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Bokaj
01-31-2008, 12:35 PM
Most ATGs have at least one fight in which they look absolutely invincible. Which of one these do you the find the most awe-inspiring/impressive, or do you have another that you think is the top one?
Dempsey vs Willard
Louis vs Schmeling II
Liston vs Patterson
Ali vs C. Williams
Foreman vs Frazier
Hearns vs Duran
Tyson vs M. Spinks
Titan1
01-31-2008, 12:39 PM
Hearns vs Cuevas.
sthomas
01-31-2008, 12:41 PM
Foreman vs. Frazier. Joe was pretty darn good. IMO bunch the best of the KTFO victims, and undefeated. Hearns Vs. Durans a close second
teeto
01-31-2008, 12:42 PM
All of the fights mentioned here are great destructions , somr in different ways than others , but beause the thread is asking which is the most awe-inspiring , personally i would have to pick a Duran one. Either Moore , or when he got going against Cuevas , just opinion though
Dempsey1238
01-31-2008, 12:49 PM
The most impressive destruction fight I have, or one of the best is 1927, Walker vs Tommy Milligan. Walker own Milligan, dropping Tommy a number of times, and after the ko in the tent round, the Ref would yell, "If there is a doctor in the house, will he please step in now."
Walker destory Milligan imo. He look and was close to being unbeating that night.
teeto
01-31-2008, 12:54 PM
The most impressive destruction fight I have, or one of the best is 1927, Walker vs Tommy Milligan. Walker own Milligan, dropping Tommy a number of times, and after the ko in the tent round, the Ref would yell, "If there is a doctor in the house, will he please step in now."
Walker destory Milligan imo. He look and was close to being unbeating that night.
Thats a great dstruction , Walker's ombos in close look really sharp and powerful , like you said , one of the most impressive . But would you say the most awe-inspiring though ? I have to pick Tyson Duran for that , just opinion though
Dempsey1238
01-31-2008, 12:59 PM
Well the thing with Tyson, was he never relly destory any one, He hit them with a flash combo, and there out in a round or 2. There was no Dempsey Willard or Walker Milliagan type of beat downs. The guy mostly was ok after the ten count. I sure Tyson's fear play a lot into that. Duran is of couse other story. Moore and his wars with Dejesus is legend of couse.
teeto
01-31-2008, 01:04 PM
Well the thing with Tyson, was he never relly destory any one, He hit them with a flash combo, and there out in a round or 2. There was no Dempsey Willard or Walker Milliagan type of beat downs. The guy mostly was ok after the ten count. I sure Tyson's fear play a lot into that. Duran is of couse other story. Moore and his wars with Dejesus is legend of couse.
Your right there on that Tyson point , he was awe-inspiring imo , but the closest to a destruction by Tyson was probably the Thomas fight . Never thought of the question like that
Bokaj
01-31-2008, 01:13 PM
Well the thing with Tyson, was he never relly destory any one, He hit them with a flash combo, and there out in a round or 2. There was no Dempsey Willard or Walker Milliagan type of beat downs. The guy mostly was ok after the ten count. I sure Tyson's fear play a lot into that. Duran is of couse other story. Moore and his wars with Dejesus is legend of couse.
It's true Tyson never demolished someone like Dempsey demolished Willard for example, probably at least to some extent because refs stopped fights a lot quicker when Tyson was in active.
But anyway, what I was getting at was to a large degree how invincible the perfomance made the fighter look, and when Tysom absolutely steamrolled Spinks (who was viewed as a top-class fighter) he certainly did look invincible. And when you look at Ali vs Williams you ask yourself how anyone could possible deal with the combination of speed, skill and power that Ali displayed during that fight. Similary for Hearns vs Duran you get the feeling that someone who annihilates Duran in that manner would beat just about anyone.
Dempsey1238
01-31-2008, 01:17 PM
It's true Tyson never demolished someone like Dempsey demolished Willard for example, probably at least to some extent because refs stopped fights a lot quicker when Tyson was in active.
