Big deal

[Drexl]

A better version of Wlad beat a worse version of Brewster.

HOLY SHITFUCK! WHAT A SHOCK!! :roll:


Wlad is head & sholders the best HW in the division and needs to unify to prove it. This fight was as predictable as Wlad vs Austin and about as (in)significant.

I can't remember who it was, but I made a month-off bet against someone that Wlad's next fight after Brock would not be a unification and I got jumped on by the fanclub. Then I made a thread saying the same thing after the Austin fight and again I just got called a hater.

I -honest to God- like Wlad. But he is frustrating the hell out of me by wasting his prime on this trash.

[Relentless]

next he will have 2 or 4 more fights and then he might think of unifying

[geppy]

First people say Wlad needs to avenge his losses. Now he does it, now it is why did he bother?

How was Brewster worse? In the first fight Brewster caim off a long layoff , and he said he had no trouble with his eye. Brewster took a worse dominating beating the first fight , untill Wlad just punched himself out and fell over.

[Butch Coolidge]

Some people were claiming Brewster had Wladimir's number.:lol:

Also, since Brew beat him once some people think that would mean that Brew would beat him 100% of the time. :tong

Klitschko needed to have a rematch with somebody who beat him. If he didn't people would be saying "dodging" "running" etc.:-(

Now the Brewster fight is out of the way maybe they'll start a unification tournament.:bbb


Rubber match?:smooch

[Drexl]

First people say Wlad needs to avenge his losses. Now he does it, now it is why did he bother?

How was Brewster worse? In the first fight Brewster caim off a long layoff , and he said he had no trouble with his eye. Brewster took a worse dominating beating the first fight , untill Wlad just punched himself out and fell over.

No, people said he needed to avenge his losses after they happened, not a bunch of years later when the opponent has been inactive, is coming off a loss and had major eye-surgery.

BTW I am not one of those people. Look at my posts & you will see I always said this fight was a farce and a waste of everybody's time.

[Drexl]

Some people were claiming Brewster had Wladimir's number.
Well those people were idiots.

Why would wlad pick his fights based on what a few idiots want rather than attempting to actually prove he is the best champion and in the process give his fans what they want?

[achillesthegreat]

Another garbage thread. He just avenged his most recent lost. Brewster is a former champ and he got dominated. He came in shape and has lost once in god knows how many years. The fight is very significant. It will also be looked upon kindly when Wlad is reviewed historically.

[Relentless]

Another garbage thread. He just avenged his most recent lost. Brewster is a former champ and he got dominated. He came in shape and has lost once in god knows how many years. The fight is very significant. It will also be looked upon kindly when Wlad is reviewed historically.

he lost last year.

[geppy]

No, people said he needed to avenge his losses after they happened, not a bunch of years later when the opponent has been inactive, is coming off a loss and had major eye-surgery.

BTW I am not one of those people. Look at my posts & you will see I always said this fight was a farce and a waste of everybody's time.

Again, Brewster said the eye was not a problem at all. Brewster was "inactive" coming into the first fight as well. Brewster showed up at 228 lbs in great shape.

[achillesthegreat]

he lost last year.
...like I said he's lost once in god knows how many years. Before that he lost years ago.

[Sundance]

I hope Wlad doesnt wait for the unification bouts and fights again before the New year. He was unmarked and fresh after this contest, so get in Holyfield before he's pushing up daisy's.

[AJAX]

he lost last year.

no he didn't you fukin troll! try to learn the sport before you spout off your useless shit.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Are you acting like it is Wlad's fault that he can't get a unification fight? If so, then I would love to know why.... if not then why bring it up as if he had a choice? Would you rather him sit on the shelf until a unification fight falls in his lap?

Personally, I think this fight only enhances Wlad that much more within himself as he has knocked that monkey off of his back.

[Relentless]

...like I said he's lost once in god knows how many years. Before that he lost years ago.

aren't you talking about brewster? :huh

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

This is three years after his loss to Brewster. Brewster wouldn't give Wlad a rematch before now. Neither would Sanders, and both refused rematches openly.

So, what is the difference between Lennox Lewis revenging his loss against McCall 3 years later as well? Especially considering that McCall had lost too, and was fresh out of crack rehab to boot? Yet, that doesn't stop everyone from proclaiming Lennox the best for "defeating every man he ever faced".

What a double standard.

[Relentless]

please dont bring the best heavyweight ever into this.

[DamonD]

Oh c'mon Widdow, surely you can make a good enough counter to all this without dragging Lewis into this...don't compare man, it ain't heathy.

Wladimir is Wladimir, let him stand and fall on his own merits.

[Marquito_666]

No, people said he needed to avenge his losses after they happened, not a bunch of years later when the opponent has been inactive, is coming off a loss and had major eye-surgery.

BTW I am not one of those people. Look at my posts & you will see I always said this fight was a farce and a waste of everybody's time.

Hey Drexl,
You´re a good poster...you can separate feelings from facts...I like that !!!

You dont blame Wlad for not making this rematch earlier, are you ??? :huh

[Dekkers]

This is three years after his loss to Brewster. Brewster wouldn't give Wlad a rematch before now. Neither would Sanders, and both refused rematches openly.

So, what is the difference between Lennox Lewis revenging his loss against McCall 3 years later as well? Especially considering that McCall had lost too, and was fresh out of crack rehab to boot? Yet, that doesn't stop everyone from proclaiming Lennox the best for "defeating every man he ever faced".

What a double standard.
I think this is a nice win, particularly on paper like the Lennox v McCall rematch. Better comp will come i'm sure, it's looking like the biggest obstacle to unification in the future will be Vitali getting his paws on a belt.

[Marquito_666]

This is three years after his loss to Brewster. Brewster wouldn't give Wlad a rematch before now. Neither would Sanders, and both refused rematches openly.

So, what is the difference between Lennox Lewis revenging his loss against McCall 3 years later as well? Especially considering that McCall had lost too, and was fresh out of crack rehab to boot? Yet, that doesn't stop everyone from proclaiming Lennox the best for "defeating every man he ever faced".

What a double standard.

Good point...:good

This is Klitschko we´re talking about....there will ALWAYS be another obstacle before he will be recognized.

[nervousxtian]

Good win for Wlad, anyone who says otherwise is a hater.

Now it's time for Wlad to unify.. hopefully against the winner of Chageav/Ibragimov.

[Marquito_666]

Widdow first of all i don't like that you aren't honoring your bet
NOT COOL:-(

Second of all if people claim he is the best (which he is POTENTIALLY) he will say i will concentrate on defending my belt.

He will de facto have people believe he is the champ.

Furthermore, I don't like his bullshit about not dealing with King or Kohl.
Fine they are pricks but you have to make priorities.
Crying about Kohl only further underlines that Wlad fucked himself up by signing with him early in his career.

This bullshit about promoters is NO FUCKIN REASON.
ITS A FUCKIN EXCUSE about money and negotiation.
FINE that is important to him to make his millions.
I don't give a shit to a point. I want him to get those millions for teh right reasons, even if he is getting boned by King or Kohl.

First of all I want to say that I have respected your posts here since I joined back in 2005. :good

I don´t understand what you mean when saying that Klitschko will de facto "have people belive" that he´s the champ.....to my knowledge he´s the only titlist that has been VERY clear about that he´s not a champ.

Finally I will NEVER blame ANYONE for not dealing with the thief and murderer KING. One might be robbed of one or a few fights that we want.....but it ain´t US that must sell our souls to that faggot to make it happen, so who are we to judge ????

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Oh c'mon Widdow, surely you can make a good enough counter to all this without dragging Lewis into this...don't compare man, it ain't heathy.

Wladimir is Wladimir, let him stand and fall on his own merits.
That isn't a bash towards Lewis, it is a wake up call. The same people who give Lewis all of the credit in the world for rematching McCall 3 years and a loss later, coming out of crack rehab (and having a breakdown in the ring)... are now saying that Wladimir doesn't deserve credit because this is 3 years later, and Brewster has lost since then.

That is simply pointing out a double standard that can't be denied.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Widdow first of all i don't like that you aren't honoring your bet
NOT COOL:-(

Second of all if people claim he is the best (which he is POTENTIALLY) he will say i will concentrate on defending my belt.

He will de facto have people believe he is the champ.

Furthermore, I don't like his bullshit about not dealing with King or Kohl.
Fine they are pricks but you have to make priorities.
Crying about Kohl only further underlines that Wlad fucked himself up by signing with him early in his career.

This bullshit about promoters is NO FUCKIN REASON.
ITS A FUCKIN EXCUSE about money and negotiation.
FINE that is important to him to make his millions.
I don't give a shit to a point. I want him to get those millions for teh right reasons, even if he is getting boned by King or Kohl.
I am honoring my bet. I have already taken two months off... I was voted back in to talk about this fight for this week, and then I go bye bye again to finish my time, and add the time that I spent here.

Also, you aren't making any sense. Wladimir just dealt with King in his last fight against Austin. Wladimir isn't refusing to work with anyone... the promoters are protecting their fighters from Wladimir.

