Where Was The Usa Support?????

[Chief_Second]

i did not hear one "brewster, brewster, brewster" all evening????

no wonder brewster had nothing left, maybe if a us fan or two applied for a passport and backed their fighter things could have been exciting!!!

us brits rule in travelling in mass and backing our fighter!!!!!!!! remember bruno v tyson, lewis's fights, hamed, hatton..... i think brew felt very alone in germany tonight

[Andrey]

USA doesn't support fighters IN THEIR OWN HOME and you expect them to travel to Germany.

IMO we're expreriencing a Silver Era in heavyweight division, only the AMERICAN PRESENCE IS DEAD.



Andrey

[CASH_718]

Americans actually have lives we can't go to germany to watch boxing.

[sandwichsurgeon]

Americans actually have lives we can't go to germany to watch boxing.

But you can spend your time sitting on the internet to talk about it?

[RightCross]

Brewster is not one of those guys that ever had a wide following. His is less than dynamic on many occasions. FFS Kali Meehan got robbed against a very lackluster brewster. I was mildly supporting him in Chat and I was very disappointed in Brewster's lack of effort.

[Chief_Second]

Americans actually have lives we can't go to germany to watch boxing.

i've got a life, but a culteral trip for a redneck boxing fan can only do good!!!

to me, taking my family to vegas to watch hatton is what life is all about

[Chief_Second]

But you can spend your time sitting on the internet to talk about it?

very sharp brother

[sandwichsurgeon]

I don't think even his family was cheering for him.

[Sundance]

i did not hear one "brewster, brewster, brewster" all evening????

no wonder brewster had nothing left, maybe if a us fan or two applied for a passport and backed their fighter things could have been exciting!!!

us brits rule in travelling in mass and backing our fighter!!!!!!!! remember bruno v tyson, lewis's fights, hamed, hatton..... i think brew felt very alone in germany tonight

That's true, they don't travel. Brits have supported Lewis and the hapless Bruno in the States. And of course Hatton last week.

[eze]

There was one Brewster chant after the Klitschko chant.

And that god a big round of boos.


Anyway, why should this be based on a fighters country. It should be based on the fighter himself.


I am a proud american. But I was rooting 100% for Wlad.

[Chief_Second]

no wonder he lost..... boxing is losing it in a big way if nobody gets behind their countries heroes.

usa were happy to boast about brewster tko'ing wlad but was all of a sudden, 'disappointed' by his poor showing.

[nulty]

Americans leaving their couch to actually follow a fighter forget it. They'd rather moan about those who do. (what was up the chanting and the band it stopped me from enjoying the fight).

[Sloan299]

His lacking support wasn't a factor anyway. The crowd was on Klitschko's side, but they weren't particularly hostile towards Brewster either (before the stoppage that is, of course).

[Chief_Second]

His lacking support wasn't a factor anyway. The crowd was on Klitschko's side, but they weren't particularly hostile towards Brewster either (before the stoppage that is, of course).

i disagree - they were only tame because their golden boy was dominating.

yanks don't deserve good boxers. i hope europe rule the prize division until usa learn to support their boxers

[eze]

i disagree - they were only tame because their golden boy was dominating.

yanks don't deserve good boxers. i hope europe rule the prize division until usa learn to support their boxers


Fuck you for bashing Americans.


When did this sport become about supporting a fighter of your country and not about supporting a fighter you like.


You bash on Americans ( So this means you are bashing on me) For cheering for someone else.

Fuck you "mate".

[CASH_718]

But you can spend your time sitting on the internet to talk about it?Sitting on my computer............going to germany to watch Lamon Brewster fight. Yeah I see how it's the same.:patsch

[CASH_718]

i've got a life, but a culteral trip for a redneck boxing fan can only do good!!!

to me, taking my family to vegas to watch hatton is what life is all aboutYeah but Vegas is Vegas what the fuck am I gonna do in Germany???

[sandwichsurgeon]

Fuck you for bashing Americans.


When did this sport become about supporting a fighter of your country and not about supporting a fighter you like.


You bash on Americans ( So this means you are bashing on me) For cheering for someone else.

Fuck you "mate".

You have been here for 3 years and yet get stroppy because he said the fans lack passion, that aint shit compared to what is said about the Brits by some posters, I take it you get your feelings hurt a lot here as your sensitivity mixed with the amount of cunts on the internet don't go well together.

[eze]

You have been here for 3 years and yet get stroppy because he said the fans lack passion, that aint shit compared to what is said about the Brits by some posters, I take it you get your feelings hurt a lot here as your sensitivity mixed with the amount of cunts on the internet don't go well together.


No no. He bashed "Yanks" and said we dont deserve good fighters because we dont travel across country. Because we are lazy.

[eze]

You have been here for 3 years and yet get stroppy because he said the fans lack passion, that aint shit compared to what is said about the Brits by some posters, I take it you get your feelings hurt a lot here as your sensitivity mixed with the amount of cunts on the internet don't go well together.


I dislike anyone bashing any country for whatever reason.


Bashing a country bashed on fans is utterly retarded.

[Chief_Second]

Yeah but Vegas is Vegas what the fuck am I gonna do in Germany???

watch boxing - maybe even cheer a very decent boxer from the states who fell short tonight

[sandwichsurgeon]

Sitting on my computer............going to germany to watch Lamon Brewster fight. Yeah I see how it's the same.:patsch

"Americans actually have lives we can't go to Germany to watch boxing"

If you have such a hectic social life that you cannot take a weekend break in Germany then why do you have time to post on here? I'm sure the total time you have spent on here could fill several weekends.

[Chief_Second]

I dislike anyone bashing any country for whatever reason.


Bashing a country bashed on fans is utterly retarded.

i don't get involved in crappy conversations and stopped saying 'retard' to prevent myself being looked upon as one

[RightCross]

Pretty safe to say my former post on this topic remains.

Brewster is not a dymanic guy. He doesnt have the wide backing of anyone, never has. He has shown he is not sueprstar material perviously (watch the Meehan fight). Now if this was an american superstar on the level of the Euro fighters like Hatton, Kessler and JC than you would have seen more wide support.

Comparing Brewster to to Hatton is not a sound analogy.

[ThePlugInBabies]

it's extremely unfair to compare the american fans to the british. the british own all other fans at all sports. look at the following the english football team gets at big tournaments, look at the support the english cricket team gets no matter where they play, in the last ashes series down under, the big the battering england got, the louder our fans chanted, look at the support the british and irish lions team gets when they go on tour. it's not a fair comparison.

a more fair question is would many germans and ukranians made the journey to the states to watch brew-wlad?

