As Bad as people have bashed Pride!!!

[chimba]

They are clearly showing they are better...they have captured 3 divisions already in the UFC and they have no entries at WW and Lightweight. They are the ones who needed to adjust (Cage, Kick on ground) and after a year or so they have risen to the top.

[BewareofDawg]

Yeah, no shit. Thank fucking god Nog pulled that sub. We would have never heard the end of Randy > Fedor if Sylvia won.

[Tko4]

This was a good win for Nog. He's clearly shot, and Sylvia isn't. The fact he could still expose Sylvia on the ground speaks volumes to his skills on the ground.

I'm glad Pride is back. At this point, it's fair to say both organizations are fairly even, and you know what, I like it best that way. UFC = Pride.

[chimba]

Yeah, no shit. Thank fucking god Nog pulled that sub. We would have never heard the end of Randy > Fedor if Sylvia won.

Like I said..unless my eyes have lied to me ..and I know they were telling me the truth just like with the GSP/Kos fight:lol: ...Fedor would maul Sylvia..in seconds ..not minutes, seconds!! and the way Nog looks now..hed get demolished as well.

throw in Randy too

[Tko4]

Anderson Silva wasn't a pride fighter...

He had several fights in Pride.

[chimba]

Anderson Silva wasn't a pride fighter...

I think he was fighting in Pride way before you got in to MMA:yep

Ohh if thats the case no one is..

They're all from Japan..where the Competition is weak

[The Whaler]

He had alot of fights in different organizations. So did Penn. So did Rampage.

I repeat:
Silva was not a pride fighter.

Yup. :good

[painforall]

:hi: Fedor is the best HW in the world. Too bad we wont see him in with real competition for a while.

Nog is out of prime but still a monster and a legend.

Why haven't you been posting at BS?

Pride>UFC

All day everyday

Fuck Dana White

[chimba]

Ok I guess St.Pierre is a TKO fighter then.

Dont take this thread where it dont belong...You love UFC..so do I. Im just pointing out the obvious..

[chimba]

Let me guess you picked Sylvia and Lesnar, didn't you? Moron...:rasta

Read the thread..if you were abit smart..youd know I picked neither

[chimba]

Oh, so you're a pussy and scared to speak because you always have to save face after?

Gotcha.

Newbie go back to Sherdog..:lol:

[BewareofDawg]

I <3 you......
Kinda gay, but it's one way to end an argument I guess :lol:

[Dostoevsky]

I > you......

Mods, ban this ass clown.

[Ethan Trims]

He had alot of fights in different organizations. So did Penn. So did Rampage.

I repeat:
Silva was not a pride fighter.

Yeah he was a pride reject who tore through UFC's 185 pound div..:lol:

[BewareofDawg]

Yeah he was a pride reject who tore through UFC's 185 pound div..:lol:
Why stay in Pride and deal with Lindland and Hendo, when you can come to the UFC and fight Leben :lol:

[Ethan Trims]

Why stay in Pride and deal with Lindland and Hendo, when you can come to the UFC and fight Leben :lol:

yeah,

im just glad Ill never have to hear another moron say Ufc>Pride

[AJAX]

Because Nog got a sub after getting beat up by Tim Sylvia doesn't make pride "better" all of the Suddan... I think both org's are almost even if you go by the head to head fights , and I am glad Pride is gone just because we get to see the worlds best fight each other. Nog prob has the best resume of all heavy weight fighters and it's good to see the best fight the best.....except for Fedor and his current circus act he is on.

[Polymath]

Because Nog got a sub after getting beat up by Tim Sylvia doesn't make pride "better" all of the Suddan... I think both org's are almost even if you go by the head to head fights , and I am glad Pride is gone just because we get to see the worlds best fight each other. Nog prob has the best resume of all heavy weight fighters and it's good to see the best fight the best.....except for Fedor and his current circus act he is on.
:patsch:patsch:patsch

Nog didnt get 'beat up' by Timmy Boy, he caught two big punches in rd1 then came back and convincingly outjabbed Sylvia in rd, then sumbitted him in 3.

'Beat up' jeez you've go to wonder about the sanity of these UFC fanboys.

[AJAX]

:patsch:patsch:patsch

Nog didnt get 'beat up' by Timmy Boy, he caught two big punches in rd1 then came back and convincingly outjabbed Sylvia in rd, then sumbitted him in 3.

