe's mediocre resume look better).

Who is a better fighter at 160 or 175 that Hopkins has beaten than Kessler at 168?

[raiderjay]

Foreman-Lennox Lewis
Pavilk-Hagler
Mickey Ward-Floyd Mayweather
Archie Moore-Bob Foster

[sues2nd]

I think that Michael Moorer would be a nightmare for RJJ at light heavy.

Agreed.

The only guys I see bothering Jones at LHW are Foster, Moorer and Spinks. It was a toss up...I went with Foster because of the power factor.

[196osh]

Winky @ 160 (even though Hop fought him past his best weight @ 170), and Tarver @ 175 (and yes, I know Tarver is no great by any stretch, but that should give you an idea as to where I rate Kessler....although now Tarver is a ruined fighter, but he wasn't going into the Hopkins fight)

Shit, I'm half-debating whether to include Glencoffe....I mean after all, Calzaghe had no problem fighting Kessler, but he sure ducked the shit out of the Road Warrior :lol:

Let us not chat about ducking Hopkins doubled his asking price from $3M to $6M in 01 or 02.

Winky's best is at 154, so beating a litteraly fat Winky at 170 is not that impressive.

Tarver you know what you are saying, yeah?

[196osh]

Yes. I'm sure you disagree; oh well. Let's see if Kessler ever does anything more than winning one of Joe's vacated SMW alpha-belts...

What has Tarver done apart from beat an old knakerd Roy and lose to: Eric Harding, Glen Johnson and slightly less old knakerd Roy Jones jr?

[randeris]

He's at no stylistic disadvantage whatsoever, you just hear something repeated so often on ESB that you jump on the bandwagon in an attempt to appear knowledgeable, when in reality you just buy into hype.

Kessler's only advantage is he's more fluid a boxer; he has no power, fragile hands, and no ability to adapt. He's also never faced a puncher and if hurt by Joe, he would fall to Kelly.

Joe's output leaves him far too open and against Pavlik that ='s naptime.

You honestly think that Kessler has no power? He doesn't have one punch power, but he must have some power, otherwise why does so many of his opponents quit? Eric Lucas, Manny Siaca.

Well in fact he does have one punch - punching power; Beyer KO'ed by one punch. Julio Cesar Green KO'ed by one body punch.

The thing is: He has great ring generalship, he is clever, he has enough of a punch to keep Pavliks respect. He has by far more power than Taylor, who if i remember correctly send Pavlik down. Kessler is accurate and Pavlik has no defence: Kessler Beats Pavlik!

[196osh]

His 2 wins over a shot RJJ, and his Glencoffe, & Montel wins alone put his resume above Mikkel's IMO, who's fought absolutely nobody of note besides Joe, whom he lost to.

Believe it or not, Tarver was a very highly touted amateur, he just never got that 'push' after turning pro since he was upset by Jirov in the Olympics.

We can go back and forth on this forever, but it's clear we won't agree so it's somewhat pointless

Yep fair enough. I also disagree about other stuff.

[KobeIsGod]

wladimir would have major issues against prime tyson, lewis, and ali. like getting knocked out :D

[randeris]

Keep underrating Kelly's chin because he stuck it out against Taylor and got caught flush with several power shots...and still got up before the count of 2! He sure didn't show any chin deficiency walking through whatever Miranda had to offer...

And where do you get that Kessler is clever from? He didn't show anything of the sort in the Calzaghe fight...and I don't even buy him having more power than Taylor (and this is coming from someone who thinks Taylor is a fraud!) - Kessler's power is nothing special, he has fragile hands, and he's never KO'd an elite fighter, period.

Kesslers power is not frigtening, no. But it is very good, his punches all has steam behind them. Kessler is a smart fighter, his corner sucks though. He has showed that in so many fights, keeping his cool and getting hit very few times against power punchers like Siaca and Andrade. Kesslers weakness might be against fast fighter like Calzaghe, but every single time he has fought a 'power puncher', he has barely got hit. Sure they are not in the class of Pavlik, but Pavlik is yet to face someone who is a ELITE BOXER, like Kessler. BTW: If Taylor could hit Pavlik flush with several power shots, who says Kessler can't?

[randeris]

The only reason he did was because Kelly got cute and stuck his chin out intentionally like a smartass...and he paid for it. I honestly think Miranda at 160 has more on his punches than Kessler at 168 and Kelly walked through them without flinching. I think Pavlik gets underrated because he looks 'plodding' while Kessler gets overrated because he looks 'fluid'...I really hope this matchup or Pavlik-Calzaghe gets made because I feel the majority of ESB will be forced to eat crow

I really hope for it too, but it won't happen as Pavlik and his promoters are smart enough to consider the risk/reward issue.

[randeris]

Miranda or pavlik vs Nigel Benn at SMW

How about Pacman v Tyson?

[randeris]

There'd be huge reward (monetary) in a Calzaghe fight though (provided of course he gets past Hopkins)...much moreso than anyone at 160 IMO

Do you think calzaghe would move back down to 168? I think Calzaghe would be a bit too tricky for Pavlik and would win a dec.

[MrMagic]

How about Pacman v Tyson?
What?:rofl

[Bomber]

No, I do something that you don't do; Watch fights. You on the other hand, just troll around on boxrec profiles.

Kessler is faster, physically stronger, better jab, better defense, better handspeed and punches better in combination along with better footwork. I am a huge Pavlik fan, but I know Calzaghe and Kessler are too much for him.

Dude, dont worry about that guy, he has absolutly no credibility.

[boxingbull]

Mayweather- Thomas Hearnes
Tyson- Tall fighters that use their height and jab well like lewis (i tihnk any era he would have had trouble) and klistchko brothers (same here)

These arent my fav fighers but these are my thoughts on what fighter can beat them:
Pavlik-Toney (prime 160ish)
Calzaghe-Roy Jones (prime)

[theunderdog]

pac's worst possible opponent at 130 is pbf.