Sauerland wants to put Povetkin in with Wlad this summer!!!! could ruin povetkin!!!

[unitas]

From what i have seen, povetkin taking on wlad right now is basically suicide.

how is povetkin gonna get past that jab?? how will his skin survive wlad power??

is chambers could do this to him.........wait till what wlad has in store.


so why risk a talented and exciting fighter, WHO COULD SUFFER A CAREER CHANGING DEFEAT by rushing him in with wlad???

this is crazy!! he could get knocked out badly..........and end up like vargas.

this would be a shame.

[Duende]

They should definately wait till Povetkin gets one of the titles to make this a legitimate fight. Let's first see how Povetkin develops from here and let Wlad unify some titles first.

[FlatNose]

Bad style matchup. Sasha doesn't have the kind of power to trouble Wlad. It would be like another Klit-Byrd fight. When Wlad doesn't have to worry about the other guys power, he's awesome.

[kirk]

stranger things have happend though guys... this is why they fight the fights. ;)


my take on it is the same as everyone elses... wlad brocks his ass... but this is boxing and i dont think he ever beats wlad so he might just have to deal with it.

[Shpion]

I rather doubt it will happen. I just read a short Povetkin interview on Russian news where Povetkin himself aknowledged that he is not ready to fight Klitschko yet.

[RUSKULL]

stranger things have happend though guys... this is why they fight the fights. ;)


my take on it is the same as everyone elses... wlad brocks his ass... but this is boxing and i dont think he ever beats wlad so he might just have to deal with it.

"Brocks his ass" :yep

[Tom_Tocca]

I rather doubt it will happen. I just read a short Povetkin interview on Russian news where Povetkin himself aknowledged that he is not ready to fight Klitschko yet.

He said this right after the fight, still heavy breathing in the ring - watch the video of the post presser - there he said something different...

[Shpion]

He said this right after the fight, still heavy breathing in the ring - watch the video of the post presser - there he said something different...

What did he say? That video did not wrok on my computer for some reason.

[Tom_Tocca]

What did he say? That video did not wrok on my computer for some reason.

Have you installed the newest version of the Windows Media Player? If you can't get it working with the applet try the external link to send it to your default video playing software...

[Dorfmeister]

What is he supposed to do anyway? He won the tourney, didn't he so why would he risk his ass against someone else? Sure he doesn't have the experience to get out of a situation wherein he is seriously hurt and shake it off... But he is to remain hungry and not even think about it! 70% of the game is all mental so he gat to put the pressure on Wlad and do not get tentative about what he's supposed to do.
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He gat to stick his head against his chest, present his side and fight behind his own jab and his own left shoulder, slip underneath Wlad's rangy power-jab and step inside faster and sharper with his own punches. Wladimir sets the right hand with the jab - ONE-TWO, doesn't throw it in a single shot like Chambers. Stay alert as the jab comes and throw a right hand inside at the same time!

[Tunney5]

I agree that Sasha is not ready for Wlad, and a brutal KO from Dr Steelhammer, and he will never be the same again. What a waste!

He needs to fight a couple of big men like Golota this year, improve his defense and be ready to fight Wlad in 2009.

[BigBone]

Povetkin should fight Wlad ASAP if they really want to take on that road.

The thing is: Povetkin has just defeated 3 tough contenders, boxed 33 rounds including a full 12 rounder, throwing 939 in the last fight, and he's not getting any younger.

Chagaev's just a year older, and he's already a champ. Both he an Ibragimov became a WC with around 20 pro fights. Not that much difference and since Povetkin (and of course Chagaev and Ibragimov) had a colossal amateur career (with Povetkin winning everything possible) and there's not much to learn for a Russian-schooled fighter who has learnt that style of fighting a good 15+ years ago - and now he has an experience in a 12 rounder.

You see, I don't see too much improvement in Povetkin for the future. What he needs to do is to concentrate on the basics, on his defense especially, get in perfect shape and try to use Wlad's weaknesses against him. That’s a training camp’s work. Not much there to learn, these 3 fights were pretty good learning experiences. Lower classed opposition wouldn’t give him any more experience and why should he take on another good name risking his mandatory against a unified champion if he’s already in the best position available for a pro fighter?