[Max Molyneux]

Wlad wasn't ripped off In his loss to Brewster like Lewis was In his loss to McCall though.

Tis a dobule standard though.

[Relentless]

I am honoring my bet. I have already taken two months off... I was voted back in to talk about this fight for this week, and then I go bye bye again to finish my time, and add the time that I spent here.

Also, you aren't making any sense. Wladimir just dealt with King in his last fight against Austin. Wladimir isn't refusing to work with anyone... the promoters are protecting their fighters from Wladimir.

how were you voted back without dishonoring your bet?? you came here and asked if people wanted you back right?? i lost the same bet as you and one of my favourite fighters were fighting during my time off, you didn't see me asking to be back on :hey

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Wlad wasn't ripped off In his loss to Brewster like Lewis was In his loss to McCall though.

Tis a dobule standard though.
You call a fight being stopped when Lewis was stumbling into the ref as the count reached 10 a rip off?:lol: What was the ref supposed to do? Sidestep, and Lewis fall back into action? The ref had already said 9, and Lewis was stumbling into him.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

how were you voted back without dishonoring your bet?? you came here and asked if people wanted you back right?? i lost the same bet as you and one of my favourite fighters were fighting during my time off, you didn't see me asking to be back on :hey
I don't give a fuck what you did, and obviously you take this message board a little too serious. I already spent twice the time off that you did, and my bet was with a guy who doesn't even post here anymore. In reality, our bet is pretty much null and void since there was no way I could win since he stopped posting in the first place. He stopped posting about 3 months before the fight even happened. My original bet was with the board along with everyone else for one month off... and I have already spent two.

[Max Molyneux]

You call a fight being stopped when Lewis was stumbling into the ref as the count reached 10 a rip off?:lol: What was the ref supposed to do? Sidestep, and Lewis fall back into action? The ref had already said 9, and Lewis was stumbling into him.

He just got up from the count, a mere stumble doesn't warrant a stoppage.

Lewis doesn't make claims of being drugged in his losses though.:deal

You cannot post about Wlad without making excuses for his problems either.

[franknstein]

A better version of Wlad beat a worse version of Brewster.

HOLY SHITFUCK! WHAT A SHOCK!! :roll:


Wlad is head & sholders the best HW in the division and needs to unify to prove it. This fight was as predictable as Wlad vs Austin and about as (in)significant.

I can't remember who it was, but I made a month-off bet against someone that Wlad's next fight after Brock would not be a unification and I got jumped on by the fanclub. Then I made a thread saying the same thing after the Austin fight and again I just got called a hater.

I -honest to God- like Wlad. But he is frustrating the hell out of me by wasting his prime on this trash.


Alright, alright... Everything went as we expected. Wlad won, but it was an ugly and very unsatisfactory victory. Fans overdo it with praise and haters waste everyones time with threads like this one... Your're right drexl: BIG F..... DEAL.

I for my part am happy that he got over with this business, now move on to more interesting fights. BTW, it's my believe that Wlad took the only chance he had to avenge his loss. Brew had lost his title and had nothing to lose thats why the fight came off in the first place. Most likely it would have never happend if Lamon still was champ (I don't need to state the obvious reasons, do I?). So that's that. What I now expect from Wlad is exactly what lennox was saying in one of the post fight interviews: He now has to fight the very best, nothing less.

That said, enough with those bullshit fights. Bring on the real challenges, if there are any...

[Max Molyneux]

McCall wasn't coming off a loss either after his year layoff In rehab.

[Relentless]

I don't give a fuck what you did, and obviously you take this message board a little too serious. I already spent twice the time off that you did, and my bet was with a guy who doesn't even post here anymore. In reality, our bet is pretty much null and void since there was no way I could win since he stopped posting in the first place. He stopped posting about 3 months before the fight even happened. My original bet was with the board along with everyone else for one month off... and I have already spent two.

i lost my bet to the same person (radar right?)

that was your own fault why did you say you were going for 3 months if you lose??

but oscar got robbed so i'll let you slide.:yep

[Max Molyneux]

obviously you take this message board a little too serious.

So do you It seems judging off your fiery posts.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

He just got up from the count, a mere stumble doesn't warrant a stoppage.

Lewis doesn't make claims of being drugged in his losses though.:deal

You cannot post about Wlad without making excuses for his problems either.
Where am I making excuses? Do you have a reading problem? The person making excuses is you, saying that Lewis was ripped off... I didn't say that Wlad was ripped off, did I?

What is the ref supposed to do then? Steady Lewis until he is ready to fight, and then let the action continue? Give hime a time-out? The ref was finishing his 10 count, and Lewis was stumbling into his chest... Lewis fans should thank that ref from saving Lewis from a beating that may have altered his career.

[Max Molyneux]

but oscar got robbed so i'll let you slide.

I don't get why some think the guy who tries to press the fight gets robbed? If he gets outboxed, that doesn't matter.

[Relentless]

I don't get why some think the guy who tries to press the fight gets robbed? If he gets outboxed, that doesn't matter.

STFU bitch!

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

i lost my bet to the same person (radar right?)

that was your own fault why did you say you were going for 3 months if you lose??

but oscar got robbed so i'll let you slide.:yep
No, you bet was the board's general one month off bet, where people just put it down. I did the same thing, and then I made a 3 month bet with Radar on the side. Radar made the bet, and then stopped post on the site. In other words, he had no reason to make the bet in the first place because he wasn't going to be here anyways.

And yes... Oscar did win that fight.:good

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I don't get why some think the guy who tries to press the fight gets robbed? If he gets outboxed, that doesn't matter.
Let's not get into this here... but Oscar didn't get outboxed that is the point. Watch that fight in slow motion and you will be laughing your ass off as Floyd taps Oscar's gloves all night long. Outside of the begining of the 11th round where Floyd had a great spurt... he was slapping Oscar's gloves. Oscar showed up at the press conference looking like he hadn't even been in a fight, while both of Floyd's eyes were swelling up, with one almost swelled shut.

[0-1]

The most important thing for Wlad to do is to get an agreement as son as possible to fight the winner of Chagaev-Ibragimov. If he can do that before the fight then it will make it a bigger fight, and the same for the subsequent match. This is the biggest match in boxing, I would imagine, and would reignite global interest. If he then has another match in the meantime, well and good, even if it's against Holyfield, just so long as Wlad, or anyone that beat him in that fight, takes on the winner of Ibragimov-Chagaev.

They can leave the WBC to be a whole different soap opera for the meantime, whilst Peter, then Vitali, then McCall all have their mandatory shots at it.

[Max Molyneux]

Where am I making excuses? Do you have a reading problem? The person making excuses is you, saying that Lewis was ripped off... I didn't say that Wlad was ripped off, did I?

What is the ref supposed to do then? Steady Lewis until he is ready to fight, and then let the action continue? Give hime a time-out? The ref was finishing his 10 count, and Lewis was stumbling into his chest... Lewis fans should thank that ref from saving Lewis from a beating that may have altered his career.

I wasn't specifying any posts to where you can't post about Wlad without not making an excuse. Asking do I have a reading problem shows you have a problem having respect for posts too when someone has negative opinions on Wlad.

Lewis beat the count, most people stumble a little when they get up until their legs regain balance, It doesn't say he was out If to be stopped. He wasn't exactly knackered like Wlad was when Brewster stopped him and he complained as soon as the ref waved It off.

Most big men would stumble a bit getting up a little fast.

A beating? Lewis recovered when It was waved off, how would he got a beating?

[Max Molyneux]

Let's not get into this here... but Oscar didn't get outboxed that is the point. Watch that fight in slow motion and you will be laughing your ass off as Floyd taps Oscar's gloves all night long. Outside of the begining of the 11th round where Floyd had a great spurt... he was slapping Oscar's gloves. Oscar showed up at the press conference looking like he hadn't even been in a fight, while both of Floyd's eyes were swelling up, with one almost swelled shut.
Not get Into this why?

Floyd Is not a puncher and DLH Is tough so he wouldn't be marked.

Most where simular when Mayorga lost to Spinks because Spinks keeps distance and Mayorga tries to brawl.

[Max Molyneux]

STFU bitch!

No.:D

[Fighting Weight]

Where am I making excuses? Do you have a reading problem? The person making excuses is you, saying that Lewis was ripped off... I didn't say that Wlad was ripped off, did I?

What is the ref supposed to do then? Steady Lewis until he is ready to fight, and then let the action continue? Give hime a time-out? The ref was finishing his 10 count, and Lewis was stumbling into his chest... Lewis fans should thank that ref from saving Lewis from a beating that may have altered his career.

Same way that VITLAYS fans need to thank the doctor for saving his eyesight in the Lewis fight you mean? Oops you don't like to admit that though do you?

No, you never said WALDO was ripped off, but in the past you've made some hilarious excuses for him :D

[Max Molyneux]

Vitali Is a sore loser, on Klits forum they were defending the way he treated Sanders after all he did was go over to Wlad to see If he was ok.

[Relentless]

vitlay is such an ass, wlad is a gentleman with class i admit but vitali is just an idiot.

