Brock Lesnar NFL training camp numbers

[Dostoevsky]

Bench 495 pounds
Squat 695 pounds
4.7 second forty yard dash
35 inch vertical leap
Over 10 feet standing broad jump

This was posted on a differant forum.
He said he was also tested twice during training camp for steroids, at Brocks request because he knew people had doubts.

Brock is a serious athlete, I don't think a single other MMA HW fighter would even come close to those stats, Brock is surely the most athletic person, in not only the HW division, but possibly in all of MMA. When you get a person that athletic and teach them skills they learn twice as fast as a normal person.
Brock is a beast.

Hopefully, this is an indication of the talent coming into MMA in the future.

[dwilson]

Bench 495 pounds
Squat 695 pounds
4.7 second forty yard dash
35 inch vertical leap
Over 10 feet standing broad jump

This was posted on a differant forum.
He said he was also tested twice during training camp for steroids, at Brocks request because he knew people had doubts.

Brock is a serious athlete, I don't think a single other MMA HW fighter would even come close to those stats, Brock is surely the most athletic person, in not only the HW division, but possibly in all of MMA. When you get a person that athletic and teach them skills they learn twice as fast as a normal person.
Brock is a beast.

Hopefully, this is an indication of the talent coming into MMA in the future.

Those are scary numbers. Your right he is a beast of an athelete, now were gonna find out if he's a beast in the octagon as well.

[scurlaruntings]

I question heavily his 35 inch Vertical. NBA players have Verticals in those ranges. Vince Carter was putting up those numbers back in the 2000 dunk contest. For a man who`s prime weight was near on 300lbs thats not very believable. Id take those stats with a pinch of salt.

[BewareofDawg]

And why isn't he playing inside linebacker for the Patriots? Did he get injured? Either these stats or bullshit or he is dumb as dogshit and couldn't remember a playbook.

[scurlaruntings]

Brock is immensely physically blessed but how this translates into sports is an entirely different kettle of fish. He got cut by the Vikings when he tried after leaving the WWE. Spent some time in the NJPW and is now flirting with MMA. Lets see how well his physical attributes translate to a multifaceted sport like MMA.

[demzor]

And why isn't he playing inside linebacker for the Patriots? Did he get injured? Either these stats or bullshit or he is dumb as dogshit and couldn't remember a playbook.
He hadn't played football since HIGH SCHOOL
The guy is 30 years old.

I've heard him talking about his attempt at football and he said there was so much going on on the field that it was hard to get up to speed. He was competing for a spot with guys who thought about nothing but football for years.

The fact that he played preseason and got offered a contract in europe is impressive, imo.


If he beats up on Frank Mir.. people will have to start respecting him. Mir may not be the best around.. but he isnt a can.

[Donut62]

I question heavily his 35 inch Vertical. NBA players have Verticals in those ranges. Vince Carter was putting up those numbers back in the 2000 dunk contest. For a man who`s prime weight was near on 300lbs thats not very believable. Id take those stats with a pinch of salt.

Vertical jump is more closely related to absolute strength in hip extension than anything else. I imagine NFL squats and bench would hardly pass at a meet, but even an above parallel squat of almost 700 pounds makes that really believeable. For example, Olympic lifters have the highest vertical in all of sports next to high jumpers, Shane Hamman weighed 360 pounds and at 5'-8" could dunk a basketball with two hands and do back flips.

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[Dostoevsky]

Mir may not be the best around.. but he isnt a can.

He's certainly more legitimate than Hong Can Choi and middleweight Lindland thats for sure.
People should respect him even if he loses this fight for the fact he asked and accepted it on only his 2nd pro fight.

[Donut62]

And why isn't he playing inside linebacker for the Patriots? Did he get injured? Either these stats or bullshit or he is dumb as dogshit and couldn't remember a playbook.

For someone who has never played football at any sort of high level, stepping right into the trenches of a modern NFL game would be daunting. There is a hell of a lot more to it than raw physical ability. Those numbers are about par for the course for someone of his size in the NFL, and combined with no knowledge of advanced level gameplay he didn't have a chance to start or anything. The fact that he got offered anything speaks volumes to his ability.

[BewareofDawg]

For someone who has never played football at any sort of high level, stepping right into the trenches of a modern NFL game would be daunting. There is a hell of a lot more to it than raw physical ability. Those numbers are about par for the course for someone of his size in the NFL, and combined with no knowledge of advanced level gameplay he didn't have a chance to start or anything. The fact that he got offered anything speaks volumes to his ability.
I understand that. I was half joking, but I thought he had played football before actually. I don't know the guys history, I can't even stand to look at him.