Because he's 28, and because there's a good chance that Povetkin will loose (my take: Wowa on points), he should fight him ASAP, so if he fails, he’ll have time to get a chance at another organization and champ. At 28, he’s not a youngster. Especially with the 15 years of intense background.



Anyways, I don't see the fight taking place in the summer - Wowa fights two times a year and it's very possible that he'll choose an easier opponent after the unification, or fight a rematch if he loses, or take on Thompson, or take on another champion - as you see, a lot of options for him. Summer looks too early for Povetkin.

So he'll have time to take on another opponent or 2. Of course that won't hurt him.

[kirk]

"Brocks his ass" :yep:hey :lol:

[Dorfmeister]

Александр Поветкин - Владимир Кличко теперь!
Alexander Povetkin - Wladimir Klitschko NOW!

[jc]

Sounds like greedy managers wanting a quick payday if you ask me...though Potvetkin is the ibf number one contender, the only way is up and Wlad is a very beatable number 1 if ive ever seen one.

[curmudgeon]

I do not understand all this talk about ruin.

Wlad was KTFO twice, and was not ruined. If Povetkin wants to be a champ - why does he need 10 more cans on his resume. Win or lose - his match with Klitchko will not his last one.

I think this guy has the mental composure to lose and come back stronger. He will make good money and learn something, and maybe rematch in a year or two.

Of those two Russians - Povetkin and Valuev, I can not help but be impressed by their attitude. It is also evidenced in their work ethics - workrate and stamina does not come for free.

[BoxingGuru]

Doesn't matter how many punches Povetkin throws, 5 of his punches don't even equal 1 of Wlads, and no way Wlad is gonna be as shitty as Eddie Chambers and just stand there and get pounded to the body.

I see this fight playing out with Wlad TKO'ing this young guy within 4 rounds. I can't see him taking more than 10 of Wlad's punches flush without hitting the deck.

[fra]

From what i have seen, povetkin taking on wlad right now is basically suicide.

how is povetkin gonna get past that jab?? how will his skin survive wlad power??

is chambers could do this to him.........wait till what wlad has in store.


so why risk a talented and exciting fighter, WHO COULD SUFFER A CAREER CHANGING DEFEAT by rushing him in with wlad???

this is crazy!! he could get knocked out badly..........and end up like vargas.


this would be a shame.

it would be a great fight

[Big Ukrainian]

Some people think Povetkin will be next Lennox or Holyfield. It's ridiculous! He is small fat guy with short arms, his power is average, his defence is poor, and his chin is average at best. Some of his nuthuggers says he never lost in amateurs, but I know for sure that he lost at least 5 times. 1st time he lost to unknown guy in the same day when Chagaev defeated Ibragimov in 98 or 99. Also he was only bronze medalist of Russian Cup on march 00 and silver medalist of International Tournamet in Halle, Germany (march 2001). Three months after he suffered another loss: he was beaten by Ukrainian HW Alex Mazikin in quaterfinals of Amateur World Championship in Belfast. It's seems unbelievable, but Mazikin hurt him badly with right hand and Povetkin recieved standing eight count! It looks like his chin isn't great, becauce Mazikin is feather-fisted fighter. I saw him many times in amateurs, he is big ang tough guy, but i NEVER saw him knocking down or stunning anybody except Povetkin. In prof. boxing Mazikin is feather fisted too - just look at his record 12-2 (3 KO). The fact that feather-fisted Mazikin stunned Povetkin in amateurs makes me believe that Povetkin has average chin at best. And Povetkin was knocked down by Timurziev too, though Timurziev is solid puncher.
In May 2003 Povetkin suffered last loss as amateur. He was beaten by old Alex Lezin, who was 7-8 years past his prime, and just few years earlier was knocked out by Alexis Rubalkaba in 1st round and stopped by Audley Harrison in 1st round too at the Olimpic Games. So, you can see this easily now: Povetkin was not one of the greatest amateurs ever. He was very good amateur but he wasn't better than Lewis or Klichko.