[nulty]

Pretty safe to say my former post on this topic remains.

Brewster is not a dymanic guy. He doesnt have the wide backing of anyone, never has. He has shown he is not sueprstar material perviously (watch the Meehan fight). Now if this was an american superstar on the level of the Euro fighters like Hatton, Kessler and JC than you would have seen more wide support.

Comparing Brewster to to Hatton is not a sound analogy.

When have americans ever followed a fighter of their own overseas in big numbers?

[RightCross]

I also just want to add that I go to several BIG fights every year. These big USA names do not have to travel because the USA pays their fighters well and doesnt make them kiss ass to get televised by the networks.

De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather
Jermain taylor
Bernard Hopkins

Have no problem getting a following. I could name 15 more guys that are more popular and better p4p fighters than Lamon. Understand now?

[CASH_718]

watch boxing - maybe even cheer a very decent boxer from the states who fell short tonightNot worth the 5 or 6 g's the trip will cost sorry. Esp as shitty as the fight turned out to be.

[ryanty22]

im an american and ive made several trips to supports boxers i like ive gone to vegas and new jersey several times. going to germany or england is another thing entirely. as much as id like to travel to germany and catch a great fight and support my countrymen it isnt just a get up and go thing on the spur of the moment and it is alot more expensive than going to atlantic city or vegas for the weekend. but the point is if i could do it i would for now ill be at buffalo wild wings watching all the fights i cant see in person argueing in boxings favor with the unwashed hordes of mma fans

[CASH_718]

"Americans actually have lives we can't go to Germany to watch boxing"

If you have such a hectic social life that you cannot take a weekend break in Germany then why do you have time to post on here? I'm sure the total time you have spent on here could fill several weekends.I sure it could but it's spread out over 3 fuckin years. I'm not going to Germany to watch a fight not happening. I went to Vegas to watch Hopkins vs Taylor 1 and that's as far as I will go for a fight. Plus I hate fuckin flying.

[nulty]

it's extremely unfair to compare the american fans to the british. the british own all other fans at all sports. look at the following the english football team gets at big tournaments, look at the support the english cricket team gets no matter where they play, in the last ashes series down under, the big the battering england got, the louder our fans chanted, look at the support the british and irish lions team gets when they go on tour. it's not a fair comparison.

a more fair question is would many germans and ukranians made the journey to the states to watch brew-wlad?

Of course it fair, americans think they're best at everything and let us know it let's see many fans they can get to travel. Even at their own sports the 02 is holding hockey and basketball next season, I believe there will be an NFL game held over here as well, I wonder how many USA USA USA USA fans will come?

[sandwichsurgeon]

Not worth the 5 or 6 g's the trip will cost sorry. Esp as shitty as the fight turned out to be.

It wouldn't cost half that.

[kg0208]

Why would Americans follow an athlete in a sport we care nothing about as a nation to another country?

[sandwichsurgeon]

Why would Americans follow an athlete in a sport we care nothing about as a nation to another country?

There are 300 million of you there must be some people that give a fuck, whats a couple thousand out of 300 million?

[ThePlugInBabies]

Of course it fair, americans think they're best at everything and let us know it let's see many fans they can get to travel. Even at their own sports the 02 is holding hockey and basketball next season, I believe there will be an NFL game held over here as well, I wonder how many USA USA USA USA fans will come?

do me a favour, yanks don't claim to be the best supporters overseas, and any that do, need to be sectioned.

[kg0208]

Of course it fair, americans think they're best at everything and let us know it let's see many fans they can get to travel. Even at their own sports the 02 is holding hockey and basketball next season, I believe there will be an NFL game held over here as well, I wonder how many USA USA USA USA fans will come?

We don't let you know anything. You just hold onto that to justify your anger. You feel we feel we are the best at everything. Americans in general don't really give a damn about where a person is from....we are a nation of immigrants.

[eze]

Of course it fair, americans think they're best at everything and let us know it let's see many fans they can get to travel. Even at their own sports the 02 is holding hockey and basketball next season, I believe there will be an NFL game held over here as well, I wonder how many USA USA USA USA fans will come?


We dont think we are best at everything. I dont understand where you got that idea.

You do realize that America is a huge country compared to anything besides Russia in Europe. You can't expect all of us to like a certain sport and on top of it fly to other countrys.

[Sundance]

We don't let you know anything. You just hold onto that to justify your anger. You feel we feel we are the best at everything. Americans in general don't really give a damn about where a person is from....we are a nation of immigrants.

Excepting the natives. That Crazy Horse, now he kicked ass! :bbb

[kg0208]

There are 300 million of you there must be some people that give a fuck, whats a couple thousand out of 300 million?

300 million what? People? Or Americans?

And no, most of the American population, hell, I would say most of the SPORTS loving American population gives a damn about boxing. You guys don't know enough about our country to make these statements. When we explain it to you, you don't want to listen.

We don't care about boxing. The NBA Summer League games and the upcoming video game releases of NCAA Football 08 and Madden 08 are getting more coverage on ESPN then all of boxing combined. No, for the last time, USA doesn't care about boxing. At all....not even a little. They haven't since Tyson.

[kg0208]

Excepting the natives. That Crazy Horse, now he kicked ass! :bbb

Yah, but they aren't even part of our culture.....thats how this country is.

[nulty]

We don't let you know anything. You just hold onto that to justify your anger. You feel we feel we are the best at everything. Americans in general don't really give a damn about where a person is from....we are a nation of immigrants.

I'm not angry I love America actually, I alternate between Canada and the USA for my holiday. It's just some americans down right piss me off, but i'm not judging the whole nation based on that. I do think it'd be cool if you guys travelled more it'd make for a great atmosphere, imagine if you guys got a few thousand over for a hatton-mayweather fight, the banter would be awesome.

[CASH_718]

It wouldn't cost half that.Ok. Say it costs $3,000. I can spend $50 for gas and $200 for a ticket and take a 2 hour drive to AC and watch Gatti vs Gomez and Cintron vs Matteyse next week and be almost 100% sure I'm going to see atleast one great fight and have alot better time then if I fly to Germany and watch a boring fighter like Wlad.

[kg0208]

I'm not angry I love America actually, I alternate between Canada and the USA for my holiday. It's just some americans down right piss me off, but i'm not judging the whole nation based on that. I do think it'd be cool if you guys travelled more it'd make for a great atmosphere, imagine if you guys got a few thousand over for a hatton-mayweather fight, the banter would be awesome.