'Beat up' jeez you've go to wonder about the sanity of these UFC fanboys.

he took alot of shots and was bleeding and was in alot of trouble in round 1 :patsch :patsch :patsch so you can throw all the epicons in you want Tim was getting the better of him, but once it went to the ground Tim was a fish in water. I'm a MMA fan just because I don't bash the uFC doesn't make me a fan boy... I have the ability to like Pride, UFC, Elite XC etc... unlike some biased tunnel visioned people around here.

[Beebs]

I think he was fighting in Pride way before you got in to MMA:yep

Ohh if thats the case no one is..

They're all from Japan..where the Competition is weak

Silva had more fights in cage rage and mecca.

[boxingcar]

Dude, I like Pride more. I'm just saying, Anderson isn't a Pride fighter....he is a pride fighter about as much as Chuck Lidell is.

I see what you mean , but that's an exageration though.
Anderson Silva fought 5 times in pride fc and 5 times in ufc

But i'll tell you something though...pride fc fighter or not...
He was submited twice over there. Once by Chonan & also by Takase.

[ufoalf]

Well, either way we know that Pride had more great champions of the 2 orgs. But UFC has the better middle class. So on average they're about the same.

At least thats my POV on this whole thing.

[Nuke]

In hopefully a year or less there will be no more arguing about which org. is/was better, Pride is done UFC is still going so who cares the arguing should be over by now.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

If anything, I think that the UFC has shown that Pride was NOT better. Let's look at the fights that have taken place in the United States, with drug testing.

Liddell beats Wanderlei Silva

Gonzaga beats Cro-Cop

Kongo beats Cro-Cop

Diaz beats Gomi

Griffin beats Shogun

Pretty much everyone beats Herring

Nog has had his ass kicked twice in his two wins... almost knocked out both times. Also, he won the vacant title against the guy who got completely owned and dominated every second of every round against the man who vacated the title. He barely escaped with a win in that fight.

I don't consider Anderson Silva a pride fighter....

The one bright spot for Pride is Rampage. He has done great in the UFC, and seems more suited to fight in the UFC cage than he did in the Pride ring.

I really don't see how Pride has shown to be better... that is a pretty outlandish statement. All of their "best" fighters outside of Fedor have come over and lost. Jackson was considered sort of at the end of his rope and brought his career back in the UFC.

I was a fan of both, but that "pride fighters are so much better" myth has been blown to pieces, and then set on fire.

[Polymath]

I don't consider Anderson Silva a pride fighter....

:patsch

But you do consider the likes of Gonzaga and Kongo to be "UFC FIGHTERS"

Your reasoning is dismal and betrays your UFC fanboyism.

[Nuke]

I think the difference from the ring to the cage is a bigger factor then most would like to admit. I could care less about where a guy fought first, I just have always liked the ring better then the cage and the rules over seas then American rules. Plus I also have to admit I do like the freakshow match-ups that Japanese orgs. put on, and I also hate the 265lb weight limit in the UFC. I just like to watch the fights I really don't think anygood comes out of "which organization is better" debates.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

:patsch

But you do consider the likes of Gonzaga and Kongo to be "UFC FIGHTERS"

Your reasoning is dismal and betrays your UFC fanboyism.
Yea... whatever.

To be honest... I think that they are all just "fighters" who at times fight for one org or another. I never used to tell people that the UFC was better.... but I have always said that Pride wasn't better. It depends on how fighters match up individually, no matter what "org" they fight in. However, I do know from first hand accounts that the drug abuse in Pride was completely out of control. Which is why fighters who fought in Japan rarely look the same when they fight in the USA.

I mean, people call guys like Coleman, Randleman, Barnett, W. Silva, ect... Pride fighters, and they fought in the UFC before they ever fought in Pride. This has nothing to do with being a "fanboy". This is about being logical. Who in their right mind gives a fuck about the organization? I watch this for the fights, and the fighters, not because I have some sort of tie to an organization. I watched every single pride event, just like I watch every single UFC event. It was just annoying always hearing people yap about how much better Pride fighters were... when I knew it wasn't true.

Besides that.. Pride is gone, and I don't know why people are still being called "Pride fighters".

As I stated before.. I think that the only REAL difference is that fighting in Japan, you can be cranked up on whatever gets you going... and in the USA they test for every drug known to them. Doesn't mean that every one of them are doing it. Nog never struck me as someone who did that, neither did Henderson or Fedor.