[Fighting Weight]

Vitali Is a sore loser, on Klits forum they were defending the way he treated Sanders after all he did was go over to Wlad to see If he was ok.

VITLAY doesn't understand the concept of sport, his classless side comes out every single time he or WALDO faces adversity - look how he acted after the Lewis fight, pathetic behaviour for a man with half his face hanging off - Lewis should have just given him another slap for his cheek.

To be fair, in that instance WALDO restrained him.

[VIP]

I disagree with the thread starter. I haven't seen this fight so can't comment on the performance or the way that Brewster looked. But Wlad needed this fight to prove something. Next up is unification I guess.

[Max Molyneux]

Didn't he try to kick Lewis too when Lewis offered a hand to help him up?

[Fighting Weight]

And yes... Oscar did win that fight.:good

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Relentless]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

:twisted: :twisted: :fire

[franknstein]

Vitali Is a sore loser, on Klits forum they were defending the way he treated Sanders after all he did was go over to Wlad to see If he was ok.


?

[Fighting Weight]

Didn't he try to kick Lewis too when Lewis offered a hand to help him up?

Yep, and in true VITLAY style, he missed by a mile and nearly kicked himself in the chin.

In fact maybe he hit himself in the eye, which would explain a lot because Widdow is still convinced it wasn't punches that did all that damage :nut :nut :nut

[Max Molyneux]

Wonder how affected Vitali was when Pele Reid KO'ed him.

[Fighting Weight]

:twisted: :twisted: :fire

Look this is Oscar we're talking about, Window still thinks that Oscar beat STRUM and never shit his shorts against Hopkins, so just disagree, it's easier :good

[Relentless]

i dont blame lamon for quitting he was being outclassed but vitlay quit against byrd because of a sore shoulder.

[Fighting Weight]

Wonder how affected Vitali was when Pele Reid KO'ed him.

Absolutely no doubt Pele would have gottem KO'd in the 2nd round.

[franknstein]

Yep, and in true VITLAY style, he missed by a mile and nearly kicked himself in the chin.

In fact maybe he hit himself in the eye, which would explain a lot because Widdow is still convinced it wasn't punches that did all that damage :nut :nut :nut

Oh man, vitlay must really be all over your dreams...

[Fighting Weight]

Oh man, vitlay must really be all over your dreams...

What a disturbing post.

[Max Molyneux]

This guys all over Vitali's nightmares.

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[Drexl]

Again, Brewster said the eye was not a problem at all. Brewster was "inactive" coming into the first fight as well. Brewster showed up at 228 lbs in great shape.

....and Oscar said he was in great shape before the Sturm fight.

As if he'd say anything different. :roll:

Get a grip.

[Drexl]

Do you realize you are complimenting him.....Hell, if ya keep this up, some of the Vitali fans may start talking nice about Lewis! :hi:

When have I ever been anything other than complimentary towards Wlad?

[franknstein]

What a disturbing post.

What can I do? You're one tough SOB.

[Fighting Weight]

....and Oscar said he was in great shape before the Sturm fight.

As if he'd say anything different. :roll:

Get a grip.

I'm trying to remember the last time a fighter said before a fight 'I feel like shit, I've hardly trained and I've spent the last week eating pies and drinking beer' :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Drexl]

Are you acting like it is Wlad's fault that he can't get a unification fight? If so, then I would love to know why.... if not then why bring it up as if he had a choice? Would you rather him sit on the shelf until a unification fight falls in his lap?

Personally, I think this fight only enhances Wlad that much more within himself as he has knocked that monkey off of his back.
Wlad is the money fight and the prestige fight in the division.

If he wanted to unify any time since winning the title, he could have EASILY. You know this. There have been plenty of chances in the last few years since he became a belt-holder.

If he wanted it, it would happen. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

[Drexl]

I'm trying to remember the last time a fighter said before a fight 'I feel like shit, I've hardly trained and I've spent the last week eating pies and drinking beer' :rofl :rofl :rofl

Mayorga? :yep

[Drexl]

This is three years after his loss to Brewster. Brewster wouldn't give Wlad a rematch before now. Neither would Sanders, and both refused rematches openly.

So, what is the difference between Lennox Lewis revenging his loss against McCall 3 years later as well? Especially considering that McCall had lost too, and was fresh out of crack rehab to boot? Yet, that doesn't stop everyone from proclaiming Lennox the best for "defeating every man he ever faced".

What a double standard.

There are still 2 fighters Wlad lost to that there has been no attempt to rematch no matter how much later. So it is not double standards because it is not the same situation.

[Suge Green]

Wlad is the money fight and the prestige fight in the division.

If he wanted to unify any time since winning the title, he could have EASILY. You know this. There have been plenty of chances in the last few years since he became a belt-holder.

If he wanted it, it would happen. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

Good to see your still dishing out the facts on these KLIT_ites.

One occurence comes to mind off the top of my head...after Sergei beat up Brew (before we all diecided Brew was shot), he was begging for a match with KLIT, but he was tied up with Briggs...who somehow became Brock...:oops:

[Fighting Weight]

Mayorga? :yep

Well OK yeah but to be fair he usually won on that kind of training :lol:

[Drexl]

Hey Drexl,
You´re a good poster...you can separate feelings from facts...I like that !!!

You dont blame Wlad for not making this rematch earlier, are you ??? :huh

No, I actually don't need to see these rematches at all. Wlad was clearly beter than Brewser in the first fight until he gassed out. I don't need to see this fight to know that 99 times out of 100 Wlad beats Brewster.

[Fighting Weight]

There are still 2 fighters Wlad lost to that there has been no attempt to rematch no matter how much later. So it is not double standards because it is not the same situation.

Yes but those defeats have been avenged by Klitschko and well you know it, so WALDO is now officially undefeated again :nut :nut :nut

[Drexl]

What I now expect from Wlad is exactly what lennox was saying in one of the post fight interviews: He now has to fight the very best, nothing less.

And if he does that, I will be happy.

I'm not holding my breath though.

[oblate]

A better version of Wlad beat a worse version of Brewster.

HOLY SHITFUCK! WHAT A SHOCK!! :roll:


Wlad is head & sholders the best HW in the division and needs to unify to prove it. This fight was as predictable as Wlad vs Austin and about as (in)significant.

I can't remember who it was, but I made a month-off bet against someone that Wlad's next fight after Brock would not be a unification and I got jumped on by the fanclub. Then I made a thread saying the same thing after the Austin fight and again I just got called a hater.

I -honest to God- like Wlad. But he is frustrating the hell out of me by wasting his prime on this trash.
who else could he have fought. Maskaev peter will be fighting and chagaev and ibragimov will be fighting. Here atleast he got to avenge his loss. As predictable as the outcome were i still saw many posts that said "brewster will crush wlad again" and "brewster has wlads number" so it wasn't a waste of time.

[Drexl]

who else could he have fought. Maskaev peter will be fighting and chagaev and ibragimov will be fighting. Here atleast he got to avenge his loss. As predictable as the outcome were i still saw many posts that said "brewster will crush wlad again" and "brewster has wlads number" so it wasn't a waste of time.

Ibrag-Chagaev has only just been agreed. A fight with either was possible when the Brewster fight was first made.

Anyway, this isn't just about this fight it's about the whole time since Wlad won the title.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

There are still 2 fighters Wlad lost to that there has been no attempt to rematch no matter how much later. So it is not double standards because it is not the same situation.
That is a lie... and you know it. Why do you post lies, so that the same arguments happen over and over?

Wlad had a rematch SET with Puritty, and Ross pulled out of the fight with an injury.

Wlad went as far as to ask the WBO to force an immediate rematch with Sanders, and was rejected. Sanders openly denied Wlad a rematch, and sat on the shelf doing nothing. He was then forced to defend his title against his manditory, Brewster... with Wladimir waiting in the wings to fight the winner for the title. Wladimir fought Nicholson to keep his ranking and fight Sanders if he beat Brewster.... Sanders ended up dropping the title rather than fighting Brewster. Then, Sanders in a video interview with M a x b o x i n g ... openly stated that Wladimir had been trying to secure a rematch with him since their fight, but he wasn't going to give him one unless he beat Vitali. He lost to Vitali, and the rest is history.

How the hell is that Wladimir's fault? He can't force people into the ring with him. I have told you all of this before, and provided everything needed to back it up... now it is just getting old because either you have memory loss, or you do it to purposely annoy.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Wlad is the money fight and the prestige fight in the division.

If he wanted to unify any time since winning the title, he could have EASILY. You know this. There have been plenty of chances in the last few years since he became a belt-holder.

If he wanted it, it would happen. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
WTF? The last few years? Wladimir just won his title 15 months ago!:lol: Where is your head at? When Wlad first won his title, it was common knowledge that the WBA and WBO belt holders had mandatory obligations that they were meeting. Wladimir fought Brock after Maskaev finally turned down a fight that was just about finalized between the two, for a unifcation of the WBC. So, Wlad took on an undefeated Top contender considered the best American contender out there. Then, Wlad himself was forced to fight his manditory in Ray Austin.... and now got his revenge by beating Brewster in a rematch. This rematch probably does more for his career than beating one of the so called belt holders out there who wouldn't even have a shot against him. At least he gets the satisfaction of people no longer claiming he didn't have the balls to rematch Brewster.