I like his courage, his exiting style and his good skills. But I can't see him winning the title in the near future. Like I said before, he hasn't size, power and chin to be competetive against Wlad. Wlad will KO him early and in very brutal fasion. Wladimir's chin is very suspect, but to beat him you must be power puncher. Povetkin isn't anywhere near to Sanders, Brewster or Peter in terms of punching power. He can pressure Wlad but Wlad wouldn't fear his power, and Wlad would easily land his hard jabs. Povetkins is wide open to right cross - the best Klitschko's punch, so I think Wlad will land his bomb early and KO Povetkin in 1st or 2nd round. IMO, Ibragimov, Peter and Chagaev are much more dangerous opponents for Wlad than Povetkin is.

[Odo]

From what i have seen, povetkin taking on wlad right now is basically suicide.

how is povetkin gonna get past that jab?? how will his skin survive wlad power??

is chambers could do this to him.........wait till what wlad has in store.


so why risk a talented and exciting fighter, WHO COULD SUFFER A CAREER CHANGING DEFEAT by rushing him in with wlad???

this is crazy!! he could get knocked out badly..........and end up like vargas.

this would be a shame.


Good point,unitas! I ,too,would prefer watching Povetkin take on someone like Brook,McCall,Sinan Sam or Golota first before trying to dethrone Wlad.
Povetkin only has 15 pro fights.Of course he was an extremely successful amateur,but 15 pro fights are just not enough experience to cope with the present undisputed nr.1 at the big boys' division.
Nevertheless I still think that Povetkin has a good chance to defeat Wlad even at this early point of his pro career.Povetkin is a very cagey boxer who is a very good in almost all departments.His leaky defense is surley his weak spot.
Styles make fights.His encounter with Chambers wasnt his most convincing and impressive one,but he got the job done winning 9,or 10 out of 12 rounds against an undefeated opponent.
Lamon Brewster could beat Wlad,and so could Sanders and Puritty.Why not Povetkin? I would always bet my money on Povetkin against Brewster,Puritty,and Sanders in their prime.
Wlad vs TBA,and Povetkin vs Brook on the same fight show in the USA,and then a fight between them on German soil.

[curmudgeon]

1st time he lost to unknown guy in the same day when Chagaev defeated Ibragimov in 98 or 99. Also he was only bronze medalist of Russian Cup on march 00 and silver medalist of International Tournamet in Halle, Germany (march 2001). Three months after he suffered another loss: he was beaten by Ukrainian HW Alex Mazikin in quaterfinals of Amateur World Championship in Belfast. It's seems unbelievable, but Mazikin hurt him badly with right hand and Povetkin recieved standing eight count! It looks like his chin isn't great, becauce Mazikin is feather-fisted fighter.
Dude, ride WK nutsack any way you want, have any doubts about Alex's pro future, but belittling Povetkin's amatuer accomplishments is beyond silly.

He started boxing at 20. Those losses you mentioned had been when he was fighting for just a couple years. Look up his record on wikipedia - once he learned the ropes he only lost one hometown decision in a final.

He is the most dominant amateur superheavy, maybe ever. More so then WK was. Or Lewis. Or even the big two cubans - they only fought for longer time as they could not get out.

So, buzz off.

[Tom_Tocca]

Some people think Povetkin will be next Lennox or Holyfield. It's ridiculous! He is small fat guy with short arms, his power is average, his defence is poor, and his chin is average at best. Some of his nuthuggers says he never lost in amateurs, but I know for shure that he lost at least 5 times. 1st time he lost to unknown guy in the same day when Chagaev defeated Ibragimov in 98 or 99. Also he was only bronze medalist of Russian Cup on march 00 and silver medalist of International Tournamet in Halle, Germany (march 2001). Three months after he suffered another loss: he was beaten by Ukrainian HW Alex Mazikin in quaterfinals of Amateur World Championship in Belfast. It's seems unbelievable, but Mazikin hurt him badly with right hand and Povetkin recieved standing eight count! It looks like his chin isn't great, becauce Mazikin is feather-fisted fighter. I saw him many times in amateurs, he is big ang tough guy, but i NEVER saw him knocking down or stunning anybody except Povetkin. In prof. boxing Mazikin is feather fisted too - just look at his record 12-2 (3 KO). The fact that feather-fisted Mazikin stunned Povetkin in amateurs makes me believe that Povetkin has average chin at best. And Povetkin was knocked down by Timurziev too, though Timurziev is solid puncher.
In May 2003 Povetkin suffered last loss as amateur. He was beaten by old Alex Lezin, who was 7-8 years past his prime, and just few years earlier was knocked out by Alexis Rubalkaba in 1st round and stopped by Audley Harrison in 1st round too at the Olimpic Games. So, you can see this easily now: Povetkin was not one of the greatest amateurs ever. He was very good amateur but he wasn't better than Lewis or Klichko.