[Polymath]

It was just annoying always hearing people yap about how much better Pride fighters were... when I knew it wasn't true.
Same way you knew Glass Waldo was a better fighter than Lennox lewis :lol:

[Dostoevsky]

However, I do know from first hand accounts that the drug abuse in Pride was completely out of control.


Any dirt? Who did take juice and who didn't?
Randleman, Coleman, Sapp, Wandy, Arona, Filho, Gomi, Crocop, I think they might be a given.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Any dirt? Who did take juice and who didn't?
Randleman, Coleman, Sapp, Wandy, Arona, Filho, Gomi, Crocop, I think they might be a given.
Well, I wouldn't do that... as some of the people that I talk to who have fought in the org have taken substances themselves. I think that it was rather obvious who was on them, and who wasn't. And the list of who was is a lot longer than those who weren't.:D

[Dostoevsky]

Coleman and Randleman are the obvious ones. Wanderlei as well.
I wouldn't be suprised if Barnett used them too. (he has the history)
And maybe Nog, he has looked very slow recently and not the same person, perhaps he isn't using the extra boost juice due to the US tests. :think

[rydersonthestorm]

Coleman and Randleman are the obvious ones. Wanderlei as well.
I wouldn't be suprised if Barnett used them too. (he has the history)
And maybe Nog, he has looked very slow recently and not the same person, perhaps he isn't using the extra boost juice due to the US tests. :think
I would be suprised if nog had been using them as he was never that quick paced to start with he is just getting older and feeling the effect of the wars.

[scurlaruntings]

Coleman and Randleman are the obvious ones. Wanderlei as well.
I wouldn't be suprised if Barnett used them too. (he has the history)
And maybe Nog, he has looked very slow recently and not the same person, perhaps he isn't using the extra boost juice due to the US tests. :thinkBarnett got busted for steroid use after beating up Couture.

[scurlaruntings]

I would be suprised if nog had been using them as he was never that quick paced to start with he is just getting older and feeling the effect of the wars.:good

[Dostoevsky]

Barnett got busted for steroid use after beating up Couture.

I know. If he used them in the UFC then whats to say he wouldn't use them in the drug free testing of Pride?

[boxingcar]

If anything, I think that the UFC has shown that Pride was NOT better. Let's look at the fights that have taken place in the United States, with drug testing.

Liddell beats Wanderlei Silva

Gonzaga beats Cro-Cop

Kongo beats Cro-Cop

Diaz beats Gomi

Griffin beats Shogun

Pretty much everyone beats Herring

Nog has had his ass kicked twice in his two wins... almost knocked out both times. Also, he won the vacant title against the guy who got completely owned and dominated every second of every round against the man who vacated the title. He barely escaped with a win in that fight.

I don't consider Anderson Silva a pride fighter....

The one bright spot for Pride is Rampage. He has done great in the UFC, and seems more suited to fight in the UFC cage than he did in the Pride ring.

I really don't see how Pride has shown to be better... that is a pretty outlandish statement. All of their "best" fighters outside of Fedor have come over and lost. Jackson was considered sort of at the end of his rope and brought his career back in the UFC.

I was a fan of both, but that "pride fighters are so much better" myth has been blown to pieces, and then set on fire.

Liddell beats wanderlei.
But prime wanderlei defeated Jackson twice.
Also , don't forget that wandy was annihilated again and again...(against Henderson and Crocop) , prior to his fight against Liddell...
so what's your point ? maybe that wandy is shot ? if so , then you're probably right.

Gonzaga beats Crocop..
Ok , but Werdum defeated Gonzaga , not once...but twice now.
What's your point ?...that Gonzaga is somehow supposed to prove ufc's superiority ? so let me get this straight. Gonzaga who's got a total of 6 in the ufc is ok , but anderson Silva who's got an equal number of fights in both Pride fc & ufc (5 fights in both orgs) only reps the ufc right ?..

Here's the deal...
Anderson , whether you look at it one way or the other..
fought 5 fucking times in pride just like he did in the ufc.
and whatever we're gonna label him...He got subbed twice in pride anyway.
and he's doing a killing in ufc's mw division.

Gonzaga beat crocop but got defeated again , just like in 2003...by the same guy...(werdum) , pretty much the same scenario of liddell vs jackson.. (jackson owned liddell in 2003 and did it again for the belt).

