Should Hatton go into the UFC? [Archive]

saul_ir34

02-02-2008, 10:28 PM

Ok so Hatton is no boxer. He is a brawler who wrestles at times more than he punches. This is not gonna stand since refs wont allow this because its boring to the fans and they have to break it up. However there is a sport that clinching is not a sin and you dont even need to know how to throw a good punch to be succesful in.
Why not go into the UFC?
He can clinch wrestle and even go to the ground if he wants. I just dont think he is right for boxing. I like fights where you cant even remember if there was a clinch or not. Not a slow dance session.

And please dont make us watch a PBF-Hatton fight again. There is no need for another one. Hatton should either fight Witter Paulie or maybe Torres. If its not one of them just go into the UFC since i know not many will miss you in the boxing scene!!

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 10:29 PM

No, Hatton is a good boxer and brawler aand is the best 140 pound fighter in the world IMO.

john b

02-02-2008, 10:30 PM

No, Hatton is a good boxer and brawler aand is the best 140 pound fighter in the world IMO.

Thankyou. Fuck me just cause he gets beat of the best fighter in the last ten years he his a bum.

cardstars

02-02-2008, 10:31 PM

umm no

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 10:32 PM

Thankyou. Fuck me just cause he gets beat of the best fighter in the last ten years he his a bum.

Exactly, I hate stupid threads like these.

saul_ir34

02-02-2008, 10:32 PM

saul_ir34

02-02-2008, 10:34 PM

Exactly, I hate stupid threads like these.

Oh please. This is coming from the guy who thinks Mayweather would handle Cotto the same way he handled Gatti.
:rofl

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 10:35 PM

Oh please. This is coming from the guy who thinks Mayweather would handle Cotto the same way he handled Gatti.
:rofl

But I never said Cotto should got UFC.

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 10:36 PM

But I never said Cotto should got UFC.

No, but you made an equally bad thread. In the future, if you are going to claim something like that, back it up w/ consistancy in your examples.

john b

02-02-2008, 10:37 PM

The Mayweather loss is not his fault. He was in a level he did not belong in.
I just cant stand his fighting. Too much clinching. I guess his style is not for me and the 140 lb division is not so great so the obvious thing to do is go to 147 which we all know he cant hang in.
I seriously believe he is fit for the UFC more.

Why because he can't do MMA and that is what you need to be successful in ufc. Hatton at 140 is different to the one at 147, I should know i seen most of his fights at 140.

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 10:38 PM

No, but you made an equally bad thread. In the future, if you are going to claim something like that, back it up w/ consistancy in your examples.

And if PBF goes on to beat Cotto one-sidedly then my analysis will make sense.

saul_ir34

02-02-2008, 10:39 PM

But I never said Cotto should got UFC.

Well because he is boxing material and he can hang at the top.

Hatton can hang at the top maybe if he cleans out the 140 division which is shit right now. And i really doubt he could do this.
I just cant stand to watch Hatton wrestle around in the ring and be considered a great fighter in boxing!
Besides his style would be more entertaining in the UFC i think. Where the rules actually allow you to clinch and wrestle as long as you want.

john b

02-02-2008, 10:40 PM

And if PBF goes on to beat Cotto one-sidedly then my analysis will make sense.

Very true and will be cotto labelled overrated as well like hatton is?

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 10:40 PM

Well because he is boxing material and he can hang at the top.

Hatton can hang at the top maybe if he cleans out the 140 division which is shit right now. And i really doubt he could do this.
I just cant stand to watch Hatton wrestle around in the ring and be considered a great fighter in boxing!
Besides his style would be more entertaining in the UFC i think. Where the rules actually allow you to clinch and wrestle as long as you want.

The 140 lb Division is actualy pretty good IMO. You got fighters like Malignaggi, Witter, and Torres as Champions.

saul_ir34

02-02-2008, 10:41 PM

And if PBF goes on to beat Cotto one-sidedly then my analysis will make sense.

Im not saying Cotto will beat whoop on PBF. To me its a 50-50 fight. Maybe 51-49 going Mayweathers way. all the guys Mayweather has faced and decisioned Cotto has gone on to completely dominate and knock out.
If this fight does happen, trust me, it will not be one sided.

saul_ir34

02-02-2008, 10:42 PM

Very true and will be cotto labelled overrated as well like hatton is?

It wont be one sided come on now.

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 10:42 PM

Very true and will be cotto labelled overrated as well like hatton is?