It WOULD be awesome. Agreed. But seriously, you would get more Americans traveling if you challenged us to a PS3 Madden 08 showdown than a boxing match.

And I am not kidding even a little. I turn on ESPN hoping to find some coverage of boxing, some analysis. Nothing, nada, zippo. I HAVE to come here to get it.

[nulty]

We dont think we are best at everything. I dont understand where you got that idea.

You do realize that America is a huge country compared to anything besides Russia in Europe. You can't expect all of us to like a certain sport and on top of it fly to other countrys.

Boxing is a minor sport in britain mate. A hatton fight at best gets minor newspaper coverage. But us fans (and i take it you're a boxing fan given that you are here) make the effort.

[CASH_718]

We dont think we are best at everything. I dont understand where you got that idea.

You do realize that America is a huge country compared to anything besides Russia in Europe. You can't expect all of us to like a certain sport and on top of it fly to other countrys.Russia is Asia.

But yes the United States of America is bigger then all of Europe.

[RightCross]

I'm not angry I love America actually, I alternate between Canada and the USA for my holiday. It's just some americans down right piss me off, but i'm not judging the whole nation based on that. I do think it'd be cool if you guys travelled more it'd make for a great atmosphere, imagine if you guys got a few thousand over for a hatton-mayweather fight, the banter would be awesome.

If the Hatton/Mayweather fight is made in the UK (it wont be it will happen in vegas) than you bet your ass I will be over for some fish/chips and plenty of beer.

[eze]

It WOULD be awesome. Agreed. But seriously, you would get more Americans traveling if you challenged us to a PS3 Madden 08 showdown than a boxing match.

And I am not kidding even a little. I turn on ESPN hoping to find some coverage of boxing, some analysis. Nothing, nada, zippo. I HAVE to come here to get it.

Yea it is sad that this is what america has turned into. At least us diehard fans can hold some pride over our heads.


I'd love to come to Europe to support a fighter that I LIKE.

I cant afford it.

[Odo]

it's extremely unfair to compare the american fans to the british. the british own all other fans at all sports. look at the following the english football team gets at big tournaments, look at the support the english cricket team gets no matter where they play, in the last ashes series down under, the big the battering england got, the louder our fans chanted, look at the support the british and irish lions team gets when they go on tour. it's not a fair comparison.

a more fair question is would many germans and ukranians made the journey to the states to watch brew-wlad?


What a silly question! A British dust collector earns more money than an Ukranian top scientist.Ukraine is an economically poor country compared with GB.
Of course Ukranians support their fighters,but they lack the money to follow them abroad.
You can find British tourists everywhere here in europe due to their high salaries which allows them to travel wherever they want to and live like kings and counts.

[nulty]

It WOULD be awesome. Agreed. But seriously, you would get more Americans traveling if you challenged us to a PS3 Madden 08 showdown than a boxing match.

And I am not kidding even a little. I turn on ESPN hoping to find some coverage of boxing, some analysis. Nothing, nada, zippo. I HAVE to come here to get it.

Boxing doesn't get main stream coverage over here either. Which is why it's up to the fans. Without being critical you guys should mobilise yourselves and join the party. Being a travelling fan is amazing.

[kg0208]

Yea it is sad that this is what america has turned into. At least us diehard fans can hold some pride over our heads.


I'd love to come to Europe to support a fighter that I LIKE.

I cant afford it.

In all honesty, while I am a boxing fan, I do support American Football more than any other sport. So while I can afford to travel to support a fighter I really love, I live in an NFL city and my season tickets come first.

I would have traveled to see RJJ fight. But he never left the country.

[ThePlugInBabies]

If the Hatton/Mayweather fight is made in the UK (it wont be it will happen in vegas) than you bet your ass I will be over for some fish/chips and plenty of beer.

you'll be drunk after a few sips then, don't wanna drag this into an british-american debate but that piss you drink over there is awful.

[eze]

In all honesty, while I am a boxing fan, I do support American Football more than any other sport. So while I can afford to travel to support a fighter I really love, I live in an NFL city and my season tickets come first.

I would have traveled to see RJJ fight. But he never left the country.

I understand that.

Boxing is first for me. Although I am huge Dallas Cowboys fan :good


I live in Southern California and I have never been a fan of the chargers but I will say this.

I have canceled plans for RJJs fights.

[kg0208]

Boxing doesn't get main stream coverage over here either. Which is why it's up to the fans. Without being critical you guys should mobilise yourselves and join the party. Being a travelling fan is amazing.

Yah, but being a minor sport and not being considered are two different things. There was no coverage in my local newspaper about today's fight. None.

Look at ESPN.COM. Look at ALL the sports ahead of boxing on their lists.

I would assume that Boxing is what, the 6-7th most important sport in Britain?

(i don't know honestly, you will have to tell me). It rates MUCH lower than that here.

[kg0208]

I understand that.

Boxing is first for me. Although I am huge Dallas Cowboys fan :good


I live in Southern California and I have never been a fan of the chargers but I will say this.

I have canceled plans for RJJs fights.
Well I am in Jacksonville, and we have the Jags. RJJ is from Pensacola, my hometown, so I would go see him fight.

But let me ask you.....you are in southern Cali. If PBF and DLH fought on the same night as USC-UCLA, where would the majority of TV fans be in Southern Cali?

PS. Chargers look damn good this year lol.

[eze]

Well I am in Jacksonville, and we have the Jags. RJJ is from Pensacola, my hometown, so I would go see him fight.

But let me ask you.....you are in southern Cali. If PBF and DLH fought on the same night as USC-UCLA, where would the majority of TV fans be in Southern Cali?

PS. Chargers look damn good this year lol.




usc-ucla for sure.


But I would be watching PBF-Oscar - Wanna know why? Cause they fought on May 5th (My birthday) And Im not mexican :yep

[RightCross]

you'll be drunk after a few sips then, don't wanna drag this into an british-american debate but that piss you drink over there is awful.

We get all the beer here you Brits have over there, but I agree with you our "light" beer is very light.

Regardless, make the pbf/hatton fight anywhere and Ill be there!

[nulty]

Yah, but being a minor sport and not being considered are two different things. There was no coverage in my local newspaper about today's fight. None.

Look at ESPN.COM. Look at ALL the sports ahead of boxing on their lists.

I would assume that Boxing is what, the 6-7th most important sport in Britain?