But anyway, what I was getting at was to a large degree how invincible the perfomance made the fighter look, and when Tysom absolutely steamrolled Spinks (who was viewed as a top-class fighter) he certainly did look invincible. And when you look at Ali vs Williams you ask yourself how anyone could possible deal with the combination of speed, skill and power that Ali displayed during that fight. Similary for Hearns vs Duran you get the feeling that someone who annihilates Duran in that manner would beat just about anyone.
Well I dont blame it if the ref stop it or not. Most cases they got the ten count. Spinks got a full ten count. He didnt get up 7 or so times like Willard did(I pretty sure the ref would have stop it of couse, before that happen)
But even in 1919, I pretty sure Spinks and MOST of Tyson's foes would have takeing the ten count on the first or 2nd knockdown.
Dempsey1238
01-31-2008, 01:18 PM
Oh yeah and Williams was shot. Any ATG heavyweight would have look GREAT vs that Williams imo.
radianttwilight
01-31-2008, 02:22 PM
Foreman-Frazier.
It's a question of how great the beaten party was. Frazier was the undefeated conquerer of Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali.
Sardu
01-31-2008, 03:01 PM
They are all awesome. If I had to take three out it would be: Liston-Patterson, Ali-Williams, and Tyson-Spinks. Were they great performances? Of course they were! But this is formidable list and it is hard to eliminate any one of these fights.
1. Liston was a heavy favorite to beat Patterson. It was even said that Cus D'Amato tried to avoid this fight alltogether.
2. Spinks was a blown up lightheavyweight with a 16" neck. Tyson was not an over the hill Holmes or a zombie hopped up on Percodan like Gerry Cooney. He was approaching his legendary prime. Tyson was favored in the fight. Spinks' second win over Holmes was disputed by those who watched it.
3. Ali-Williams: The "Big Cat" was washed up with many slugs lodged in his body from being shot. It was still sensational by Ali but Williams really had very little to offer anymore. His style was tailor made for Ali.
4. Duran did not take Hearns seriously as incredible as that may sound now. He was partying like crazy and said in the NY Post before the fight that: It will be like a man (Duran) with a boy (Hearns) in there. Duran had to drop massive amounts of weight and did not give himself the best chance to win based upon his lack of preparation. He was also a veteran of 17 years in the fight game and was turning 33 about theday of this fight. That was considered to be old for a non-heavyweight fighter back then.
So I would choose Dempsey, Louis and Foreman.
Dempsey was a heavy underdog and some thought Big Jess might even really kill him. Turns out the fight should have been stopped after the first round in Dempsey's favor.
Louis had already lost to Schmelling by knockout two years before. He reversed it with an emphatic first round destruction of his german rival.
Frazier had an air of invincibility before that first Foreman fight. My uncle was in a bowling alley and no one was paying attention cause' they thought it would be an easy fight for 'Smokin' Joe. When Cosell started becoming hysterical and yelling "Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!" people's jaws were dropping. This is the man who had beaten the greatest himself getting pulverized.
TBooze
01-31-2008, 03:39 PM
Chavez/Rosario was awesome. Scary as well, when you think Edwin's Misses made El Chapo's young son watch the entire fight....
I always liked Hagler/Lee. The Marvelous one near his barbaric best, showing his Caveman instincts.;)
#1 though IMO would be Hearns/Duran; although Duran himself with the Lampkin fight is up there.
Drew101
01-31-2008, 03:57 PM
Hopkins/Trinidad: People forget that Felix was a 3-1 favorite in this fight, and was coming of his own sensational decimation of William Joppy (the second best middleweight at the time. And, he did fight pretty well against Hopkins. It's just that B-Hop was in the type of zone that very few fighters ever seem to enter at any point in their careers. That version of Hopkins gives any middleweight in history absolute hell, and beats the vast majority of them...no questions asked.
janitor
01-31-2008, 04:12 PM
Terry McGovern vs Pedlar Palmer.
That was a turning point in history.
The day that the one round wrecking machines arived on the scene.
ChrisPontius
01-31-2008, 04:14 PM
Frazier vs Foster for me. Frazier looked invincible, even if Foster was rather inferior as a heavyweight.