Other than that, you are talking out of your ass. Acting like just because Wlad is the money, that he can have any fight he wants. As if he will let Don King own him for a shot at one of his fighters. For the guys who aren't under King, none of them even express an interest in fighting him. You act like everyone is trying to cash in on one fight against Wlad, lose, and then go to the back of the line. These guys have titles and are trying to cash in on being champions, not lose their title. Their management want them nowhere near Wlad. And for good reason, I can't see NOT ONE of the current champs posing a serious threat to Wlad.

[thesandman]

WTF? The last few years? Wladimir just won his title 15 months ago!:lol: Where is your head at? When Wlad first won his title, it was common knowledge that the WBA and WBO belt holders had mandatory obligations that they were meeting. Wladimir fought Brock after Maskaev finally turned down a fight that was just about finalized between the two, for a unifcation of the WBC. So, Wlad took on an undefeated Top contender considered the best American contender out there. Then, Wlad himself was forced to fight his manditory in Ray Austin.... and now got his revenge by beating Brewster in a rematch. This rematch probably does more for his career than beating one of the so called belt holders out there who wouldn't even have a shot against him. At least he gets the satisfaction of people no longer claiming he didn't have the balls to rematch Brewster.

Other than that, you are talking out of your ass. Acting like just because Wlad is the money, that he can have any fight he wants. As if he will let Don King own him for a shot at one of his fighters. For the guys who aren't under King, none of them even express an interest in fighting him. You act like everyone is trying to cash in on one fight against Wlad, lose, and then go to the back of the line. These guys have titles and are trying to cash in on being champions, not lose their title. Their management want them nowhere near Wlad. And for good reason, I can't see NOT ONE of the current champs posing a serious threat to Wlad.

So you're saying that Wald is going to do nothing more than fight mandatories for the rest of his career then?

I've given Wald a bit of a pass until now - I agree, he had to fight Brewster. He was always going to win, but he had to fight him.

Where he goes from here will be telling IMO. And plenty of guys are keen to fight Wald. don't talk like the whole division is running from him.

Don King doesn't have to own anyone. Plenty of guys have fought King fighters without being owned by them. Wald needs to get himself new advisors if he can't.

I didn't say that Wlad was ripped off, did I?

No mate, you said he was drugged.

[maciek4]

WTF? The last few years? Wladimir just won his title 15 months ago!:lol: Where is your head at? When Wlad first won his title, it was common knowledge that the WBA and WBO belt holders had mandatory obligations that they were meeting. Wladimir fought Brock after Maskaev finally turned down a fight that was just about finalized between the two, for a unifcation of the WBC. So, Wlad took on an undefeated Top contender considered the best American contender out there. Then, Wlad himself was forced to fight his manditory in Ray Austin.... and now got his revenge by beating Brewster in a rematch. This rematch probably does more for his career than beating one of the so called belt holders out there who wouldn't even have a shot against him. At least he gets the satisfaction of people no longer claiming he didn't have the balls to rematch Brewster.

Other than that, you are talking out of your ass. Acting like just because Wlad is the money, that he can have any fight he wants. As if he will let Don King own him for a shot at one of his fighters. For the guys who aren't under King, none of them even express an interest in fighting him. You act like everyone is trying to cash in on one fight against Wlad, lose, and then go to the back of the line. These guys have titles and are trying to cash in on being champions, not lose their title. Their management want them nowhere near Wlad. And for good reason, I can't see NOT ONE of the current champs posing a serious threat to Wlad.

I agree. If Wlad generated the money that DLH does they would all be lining up to fight him, but he doesnt. For the same reason Cotto and Hatton havent fought Floyd Mayweather yet even though that fight would make huge money for them.

[Drexl]

WTF? The last few years? Wladimir just won his title 15 months ago!:lol: Where is your head at?

Including when he held the WBO, jackass.

:roll:

[Drexl]

I agree. If Wlad generated the money that DLH does they would all be lining up to fight him, but he doesnt. For the same reason Cotto and Hatton havent fought Floyd Mayweather yet even though that fight would make huge money for them.
NOBODY generates the same money as DLH. :patsch

Up until the DLH fight, Cotto and Hatton both generated more money than Floyd. Who at HW generates more than Wlad? Anybody that offers a title shot as well?

If a fighter has a chance to fight any HEAVYWEIGHT, who would he get the most respect for beating?

[Drexl]

That is a lie... and you know it. Why do you post lies, so that the same arguments happen over and over?

Wlad had a rematch SET with Puritty, and Ross pulled out of the fight with an injury.
Then what? Did Puritty retire?


As for Sanders, he was told he HAD to fight Brewster or be stripped, but took the Vitali fight instead as a last big payday. I don't recall any offer from Wlad. Link or STFU. Wlad's team seemed more interested in re-building his confidencewith the Fabio Moli fight. NOT The Nicholson fight, that came later.

If Wlad REALLY wanted the Sanders rematch, Vitali could have refused to fight him until he gave his brother the rematch. As it was they followed the old "if my brother beats him, that's my revenge...sort of..." line that they seem so fond of.

[Drexl]

Oh please Wlad was dragged into fighting Austin for fear of being stripped.:lol:



9 times out of 10 if a champ applies for an exemption to his mandatory in order to attempt to unify, it is granted.

[maciek4]

NOBODY generates the same money as DLH. :patsch

Up until the DLH fight, Cotto and Hatton both generated more money than Floyd. Who at HW generates more than Wlad? Anybody that offers a title shot as well?

If a fighter has a chance to fight any HEAVYWEIGHT, who would he get the most respect for beating?

Yeah but facing Wlad is facing doom, its saying bye bye to your career, who wants to risk that for the amount of money they are offered? (its not DLH type of money). Its safer to defend your belt like Ruiz and Byrd did.

[SAS2]

You guys are whacked. Wlad is huge money in Europe. And last time I checked the Euro was doing a f#ck of a lot better than the dollar. Go back to school and study Economics 101, then post.

After Oscars last performance you can bet he won't get another payday like he did against Mayweather.

[Ivo]

No, people said he needed to avenge his losses after they happened, not a bunch of years later when the opponent has been inactive, is coming off a loss and had major eye-surgery.

BTW I am not one of those people. Look at my posts & you will see I always said this fight was a farce and a waste of everybody\'s time.


No, people do not make it look like Wladimir Klitschko has never expressed a desire to fight Brewster before the Liakhovich fight. You made it look like Wladimir Klitschko waited diligently for the Liakhovich fight and afterwards he suddenly started talking about rematching Brewster. People wonder why Brewster fought Kali Meehan who barely made top 15 instead of giving Wladimir Klitschko a rematch. Brewster promoter Don King did not want this rematch so it was not possible. But King could not stop Wladimir Klitschko from taking the IBF belt. With a belt Wladimri Klitschko could control the situation and he looked after an immidiate rematch.

Brewster has been inactive before the first fight as well. So then it was OK, now it played bad for him?

So you would rather see Wladimir fighting with someone barely making top 15? Or maybe wait a year for a mandatory defense? Thus it would not have been a waste of time?

[Rudolph]

people de facto are already calling him the man and saying he is the best.
Why?
How?
He is #1 contender for the vacant 1 belt.
Ibrag vs Chag will tie him after one of them wins it.


Making either of these two number 1 is unjustified, Slava. Why? How? Just because each have a belt and they decided to fight each other? It's not the belt that makes the person, it's the other way round. Wlad's crop of victims and the way he dispatched of them is miles ahead from both Ruslan and Sultan's achievements to date. Whoever wins - Chagaev or Igragimov - is going to become second best. No tying the first place with Wlad.

[Rudolph]

Actually Byrd was the world's number one and longest reigning heavyweight champion who became a blown-up middleweight nobody after having lost to Klitschko again...

[Drexl]

You made it look like Wladimir Klitschko waited diligently for the Liakhovich fight and afterwards he suddenly started talking about rematching Brewster.
Where did I say that???? :think

I said this rematch never needed to happen because this was not like Wlad's other losses - it was totally one sided in Wlad's favor before he ran out of gas. Even Puritty didn't get manhandled like Brewster.

With a belt Wladimri Klitschko could control the situation and he looked after an immidiate rematch.
Immediate?
...don't you mean after Brock and Austin... :blood

Brewster has been inactive before the first fight as well. So then it was OK, now it played bad for him?
In a way, yes, because this time it was a layoff that included major surgery and this time he was 34 instead of 30. Also last time he had the "Buster Douglas factor" because someone close to him had just died and he used that to spur him on to over-perform.

But as I already said, he was getting smashed the first time as well before Wlad gassed so it's not like he was that much better last time.

So you would rather see Wladimir fighting with someone barely making top 15? Or maybe wait a year for a mandatory defense? Thus it would not have been a waste of time?
No. I'd rather have seen him make a fight against another champion. There were 4 to choose from. Some are tied up now but weren't when Wlad was looking to make his next fight.