(i don't know honestly, you will have to tell me). It rates MUCH lower than that here.

At best it gets a small artice burried in the sports pages of a national newspaper. When lewis was around he would get a page. Hatton get an article if he's stepping up. The tabloids do a bit more but no one with a brain wastes their money on them. UK sports at a guess

1. Football
2. Rugby Union
3. Cricket
4. Rugby League
5. Tennis
6. F1
7. Athletics
8. Boxing

Thats going by newspaper coverage. However boxing attracts more die hard fans than most except football.

[ThePlugInBabies]

At best it gets a small artice burried in the sports pages of a national newspaper. When lewis was around he would get a page. Hatton get an article if he's stepping up. The tabloids do a bit more but no one with a brain wastes their money on them. UK sports at a guess

1. Football
2. Rugby Union
3. Cricket
4. Rugby League
5. Tennis
6. F1
7. Athletics
8. Boxing

Thats going by newspaper coverage. However boxing attracts more die hard fans than most except football.

cricket behind rugby union?!?!? :patsch

tennis anywhere on that list?

[nulty]

cricket behind rugby union?!?!? :patsch

tennis anywhere on that list?

I'm going by newspaper coverage, give your list?

[nulty]

cricket behind rugby union?!?!? :patsch

tennis anywhere on that list?

International cricket gets a lot of coverage, but when where you last at a county game? I'm a regular at lancashire and unreserved seating is the norm I never see that at Sale Sharks.

[kg0208]

At best it gets a small artice burried in the sports pages of a national newspaper. When lewis was around he would get a page. Hatton get an article if he's stepping up. The tabloids do a bit more but no one with a brain wastes their money on them. UK sports at a guess

1. Football
2. Rugby Union
3. Cricket
4. Rugby League
5. Tennis
6. F1
7. Athletics
8. Boxing

Thats going by newspaper coverage. However boxing attracts more die hard fans than most except football.

Here is our list.

1. American Football (NFL and College)
2. Basketball (NBA and College)
3. Baseball
4. NASCAR
5. Golf
6. Hockey
7. Tennis
8. High School Football and Basketball.
9. Soccer
10. Womens B-Ball
11. Horse Racing (only the big 3 races though)
12. Boxing and MMA, and MMA is moving up.

You also have to realize, that we give seperate coverage to college sports. So the NFL and NCAA have entirely their own coverage seperate from one another and their own fanbases. Same thing with NBA and NCAA. Not sure how College Sports are over their.

[nulty]

Here is our list.

1. American Football (NFL and College)
2. Basketball (NBA and College)
3. Baseball
4. NASCAR
5. Golf
6. Hockey
7. Tennis
8. High School Football and Basketball.
9. Soccer
10. Womens B-Ball
11. Horse Racing (only the big 3 races though)
12. Boxing and MMA, and MMA is moving up.

You also have to realize, that we give seperate coverage to college sports. So the NFL and NCAA have entirely their own coverage seperate from one another and their own fanbases. Same thing with NBA and NCAA. Not sure how College Sports are over their.

They're non-existent. A sports club who sign a youngster will offer education but the ones who make it are usually first team players in their teens or early twenties.

[eze]

Oh KG.

A little exagerration.

womens bball
and high school football/basketball is not above Boxing. Sry Lol

[nulty]

I should have had horse racing on my list that gets mainstream tv and newspaper coverage everyday and there are bookmakers shops everywhere over here.

[kg0208]

They're non-existent. A sports club who sign a youngster will offer education but the ones who make it are usually first team players in their late teens or early twenties.

Oh, yeah thats different than here.

Honestly, College Football should be #2 on that list and College Basketball #4. But I figured that people outside this country wouldn't get that the US actually considers them seperate when we discuss them locally. But they are both bigger than boxing by a mile, and College Football may even be 1A when considered....it is just as popular as the Pro level.

[T.S.]

There was little support because there was little faith. I think most Americans felt Wlad was going to win whether they said so publicly or not. Americans are not used to being dominated in the Heavyweight division many are in shock and denial. For some, it's easier to deal with it by ignoring it or looking the other way.

[ryanty22]

its sad that we are arguing over this when as boxing fans we should be banding together regardless of nationality to keep our favorite sport alive. write letters to sanctioning bodies demanding unification if enough of us do that and we can get exciting uni fights people will start coming back to boxingand it would then start to attract some more promising youngsters and go from there. i love boxing which is why im here listening to all of your veiwpoints and i dont want to see it go away

[kg0208]

Oh KG.

A little exagerration.

womens bball
and high school football/basketball is not above Boxing. Sry Lol
Oh yes they are.

Compare ESPN's full blown coverage of the NCAA Womens Tourney or UCONN vs Tennessee compared to a boxing match. Sure, DLH vs PBF got that kinda coverage. But as a whole, they aren't even close in the mainstream media.

As for High School Sports? How many people do you think could name the great High School Football teams in this country? Not alot, but more than they could name a HW champion right now. High School Football gets HUGE local coverage and Nationally televised games (5-6 a year now). Same with High School Basketball. Ever since Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett.

You know how many LeBron James games I saw? Or OJ Mayo...from your neck of the woods. ESPN covers them...but not boxing. They cover them even if it's only as a stepping stone because of recruiting.

Seriously, look in your newspaper around the time of High School Football or even on USA Today and look at the same time as a big boxing match. See which gets more coverage.

[ThePlugInBabies]

International cricket gets a lot of coverage, but when where you last at a county game? I'm a regular at lancashire and unreserved seating is the norm I never see that at Sale Sharks.

i'm a regular down at middlesex (sadly, listened to many an old timer telling me about the good old days).

domestic rugby>>>domestic cricket

but international cricket absolutely squashes international rugby.

[eze]

Oh yes they are.

Compare ESPN's full blown coverage of the NCAA Womens Tourney or UCONN vs Tennessee compared to a boxing match. Sure, DLH vs PBF got that kinda coverage. But as a whole, they aren't even close in the mainstream media.

As for High School Sports? How many people do you think could name the great High School Football teams in this country? Not alot, but more than they could name a HW champion right now. High School Football gets HUGE local coverage and Nationally televised games (5-6 a year now). Same with High School Basketball. Ever since Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett.

You know how many LeBron James games I saw? Or OJ Mayo...from your neck of the woods. ESPN covers them...but not boxing. They cover them even if it's only as a stepping stone because of recruiting.

Seriously, look in your newspaper around the time of High School Football or even on USA Today and look at the same time as a big boxing match. See which gets more coverage.