The great left to the body, left to the jaw combination that knocked Foster out he also threw and landed flush (both) in the 2nd round against Ali, 1971. Nothing happened although Ali held on. And therein lies the difference between a great lightheavyweight and a great heavyweight.
ChrisPontius
01-31-2008, 04:15 PM
Louis vs Nathan Mann also comes to mind. That right uppercut/left hook was fantastic.
Holmes' Jab
01-31-2008, 04:56 PM
Louis vs Schmeling II. Brutal, serene, economical and utterly devestating- all at the same time. Quite simply one of the finest performances by any Heavyweight from any era.
JohnThomas1
02-01-2008, 02:11 AM
Hopkins/Trinidad: People forget that Felix was a 3-1 favorite in this fight, and was coming of his own sensational decimation of William Joppy (the second best middleweight at the time. And, he did fight pretty well against Hopkins. It's just that B-Hop was in the type of zone that very few fighters ever seem to enter at any point in their careers. That version of Hopkins gives any middleweight in history absolute hell, and beats the vast majority of them...no questions asked.
A man who tells it like it is
:good
Duodenum
02-01-2008, 09:28 AM
Most ATGs have at least one fight in which they look absolutely invincible. Which of one these do you the find the most awe-inspiring/impressive, or do you have another that you think is the top one?
Dempsey vs Willard
Louis vs Schmeling II
Liston vs Patterson
Ali vs C. Williams
Foreman vs Frazier
Hearns vs Duran
Tyson vs M. SpinksOf the matchups on this list, Hearns vs Duran stands out.
Dempsey was incredible against Willard, but Jess was 37 years old and had been inactive for three years.
Schmeling was already past his prime when he knocked Louis out. The most amazing thing to me about Louis/Schmeling II is that Louis couldn't put him down and out to stay. Max displayed Willard's guts in that one.
Patterson had been blasted out by Ingo, and decked numerous times, so the outcome of Floyd's bouts with Liston were predictable.
Like Dempsey with Willard, Ali was astonishing against Williams. But the Big Cat had been seen getting blasted out by Liston twice when he was much younger and in far better condition.
Foreman vs Frazier makes sense in hindsight, but at the time it was shocking to most of the viewing public. But Smoke had very nearly lost in a similar manner the first time he faced Bonavena, so there was some precedent to indicate the potential in favor of a Foreman blowout.
Tyson's demolition of Mike Spinks didn't shock anybody I knew at the time. As was the case with Liston/Patterson, it's striking how many people accurately predicted the nature of this outcome. Once Tyson dropped him with that right to the body, it became apparent Spinks wouldn't be able to last, granite chin or not.
Hearns/Duran stands alone. Nobody was ever able to dispatch Duran in that manner before or since. There was nothing in Duran's history to suggest that Tommy could bomb him out the way he did Cuevas. Roberto had sustained a couple of flash knockdowns against DeJesus, and nearly suffered another early one in the Buchanan fight. Aside from these isolated instances though, it seemed as though Duran had never even come close to being buckled, let alone knocked silly. Nor was El Cholo near the end of the line (as Sean O'Grady subsequently proved to be when Ganigan bombed him out).
klompton
02-01-2008, 09:55 AM
Tyson's demolition of Mike Spinks didn't shock anybody I knew at the time. As was the case with Liston/Patterson, it's striking how many people accurately predicted the nature of this outcome. Once Tyson dropped him with that right to the body, it became apparent Spinks wouldn't be able to last, granite chin or not.
Talk about revisionist history. Nobody knew that was going to happen. That was one of the most anticipated matches in boxing history and up to that time shattered all records for a promotion. It was being compared to Ali-Frazier 1 in which you had two undefeated heavyweights of contrasting styles facing one another for the sports greatest prize. The writers and pundits were split right down the middle as to who would win that fight. Anyone who says "they knew that would happen" is full of spit. Nothing in Spink's record ever suggested that he would go out like that and for people who say he looked scared in the ringwalk just look at all of his other ringwalks, he always had that weird nervous look and then came and knocked the shit out of the other guy. I understand its become vogue to bash Tyson's accomplishments but please. That fight was one of the few times that the top two undefeated pound for pound fighters faced each other for the heavyweight championship.