[scurlaruntings]

He's certainly more legitimate than Hong Can Choi and middleweight Lindland thats for sure.
People should respect him even if he loses this fight for the fact he asked and accepted it on only his 2nd pro fight.How? Because of his background in the WWE right? Fedor would sub Lesnar quicker than he could walk into the Octagon. At least Lindland and Choi ARE fighters. Brock is nothing more than a wrestler and a WWE creation.

[Dostoevsky]

How? Because of his background in the WWE right? Fedor would sub Lesnar quicker than he could walk into the Octagon. At least Lindland and Choi ARE fighters. Brock is nothing more than a wrestler and a WWE creation.

No, I meant Mir is more legitimate.

[scurlaruntings]

No, I meant Mir is more legitimate.Ok il let you off:yep

[audio101]

He'll be back in the WWE in no time, they always go back.

[ufoalf]

Yea, he incredibly gifted juicer. After Sherk got caught I won't be optimistic about this horse shit.

[Dostoevsky]

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by Dave Meltzer/Yahoo! Sports

Brock Lesnar’s notoriety as a World Wrestling Entertainment champion and headliner has created great interest in his Ultimate Fighting Championship debut on Saturday night against former UFC champion Frank Mir.

But because his fame comes from scripted entertainment, many aren’t aware of his successes in legitimate athletic competition.

Lesnar was 106-5 in four years of college wrestling, winning the junior college national championship in 1998 and the Division I championship for the University of Minnesota in 2000, both as a heavyweight.

High-level amateur wrestling is a great asset in mixed martial arts, as many of UFC’s biggest stars all have a substantial wrestling background, Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell, Quinton Jackson, Dan Henderson, Matt Hughes, Josh Koscheck, Jon Fitch, Diego Sanchez, Rashad Evans, Tito Ortiz, Clay Guida, Keith Jardine, Roger Huerta, Jake O’Brien, Frankie Edgar, Matt Hamill, Brandon Vera, Gray Maynard, Corey Hill, Matt Grice and others.

But wrestling success is no guarantee of MMA success. For every Couture or Dan Severn, both of whom competed on the U.S. national team in international competition and are among only a few fighters in the UFC Hall of Fame, there are great wrestlers, including national champions and Olympians, who have gone nowhere in MMA.

Arguably the best wrestler to ever enter MMA at his peak was Karam Gaber Ibrahim of Egypt, who not only won the gold medal at the 2004 Olympics in Greco-Roman at 211 pounds, but destroyed everyone in his path, tossing around world champions like they were high schoolers. He was universally considered the best wrestler of any style or weight class in Athens.

A few months later, Ibrahim debuted in MMA against Kazuyuki Fujita on a New Year’s Eve show in Japan. Fujita was a well known pro wrestler who switched to MMA. Ibrahim had only a few weeks of training for MMA. Instead of trying to wrestle Fujita, he decided to come out and box, which he had no experience in. It was a bad idea, as he was knocked cold in 1:07 and never fought again.

On the flip side, there was Rulon Gardner, the superheavyweight Greco-Roman gold medalist in the 2000 Olympics who retired as an amateur after capturing a bronze medal in 2004. On that same New Year’s Eve show in Japan, he debuted in MMA in “the battle of the gold medalists,” facing Hidehiko Yoshida, who had won a gold medal in judo, and years later, became a famous MMA star for the Pride Fighting Championships.

It’s a routine Japanese promotional trick to take Olympic medalists out of their sport, and put them in with Japanese favorites, who have experience in MMA fighting. The idea was that Gardner would get Yoshida to the ground, but with no knowledge of submissions, he would then get submitted – similar to what many MMA fans expect to happen to Lesnar on Saturday. Instead, Gardner decided to stand and box. He was taller and about 75 pounds heavier. It was an ugly fight because Gardner was no boxer, but just through size and power, he battered Yoshida and took a unanimous decision. Gardner never fought again.

Perhaps the closest equivalent to Lesnar in the MMA world is Sylvester Terkay. Like Lesnar, he took second in the heavyweight division as a junior, losing to an American wrestling legend — Lesnar to current New England Patriot Steve Neal and Terkay to Kurt Angle. Like Lesnar, he was a dominating powerhouse as a senior, winning the 1993 national championship as a 6-6, 275 pounder. Like Lesnar, after winning the NCAA title, he burned out on the sport, and never wrestled another amateur match. They even had the pro wrestling similarity after college, although Terkay was never a star in the U.S.