Honestly. I cant name a decent high school championship.

Then again. I dont watch ESPN.

[kg0208]

Honestly. I cant name a decent high school championship.

Then again. I dont watch ESPN.
LOL...come on now, thats the #1 sports network here. But if boxing is #1 for you, I can't blame you for not watching.

But you are in Southern Cali, a hotbed for great High School Football. California period actually, home to De La Salle High School who had something like a 155 game win streak up until 2 years ago. Or Long Beach Poly High. They show some of their games on Prime Time ESPN.

You know high school football and basketball actually get those national preview magazines every year just like College Football and Basketball now?

[nulty]

i'm a regular down at middlesex (sadly, listened to many an old timer telling me about the good old days).

domestic rugby>>>domestic cricket

but international cricket absolutely squashes international rugby.

If you ever make a trip up to Old Trafford for a game let me know and I'll buy you a pint.

[eze]

LOL...come on now, thats the #1 sports network here. But if boxing is #1 for you, I can't blame you for not watching.

But you are in Southern Cali, a hotbed for great High School Football. California period actually, home to De La Salle High School who had something like a 155 game win streak up until 2 years ago. Or Long Beach Poly High. They show some of their games on Prime Time ESPN.

You know high school football and basketball actually get those national preview magazines every year just like College Football and Basketball now?

Sad. Truely sad that they do.


I dislike ESPN. I rarely watch it.

[markbrooklyn]

i did not hear one "brewster, brewster, brewster" all evening????

no wonder brewster had nothing left, maybe if a us fan or two applied for a passport and backed their fighter things could have been exciting!!!

us brits rule in travelling in mass and backing our fighter!!!!!!!! remember bruno v tyson, lewis's fights, hamed, hatton..... i think brew felt very alone in germany tonight

The only reason you travel for your fighters is because it is rare that you have a great fighter.. Look at the history of boxing and there were so many great US fighters thats why there isnt more support for just one fighter

[nulty]

The only reason you travel for your fighters is because it is rare that you have a great fighter.. Look at the history of boxing and there were so many great US fighters thats why there isnt more support for just one fighter

Yeah, then why until the last 20 odd years, did americans travel the globe? Johnson won the belt in australia, ali travelled the globe etc etc. We travel for our fighters the same way we follow our football teams, passion, and passion that imo can't be matched.

[Chief_Second]

It wouldn't cost half that.

it cost me that to fly my wife and three kids to the hatton fight. you need to negotiate with the flight co's if they're charging that

[Chief_Second]

Here is our list.

1. American Football (NFL and College)
2. Basketball (NBA and College)
3. Baseball
4. NASCAR
5. Golf
6. Hockey
7. Tennis
8. High School Football and Basketball.
9. Soccer
10. Womens B-Ball
11. Horse Racing (only the big 3 races though)
12. Boxing and MMA, and MMA is moving up.

You also have to realize, that we give seperate coverage to college sports. So the NFL and NCAA have entirely their own coverage seperate from one another and their own fanbases. Same thing with NBA and NCAA. Not sure how College Sports are over their.

WWF wrestling should be there somewhere, or is it classed as corriography and not sport?

i think MMA/UFC is the same as wrestling?

[ryanty22]

pro wrestling is considered its own catagory of sports entertainment never cover by espn. a big problem is that the public here in america views boxing as corrupt and fake as pro wrestling is after being stung by the many many tyson-tomato can fights that cost 50 bucks and lasted 1 round. i dont know how it is in the other countries but people are just tired of so many different champ in just about every weight class, promoters for the most part not making matches the public wants to see and a percieved lack of good young american talent

[maracho]

Klitchko is actually Eurasian but I wonder how many Ukranians showed up yesterday?:huh

Compared to Americans and some other countries, Europeans often have very shallow reasons to expresss their pride and thus they excitedly live through the occasional tough guy that bears their nationality or especially ethnicity as did the Germans when their one and only Henry Maske recently fought Virgil Hill. :patsch

[kg0208]

WWF wrestling should be there somewhere, or is it classed as corriography and not sport?

i think MMA/UFC is the same as wrestling?

It's classified as Sports Entertainment. They don't even cover it on any Sports Network or news media. In the early 2000's it was huge, but it has dropped off tremendously.

[maracho]

At least the hooligans were not "monkey hooting" as is usually the case when a man of color enters European arenas. :verysad

[Goose]

Americans actually have lives we can't go to germany to watch boxing.

thats the dumbest line i've read on ESB in months :patsch

[David UK]

i'm a regular down at middlesex (sadly, listened to many an old timer telling me about the good old days).

domestic rugby>>>domestic cricket

but international cricket absolutely squashes international rugby.

Nottinghamshire CCC KO1 Middlesex!!

[Club Fighter]

At best it gets a small artice burried in the sports pages of a national newspaper. When lewis was around he would get a page. Hatton get an article if he's stepping up. The tabloids do a bit more but no one with a brain wastes their money on them. UK sports at a guess

1. Football
2. Rugby Union
3. Cricket
4. Rugby League
5. Tennis
6. F1
7. Athletics
8. Boxing

Thats going by newspaper coverage. However boxing attracts more die hard fans than most except football.
And I thought NASCAR was gay???

By and large, us yanks don't travel to support our athletes unless it's the Summer Olympics (in which we routinely kick major European ass). In America we have a little thing called responsibilities which disallows us from jetting off to foreign countries at the drop of a dime to witness an international sporting affair. We also have a little thing called cable (Pay-Per-View, in particular) which works in conjunction with TIVO to make sure we don't miss an event while tending to our aforementioned responsibilites. So while you Brits are flying half-way around the globe to witness some Chav get his ass trounced by an American, we're making more sound decisions with our time and money because we've been brought up to manage both of them well.

I saw one of you guys mention something about "not supporting our heroes." Easy, relax. Wesley Autrey's a hero. Lamon Brewster, PBF, Kelly Pavlik, etc. are boxers. You Brits ought to know how to differentiate between the two. If you guys didn't have your heads shoved so far up your arses you'd realize that a successful boxer isn't a hero, but a celebrity. The two are not synonomous. I can tell you this much, I know I'm not taking any advice on how to cheer for my athletes from some guys who like to get drunk in the stands, sing faggoty songs, and then kick each others asses over soccer?!?! Uhh, thanks, but no, thanks, chief. There's no way in hell I'm gonna be passionate enough to throw a punch over something that ended the same way it started, 0-0. :bart

[nulty]

And I thought NASCAR was gay???