I like his courage, his exiting style and his good skills. But I can't see him winning the title in the near future. Like I said before, he hasn't size, power and chin to be competetive against Wlad. Wlad will KO him early and in very brutal fasion. Wladimir's chin is very suspect, but to beat him you must be power puncher. Povetkin isn't anywhere near to Sanders, Brewster or Peter in terms of punching power. He can pressure Wlad but Wlad wouldn't fear his power, and Wlad would easily land his hard jabs. Povetkins is wide open to right cross - the best Klitschko's punch, so I think Wlad will land his bomb early and KO Povetkin in 1st or 2nd round. IMO, Ibragimov, Peter and Chagaev are much more dangerous opponents for Wlad than Povetkin is.

Your nickname tells the story...most of the educated boxing fans around the world know that Povetkin lost at least 7 times in the Ams but took revenge for all of them.
And for sure, Povetkin was more successful in the Ams than Wlad Klitschko...

[Dorfmeister]

Your nickname tells the story...most of the educated boxing fans around the world know that Povetkin lost at least 7 times in the Ams but took revenge for all of them.
And for sure, Povetkin was more successful in the Ams than Wlad Klitschko...

As for comparing Valuev, Chagaev, and Povetkin's chances against Wlad (and, to a lesser degree, Samuel Peter), I'd say the biggest difference would be movement. I felt Povetkin moved around the ring well, able to get off his combinations and then make space.
Povetkin's biggest problem, (which I said earlier agreeing with some people's assessment) is that he's susceptible to the right, particularly after throwing out his jab. If he doesn't protect himself after throwing his punches, Wlad will knock all his teeth out. But I think the foot movement is what would give Povetkin a slightly better chance (but still the underdog) against Wlad. Better than Chagaev (who has the good work rate that gives him a very outside shot against Wlad) or Valuev (who has no chance of beating Wlad). It has to happen, simply has to happen - Александр Поветкин - Владимир Кличко - Why Ukrainians don't want it to happen beats me - almost 50% ukrainians are pro-russian so it's a great rivalry matchup to happen in European Soil, in Germany... Not like Klitschko-Ibragimov in MSG, NYC!

[Odo]

As for comparing Valuev, Chagaev, and Povetkin's chances against Wlad (and, to a lesser degree, Samuel Peter), I'd say the biggest difference would be movement. I felt Povetkin moved around the ring well, able to get off his combinations and then make space.
Povetkin's biggest problem, (which I said earlier agreeing with some people's assessment) is that he's susceptible to the right, particularly after throwing out his jab. If he doesn't protect himself after throwing his punches, Wlad will knock all his teeth out. But I think the foot movement is what would give Povetkin a slightly better chance (but still the underdog) against Wlad. Better than Chagaev (who has the good work rate that gives him a very outside shot against Wlad) or Valuev (who has no chance of beating Wlad). It has to happen, simply has to happen - Александр Поветкин - Владимир Кличко - Why Ukrainians don't want it to happen beats me - almost 50% ukrainians are pro-russian so it's a great rivalry matchup to happen in European Soil, in Germany... Not like Klitschko-Ibragimov in MSG, NYC!

Povetkin is much better known in Russia than Ibragimov due to his outstandingly successful amateur career and his race up the ladder in the pro game.

[inchpunch]

Your nickname tells the story...most of the educated boxing fans around the world know that Povetkin lost at least 7 times in the Ams but took revenge for all of them.
And for sure, Povetkin was more successful in the Ams than Wlad Klitschko...