I sure as hell won't say Cotto is overrated.

john b

02-02-2008, 10:43 PM

It wont be one sided come on now.

Why because he has beat judah and mosely.

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 10:45 PM

And if PBF goes on to beat Cotto one-sidedly then my analysis will make sense.

That wasn't an analysis you made. You just posted a video.

saul_ir34

02-02-2008, 10:47 PM

The 140 lb Division is actualy pretty good IMO. You got fighters like Malignaggi, Witter, and Torres as Champions.

Malignaggi- Decent fighter. In my opinion Drew in his last fight with Ngoudju(lost some nice Vcash on that). Hatton is certainly above Ngoudju's level so he should beat him.
Witter- I think Witter beats Hatton. Too slick. Hatton would have trouble with that.
Torres- Probably the worst of the 3 but he is got a hell of a punch and Hattons chin is not the greatest. Good but not great. If Hatton gets caught too much Torres could go on to finish him off.

None of these guys are ranked anywhere near the top 20 p4p. That tells you the division is not so great.

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 10:48 PM

That wasn't an analysis you made. You just posted a video.

Which is what I think will happen to Cotto. Duh.:nut

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 10:49 PM

Which is what I think will happen to Cotto. Duh.:nut

Which is an opinion based on nothing really. Just the hopes of a 14yo who just got into boxing.

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 10:49 PM

Which is an opinion based on nothing really. Just the hopes of a 14yo who just got into boxing.

Actually, it's what I think what will happen to Cotto in the fight.

saul_ir34

02-02-2008, 10:51 PM

Why because he has beat judah and mosely.

Yes the Judah that technically knocked PBF down. The same one who many believe beat Floyd the first 4-5 rounds. But as usual Zab fell apart.
Cotto knocked his ass out.
Mosley. Hell he is in the top 3 WW right now. The most talented division in boxing right now. Put your Hatton boy in with Mosley and you get a complete destruction of Hatton.

Cotto is proven. PBF beats him its because PBF is a hell of a fighter. I like both fighters. There can be no loser in that fight. both are proven and tested champs.

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 10:52 PM

Actually, it's what I think what will happen to Cotto in the fight.

WHat do you base that prediction on? Cotto is ten times the boxer Gatti is, and hits a lot harder. Not to mention, he has defense, Gatti's defense is his chin. Cotto puts punches together myuch better then Gatti does as well.

So, what are you basing that on other then being a huge Mayweather Jr. fan?

This is where your 'analysis' comes in handy.:deal

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 10:54 PM

Yes the Judah that technically knocked PBF down. The same one who many believe beat Floyd the first 4-5 rounds. But as usual Zab fell apart.
Cotto knocked his ass out.
Mosley. Hell he is in the top 3 WW right now. The most talented division in boxing right now. Put your Hatton boy in with Mosley and you get a complete destruction of Hatton.

Cotto is proven. PBF beats him its because PBF is a hell of a fighter. I like both fighters. There can be no loser in that fight. both are proven and tested champs.

Actually, people believe Zab took 3 of the 1st 4 rounds and Zab did not fall apart because of his mentality, but because Floyd started putting pressure on him. And Zab had Cotto hurt in the 1st down and Cotto most likely goes down before he decides to low blow him. And then a few rounds later Zab has Cotto hurt again and what does Cotto do? Goes low on Judah again. That takes alot out of a fighter.

El Puma

02-02-2008, 10:55 PM

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 10:56 PM

WHat do you base that prediction on? Cotto is ten times the boxer Gatti is, and hits a lot harder. Not to mention, he has defense, Gatti's defense is his chin. Cotto puts punches together myuch better then Gatti does as well.

So, what are you basing that on other then being a huge Mayweather Jr. fan?

This is where your 'analysis' comes in handy.:deal

Yes, it does. Cotto got hit over 50% of the time in his last time against Shane and that sets up perect for Floyd sinc Floyd isn't a jab kinda man. He will be able to land that straight right hand along with his left hook and will counter Cotto like crazy IMO.

El Puma

02-02-2008, 11:01 PM

Yes, it does. Cotto got hit over 50% of the time in his last time against Shane and that sets up perect for Floyd sinc Floyd isn't a jab kinda man. He will be able to land that straight right hand along with his left hook and will counter Cotto like crazy IMO.Er...no. FM can land high percentage against Cotto but Cotto WILL make FM fight very cautiously with those crunching body blows he brings. High percentage does not mean high output as Floyd WILL run and it would be very far from what Floyd did to a fighter like Gatti.