By and large, us yanks don't travel to support our athletes unless it's the Summer Olympics (in which we routinely kick major European ass). In America we have a little thing called responsibilities which disallows us from jetting off to foreign countries at the drop of a dime to witness an international sporting affair. We also have a little thing called cable (Pay-Per-View, in particular) which works in conjunction with TIVO to make sure we don't miss an event while tending to our aforementioned responsibilites. So while you Brits are flying half-way around the globe to witness some Chav get his ass trounced by an American, we're making more sound decisions with our time and money because we've been brought up to manage both of them well.

I saw one of you guys mention something about "not supporting our heroes." Easy, relax. Wesley Autrey's a hero. Lamon Brewster, PBF, Kelly Pavlik, etc. are boxers. You Brits ought to know how to differentiate between the two. If you guys didn't have your heads shoved so far up your arses you'd realize that a successful boxer isn't a hero, but a celebrity. The two are not synonomous. I can tell you this much, I know I'm not taking any advice on how to cheer for my athletes from some guys who like to get drunk in the stands, sing faggoty songs, and then kick each others asses over soccer?!?! Uhh, thanks, but no, thanks, chief. There's no way in hell I'm gonna be passionate enough to throw a punch over something that ended the same way it started, 0-0. :bart

You're just jealous. We can watch and record fights too. But we decide to put the whooper/bigmac down get off our arses see the world and follow our guys.

[nulty]

And I thought NASCAR was gay???

By and large, us yanks don't travel to support our athletes unless it's the Summer Olympics (in which we routinely kick major European ass). In America we have a little thing called responsibilities which disallows us from jetting off to foreign countries at the drop of a dime to witness an international sporting affair. We also have a little thing called cable (Pay-Per-View, in particular) which works in conjunction with TIVO to make sure we don't miss an event while tending to our aforementioned responsibilites. So while you Brits are flying half-way around the globe to witness some Chav get his ass trounced by an American, we're making more sound decisions with our time and money because we've been brought up to manage both of them well.

I saw one of you guys mention something about "not supporting our heroes." Easy, relax. Wesley Autrey's a hero. Lamon Brewster, PBF, Kelly Pavlik, etc. are boxers. You Brits ought to know how to differentiate between the two. If you guys didn't have your heads shoved so far up your arses you'd realize that a successful boxer isn't a hero, but a celebrity. The two are not synonomous. I can tell you this much, I know I'm not taking any advice on how to cheer for my athletes from some guys who like to get drunk in the stands, sing faggoty songs, and then kick each others asses over soccer?!?! Uhh, thanks, but no, thanks, chief. There's no way in hell I'm gonna be passionate enough to throw a punch over something that ended the same way it started, 0-0. :bart

I know, god forbid you'd buy a passport.

[C Money]

Fuck you for bashing Americans.


When did this sport become about supporting a fighter of your country and not about supporting a fighter you like.


You bash on Americans ( So this means you are bashing on me) For cheering for someone else.

Fuck you "mate".

Amen:good Sometimes, rooting against fighters you dislike as well.

I'm an American and if Hatton fights Mayweather?? I'm rooting for Ricky. I wont hold the ignorance of some Brits against him.
Nationality, has absolutely NOTHING to do with my support of a fighter. It's the heart, will, skill, and character that a fighter display's that gets my support.

[Chief_Second]

And I thought NASCAR was gay???

By and large, us yanks don't travel to support our athletes unless it's the Summer Olympics (in which we routinely kick major European ass). In America we have a little thing called responsibilities which disallows us from jetting off to foreign countries at the drop of a dime to witness an international sporting affair. We also have a little thing called cable (Pay-Per-View, in particular) which works in conjunction with TIVO to make sure we don't miss an event while tending to our aforementioned responsibilites. So while you Brits are flying half-way around the globe to witness some Chav get his ass trounced by an American, we're making more sound decisions with our time and money because we've been brought up to manage both of them well.

I saw one of you guys mention something about "not supporting our heroes." Easy, relax. Wesley Autrey's a hero. Lamon Brewster, PBF, Kelly Pavlik, etc. are boxers. You Brits ought to know how to differentiate between the two. If you guys didn't have your heads shoved so far up your arses you'd realize that a successful boxer isn't a hero, but a celebrity. The two are not synonomous. I can tell you this much, I know I'm not taking any advice on how to cheer for my athletes from some guys who like to get drunk in the stands, sing faggoty songs, and then kick each others asses over soccer?!?! Uhh, thanks, but no, thanks, chief. There's no way in hell I'm gonna be passionate enough to throw a punch over something that ended the same way it started, 0-0. :bart

if brewster was english, he's be no.1 HW in england, and get all of the support needed to be inspired for a great performance. this is what makes an "athlete" want to do great things.

ali was the last boxer to be supported by fans (worldwide) from america and that is what made him go the extra few yards to win those close rubber matches and ko foreman in africa.

germany is local to western european countries that contain more culure than anywhere else on the planet. can't see why yanks would prefer their cable HDTV's or whater.

I personally have watched boxing or fought in over 30 countries around the globe and have experienced things that you would not be able to understand by watching the discovery channel jack!

[Smazz20]

apparently, something like 80% of americans don't have passports. so lets say that leaves around 60 million Americans with passports. How many are boxing fans? secondly, how many would be stupid enough to follow Brewster to Germany? That fight was mismatch. damn right their was no support for him over their. It's be a shocking waste of money.

[kg0208]

apparently, something like 80% of americans don't have passports. so lets say that leaves around 60 million Americans with passports. How many are boxing fans? secondly, how many would be stupid enough to follow Brewster to Germany? That fight was mismatch. damn right their was no support for him over their. It's be a shocking waste of money.

Some of that 20% BTW are children.

[IntentionalButt]

U-S-A chants in sports make me ashamed to be an American. :nod

[Smazz20]

Some of that 20% BTW are children.

Exactly. I'd understand his point if he was talking about a big name fighter, but Lamon Brewster? That'd be like asking why dosen't Junior Witter bring 10,000 fans to his fights!