There are two big differences between Povetkin and Wlad when it comes to comparing amateur careers and what they imply for the pros:

1. Povetkin was an amateur much longer. Wlad could probably have ruled the amateurs, he won Olympic gold at a young age and then turned pro.

2. Povetkin doesn't have great power, which doesn't matter so much in the amateurs, but is a real issue in the pros. He also seems to not have that much natural athleticism and reflexes. He is very determined and throws great combinations, but to deliver them, he has to take some punches flush with his style. Against a great puncher, that is a difficult recipe for success.

Povetkin swells easily and Wlad has a mortal chin, but the difference is that Wlad has the size and reach to settle into a fight behind his ramrod jab. Povetkin has to come forward, he cannot change his style to cover his vulnerability.

All things considered, I don't hink Povetkin will be more ready in a few years to fight Wlad, I don't think he has much more potential to develop. He could probably beat most other heavyweights, maybe all of them but I doubt he will beat Wlad in his prime.

[Brickhaus]

I agree that Sasha is not ready for Wlad, and a brutal KO from Dr Steelhammer, and he will never be the same again. What a waste!

He needs to fight a couple of big men like Golota this year, improve his defense and be ready to fight Wlad in 2009.

Sounds right to me. Taking on a couple of names who are bigger but who pose little threat, like Golota and McCline, would help raise his profile in the US, make the Wlad fight a much bigger event, and help prepare him for Wlad. Even better, it gives Wlad another year to get older. Maybe father time will start catching up with him and he slows down a little bit. If that jab goes from an insurmountable weapon to something that can be avoided if you time it right, THEN Povetkin might have a chance.

[Odo]

Sounds right to me. Taking on a couple of names who are bigger but who pose little threat, like Golota and McCline, would help raise his profile in the US, make the Wlad fight a much bigger event, and help prepare him for Wlad. Even better, it gives Wlad another year to get older. Maybe father time will start catching up with him and he slows down a little bit. If that jab goes from an insurmountable weapon to something that can be avoided if you time it right, THEN Povetkin might have a chance.

Good post! I quite agree with you all in all.Nevertheless I would like to point out that even at this stage of his career Povetkin has a decent chance to beat Wlad.
People here tend to underrate Povetkin based on his last fight against Chambers and to overrate Wlad based on his last 2-3 fights against limited opposition.
Peter gave Wlad hell in their encounter,but Peter was no match for Povetkin at the amateurs,and neither was Calvin Brook.
Styles make fights.Povetkin didnt look outstandingly impressive or convincing against Chambers,but up to that fight he had performed extrememly well against very decent opposition.
Furthermore he beat the who is who at the amateurs.
Anyway! I quite agree with you that he should first fight someone like Golota or McCall on American soil in order to gain more pro experience and to enhance his markebilty over there.
Nevertheless he has a decent chance to beat Wlad- a much better chance than the feather fisted Sultan Ibragimov IMO.

[Brickhaus]

Maybe. I've seen a few of Povetkin's fights (granted, in grainy online settings), and I'm just not sure he has enough upper body movement to get through Wlad's jab. If he can get inside like he did against Chambers, he has a chance, I just don't see Wlad letting him do that. Agreed that he has a better chance of winning than Iggy though.

[Lampley]

Good post! I quite agree with you all in all.Nevertheless I would like to point out that even at this stage of his career Povetkin has a decent chance to beat Wlad.
People here tend to underrate Povetkin based on his last fight against Chambers and to overrate Wlad based on his last 2-3 fights against limited opposition.
Peter gave Wlad hell in their encounter,but Peter was no match for Povetkin at the amateurs,and neither was Calvin Brook.
Styles make fights.Povetkin didnt look outstandingly impressive or convincing against Chambers,but up to that fight he had performed extrememly well against very decent opposition.
Furthermore he beat the who is who at the amateurs.
Anyway! I quite agree with you that he should first fight someone like Golota or McCall on American soil in order to gain more pro experience and to enhance his markebilty over there.
Nevertheless he has a decent chance to beat Wlad- a much better chance than the feather fisted Sultan Ibragimov IMO.

I appreciate your perspective but disagree on Povetkin's chances. Alex simply lacks the defense or power to threaten an elite, big HW, and Wladimir certainly fits the bill.