MagnificentMatt
02-01-2008, 09:58 AM
Toney - Barkley!
albeziel
02-01-2008, 12:05 PM
I'll say Hearns vs Duran, Duran was considered a great fighter and Hearns just beat him fair and square, very one sided fight in rd. 1 and in round 2 we all know how it went, that right hand of Hearns seemed like a freaking rocket.
Doppleganger
02-01-2008, 12:44 PM
Hearns v Duran for me too. Let's think about this for a second. We are talking about Roberto Duran, "Manos de Piedra", a fearsome, snarling, relentless warrior with exceptional defensive skills, endless stamina and a chin made of solid titanium. He is generally recognised as one of the greatest fighters of all time and had just gone 15 hard rounds with one of the best middleweights of all time in Marvin Hagler. Tommy Hearns hurt him with almost every punch he threw and dropped him 3 times, with the last leaving him convulsing and face down on the canvas.
Nobody before or since did that to Roberto Duran. It was as shocking as it was unexpected.
Sonny's jab
02-01-2008, 01:36 PM
Talk about revisionist history. Nobody knew that was going to happen. That was one of the most anticipated matches in boxing history and up to that time shattered all records for a promotion. It was being compared to Ali-Frazier 1 in which you had two undefeated heavyweights of contrasting styles facing one another for the sports greatest prize. The writers and pundits were split right down the middle as to who would win that fight. Anyone who says "they knew that would happen" is full of spit. Nothing in Spink's record ever suggested that he would go out like that and for people who say he looked scared in the ringwalk just look at all of his other ringwalks, he always had that weird nervous look and then came and knocked the shit out of the other guy. I understand its become vogue to bash Tyson's accomplishments but please. That fight was one of the few times that the top two undefeated pound for pound fighters faced each other for the heavyweight championship.
I remember most people - the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY actually - were picking Tyson to win.
And most of them were saying "Tyson, early".
So, I think Duodenum is being fairly accurate.
Of course, Spinks was given a better chance than others had been given against Tyson, to spring an upset, or put up a good fight, but all the smart money was still saying "Tyson early KO".
Most the experts were saying "too big, too fast, too strong, he's gonna overpower him". That's not revisionism.
0f course, no one was saying 91 seconds, they figured Spinks might be able to run for 3 or 4 rounds, but an early rounds blast-out was a common prediction.
And I dont think Spinks was considered in the top 2 pound-for-pound fighters at that time. I might be wrong. KO magazine used to do top 12 pound-for-pound. I think Chavez, Holyfield, and others would be placed above him.
That's not to take anything away from Tyson. I think Spinks was a very good heavyweight. And I actually thought he might give Tyson his toughest fight, or even beat him.
ChrisPontius
02-01-2008, 01:40 PM
I remember most people - the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY actually - were picking Tyson to win.
And most of them were saying "Tyson, early".
Then again, this was the prediction on any Tyson fight, including Holyfield, Lewis et al. Tyson has always done better in predicted outcomes than in actual fights. For the Spinks fight, those predictions were spot on of course. But there were some people who thought Spinks could win - and if not that, he was given the best chance of all fighters in the division. That should count for something. Remember that he had never lost.
Sonny's jab
02-01-2008, 01:42 PM
I say Hearns-Duran too. I'd say "frightening" or "chilling" as well as "awe-inspiring".
Bokaj
02-02-2008, 01:47 PM
No one (me included) has so far named any of SRR:s fights as the best example of an aweinspiring destruction. But surely there must be at least one worth mentioning? Anyone?
Duodenum
02-02-2008, 02:52 PM
I remember most people - the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY actually - were picking Tyson to win.
And most of them were saying "Tyson, early".
So, I think Duodenum is being fairly accurate.
Of course, Spinks was given a better chance than others had been given against Tyson, to spring an upset, or put up a good fight, but all the smart money was still saying "Tyson early KO".
Most the experts were saying "too big, too fast, too strong, he's gonna overpower him". That's not revisionism.