[Ivo]

Where did I say that???? :think

I said this rematch never needed to happen because this was not like Wlad\\\\\\\'s other losses - it was totally one sided in Wlad\\\\\\\'s favor before he ran out of gas. Even Puritty didn\\\\\\\'t get manhandled like Brewster.


It needed to happen because of the outside influence in the first fight.


Immediate?
...don\\\\\\\'t you mean after Brock and Austin... :blood


No, I do not.



In a way, yes, because this time it was a layoff that included major surgery and this time he was 34 instead of 30. Also last time he had the \\\\\\\"Buster Douglas factor\\\\\\\" because someone close to him had just died and he used that to spur him on to over-perform.

But as I already said, he was getting smashed the first time as well before Wlad gassed so it\\\\\\\'s not like he was that much better last time.


So, you agree that Wladimir makes the difference in both cases not Brewster inactivity.


No. I\\\\\\\'d rather have seen him make a fight against another champion. There were 4 to choose from. Some are tied up now but weren\\\\\\\'t when Wlad was looking to make his next fight.

Like whom? Did you follow boxing at all? It is not a rethoric question so I expect a honest answer. I thought one might have noticed that at the time Wladimir decided to fight Brewster, Maskaev was tied with Peter, Valuev with Chagaev and Briggs with Ibragimov. For the fourth I have no idea what you are talking about because there is only 4 respectable organizations. Maybe that mysterous forth was the key available champion to choose?

[Drexl]

It needed to happen because of the outside influence in the first fight.

Bullshit. 10000% bullshit weak-ass excuse.

All of the Klit conspiracies from that fight have been blow out of the water by the doctors and examiners involved.

Wlad ran out of gas and lost. Deal with it.

No, I do not.

So explain to me how 3 fights later is "immediate".


So, you agree that Wladimir makes the difference in both cases not Brewster inactivity.

Yes. AS I SAID BEFORE THE FIGHT!
I said Wlad was better before he ran out of gas the first time so now that he has learned how to pace himself Berwster has zero chance. Go back and look at my posts.


Like whom?

Ok, it's everybody else's fault as usual. Other fighters in the past have managed to unify, but in the case of both Klits nobody is ever available. :lol::lol::lol:

The 4 others I was referring to included Valuev, who was mentioned as a possible opponent to Wlad while he was a "Champion". In fact I'll make it 5 because they also talked about unifying with Briggs.... but that never happened either (surprise surprise!!):yep

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Then what? Did Puritty retire?


As for Sanders, he was told he HAD to fight Brewster or be stripped, but took the Vitali fight instead as a last big payday. I don't recall any offer from Wlad. Link or STFU. Wlad's team seemed more interested in re-building his confidencewith the Fabio Moli fight. NOT The Nicholson fight, that came later.

If Wlad REALLY wanted the Sanders rematch, Vitali could have refused to fight him until he gave his brother the rematch. As it was they followed the old "if my brother beats him, that's my revenge...sort of..." line that they seem so fond of.
Everytime that I think you are an alright poster who knows what he is talking about, you prove me wrong.

How the hell am I supposed to provide a link to a m a x b o x i ng video interview from over 3 years ago? It isn't my fault that you don't follow the sport as closely as I do. You act like there is a linnk floating around the internet to validate every offer that a boxer has ever made to another. Just like before Wlad rematched Brewster you acted as if he never tried to rematch him, and that he never would.

Also, Vitali was the mandatory challenger to Lewis when Lewis retired and vacated the WBC title. The WBC ordered Vitali to fight Sanders for the Vacant WBC Title, since they were the #1 and #2 contenders in the WBC. Had Vitali refused that fight, then Sanders would have been able to fight the next available contender for the Vacant WBC Title. Vitali should have turned that fight down?:lol: Holy shit, you would make an awful business manager. Not only did what you say make no sense at all, obviously you weren't even aware that was a title fight for the Vacant WBC title. You are sitting there saying that Vitali should have refused to fight him, because Sanders wouldn't grant Wlad a rematch!:rofl Wow... that would have done a lot of good.

At least it is good to know that you don't give Lewis any credit for his rematch victory over McCall. In your own words, I mean... it was 3 years later, after McCall had already been beat... and he was fresh out of crack rehab to boot. All of this time, I thought that you used to brag about how Lewis "beat every man he ever faced".

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Including when he held the WBO, jackass.

:roll:
Wow, Wlad hadn't been WBO Champ for over 4 years!:rofl You said in the last few years since he has been champ. You really don't know what you are talking about do you? He has been Champ for 15 months. Before that, he was WBO Champ over 4 years ago. Don't pretend like you were saying that he should have unified back then... as he was the #1 ranked Contender by Ring Mag, and Lewis was the undisputed Champion. He said since day one of winning that title that he wanted to fight Lewis. He called Lewis out after every single fight, and Lewis always shrugged it off and kept quite about Wlad. Hell... Larry Merchant even went off on Lennox and Don King when they were having a ringside discussion about the heavyweight picture. They were talking about how Lewis dropped his WBA and IBF titles, and that Don was trying to put a tournament together for other heavyweights to win those titles. Don King mentioned who he had in mind for the tournament (didn't include Wladimir), and Lewis backed him up by saying it was a great idea. Larry Merchant then got pissed and said "No, what you are trying to do is crown an american heavyweight Champion for Lennox to fight. The real question is when you are finally accept a fight with the best fighter in the division, Wladimir Klitschko?"... and Lewis wouldn't even reply... he said, well... that isn't a question for me.


So... either way... that is neither here nor there, because you obviously just didn't know what you were talking about as you said over the last few years since Wlad has been champ. When he has only been Champ for 15 months.

[Ivo]

Bullshit. 10000% bullshit weak-ass excuse.

All of the Klit conspiracies from that fight have been blow out of the water by the doctors and examiners involved.

Wlad ran out of gas and lost. Deal with it.


BS. You should deal with accepting the outside influenced. I have no reasons whatsoever to question someone like Vitali Klitschko. He knows better than you do what happened.


So explain to me how 3 fights later is \"immediate\".

I told you that Brewster decided to fight Meehan instead of Wladimir. How the hell could Wladimir order Brewster to fight him? Now with the belt Wladimir could pick opponents. Before it was up to Brewster and his promoter.


Ok, it\'s everybody else\'s fault as usual. Other fighters in the past have managed to unify, but in the case of both Klits nobody is ever available. :lol::lol::lol:

The 4 others I was referring to included Valuev, who was mentioned as a possible opponent to Wlad while he was a \"Champion\". In fact I\'ll make it 5 because they also talked about unifying with Briggs.... but that never happened either (surprise surprise!!):yep

Still I can see those 4 champions available for Wladimir. Someone has math problems obviously. Read my mesage again and you will find out who were the 3, I repeat the 3, other champions of which no one was available for Wladimir for July 7. Have a nice reading.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

In his last 5 fights, Wladimir has dominated then undefeated top contender Sam Peter for 10 of the 12 rounds in their fight in the IBF tlte eliminator. He then easily dominated and brutally knocked out the #1 Ring magazine fighter in the world in Chris Byrd. Then he brutally knocked out the highest ranked American contender in the undefeated Calvin Brock. Then, he filled his mandatory by easily destroyed his IBF #1 contender in Ray Austin. Just over the weekend he avenged his last defeat by dominating Lamon Brewster, who was also the highest ranked fighter available to fight him. By doing so, not only did he avenge his defeat, but he got credit for filling another mandatory by the IBF for fighting the highest ranked contender available... and frees up his next fight to be an optional defense.


Yet, the man is ragged on!

So that is...

Sam Peter (Undefeated top contender currently ranked #2 by ring mag)
Chris Byrd (#1 ranked by Ring Mag, IBF Champion)
Calvin Brock (Undefeated, top contender)
Ray Austin (mandatory defense, IBF #1 contender had just fought to a draw with Ibragimov)
Lamon Brewster (Former Champ, last person to beat Wlad, and highest available contender to fight)

Yet, Wlad gets ragged on for who he is fighting.

[maciek4]

In his last 5 fights, Wladimir has dominated then undefeated top contender Sam Peter for 10 of the 12 rounds in their fight in the IBF tlte eliminator. He then easily dominated and brutally knocked out the #1 Ring magazine fighter in the world in Chris Byrd. Then he brutally knocked out the highest ranked American contender in the undefeated Calvin Brock. Then, he filled his mandatory by easily destroyed his IBF #1 contender in Ray Austin. Just over the weekend he avenged his last defeat by dominating Lamon Brewster, who was also the highest ranked fighter available to fight him. By doing so, not only did he avenge his defeat, but he got credit for filling another mandatory by the IBF for fighting the highest ranked contender available... and frees up his next fight to be an optional defense.


Yet, the man is ragged on!

So that is...

Sam Peter (Undefeated top contender currently ranked #2 by ring mag)
Chris Byrd (#1 ranked by Ring Mag, IBF Champion)
Calvin Brock (Undefeated, top contender)
Ray Austin (mandatory defense, IBF #1 contender had just fought to a draw with Ibragimov)
Lamon Brewster (Former Champ, last person to beat Wlad, and highest available contender to fight)

Yet, Wlad gets ragged on for who he is fighting.