Povetkin deserves credit for getting the most out of what he has, but without fight-changing power, he's too easy to hit and lacks great size. He ought to go ahead and take a good payday -- and KO -- against Wladimir, then move on to one of the other belts.

[Odo]

I appreciate your perspective but disagree on Povetkin's chances. Alex simply lacks the defense or power to threaten an elite, big HW, and Wladimir certainly fits the bill.

Povetkin deserves credit for getting the most out of what he has, but without fight-changing power, he's too easy to hit and lacks great size. He ought to go ahead and take a good payday -- and KO -- against Wladimir, then move on to one of the other belts.

Who knows,lampley? You made some good points.Povetkin's weak spot is his leaky defense,and yes,his size is not perfect for a heavy,but................he beat all the elite fighters at the amateurs(for example he defeated Islam Tirmurziev who would be among the top 5 in the paid ranks within 2 years) and I cant really see any present pro heavy -apart from the Klitschko brothers-who are able to beat him.(of course a big banger like Virchis has a puncher's chance)
Povetkin is a classy fighter,and lets not forget that Wlad didnt look that great against Sam Peter or some other fighters who are no match for Povetkin.Styles make fights.IMO Povetkin has the best chance of all present heavies to beat Wlad at this point of time.

[Lampley]

Who knows,lampley? You made some good points.Povetkin's weak spot is his leaky defense,and yes,his size is not perfect for a heavy,but................he beat all the elite fighters at the amateurs(for example he defeated Islam Tirmurziev who would be among the top 5 in the paid ranks within 2 years) and I cant really see any present pro heavy -apart from the Klitschko brothers-who are able to beat him.(of course a big banger like Virchis has a puncher's chance)
Povetkin is a classy fighter,and lets not forget that Wlad didnt look that great against Sam Peter or some other fighters who are no match for Povetkin.Styles make fights.IMO Povetkin has the best chance of all present heavies to beat Wlad at this point of time.

True, we don't really know. The reason I don't like the Peter comparison is that Wladimir was less confident then than he is now, and he did win nearly every round except for the ones in which he was knocked down. And Peter is a bigger puncher than Alexander, a key factor when taking on Wladimir.

I think Peter/Povetkin would be a very interesting fight, and the HW version of David Haye also might pose a threat to him. I like Alex and respect his work ethic, though, so hopefully he'll keep winning.

[Odo]

True, we don't really know. The reason I don't like the Peter comparison is that Wladimir was less confident then than he is now, and he did win nearly every round except for the ones in which he was knocked down. And Peter is a bigger puncher than Alexander, a key factor when taking on Wladimir.

I think Peter/Povetkin would be a very interesting fight, and the HW version of David Haye also might pose a threat to him. I like Alex and respect his work ethic, though, so hopefully he'll keep winning.

Haye? I am not sold on him yet.Lets wait and see how he fares against some decent heavies!

Sam Peter a bigger puncher than Povetkin? I dont know,lampley.
Vidoz stopped both Peter and Brook at the olympics,and neither Vidoz nor Peter nor Brook could hold a candle to Povetkin at the amateurs.I know that the pros are a different game,but IMO Sam Peter is more or less on Sinan Samil Sam 's level.Sam has pop in his fists,but he is no Tua or Virchis.

[rusticraver]

All the eastern European heavyweights are shit other than Wlad, nothign special at all. Chagaev is wank, Povetkin hasnt got any power.. Haye going to clean the division out

[Hrak]

Theres no way Povetkin is ready for Wald, its just not a smart move on Povetkins part. The kid is skilled, but he doesn't do anything particularly well. It was obvious in the chambers fight that he had some problems with Chambers's speed, it took him about 4 rounds to figure Chambers out. Against Wlad his not gone have those 4 rounds. If a few of those Rights from Wlad land, his gone be cut or Ko'd. To beat Wlad you need to have an iron chin and heavy hands. I don't care what people say, Povetkin is not a puncher, every stoppage Ive seen has been due to accumilation and trust me his not gone be able to land 4 punch combos on Wlad. Peter still presents the biggest risk to Wlad.