[Club Fighter]

I know, god forbid you'd buy a passport.
I don't think you've actually grasped how vast a country the US really is. What you would consider international travel in Europe wouldn't amount to more than just interstate travel in the US. The differences in population, language, religion & customs that you experience when traveling throughout Europe can be experienced by Americans domestically. We have access to things domestically that you would have to seek out in a foreign land. I can go to Hawaii, or Florida where it's sun & sand all year round. In the same token I can go to Juneau, Alaska where the temperature will max out at 45 degrees Fahrenheit in the heart of the summer. If i wanna see the desert I can go to Nevada. There's so much to experience and discover within our own boundaries that we don't feel compelled to go to a foreign land to seek out something unique. Hell, in my city alone I can hear every single language that there is in Europe, bar none, and that's no exaggeration. Until you're confronted with the myriad of options we have domestically in your own country, your opinion of our travelling habits will fall on near-deaf ears.

So, in essence, we have passports. They're called our American citizenship. It gives us access to more culture, custom, language, religion, & social capital than any other in this world. And you can take that to the bank.

[Brickhaus]

If Americans were going to travel to support a fighter, why the hell would we travel to support Lamon Brewster? It's not like the Brits travel to support their second and third tier fighters, why should we?

[lightning punch]

i did not hear one "brewster, brewster, brewster" all evening????

no wonder brewster had nothing left, maybe if a us fan or two applied for a passport and backed their fighter things could have been exciting!!!

us brits rule in travelling in mass and backing our fighter!!!!!!!! remember bruno v tyson, lewis's fights, hamed, hatton..... i think brew felt very alone in germany tonight

brits coming to see the fight and vegas and america..

americans go 3000 miles for a fight? for lamon? no

[nulty]

If Americans were going to travel to support a fighter, why the hell would we travel to support Lamon Brewster? It's not like the Brits travel to support their second and third tier fighters, why should we?

Except we do and have. Look how many followed bruno to vegas. Bruno wasn't the best in the world.

[Smazz20]

I don't think you've actually grasped how vast a country the US really is. What you would consider international travel in Europe wouldn't amount to more than just interstate travel in the US. The differences in population, language, religion & customs that you experience when traveling throughout Europe can be experienced by Americans domestically. We have access to things domestically that you would have to seek out in a foreign land. I can go to Hawaii, or Florida where it's sun & sand all year round. In the same token I can go to Juneau, Alaska where the temperature will max out at 45 degrees Fahrenheit in the heart of the summer. If i wanna see the desert I can go to Nevada. There's so much to experience and discover within our own boundaries that we don't feel compelled to go to a foreign land to seek out something unique. Hell, in my city alone I can hear every single language that there is in Europe, bar none, and that's no exaggeration. Until you're confronted with the myriad of options we have domestically in your own country, your opinion of our travelling habits will fall on near-deaf ears.

So, in essence, we have passports. They're called our American citizenship. It gives us access to more culture, custom, language, religion, & social capital than any other in this world. And you can take that to the bank.

and that prevents you from travelling because?

Maybe it's because their are so many Germans in your city that you already know what Germany is like:patsch

Or France? Or Britain? Or Spain? etc etc.

It dosen't matter how many cultures you have in your country. It's still America. You can have all the Chinatowns you want. It dosen't make it China. I could go to Iceland or Norway just as easily as I could got to Greece or Spain. I could probably do it easier than you could get to Alaska or Hawaii.

But again, what does that have to do with wanting to travel to follow a sporting event?

[nulty]

brits coming to see the fight and vegas and america..

americans go 3000 miles for a fight? for lamon? no

Actually most go just for the fight. Every fight I've travelled for I've stayed two nights, three on a couple of ocassions. I've taken longer trips to the USA just not fight related.

[Brickhaus]

Except we do and have. Look how many followed bruno to vegas. Bruno wasn't the best in the world.

No, but he was ENGLAND's best fighter. Every country supports their best. I don't see the English following Robin Reid to the four corners of the globe to watch his fights. Following Brewster would be akin to that.

[nulty]

No, but he was ENGLAND's best fighter. Every country supports their best. I don't see the English following Robin Reid to the four corners of the globe to watch his fights. Following Brewster would be akin to that.

I and number of others followed him to germany and florida. How many yanks came over here to support their best supermiddle against Joe Calzaghe?

PS he was englands best heavyweight not best fighter.

[Brickhaus]

I and number of others followed him to germany and florida. How many yanks came over here to support their best supermiddle against Joe Calzaghe?

PS he was englands best heavyweight not best fighter.

Yeah, you and like 50. I'm sure there were 50 Americans at the Brewster fight. They just didn't make damn fools of themselves while watching the fight. US spectators have a much greater sense of decorum than most Euro sports fans.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Yeah, you and like 50. I'm sure there were 50 Americans at the Brewster fight. They just didn't make damn fools of themselves while watching the fight. US spectators have a much greater sense of decorum than most Euro sports fans.

YOOOUUUUU-ESSSSSSSS-AYYYYYYYYYYYY

YOOOUUUUU-ESSSSSSSS-AYYYYYYYYYYYY

:-(

[nulty]

Yeah, you and like 50. I'm sure there were 50 Americans at the Brewster fight. They just didn't make damn fools of themselves while watching the fight. US spectators have a much greater sense of decorum than most Euro sports fans.

You mean their tongues don't come through customs? You summed it perfectly by calling the US guys spectators and the european guys fans, a big difference in terms.

[sean]

i think it is just a cultural thing.

in the uk away support is the norm .

in spain for instance away support even quite local is virtually non exsistent.

from watching american football it seems there is hardly any away support.

this football metality support transfers to boxing as well in the uk for sure, more so than any other nation.

pole`s turn out in force in america for there boxers as well.

[buddynabuick]

His lacking support wasn't a factor anyway. The crowd was on Klitschko's side, but they weren't particularly hostile towards Brewster either (before the stoppage that is, of course).


Shouldn't it have been called a "quittage?":lol:

[Club Fighter]

and that prevents you from travelling because?

Maybe it's because their are so many Germans in your city that you already know what Germany is like:patsch

Or France? Or Britain? Or Spain? etc etc.

It dosen't matter how many cultures you have in your country. It's still America. You can have all the Chinatowns you want. It dosen't make it China. I could go to Iceland or Norway just as easily as I could got to Greece or Spain. I could probably do it easier than you could get to Alaska or Hawaii.

But again, what does that have to do with wanting to travel to follow a sporting event?

You missed the whole point of what I said. I never said that going to chinatown is tantamount to going to China. My point is, there are so many differences within our own country (unlike your mostly homogeneous Euro-Countries) that we don't feel compelled to go see yours. We can live in America all of our lives and still not see all it has to offer. England is smaller than the state of Lousiana and Germany is smaller than the state of Montana. They're not that tough to go through forwards and backwards. Now the US, on the other hand, is much larger. So if I lived in one of those small, homogeneous European countries I'd wanna travel a whole helluva lot myself. Living in America reduces the feeling that one has to need to travel and hence many here are not as passionate about it as their European counterparts. I'm not against it, I'll just get around to it when I get around to it. I should be in Brazil within the next year if you must know.