They are simply trying to find anything to make Wlad not look superior and dominant. The only thing left is other belts. Its not even about the guys who have these belts as they would still discredit Wlad for fighting Ibragimov if he wasnt a belt holder, this is afterall a guy who drew with Austin and was even knocked down. Oleg Maskaev is a guy who is old and was knocked out by Tua, Mccall, T-rex Sanders and Kirk Johnson.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

They are simply trying to find anything to make Wlad not look superior and dominant. The only thing left is other belts. Its not even about the guys who have these belts as they would still discredit Wlad for fighting Ibragimov if he wasnt a belt holder, this is afterall a guy who drew with Austin and was even knocked down. Oleg Maskaev is a guy who is old and was knocked out by Tua, Mccall, T-rex Sanders and Kirk Johnson.
Yes, the same group who will never realize that the Champions make the belts, the belt doesn't make the Champion. Wladimir is easily regarded as the man in the division, whether or not the other titles are constantly changing hands due to subpar Champs.

[Drexl]

Wow, Wlad hadn't been WBO Champ for over 4 years! You said in the last few years since he has been champ.
I already told you I was including when he was WBO champ. If my definition of "a few years" is longer than yours, you have to deal with it. That's what I meant.

Both Byrd and Ruiz were "champs" in the time theat Wlad held the WBO belt, as well as Lewis.

But I now understand that it is always everybody else's fault when it comes to the Klits and unification. :roll:

[Drexl]

BS. You should deal with accepting the outside influenced. I have no reasons whatsoever to question someone like Vitali Klitschko. He knows better than you do what happened.

And the doctors involved know more than Vitali. And they all shoot the Klit claims down in flames.

The excuses are just that - excuses. Wlad lost fair & square. Stop crying.


Still I can see those 4 champions available for Wladimir. Someone has math problems obviously. Read my mesage again and you will find out who were the 3, I repeat the 3, other champions of which no one was available for Wladimir for July 7. Have a nice reading.

Read MY message again and you will find out there were AT LEAST FIVE "champions" during Wlad's reign who were mentioned as possible opponents, but the fights never happened.

Have a nice reading? What does that even mean?? :lol::lol::lol:

[Drew101]

I dunno Drex...

There weren't that many compelling fights to be made in the heavyweight ranks at the moment, and Brewster was still a rated contender who had previously defeated WK. Since Peter was fighting Maskaev, and Briggs (WBO champ at the time) was facing Ibragimov, then there really wasn't another attractive option to fight. Chagaev was the only other option, I suppose...but in terms of risk-reward, it didn't really benefit either fighter to make that particular match, right now.

The win doesn't tell us anything that we don't already know, but, given the barren landscape of the division, it's not a bad name to have on one's resume.

[chewy 22]

its a shame the klitsckos are brothers, that would be a good fight, which Vitali would win

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I already told you I was including when he was WBO champ. If my definition of "a few years" is longer than yours, you have to deal with it. That's what I meant.

Both Byrd and Ruiz were "champs" in the time theat Wlad held the WBO belt, as well as Lewis.

But I now understand that it is always everybody else's fault when it comes to the Klits and unification. :roll:
How long are you going to drag your mistake out? Now you are pretending that you were talking about back when he was WBO Champ?:rofl Wlad had just obliterated Byrd for the WBO title... so now you are knocking him for not fighting Byrd earlier for the IBF Title directly after that? You are the same person who came out after Wlad destroyed Byrd in the rematch and said that it shows you nothing because you already seen Wlad beat him before.

Obviously you are one of the shitty boxing "fans" who can never be pleased. I am sure that you will have a problem with whoever Wlad secured a unification fight with too, right? I bet that you will also blame Wlad for the fact that the WBC is in a huge mess, where he couldn't get a unification fight for that title for at least a year and a half. The WBO and WBA titles are already scheduled to fight each other... so are you going to have a problem with Wladimir staying busy and taking on more contenders? Or should Wlad sit on the shelf and wait until the other titles finish all of their business?

I mean, obviously this sport is about pleasing you. Clearly you don't approve of him taking this time to avenge defeats, or fight top ranked contenders. Wlad should create another world title, and give it to his next opponent before their fight. Maybe in your eyes the fight would be worth more all of the sudden.

The belts are nothing more than a bargaining tool these days. The Champion is decided in the ring, and Wladimir has already shown himself to be the true Champ in the division.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I almost feel bad for the Klitschko haters... in order to continue their hate through times like these... they have to make themselves look absolutely retarded.

[Drexl]

I dunno Drex...

There weren't that many compelling fights to be made in the heavyweight ranks at the moment, and Brewster was still a rated contender who had previously defeated WK. Since Peter was fighting Maskaev, and Briggs (WBO champ at the time) was facing Ibragimov, then there really wasn't another attractive option to fight. Chagaev was the only other option, I suppose...but in terms of risk-reward, it didn't really benefit either fighter to make that particular match, right now.

The win doesn't tell us anything that we don't already know, but, given the barren landscape of the division, it's not a bad name to have on one's resume.

Unification is what we need for the good of the sport.

[Lance_Uppercut]

This is three years after his loss to Brewster. Brewster wouldn't give Wlad a rematch before now. Neither would Sanders, and both refused rematches openly.

So, what is the difference between Lennox Lewis revenging his loss against McCall 3 years later as well? Especially considering that McCall had lost too, and was fresh out of crack rehab to boot? Yet, that doesn't stop everyone from proclaiming Lennox the best for "defeating every man he ever faced".

What a double standard.

Widdow....this approach actually hurts your argument. No one hold the Lewis rematch in very high regard.

[Drexl]

How long are you going to drag your mistake out? Now you are pretending that you were talking about back when he was WBO Champ?

That IS what I was talking about. Did Wlad unify when he was WBO champ?
Sorry if it doesn't fit in with your rant, but that is what I'm saying and you just have to learn to deal with it.


Obviously you are one of the shitty boxing "fans" who can never be pleased.

Not true. I was very happy when we had a unified undisputed champion.


I am sure that you will have a problem with whoever Wlad secured a unification fight with too, right?


I am sure you are wrong. You can't decide how I feel about anything.

Again, I'm sorry that I don't fit neatly into your box marked "Klitschko haters". Wlad is my favourite HW. That doesn't stop me from being frustrated that he's wating his prime when he could be cementing his legacy. I also said countless times when Vitali was champ that he would easily beat any of the other paper champs if he actually fought them. He never did so his actual achievements will forever roughly match those of Tony Tucker. I don't want Wlad to go down the same path.

As I have said before, he demolish all of the mandatories and second-rate optionals he wants, but unless he unifies he will forever go down as just another belt-holder and we all know he is capable of more than that. His achievements don't match his talent at the moment.

[Drexl]

I almost feel bad for the Klitschko haters... in order to continue their hate through times like these... they have to make themselves look absolutely retarded.

No, retarded is posting the Judd Burstein letter that has been completely discredited by the people ACTUALLY INVOLVED with the situation.

You are starting to sound like Farmboxer. That is a very bad thing indeed.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

No, retarded is posting the Judd Burstein letter that has been completely discredited by the people ACTUALLY INVOLVED with the situation.

You are starting to sound like Farmboxer. That is a very bad thing indeed.
I was simply providing information for those who were asking for it. I have said since day one that "something" was wrong with Wlad. I don't know what it was, and to tell you the truth, I don't even care anymore. It doesn't even matter. Wlad has outgrown where he was 3 years ago, and everything that he went through in the past created the great fighter that you see today.

[Drexl]

It doesn't even matter. Wlad has outgrown where he was 3 years ago, and everything that he went through in the past created the great fighter that you see today.
I agree. :good

But that would have happened anyway without all of the bitching, crying and excuse-making.

Just like if Vitali had taken the Lewis defeat like a man, moved on and unified the titles (which he could have done easily against either Byrd or Ruiz) instead of fighting Danny Williams and talking about Lennox 24/7, he would be remembered for more than losing the biggest fight of his life.

[thesandman]

Just like if Vitali had taken the Lewis defeat like a man, moved on and unified the titles (which he could have done easily against either Byrd or Ruiz) instead of fighting Danny Williams and talking about Lennox 24/7, he would be remembered for more than losing the biggest fight of his life.

OUCH.......

[Drexl]

OUCH.......

It's true though.

There's always an excuse with the Klitschkos and more specifically with their most fanatical supporters for either the losses or for why unifications have never happened.

It's always someone else's fault. :roll:

[thesandman]

It's true though.

There's always an excuse with the Klitschkos and more specifically with their most fanatical supporters for either the losses or for why unifications have never happened.

It's always someone else's fault. :roll:

Remember the "Sanders stepped on Walds foot" one? That was beauty.

Or

Lennox's dreadlocks were too sharp, and then he called in his paid for black doctor to stop the fight when he was tired?

Or a recent one:

Kirk Johnson being morbidly obese had NO impact on his performance, as the fight was so short. (I've already seen a post saying Sanders being 41 doesn't matter because he never had good stamina anyway......)