0f course, no one was saying 91 seconds, they figured Spinks might be able to run for 3 or 4 rounds, but an early rounds blast-out was a common prediction.
And I dont think Spinks was considered in the top 2 pound-for-pound fighters at that time. I might be wrong. KO magazine used to do top 12 pound-for-pound. I think Chavez, Holyfield, and others would be placed above him.
That's not to take anything away from Tyson. I think Spinks was a very good heavyweight. And I actually thought he might give Tyson his toughest fight, or even beat him.In some cases, writers and pundits did have an interest in playing up whatever chance Spinks may have had. It was supposed that Cooney would break him in half, and Spinks prevailed in surprising fashion. I was hoping he would likewise succeed over Tyson, but every boxing fan I knew at the time, who was thinking with the head and not the heart, figured it could be Liston/Patterson all over again. I expected Spinks to at least try employing the lateral movement he used against Qawi in unifying the LHW honors. But he tried taking on Tyson the way Patterson did Liston, and wound up on the short end of the same result.
Paid prognosticators may have gone on record saying different things about the projected outcome, but rank and file fans I remember at the time were largely in agreement about Tyson winning early.
Longhhorn71
02-02-2008, 10:29 PM
No one (me included) has so far named any of SRR:s fights as the best example of an aweinspiring destruction. But surely there must be at least one worth mentioning? Anyone?
Seldom mentioned is Hurricane Carter's one round knock out
of welterweight Champ Emile Griffith.
Bald headed Hurricane bouncing Griffith off the canvas.
"No welterweight belongs in the ring with me" Carter said afterwards.
Not sure what Griffith was doing up with the middleweights, ...he
went back down and defended against Luis Rodriquez.
Russell
02-02-2008, 10:50 PM
Think that had more to do with Carter's psyche job on Griffith before the fight, tearing him apart about being gay.
Carter was a scary dude to begin with.
Russell
02-02-2008, 10:53 PM
Any mention of McClellan vs. Jackson II?
They waged war the first time, then the second time the first punch Gerald throws, he stuns Jackson, and then it's over.
No one ever did that to Jackson before or after, and it wasn't even a give and take one round slugfest.
McClellan just absolutely destroyed him.
TBooze
02-03-2008, 04:31 AM
Think that had more to do with Carter's psyche job on Griffith before the fight, tearing him apart about being gay.
Carter was a scary dude to begin with.
Carter did a psyche job on Griffith no doubt, but it was nothing to do with Emile's sexuality.
Rubin and Emile were friends and Carter stated that he told Emile he was not in that good a shape, thus Griffith did not give it his all in training and paid the price in the fight.
Paret was the one who brought up Emile's sexuality.
My dinner with Conteh
02-03-2008, 05:00 AM
George Kennedy pummeling Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke (aka Foreman-Frazier).
markedwardscott
02-24-2008, 09:43 AM
agree with Hearns-Cuevas
biglads
02-24-2008, 09:46 AM
Lewis - Golota was quite the blowout.
OLD FOGEY
02-24-2008, 09:58 AM
Most ATGs have at least one fight in which they look absolutely invincible. Which of one these do you the find the most awe-inspiring/impressive, or do you have another that you think is the top one?
Dempsey vs Willard
Louis vs Schmeling II
Liston vs Patterson
Ali vs C. Williams
Foreman vs Frazier
Hearns vs Duran
Tyson vs M. Spinks
Given the quality of the opposition, I would take Schmeling over Louis (1936) and Douglas over Tyson.
janitor
02-24-2008, 01:29 PM
Given the quality of the opposition, I would take Schmeling over Louis (1936) and Douglas over Tyson.
Were these upsets as huge as perceived in hindsight?
Louis was in his second year as a pro going up against a former champion who was stylisticaly a more dangerous match than Carnera or Baer. Realisticaly he should only have been instaled as a 2/1 or 3/1 favourite.
Tyson should only have been a 10/1 favourite over Douglas who was at least a live challenger.
OLD FOGEY
02-24-2008, 01:33 PM
Were these upsets as huge as perceived in hindsight?