Question, do you really believe Floyd would call Cotto a "C class fighter"?:think

saul_ir34

02-02-2008, 11:02 PM

Yes, it does. Cotto got hit over 50% of the time in his last time against Shane and that sets up perect for Floyd sinc Floyd isn't a jab kinda man. He will be able to land that straight right hand along with his left hook and will counter Cotto like crazy IMO.

Hmm Mosley is not a jabbing type of man either. Actually Mosley very rarely uses an effective jab.
Mosley has more power than PBF. This you should know! Mosley landed beatiful shots on Cotto and never once wobbled him. How is PBF going to??
And your posts about Zab. Zab breaks down mentally with every tough opponent. Thats some more common knowledge to you.
You seriously are 14 arent you? and you more than likely just got into boxing from the 24-7 series or MTV cribs.

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 11:05 PM

Yes, it does. Cotto got hit over 50% of the time in his last time against Shane and that sets up perect for Floyd sinc Floyd isn't a jab kinda man. He will be able to land that straight right hand along with his left hook and will counter Cotto like crazy IMO.

So what? Are you assuming Floyd will attack Cotto as muchas Shane did? DO you think he'll take the chances Shane took? Floyd has become a more safety first fighter.

You can't just use the "If Shane did that, Floyd would too" line as your reasoning, because that's too falty and flawed.

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 11:05 PM

:rofl:rofl:rofl:roflLike a Lion smacking a dead mouce around. poor noob:-(
I'm trying to be nice. He's only 14.:smoke

saul_ir34

02-02-2008, 11:12 PM

Well the age should not be a big factor. Its his knowledge that is extremely annoying. Either know what your talking about of just shut tha fuck up!

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 11:12 PM

Well the age should not be a big factor. Its his knowledge that is extremely annoying. Either know what your talking about of just shut tha fuck up!

:lol::lol:

Very well said.

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 11:21 PM

Hmm Mosley is not a jabbing type of man either. Actually Mosley very rarely uses an effective jab.
Mosley has more power than PBF. This you should know! Mosley landed beatiful shots on Cotto and never once wobbled him. How is PBF going to??
And your posts about Zab. Zab breaks down mentally with every tough opponent. Thats some more common knowledge to you.
You seriously are 14 arent you? and you more than likely just got into boxing from the 24-7 series or MTV cribs.

True, Mosley is not a jabbing man, but he also is not a defensive genius like Floyd is. Floyd will frustrate the hell outta Cotto the way he will make Cotto miss IMO.

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 11:25 PM

True, Mosley is not a jabbing man, but he also is not a defensive genius like Floyd is. Floyd will frustrate the hell outta Cotto the way he will make Cotto miss IMO.
You, and several other Mayweather fans, need to get a grip with reality. Mayweather is a defensive wiz, but he CAN be hit. And he will be hit. You guys make it out like no one can touch Mayweather. Or you have to have his defense to be as good as he is. You fanboys make the biggest deal out of Floyd's attributes, and never look at what the other fighter brings. And that's your biggest problem.

El Puma

02-02-2008, 11:26 PM

True, Mosley is not a jabbing man, but he also is not a defensive genius like Floyd is. Floyd will frustrate the hell outta Cotto the way he will make Cotto miss IMO.I myself am STILL waiting on how Floyd will beat Cotto as bad as Gatti?????? That Cotto will be frustrated is a given, will it be enough? Will Cottos shots make Floyd run even more so on fight night? Who has FM faced at WELTER that can pressure and hit like Cotto?

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 11:31 PM

I myself am STILL waiting on how Floyd will beat Cotto as bad as Gatti?????? That Cotto will be frustrated is a given, will it be enough? Will Cottos shots make Floyd run even more so on fight night? Who has FM faced at WELTER that can pressure and hit like Cotto?

Hatton's agrresiviness is way better5 than Cotto's. How will Cotto have Floyd running? Old man Mosley was putting pressure on him for a good chunk of the fight.

doom bull

02-02-2008, 11:32 PM

I don't think any boxer could be successful at a high level in UFC. Unless they took the years to develop a ground game, they would be one dimensional.

SteveO

02-02-2008, 11:33 PM

Thankyou. Fuck me just cause he gets beat of the best fighter in the last ten years he his a bum.

:good

Hatton needs to stay at 140.

He needs to stay out of the UFC.

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 11:34 PM

Hatton's agrresiviness is way better5 than Cotto's. How will Cotto have Floyd running? Old man Mosley was putting pressure on him for a good chunk of the fight.