[sean]

You missed the whole point of what I said. I never said that going to chinatown is tantamount to going to China. My point is, there are so many differences within our own country (unlike your mostly homogeneous Euro-Countries) that we don't feel compelled to go see yours. We can live in America all of our lives and still not see all it has to offer. England is smaller than the state of Lousiana and Germany is smaller than the state of Montana. They're not that tough to go through forwards and backwards. Now the US, on the other hand, is much larger. So if I lived in one of those small, homogeneous European countries I'd wanna travel a whole helluva lot myself. Living in America reduces the feeling that one has to need to travel and hence many here are not as passionate about it as their European counterparts. I'm not against it, I'll just get around to it when I get around to it. I should be in Brazil within the next year if you must know.

you would be amazed if you came to england at the difference in identity and culture.

i have no idea of course but i could not imagine that anywhere in america is as diverse and different than the uk within such small areas.

as an american you would need a translator to understand the different dialects for every 60 miles you travel in some places much shorter than that.

london has 300 languages , i have even heard english spoken there occasionally.

i understand your point , if i lived in the states i would get one of those huge mobile home lorries and travel extensivley.

not to the desert or hotter regions of your climate though.

[Club Fighter]

i think it is just a cultural thing.

in the uk away support is the norm .

in spain for instance away support even quite local is virtually non exsistent.

from watching american football it seems there is hardly any away support.

this football metality support transfers to boxing as well in the uk for sure, more so than any other nation.

pole`s turn out in force in america for there boxers as well.

As far as football is concerned, if it's the playoffs we'll do interstate travelling at any costs. For a regular season game we won't venture out of our general region. For instance, I live in New York City. If the Jets are playing the Patriots @ Gillette and I've got tickets, I'm going. Now if the Jets were playing the Dolphins @ Dolphin Stadium and I had tickets, I'd try to sell them.

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[kg0208]

As far as football is concerned, if it's the playoffs we'll do interstate travelling at any costs. For a regular season game we won't venture out of our general region. For instance, I live in New York City. If the Jets are playing the Patriots @ Gillette and I've got tickets, I'm going. Now if the Jets were playing the Dolphins @ Dolphin Stadium and I had tickets, I'd try to sell them.

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And College football fans are perhaps crazier due to having actual affiliation with the school.

[Brickhaus]

You missed the whole point of what I said. I never said that going to chinatown is tantamount to going to China. My point is, there are so many differences within our own country (unlike your mostly homogeneous Euro-Countries) that we don't feel compelled to go see yours. We can live in America all of our lives and still not see all it has to offer. England is smaller than the state of Lousiana and Germany is smaller than the state of Montana. They're not that tough to go through forwards and backwards. Now the US, on the other hand, is much larger. So if I lived in one of those small, homogeneous European countries I'd wanna travel a whole helluva lot myself. Living in America reduces the feeling that one has to need to travel and hence many here are not as passionate about it as their European counterparts. I'm not against it, I'll just get around to it when I get around to it. I should be in Brazil within the next year if you must know.

Maybe you feel that way. I wouldn't generalize this though. I travel internationally to see the world all the time. I just don't make sporting events the focus of my travels.

[nickthegreek]

At best it gets a small artice burried in the sports pages of a national newspaper. When lewis was around he would get a page. Hatton get an article if he's stepping up. The tabloids do a bit more but no one with a brain wastes their money on them. UK sports at a guess

1. Football
2. Rugby Union
3. Cricket
4. Rugby League
5. Tennis
6. F1
7. Athletics
8. Boxing

Thats going by newspaper coverage. However boxing attracts more die hard fans than most except football.

Add speedway to that list.

Its sad as fuck how its changed over the years.

[Club Fighter]

This is merely a single neighborhood in one of the boroughs of my city: [Only registered and activated users can see links]



P.S. KG0208, are you a Jaguars fan? If so, what are your predictions for this upcoming season. We're only a couple months away.

[Loufatski]

i did not hear one "brewster, brewster, brewster" all evening????

no wonder brewster had nothing left, maybe if a us fan or two applied for a passport and backed their fighter things could have been exciting!!!

us brits rule in travelling in mass and backing our fighter!!!!!!!! remember bruno v tyson, lewis's fights, hamed, hatton..... i think brew felt very alone in germany tonight

Dude, what do you expect? Brewster looks like a tough garbage man and fights about the way he looks... I don't think anyone has anything against him but, seriously... Wlad is the man! ... and I'm not exactly a real Wlad fan.

[maracho]

you would be amazed if you came to england at the difference in identity and culture.

i have no idea of course but i could not imagine that anywhere in america is as diverse and different than the uk within such small areas.

as an american you would need a translator to understand the different dialects for every 60 miles you travel in some places much shorter than that.

london has 300 languages , i have even heard english spoken there occasionally.

i understand your point , if i lived in the states i would get one of those huge mobile home lorries and travel extensivley.

not to the desert or hotter regions of your climate though.

Well go to any big American city or heck almost any walmart and you will see the that the U.S. is more culturally diverse than you imagine especially in the big cities. We may not have as much diverity as London but America has always been the standard melting pot that others are compared.

Oh and as you drive through london with your claimed biligual expertise ask the people even Muslims were they would rather live; the U.S. or London. By all the forreign protestors I have been seeing lately in European cities, I would say forriegners are much happier here in the U.S. even if the world does seem to take its anger out on us.

Further, more I think Americans are more open toward differences as seen with our better rate of hiring forriengers. For example, I read that forriegn unemployment and wellfare is vasly higher in European countries. And why is it that everyone in Europe is expected to dress according to the Eurolook while here in the U.S. they more often retain tradition.

What do you have against deserts? They are full of life.

[guillermojm]

i love boxing and i follow alot of other sports i always try to cheer for the home team or the american boxer but if the boxer is shitty i am not going to lie to myself and cheer for him

another thing is i am not gonna spend 10 grand and take my family to germany to cheer for a boxer because in the end i will get stuck with the credit card payments and that boxer will take his 10 mill or whatever and never even knew i was there.

i hope hatton sent thank you cards to all the brits that flew to vegas to watch him and i wonder did THAT make a diffrence in the fight??? because i bet my left one there was a lot more mexicans at that fight then brits.....