Louis was in his second year as a pro going up against a former champion who was stylisticaly a more dangerous match than Carnera or Baer. Realisticaly he should only have been instaled as a 2/1 or 3/1 favourite.
Tyson should only have been a 10/1 favourite over Douglas who was at least a live challenger.
I understood the question not as what was the biggest upset but what was the most awe-inspring destruction. Louis and Tyson were top tier talents beaten utterly and completely.
ChrisPontius
02-24-2008, 02:21 PM
I understood the question not as what was the biggest upset but what was the most awe-inspring destruction. Louis and Tyson were top tier talents beaten utterly and completely.
I would only consider Tyson vs Douglas in that case. Douglas completely dominated Tyson with the exception of 11 seconds in round 8.
Louis had pretty good moments against Schmeling. If i remember correct, he had a pretty good 3rd or 4th round landing several combinations.
Vantage_West
02-24-2008, 02:29 PM
Toney - Barkley!great call
:good absolute master class by toney
Vantage_West
02-24-2008, 02:32 PM
norris - leonard anyone?
OLD FOGEY
02-24-2008, 02:39 PM
[quote=ChrisPontius]I would only consider Tyson vs Douglas in that case. Douglas completely dominated Tyson with the exception of 11 seconds in round 8.
Louis had pretty good moments against Schmeling. If i remember correct, he had a pretty good 3rd or 4th round landing several combinations.[/quote
I was not thinking along the lines of 'there was never a moment that could be called Tyson' or 'there was never a moment that could be called Louis'. I was thinking of the absolute completeness of the final destruction of a top tier talent.
Dempsey1238
02-24-2008, 02:41 PM
The first Schmeling fight, I belive Louis had a pretty bad 4th round. Being knockdown and takeing shots like that.
Russell
02-24-2008, 03:10 PM
Carter did a psyche job on Griffith no doubt, but it was nothing to do with Emile's sexuality.
Rubin and Emile were friends and Carter stated that he told Emile he was not in that good a shape, thus Griffith did not give it his all in training and paid the price in the fight.
Paret was the one who brought up Emile's sexuality.
They were friends afterwords.
I'm next to positive that Carter psyched him out by calling him a "faggot" at the weigh in.
janitor
02-24-2008, 03:25 PM
I was not thinking along the lines of 'there was never a moment that could be called Tyson' or 'there was never a moment that could be called Louis'. I was thinking of the absolute completeness of the final destruction of a top tier talent.
I think Louis was winning the fight up untill the 4th round. The referre threatened to stop the fight and TKO Schmeling if he did not fight back more. In fact I think Schmeling might have even foxed and sprung his trap in the fourth round.
Schmeling looked prety beaten up at the end of the fight. He knew he would have to be prepared to get his face busted up to take the fight.
TBooze
02-24-2008, 04:02 PM
They were friends afterwords.
I'm next to positive that Carter psyched him out by calling him a "faggot" at the weigh in.
An extract from page 80 of Hurricane; The Life of Rubin Carter, Fighter (James S Hirsch)
The two men (Carter and Griffith) were sparring partners and friends, but in the days leading up to the fight, Carter launched a clever campaign to strike at Griffiths pride.
Carter wanted Griffith to abandon his strongest assets- Speed and Stamina.
Carter began planting stories Griffith was going to run and hide in their fight.
In a pre fight interview with both fighters the day before the match; Griffith stated he was 147lbs World Champ and never ran from anyone and was not about to start with Carter.
Carter stated then Griffith would be Ko'd
Emile shot back, that he had not been Ko'd either, and was going to turn the Hurricane into a gentle breeze
Carter then said
"I oughta cloud up and rain all over you right here. You talk like a champ, but you fight like a woman, who deep down wants to be raped!"
Joe Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy...
Joe was given next to no chance unless he played it safe and didnt take lacy on... not many gave him any chance at all.. near no one.. he was 33? 34? lacy was the star of the division, the next big thing..
:D we all know what happened next - for me i'd pick joe as at least 50-50 against anyone at smw with him that night...