Terkay had been out of competitive wrestling for 10 years, and was 33 when he debuted in MMA for K-1 in Japan. Lesnar was 29 and out of wrestling competition for seven years when he debuted last year, although he was less than two years out of NFL camp with the Minnesota Vikings.

There have been 14 NCAA champions, including Lesnar and Terkay, who have gone into MMA. Here are the other 12:

Royce Alger: The 1987 champion at 167 pounds and 1988 champion at 177 for Iowa, Alger had a 3-2 MMA record, but his two losses were in UFC during its early days, being submitted by Enson Inoue quickly, and knocked out by Eugene Jackson.

Mark Coleman: The 1988 champion at 190 pounds, Coleman was UFC’s third champion, winning two tournaments and then beating Dan Severn for the title. He left UFC for Pride, where he won the first Grand Prix tournament in 2000. Coleman, 15-8 in MMA, was a wrestler who was still at the world class level when he started in MMA in 1996, and his simple takedown and ground-and-pound style worked early on. But as the game changed, he was less successful.

Johny Hendricks: Hendricks captured the 165 pound title in 2005 and 2006 for Oklahoma State, and placed second in 2007. He is currently affiliated with Team Takedown and is 2-0 in shows in Oklahoma, training out of Couture’s gym in Las Vegas.

Rex Holman: The 1993 champion at 190 pounds from Ohio State, where he was a teammate with Kevin Randleman and coached by Coleman, Holman had long since retired as a wrestler when he went into MMA. He’s 4-2, with his only UFC appearance a loss last year to Matt Hamill.

Mark Kerr: The 1992 champion at 190 pounds for Syracuse. Kerr was considered the No. 1 heavyweight in MMA in 1998 and 1999, and his fall from grace was documented in the HBO documentary “The Smashing Machine,” which vividly displayed his drug addiction issues. He is still active today with a 14-6 record. In a trivia note, the person he defeated in his championship win was Oklahoma State’s Couture.

Josh Koscheck: The 2001 champion at 174 pounds for Edinboro College. He’s currently 9-2 and one of UFC’s top-rated welterweight fighters. He came out on the short end of what was largely a wrestling battle on Aug. 25 in Las Vegas with Georges St. Pierre.

Kenny Monday: University of Oklahoma 1984 champ at 150 pounds, and later a gold medalist in the Olympics. Monday fought once in 1997, beating John Lewis, and later lost a submissions-only match to Matt Hume.

Mark Munoz: The 2001 champion at 197 pounds at Oklahoma, Munoz debuted this last year and has a 3-0 record fighting in California. He coaches wrestling at Cal-Davis, the alma mater of Urijah Faber, and trains with Faber’s camp.

Kevin Randleman: Randleman took the 1992 and 1993 championship for Ohio State at 177 pounds. Randleman was an MMA pioneer who is still active, with a 16-12 record. He has held the UFC heavyweight championship and was a top star for years with Pride, both winning and losing fights with major names including losses to Couture, Liddell, Jackson, Kazushi Sakuraba, Mirko Cro Cop (who he also beat in one of Pride’s most famous moments) and Fedor Emelianenko.

Jake Rosholt: A three-time champion at Oklahoma State, winning in 2003 at 184 and 2005 and 2006 at 197, Rosholt is also a member of Team Takedown and training at Couture’s gym. He has a 3-0 MMA record and is expected to be a major star before long.

Mark Schultz: A three-time champion for Oklahoma from 1981-83, and a 1984 Olympic gold medalist, he was in Detroit for a UFC show in 1996 to work the corner when there was a pullout. The night before the show, on almost a lark, he agreed to fight Gary Goodridge, and used his wrestling to beat Goodridge. But he never fought again. At the time, he was head wrestling coach at Brigham Young University and UFC was being savaged by the media. The college told him he couldn’t be associated with MMA.

Mike Van Arsdale: The 1988 champion at 167 pounds for Iowa State. Van Arsdale, who competed for years internationally for the U.S., went 4-1 in 1998, losing a brutal match in Brazil to Wanderlei Silva. He came back years later and although in his early 40s, still competes and has a 9-5 record, including a high profile loss to Couture.

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[demzor]

Yea, he incredibly gifted juicer. After Sherk got caught I won't be optimistic about this horse shit.
He took drug tests during the nfl stint and his k-1 fight.
I'm sure he's off the juice. He doesn't look anything like his wwe days.