I've got to stop or I'll be here for hours....

[Ivo]

And the doctors involved know more than Vitali. And they all shoot the Klit claims down in flames.

The excuses are just that - excuses. Wlad lost fair & square. Stop crying.



They did not. Doctors have never excluded the outside influence. They registered some abnormalities in Wladimir\'s blood indicators. They cannot investigate who did it. They just registered it.

So the excuses come from your part. You make those excuses and you should accept the outside influence in the first fight. :D


Read MY message again and you will find out there were AT LEAST FIVE \"champions\" during Wlad\'s reign who were mentioned as possible opponents, but the fights never happened.


Did I not tell you to read MY message? It seems that you did not because you still talking about some fiction champions. Now I see you put inverted commas to fix your mistakes. I guess it is a good sign and you understand how mistaken you were. Just in case I will repeat especially for you. There were 3 champions of which no one was available for July 7. I hope tha\'s clear enough. :D


Have a nice reading? What does that even mean?? :lol::lol::lol:



It means that you should read more and punch the keyboard less. But I guess you are writer not a reader. ;)

[Drexl]

They did not. Doctors have never excluded the outside influence.
No, they just said it was highly unlikely and that NOTHING INDICATES AN OUTSIDE INFLUENCE.

The results of Wlad's tests were normal if glucose was in his IV drip on the way to the hospital AS PER NORMAL PROCEDURE, and they said the samples were destroyed when the Klitschko's didn't request for them to be kept AS PER NORMAL PROCEDURE.

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Did I not tell you to read MY message? It seems that you did not because you still talking about some fiction champions.
How many times must you be told that I was referring to ALL OF THE CHAMPS MENTIONED AS POTENTIAL WLAD OPPONENTS DURING HIS TITLE REIGN. AND THAT IS AT LEAST FIVE.

You cannot tell me what I meant. I tell YOU what I meant.

LEARN TO READ FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!

Was Briggs a fictional champion or real? Was Valuev a fictional champion? Did I just dream those title reigns?

Oh, and the inverted commas are there because thet all held a version of the title, not the undisputed title. Therefore they were "champions" rather than Champions. Look over my posts and you'll see I regularly refer to belt-holders that way.


It means that you should read more and punch the keyboard less. But I guess you are writer not a reader. ;)
Yes, and I write IN ENGLISH.

[Ivo]

No, they just said it was highly unlikely and that NOTHING INDICATES AN OUTSIDE INFLUENCE.

The results of Wlad\'s tests were normal if glucose was in his IV drip on the way to the hospital AS PER NORMAL PROCEDURE, and they said the samples were destroyed when the Klitschko\'s didn\'t request for them to be kept AS PER NORMAL PROCEDURE.

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Do not waste my time with incorrect articles. The article says that Sanders knocked out Wladimir which is simply not true. And I do not care what Don King saw in Wladimir\'s eyes. SO Klitschko is suuposed to know all about hospital procedures for keeping samples? If the author is so wrong about one thing there is not a guaratee that his whole article is not full of mistakes.



How many times must you be told that I was referring to ALL OF THE CHAMPS MENTIONED AS POTENTIAL WLAD OPPONENTS DURING HIS TITLE REIGN. AND THAT IS AT LEAST FIVE.

You cannot tell me what I meant. I tell YOU what I meant.

LEARN TO READ FOR FUCK\'S SAKE!!

Was Briggs a fictional champion or real? Was Valuev a fictional champion? Did I just dream those title reigns?

Oh, and the inverted commas are there because thet all held a version of the title, not the undisputed title. Therefore they were \"champions\" rather than Champions. Look over my posts and you\'ll see I regularly refer to belt-holders that way.


Read my messages and you will see the 3 champions of which no one was available for July 7. I am not going to repeat them just for you. We were not talking about Wladimir\'s fights in general but for this particular one. And for this particular fight he could possible face only 3 other champions. I do not give a flying fuck how you call them in your posts. 3 champions are 3 champions (WBC, WBA and WBO). All three had fights on their own. Like I said you are more of a writer than a reader.



Yes, and I write IN ENGLISH.

Good for you. I guess you should be proud of yourself for such a great achievement.

[Fighting Weight]

Do not waste my time with incorrect articles. The article says that Sanders knocked out Wladimir which is simply not true.

:patsch

[Relentless]

:patsch

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[Ivo]

:patsch


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[Ivo]

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[Mr "T"]

This is three years after his loss to Brewster. Brewster wouldn't give Wlad a rematch before now. Neither would Sanders, and both refused rematches openly.

So, what is the difference between Lennox Lewis revenging his loss against McCall 3 years later as well? Especially considering that McCall had lost too, and was fresh out of crack rehab to boot? Yet, that doesn't stop everyone from proclaiming Lennox the best for "defeating every man he ever faced".

What a double standard.
Great point:good, you caught Drex flat -out red-handed with a "flaming" double standard.:yep He should have thought this one out, first.

[Mr "T"]

There are still 2 fighters Wlad lost to that there has been no attempt to rematch no matter how much later. So it is not double standards because it is not the same situation.:nut :huh

[Fighting Weight]

Great point:good, you caught Drex flat -out red-handed with a "flaming" double standard.:yep He should have thought this one out, first.

I think you need to re-read the part about 'defeating every man he ever faced' again to see why the situation is different. Window even points this out in his own post for fucks sake :rofl :deal

[EpsilonAxis]

A better version of Wlad beat a worse version of Brewster.

HOLY SHITFUCK! WHAT A SHOCK!! :roll:


Wlad is head & sholders the best HW in the division and needs to unify to prove it. This fight was as predictable as Wlad vs Austin and about as (in)significant.

I can't remember who it was, but I made a month-off bet against someone that Wlad's next fight after Brock would not be a unification and I got jumped on by the fanclub. Then I made a thread saying the same thing after the Austin fight and again I just got called a hater.

I -honest to God- like Wlad. But he is frustrating the hell out of me by wasting his prime on this trash.

Here we go.

Thank you Drexl.

While you are not a troll...you sometimes develop "troll tendencies" :lol:

And the fight looked like a carbon copy of their first fight, but without Wlad tiring out. I don't see how any judgments can be made about whether this was a "worse" Brewster.

[EpsilonAxis]

As far as unification goes, no one unified during Don King's time in the spotlight.

Now that he's out, you can give Wlad some flack. But there's also been a lot of poor timing as far as his fights, comparatively to other champions...

Not to mention...the other champions keep LOSING their title!

[Mr "T"]

I think you need to re-read the part about 'defeating every man he ever faced' again to see why the situation is different. Window even points this out in his own post for fucks sake :rofl :deal
I'ts not different. Widdow's remarks were spot on,Drexl got caught in a embarrassing double-standard and there no explaining otherwise. You conveniently bring in some other caveats, to rationalize your theory, but it doesn't fly.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

It's true though.

There's always an excuse with the Klitschkos and more specifically with their most fanatical supporters for either the losses or for why unifications have never happened.

It's always someone else's fault. :roll:
Riiiight... and Lewis fans like yourself?

He was "robbed" against McCall? He lost to Rahman because he was "unmotivated, and the altitude":rofl Hell, everytime that Lewis had a bad performance there was an excuse, or that wasn't the "real" Lennox Lewis.

Also, I am glad that you brought up unification yet again. Well, Lewis was proclaimed WBC Champion for the first time at the tail end of 1992. He didn't have any unification fights until 7 years later in 1999.

I will BET that you have an excuse as to why Lennox didn't have any unification fights for 7 years, now don't you? Let me guess... the other Champs weren't willing to fight him? Hmmmm... sounds familiar.

[Relentless]

Riiiight... and Lewis fans like yourself?

He was "robbed" against McCall? He lost to Rahman because he was "unmotivated, and the altitude":rofl Hell, everytime that Lewis had a bad performance there was an excuse, or that wasn't the "real" Lennox Lewis.

Also, I am glad that you brought up unification yet again. Well, Lewis was proclaimed WBC Champion for the first time at the tail end of 1992. He didn't have any unification fights until 7 years later in 1999.

I will BET that you have an excuse as to why Lennox didn't have any unification fights for 7 years, now don't you? Let me guess... the other Champs weren't willing to fight him? Hmmmm... sounds familiar.

fair enough every fan makes excuses for their fighters but no one other fans make such ridiculous excuses as the klitschko fans

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

fair enough every fan makes excuses for their fighters but no one other fans make such ridiculous excuses as the klitschko fans
Bullshit... such as? Outside of the Brewster fight which I don't know one person in the real world who saw it, that didn't think it was extremely shady.... what other fight has had such outlandish excuses?

Wlad vs Puritty... Wlad gassed out, fact... watch the fight. Gassing out isn't an excuse, it is a part of boxing and Ross won the fight fair and square.

Wlad vs Sanders... yes, I think that Wladimir was obviously overlooking Sanders, but that isn't an excuse in my book either. Wlad should have been professional and took that fight just as serious as any other fight. Sanders won that fight fair and square, in devastating fasion.