How is it WAY better? :huh Tell me, whic of the two has looked better @ 147? Cotto's body attack is probably the only one better then Hatton's.

It's his pressure and hard punches that will probably keep Floyd backpeddling some.

El Puma

02-02-2008, 11:35 PM

Hatton's agrresiviness is way better5 than Cotto's. How will Cotto have Floyd running? Old man Mosley was putting pressure on him for a good chunk of the fight.:scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas:IT's called EFFECTIVE AGGRESSIVNESS for a reason NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hatton is pressure 2 shots and hold to Cottos come in and break you shots to head and body in COMBINATION!!!!!

Damn dude, why Lance wastes his time with you is beyond me but please, think a bit before you write, eh??

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 11:37 PM

:scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas:IT's called EFFECTIVE AGGRESSIVNESS for a reason NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hatton is pressure 2 shots and hold to Cottos come in and break you shots to head and body in COMBINATION!!!!!

Damn dude, why Lance wastes his time with you is beyond me but please, think a bit before you write, eh??

I ask myself that all the time. :barf

:lol::lol:

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 11:41 PM

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 11:46 PM

How will Cotto put effective agressiveness on Floyd when he is slower than Hatton? Cotto has never faced anyone like PBF.

What do you mean he's slower then Hatton? Since when is Cotto so slow? Cotto will put effective aggression becuase that's basically how he fights. He stalks his opponents and belts them with his hard punches. Sure Floyd will avoid some, but not al night long.

Who did Douglas face that was like Tyson before they fought? Who did Shane Mosley face who was like DLH before they fought? There are thousands of examples of that logic being meaningless.

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 11:47 PM

What do you mean he's slower then Hatton? Since when is Cotto so slow? Cotto will put effective aggression becuase that's basically how he fights. He stalks his opponents and belts them with his hard punches. Sure Floyd will avoid some, but not al night long.

Who did Douglas face that was like Tyson before they fought? Who did Shane Mosley face who was like DLH before they fought? There are thousands of examples of that logic being meaningless.

I'm not saying Cotto is slow, but he is not as quick as Hatton is.

El Puma

02-02-2008, 11:49 PM

How will Cotto put effective agressiveness on Floyd when he is slower than Hatton? Cotto has never faced anyone like PBF.:scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas::scaredas:AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS GUY CANNOT BE REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *runs out door while screaming and pulling own hair at such a nutterus huggeramis*

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 11:49 PM

I'm not saying Cotto is slow, but he is not as quick as Hatton is.

Cotto's deceptively quick. In hands and movement. Anyway, even if he was slower then Hatton, so what? Do you need to be that quick or faster to be able to beat Floyd? Speed ia a great asset, but it's not the deal maker for making a great fighter.

El Puma

02-02-2008, 11:51 PM

I'm not saying Cotto is slow, but he is not as quick as Hatton is.And guess what? Cotto puts together better and more lethal combos together up and down oppenents bodies. Also, hits harder than Hatton at 147 as evidenced by thier respective performances in said weight division.

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 11:55 PM

Cotto's deceptively quick. In hands and movement. Anyway, even if he was slower then Hatton, so what? Do you need to be that quick or faster to be able to beat Floyd? Speed ia a great asset, but it's not the deal maker for making a great fighter.

But Cotto's got to land those shots and I don't see him landing him the way he has landed them on past opponents. I think Cotto will get frustrated by this and also the fact that Floyd will be landing lots of clean punches on him.

Lance_Uppercut

02-02-2008, 11:57 PM

But Cotto's got to land those shots and I don't see him landing him the way he has landed them on past opponents. I think Cotto will get frustrated by this and also the fact that Floyd will be landing lots of clean punches on him.

For Floyd to land clean punches, he'll have to be close in range. Seeing as he's not one to jab, he'll likely stay in Cotto's range and vice versa. And you can't shoulder roll body punches Gonzo. :deal

Gonzo

02-02-2008, 11:58 PM

For Floyd to land clean punches, he'll have to be close in range. Seeing as he's not one to jab, he'll likely stay in Cotto's range and vice versa. And you can't shoulder roll body punches Gonzo. :deal

Floyd will use the jab if he has to and has already proven this. Floyd's reach is longer than Cotto's so Cotto won't be able to outbox him, he will have to outbrawl him.

El Puma

02-03-2008, 12:04 AM

Floyd will use the jab if he has to and has already proven this. Floyd's reach is longer than Cotto's so Cotto won't be able to outbox him, he will have to outbrawl him.How in the fuck do you "outbrawl" a runner who is not a "jabber" but "will use his jab if he has too"????????