Kongo beats crocop...
Kongo also got beat by Gilbert Yvel ,and Yvel even lost against Minowa...
Kongo's defeat against crocop just indicates what we already knew...Crocop is not the same anymore. It happens.
and before you tell me that it's an "excuse"....

Could you seriously tell me with a straight face that Kongo > prime aerts , hoost , bernardo , hug , le banner , feitosa etc....in the striking department ? fuck no....Crocop used to fight these guys , and fought way superior competition in the past....comparing today's guy to the one of the K1 era or 2002- 2005 mma era...is meaningless..

It's like giving all the credit int he world to McBride for beating a shot Tyson. And you know it.

Diaz beats Gomi...
Again , this someone proves that ufc > pride ?
Are you forgeting that Diaz also got beat by Noons ?
And guess what ?
Charles Bennet > Noons
Kawajiri > Charles Bennet
Gomi > Kawajiri

I know this mmath is bullshit , but pointing the fact that Diaz > Gomi is somehow an indication that ufc > pride is just as fucking stupid when you actually pay close attention to Diaz' losses.

You don't like when people say pride > ufc but you're not complaining when everyone's sucking on dana's dick either...

Griffin beats Shogun.
Big fuckin deal...Sobral did it too in IFC.
does that take away shogun's dominant victories from the 2005 gp ? fuck no. and don't forget that jackson (today's lhw champ) was ALSO part of the 2005 gp , and lost against shogun too.
what are you gonna do now ?
make a petition to give griffin jackson's belt ?
Guess what ?
Griffin also lost against Horn ,and Horn lost vs Arona...
and arona got beat by shogun too...

[scurlaruntings]

I know. If he used them in the UFC then whats to say he wouldn't use them in the drug free testing of Pride?May be but its not a pre requiste for simply saying ALL PRIDE fighters were on gear. The NSAC test for gear and yet rountinely UFC fighters have been caught out. Rules or not fighters break them.Its part of the territory.

[boxingcar]

Continuing with Nogueira..You're saying that he got his ass beat....
So fucking what ?
Nogueira got his ass beat by many fighters in his career and even had to endure more brutal punishements in his career...so what ?

Reality check ....No matter how you look at it
Nogueira defeated Barnett
Barnett defeated a prime couture..

a past prime nogueira even finished tim.
Couture didn't. Even at his worst , Nog still found a way to finish the fucking fight in the 3rd. I know it's the new trend to shit all over ex pride fighters but give the guy a fucking break already..

[boxingcar]

I really don't see how Pride has shown to be better... that is a pretty outlandish statement. All of their "best" fighters outside of Fedor have come over and lost. Jackson was considered sort of at the end of his rope and brought his career back in the UFC.

I was a fan of both, but that "pride fighters are so much better" myth has been blown to pieces, and then set on fire.
I tell you what , orgs may not create or train these fucking fighters , but your remark is still incredibly biased. You don't like the pride myth but you're OK when a ufc fighter is winning...

Another reality check though...
AGAIN , no matter how you look at it...
Anderson silva
Antonio nogueira
Jackson....

All ex pride fc fighter , all ufc champions.
and the saddest thing is that even when you don't concider anderson to be an "ex pride" fighter , the guy got subbed twice in pride anyway..it's a lose lose situation ...

It's actually a first in mma history...
3 guys , all 3 , sharing the same career past in japan...managed to grab the belt in today's # 1 org.

Not bad....
Werdum > Gonzaga twice...
Gonzaga is not even part of the equation anymore...

Fighters are fighters...
i don't know what pride fc's ex talents have proven...
But what i do fuckin know is no matter how "bad" or "good" they're supposed to be... 3 of them , used to fight over there and these 3 are champions now.

that's pretty good for a bunch of overrated cunts isn't it ?
We just need to stop this pride vs ufc bullshit once and for all...
because pride is dead anyway.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Liddell beats wanderlei.
But prime wanderlei defeated Jackson twice.
Also , don't forget that wandy was annihilated again and again...(against Henderson and Crocop) , prior to his fight against Liddell...
so what's your point ? maybe that wandy is shot ? if so , then you're probably right.