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[scurlaruntings]

Not that im a promoter of drugs in sport but its interesting the moral high ground people take regarding hormone abuse.

[Mob]

Because of his size, strenght and athleticism...he will at least be interesting to watch.

My guess is that he won't make the transition at the higher level.

[Donut62]

I make it a point to not mess with a guy crazy enough to tattoo a giant S&M dildo on his chest and not give a fuck.

[Wige247]

I question heavily his 35 inch Vertical. NBA players have Verticals in those ranges. Vince Carter was putting up those numbers back in the 2000 dunk contest. For a man who`s prime weight was near on 300lbs thats not very believable. Id take those stats with a pinch of salt.

You'd be surprised how many powerlifters can match NBA hops. Then you'd be blown away by how many powerlifters surpass NBA hops.

[scurlaruntings]

You'd be surprised how many powerlifters can match NBA hops. Then you'd be blown away by how many powerlifters surpass NBA hops.Oh please! Id like too see one of them mammoths vs lil Nate Robinson.:yep

[dwilson]

I just wish he would get rid of that stupid tatoo. The thing is gonna drive me crazy.

[am0kgonzo]

I have similar numbers at around 100 kg bodyweight.


Bench 440/4
Olympic deep backsquat 515/4
40 yard dash- Not tested recently but maybe 4.55
vertical jump- right about 35 inches
standing long jump- About 11 feet


I am also a whitebelt grappler/BJJ practitioner who gets routinely tooled by guys smaller with much less speed and strength.

I have no idea how to prove my claims with homemade video, so do not even ask. My only point is that one can have developed physical prowess over time with consistant, hard and well planned training. However, sport specific skill sets are developed by obviously working at your desired sport, wheather(sp) it be American football, wrestling or grappling/MMA.

You have mighty retard strength. And how is it hard to prove? Just video your bench and squat.

[amhlilhaus]

How? Because of his background in the WWE right? Fedor would sub Lesnar quicker than he could walk into the Octagon. At least Lindland and Choi ARE fighters. Brock is nothing more than a wrestler and a WWE creation.

you obviously don't know much about mma because there's plenty of 'just wrestlers' who do very well.

[scurlaruntings]

you obviously don't know much about mma because there's plenty of 'just wrestlers' who do very well.Yes your right.I dont know anything about MMA. Il stop posting here now.Cheers for the tip:good

[ike61]

And why isn't he playing inside linebacker for the Patriots? Did he get injured? Either these stats or bullshit or he is dumb as dogshit and couldn't remember a playbook.
numbers like that really mean very little when it comes to football. I played at the division 2 level and there was a guy on my team who was 6'5'' and 295lbs. He could bench 485, squat 600+, and ran a 5.0 40 yard dash. I could push him around during practice and I weigh 230lbs.

[billyconn]

And why isn't he playing inside linebacker for the Patriots? Did he get injured? Either these stats or bullshit or he is dumb as dogshit and couldn't remember a playbook.

for one thing his lateral movement was not good, bad footwork.....

[billyconn]

numbers like that really mean very little when it comes to football. I played at the division 2 level and there was a guy on my team who was 6'5'' and 295lbs. He could bench 485, squat 600+, and ran a 5.0 40 yard dash. I could push him around during practice and I weigh 230lbs.

You're correct in that too often it's the intangibles that make a "player" however Tony Mandarich does not agree with you.

[ike61]

You're correct in that too often it's the intangibles that make a "player" however Tony Mandarich does not agree with you.:lol:

[Vysotsky]

I question heavily his 35 inch Vertical. NBA players have Verticals in those ranges. Vince Carter was putting up those numbers back in the 2000 dunk contest. For a man who`s prime weight was near on 300lbs thats not very believable. Id take those stats with a pinch of salt.

Vertical jump is more closely related to absolute strength in hip extension than anything else. I imagine NFL squats and bench would hardly pass at a meet, but even an above parallel squat of almost 700 pounds makes that really believeable. For example, Olympic lifters have the highest vertical in all of sports next to high jumpers, Shane Hamman weighed 360 pounds and at 5'-8" could dunk a basketball with two hands and do back flips.

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You'd be surprised how many powerlifters can match NBA hops. Then you'd be blown away by how many powerlifters surpass NBA hops.

These

[Badlok]

those are impressive! i knew he was a beast butnot i got some proof!

[scurlaruntings]

Nothing beats bumping a 2 year old thread!