Robbi
02-24-2008, 06:22 PM
Duran when he fought De Jesus for the third time. The most complete Duran performance as a lightweight IMO. Steady pressure, patience, ring generalship, superb slipping; waist and head movement. And when the knockout came, it was devastating. A brilliant showing over 12 rounds against his biggest enemy in the division. Everything fell into place throughout the fight for Duran. The moves, the punch picking, with the finish being icing on the cake.
This performance from Duran wasn't short and sweet like Louis v Schmeling II or Tyson v Spinks, but it every bit as convincing.
pryorgatti
02-24-2008, 06:30 PM
I like Tyson vs Berbick.
Like Merchant said, Mike fought exactly how a HW his style should've fought that night.
Robbi
02-24-2008, 06:36 PM
I like Tyson vs Berbick.
Like Merchant said, Mike fought exactly how a HW his style should've fought that night.
Tyson was indeed as good as he ever looked, before or since, against Berbick. A bit more to view regarding offense compared to the Spinks fight. The Spinks fight was more hyped and it was two undefeated fighters coming together. With Spinks percieved as the linear champion without holding a title, Tyson had so much to prove going into the fight.
Tyson's status was bigger going into the Spinks fight than it was for Berbick.
mochabuzz
02-25-2008, 02:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duodenum
Tyson's demolition of Mike Spinks didn't shock anybody I knew at the time. As was the case with Liston/Patterson, it's striking how many people accurately predicted the nature of this outcome. Once Tyson dropped him with that right to the body, it became apparent Spinks wouldn't be able to last, granite chin or not.
Talk about revisionist history. Nobody knew that was going to happen. That was one of the most anticipated matches in boxing history and up to that time shattered all records for a promotion. It was being compared to Ali-Frazier 1 in which you had two undefeated heavyweights of contrasting styles facing one another for the sports greatest prize. The writers and pundits were split right down the middle as to who would win that fight. Anyone who says "they knew that would happen" is full of spit. Nothing in Spink's record ever suggested that he would go out like that and for people who say he looked scared in the ringwalk just look at all of his other ringwalks, he always had that weird nervous look and then came and knocked the shit out of the other guy. I understand its become vogue to bash Tyson's accomplishments but please. That fight was one of the few times that the top two undefeated pound for pound fighters faced each other for the heavyweight championship.
I agree with klompton....
I just watched the entire three hour broadcast of Tyson vs Spinks: HBO coverage, news coverage & pre/post fight coverage.... I have to say that most sports reporters were divided right down the middle between tyson and spinks. It should have been a good fight, but as it turns out it was a blowout. Kinda like the 1990 superbowl: Denver vs San Francisco (Elway vs Montana). But the Broncos got slaughtered 55-10!
jimmie
02-25-2008, 03:34 AM
Most ATGs have at least one fight in which they look absolutely invincible. Which of one these do you the find the most awe-inspiring/impressive, or do you have another that you think is the top one?
Dempsey vs Willard
Louis vs Schmeling II
Liston vs Patterson
Ali vs C. Williams
Foreman vs Frazier
Hearns vs Duran
Tyson vs M. Spinks
Id go with Duran because heres a guy who about 90 percent of the boxing world consider a top 10 ATG fighter who went on to actually win the Middleweight Championship after fighting Hearns was outclassed and KOed flat on his face brutally in just 2 rounds with a single right hand.
fists of fury
02-25-2008, 03:51 AM
Most ATGs have at least one fight in which they look absolutely invincible. Which of one these do you the find the most awe-inspiring/impressive, or do you have another that you think is the top one?
Dempsey vs Willard
Louis vs Schmeling II
Liston vs Patterson
Ali vs C. Williams
Foreman vs Frazier
Hearns vs Duran
Tyson vs M. Spinks
I'd say either Louis-Schmeling 2, or Foreman-Frazier. I can't make up my mind between the two.
*Edit*
Actually, probably Tommy's destruction of Duran, come to think of it.
Illmatic
02-25-2008, 05:14 AM
Foreman vs. Frazier. Joe was pretty darn good. IMO bunch the best of the KTFO victims, and undefeated. Hearns Vs. Durans a close second
great pick.
Rise Above
02-25-2008, 05:27 AM
Hearns destruction of Duran was awesome.
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