Vitali vs Byrd.... Vitali was dominating Byrd and had to stop fighting due to a full thickness tear of his rotator cuff... he had surgery on it days later. Not sure if that is a crazy excuse? I mean, it is the reality of what happened in the fight.

Vitali vs Lewis... Vitali was winning the fight, and was stopped on cuts. That is a fact. Yes, he lost the fight, but anyone with an open mind could see that it was a fight that he was winning. There are no excuses there... it is a fact that he was stopped on cuts.



So, outside of the Brewster fight where 5 different people might have 5 different opinions.... people are just discussing the well known facts. Vitali WAS stopped on cuts vs Lewis, right? Vitali did call it quits while dominating Byrd due to a shoulder injury, right? Wlad was clearly gassed out and exhausted when his cornerman stopped the fight while Wlad was on his feet against Ross the Boss, right? And it is pretty easy to see how Wlad was overlooking Sanders, as most of the world was doing the same.

[Relentless]

Bullshit... such as? Outside of the Brewster fight which I don't know one person in the real world who saw it, that didn't think it was extremely shady.... what other fight has had such outlandish excuses?

Wlad vs Puritty... Wlad gassed out, fact... watch the fight. Gassing out isn't an excuse, it is a part of boxing and Ross won the fight fair and square.

Wlad vs Sanders... yes, I think that Wladimir was obviously overlooking Sanders, but that isn't an excuse in my book either. Wlad should have been professional and took that fight just as serious as any other fight. Sanders won that fight fair and square, in devastating fasion.

Vitali vs Byrd.... Vitali was dominating Byrd and had to stop fighting due to a full thickness tear of his rotator cuff... he had surgery on it days later. Not sure if that is a crazy excuse? I mean, it is the reality of what happened in the fight.

Vitali vs Lewis... Vitali was winning the fight, and was stopped on cuts. That is a fact. Yes, he lost the fight, but anyone with an open mind could see that it was a fight that he was winning. There are no excuses there... it is a fact that he was stopped on cuts.



So, outside of the Brewster fight where 5 different people might have 5 different opinions.... people are just discussing the well known facts. Vitali WAS stopped on cuts vs Lewis, right? Vitali did call it quits while dominating Byrd due to a shoulder injury, right? Wlad was clearly gassed out and exhausted when his cornerman stopped the fight while Wlad was on his feet against Ross the Boss, right? And it is pretty easy to see how Wlad was overlooking Sanders, as most of the world was doing the same.

you just gave me a reply full of excuses.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

you just gave me a reply full of excuses.
No shit... you agreed that every fan has excuses for their fighters losses... and I agree too. However, you said that nobodies excuses were as ridiculous as the Klitschko fans... and I was asking what is so ridiculous about those general excuses for those fights. Get the point? They are all facts, and their fans happen to believe that without those circumstances they would have been the winner. Pretty common stuff.

Like I said, outside of the Brewster fight which is crazy in everyone's eyes... the excuses used for their losses are no worse than the excuses that others use for their fighters.

[Fighting Weight]

Bullshit... such as? Outside of the Brewster fight which I don't know one person in the real world who saw it, that didn't think it was extremely shady.... what other fight has had such outlandish excuses?

Wlad vs Puritty... Wlad gassed out, fact... watch the fight. Gassing out isn't an excuse, it is a part of boxing and Ross won the fight fair and square.

Wlad vs Sanders... yes, I think that Wladimir was obviously overlooking Sanders, but that isn't an excuse in my book either. Wlad should have been professional and took that fight just as serious as any other fight. Sanders won that fight fair and square, in devastating fasion.

Vitali vs Byrd.... Vitali was dominating Byrd and had to stop fighting due to a full thickness tear of his rotator cuff... he had surgery on it days later. Not sure if that is a crazy excuse? I mean, it is the reality of what happened in the fight.

Vitali vs Lewis... Vitali was winning the fight, and was stopped on cuts. That is a fact. Yes, he lost the fight, but anyone with an open mind could see that it was a fight that he was winning. There are no excuses there... it is a fact that he was stopped on cuts.



So, outside of the Brewster fight where 5 different people might have 5 different opinions.... people are just discussing the well known facts. Vitali WAS stopped on cuts vs Lewis, right? Vitali did call it quits while dominating Byrd due to a shoulder injury, right? Wlad was clearly gassed out and exhausted when his cornerman stopped the fight while Wlad was on his feet against Ross the Boss, right? And it is pretty easy to see how Wlad was overlooking Sanders, as most of the world was doing the same.

What happened to 'WALDO lost against Sanders because he didn't know what to do when someone punched him' :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Asterion]

I think it is very significant to avenge a loss.

[Asterion]

Yep, and in true VITLAY style, he missed by a mile and nearly kicked himself in the chin.



:rofl

[EpsilonAxis]

The only fight i've seen ridiculous excuses for was Wlad vs. Brewster.

Fact is, with Vitali's losses, like them or not, they were result of injury. It is a win, fair and square for his opponents...but at the same time, it doesn't answer the question we want answered after each fight: who is the better fighter, head to head? We can look at it at face value, but that's not how real fans of the sport look at things. We want to know HOW someone did what they did in the ring, not just the end product.

And Wlad lost fair and square against Purrity and Sanders. Both devestating losses that a lot of fighters would not recover so easily from.

[thesandman]

No shit... you agreed that every fan has excuses for their fighters losses... and I agree too. However, you said that nobodies excuses were as ridiculous as the Klitschko fans... and I was asking what is so ridiculous about those general excuses for those fights. Get the point? They are all facts, and their fans happen to believe that without those circumstances they would have been the winner. Pretty common stuff.

Like I said, outside of the Brewster fight which is crazy in everyone's eyes... the excuses used for their losses are no worse than the excuses that others use for their fighters.

There are excuses, and explanations.

Different things.

Excuses are there to say why something wasn't somebodies fault.

Explanations are WHY something happened.

I like Lewis (I like Waldo too really, just not his rabid fans).

I have no EXCUSES for Lewis losing. He lost because of arrogance (Rahman) and poor technique (McCall). Maybe unlucky to be stopped v McCall, but he should have counted against that by not being put on his arse in the first place.

However, the EXCUSES for the K bros are embarrassing.

Drugs.
Yeah, he lost on cuts but was WINNING the fight. (so fucking what? Lewis was WINNING v Rahman too....)
Rotator cuffs hurt. (yep, they do. But he had a choice. Like Danny Williams did fighting with a dislocation or whatever he did, and KOing someone).
He was green and gassed out, but he was WINNING easily.

All excuses. All attempts to say "they lost, but they didn't really".

I can admit Lewis lost his 2 fights fair and square. No IF's or BUT's.
Can all Vitlay and WAld fans say the same?

[Drexl]

SO Klitschko is suuposed to know all about hospital procedures for keeping samples?

You obviously didn't read the article (which was written by a hall-of-fame boxing journalist) and don't know much about the situation...

Firstly, the Klitschkos were informed by the lab of the procedure for having the samples kept, but they didn't respond.

Second, they have PHD's in sports science, surely they know a thing or 2 about sporting medical procedures, or at least that there are procedures that they need to follow and need to ask about if they don;t already know them?

Third, if they didn't know and didn't bother to find out about the procedures that is their own dumb fault and doesn't IN ANY WAY indicate a conspiracy or "outside influence".


Read my messages and you will see the 3 champions of which no one was available for July 7. I am not going to repeat them just for you. We were not talking about Wladimir\'s fights in general but for this particular one. And for this particular fight he could possible face only 3 other champions. I do not give a flying fuck how you call them in your posts. 3 champions are 3 champions (WBC, WBA and WBO). All three had fights on their own. Like I said you are more of a writer than a reader.

ONCE AGAIN, because you are obviously a slow learner, I chose to talk about ALL OF THE TIMES that unification fights have been mentioned, but didn't happen.

If you thought I meant something else, too bad.
I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I MEANT. You cannot tell me what I mean. Get it through your thick skull.

If the champs at the time of this fight was what YOU were talking about, fine. If you aren't responding to what I was talking about, STFU.
OF FUCKING COURSE I know how many belts there are, jackass. You don't need to repeat it over and over, it's irrelevant. This fight alone is NOT what I was talking about.

Want proof?? - HERE IS A QUOTE FROM BEFORE YOU EVEN OPENED YOUR MOUTH......

Ibrag-Chagaev has only just been agreed. A fight with either was possible when the Brewster fight was first made.

Anyway, this isn't just about this fight it's about the whole time since Wlad won the title.

Consider yourself exposed and schooled.


Good for you. I guess you should be proud of yourself for such a great achievement.

I am. Thanks. :good

[Drexl]

Riiiight... and Lewis fans like yourself?

He was "robbed" against McCall? He lost to Rahman because he was "unmotivated, and the altitude":rofl Hell, everytime that Lewis had a bad performance there was an excuse, or that wasn't the "real" Lennox Lewis.

Care to show me where I EVER said any of that.

Both Lennox's losses were 100% legit, fair & square. And I have never EVER said otherwise.

[smokey]

you just gave me a reply full of excuses.
:rofl :rofl :rofl

Hilarious post :thumbsup