Wow, the effect of being cornered and bludgeoned has on some posters here.:-(

Gonzo

02-03-2008, 12:07 AM

How in the fuck do you "outbrawl" a runner who is not a "jabber" but "will use his jab if he has too"????????

Wow, the effect of being cornered and bludgeoned has on some posters here.:-(

You saw in the fight Floyd used the jab in one round very effectively. How does Floyd win most of his fights? He outboxes you. Floyd is not a runner, it's called "stick and move".

El Puma

02-03-2008, 12:08 AM

You saw in the fight Floyd used the jab in one round very effectively. How does Floyd win most of his fights? He outboxes you. Floyd is not a runner, it's called "stick and move".I thought you said he wasnt a jabber.

P4P Picasso

02-03-2008, 12:09 AM

Gonzo

02-03-2008, 12:12 AM

I thought you said he wasnt a jabber.

He's not, but he can use if effectively when he wants to.

El Puma

02-03-2008, 12:14 AM

You guys are out of your mind to think Cotto has a chance. I give him no chance. Mayweather will beat him easily and the fact that cotto ran like a little girl against mosley towards the end of the fight just made him look bad. Also he has a weak chin:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:patsch:patsch:patschIts like a ton of SmallFry"s (Bigtime9) running around!!!:rofl:roflCo sign!!!!!!:lol::lol::lol::nut:nut:nut:nut

El Puma

02-03-2008, 12:15 AM

He's not, but he can use if effectively when he wants to.Then guess what? HE IS A FUCKING JABBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gonzo

02-03-2008, 12:16 AM

Then guess what? HE IS A FUCKING JABBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No he is not. If he was a jabber he would use his jab all the time, but he doesn't.

El Puma

02-03-2008, 12:18 AM

No he is not. If he was a jabber he would use his jab all the time, but he doesn't.Name me a fucking fighter who used his jab "ALL THE TIME"????!!!!!

Gonzo

02-03-2008, 12:20 AM

Name me a fucking fighter who used his jab "ALL THE TIME"????!!!!!

Winky Wright. Wladimir Klitschko. You make it sound like all you do is throw jabs with every punch in order to be considered a jabber.

El Puma

02-03-2008, 12:23 AM

Winky Wright. Wladimir Klitschko. You make it sound like all you do is throw jabs with every punch in order to be considered a jabber.UHHHH.....those aforementioned fighters DO throw other punches you know. How do you think they got thier kos? A[Only registered and activated users can see links] never mind. *Slams door*

Gonzo

02-03-2008, 12:24 AM

UHHHH.....those aforementioned fighters DO throw other punches you know. How do you think they got thier kos? A[Only registered and activated users can see links] never mind. *Slams door*

No duh but how could you consider Mayweather a jabber when he hardly uses it in? He only uses it when he has to, not on a regular basis like most fighters do.

rreed23

02-03-2008, 12:46 AM

Hatton is an amazing boxer and brawler

tri-pod

02-03-2008, 12:49 AM

cotto mayweather would be a good fight because both fighters are in their prime, one has incredible speed, the other has good power, they both throw combinations together and with cotto staying active mayweather wont be able to just run like he did with oscar, and they are both natrual welter weights neither has to move into a different weight class so they cant make the excuse that they where out of their weight class... but this is getting off thread topic so should hatton go to ufc? of fucking course not. hatton is not terrible you dont get to 43-1 even if you did fight mostly bums if you are not a good boxer... but to prove himself he will have to stop ducking witter. i think they should unify the jr. welterweight titles so we know who is really the best at jr. welterweight and same with welterweight.

saul_ir34

02-03-2008, 02:35 AM

You guys are out of your mind to think Cotto has a chance. I give him no chance. Mayweather will beat him easily and the fact that cotto ran like a little girl against mosley towards the end of the fight just made him look bad. Also he has a weak chin

What he did at the end of that fight is what Mayweather does in all his fights. Its effective boxing. He was backing up most of the time but he was landing the cleaner harder shots.
He was never being backed up and hurt. He was attacking as he was backing up. Like Mayweather does.

saul_ir34

02-03-2008, 02:36 AM

it is a stupid thread....name one top 10 boxer who has ever entered MMA and had any sucess?

Woah wait a minute. Hatton was never on my top 10 list. And i dont think he was on alot of peoples list. Except after he signed for the Mayweather fight. And that was just to hype it up.