Gonzaga beats Crocop..
Ok , but Werdum defeated Gonzaga , not once...but twice now.
What's your point ?...that Gonzaga is somehow supposed to prove ufc's superiority ? so let me get this straight. Gonzaga who's got a total of 6 in the ufc is ok , but anderson Silva who's got an equal number of fights in both Pride fc & ufc (5 fights in both orgs) only reps the ufc right ?..

Here's the deal...
Anderson , whether you look at it one way or the other..
fought 5 fucking times in pride just like he did in the ufc.
and whatever we're gonna label him...He got subbed twice in pride anyway.
and he's doing a killing in ufc's mw division.

Gonzaga beat crocop but got defeated again , just like in 2003...by the same guy...(werdum) , pretty much the same scenario of liddell vs jackson.. (jackson owned liddell in 2003 and did it again for the belt).

Kongo beats crocop...
Kongo also got beat by Gilbert Yvel ,and Yvel even lost against Minowa...
Kongo's defeat against crocop just indicates what we already knew...Crocop is not the same anymore. It happens.
and before you tell me that it's an "excuse"....

Could you seriously tell me with a straight face that Kongo > prime aerts , hoost , bernardo , hug , le banner , feitosa etc....in the striking department ? fuck no....Crocop used to fight these guys , and fought way superior competition in the past....comparing today's guy to the one of the K1 era or 2002- 2005 mma era...is meaningless..

It's like giving all the credit int he world to McBride for beating a shot Tyson. And you know it.

Diaz beats Gomi...
Again , this someone proves that ufc > pride ?
Are you forgeting that Diaz also got beat by Noons ?
And guess what ?
Charles Bennet > Noons
Kawajiri > Charles Bennet
Gomi > Kawajiri

I know this mmath is bullshit , but pointing the fact that Diaz > Gomi is somehow an indication that ufc > pride is just as fucking stupid when you actually pay close attention to Diaz' losses.

You don't like when people say pride > ufc but you're not complaining when everyone's sucking on dana's dick either...

Griffin beats Shogun.
Big fuckin deal...Sobral did it too in IFC.
does that take away shogun's dominant victories from the 2005 gp ? fuck no. and don't forget that jackson (today's lhw champ) was ALSO part of the 2005 gp , and lost against shogun too.
what are you gonna do now ?
make a petition to give griffin jackson's belt ?
Guess what ?
Griffin also lost against Horn ,and Horn lost vs Arona...
and arona got beat by shogun too...
I really don't feel like getting into this argument. It means nothing. I didn't bother reading anything more than the first part, and already you point out Wanderlei coming off of two losses... and fail to point out that Liddell is also coming off of two losses... and he is a lot older than Silva. There is no point in going back and forth about this nonsense. They are all in the UFC now, so I guess they are all "UFC fighters".

[boxingcar]

Btw , let's not forget a little detail...
Remember Rizzo in pride fc ?
Got murked by Zentsov and Kharitonov.
Kharitonov took maybe 2 mins or less and zentsov finished him in 30 seconds...

Remember , Rizzo wasn't just anybody either..
Got beat by randleman in his prime sure..
but he's also the same guy who beat Arlovski , barnett , Ricco...

and before anyone gives me the "past prime" excuse (that no one wants to accept when it comes to crocop)...

Let's not forget that the same guy who got killed in japan , made a come back , and tkoed Monson in 2007.

The very same Monson who lost against Sylvia
(the very same sylvia who lost against a way , WAY past prime Nogueira)

[AJAX]

let a dead dog lye, Now we get to see better fights with better fighters, i'm glad alot of pride fighters have come over, win or lose most of the best fighters are fighting each other, rather then spreading out in different org's avoiding each other.

[boxingcar]

hey are all in the UFC now, so I guess they are all "UFC fighters".

They are...so don't bring this shit up again...because you have no valid points.

[Polymath]

I really don't feel like getting into this argument. It means nothing. I didn't bother reading anything more than the first part, and already you point out Wanderlei coming off of two losses... and fail to point out that Liddell is also coming off of two losses... and he is a lot older than Silva. There is no point in going back and forth about this nonsense. They are all in the UFC now, so I guess they are all "UFC fighters".

You can't post that big pile of wank and then claim to be impartial. You DID feel like getting into this argument before you got your ass owned :good

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

They are...so don't bring this shit up again...because you have no valid points.
Yea.... are you going to be alright? Do you jack off to the pride emblem? I think that the valid points are pretty simple. Most of the "pride fighters" that have fought in the UFC have lost. Really don't need to make excuses for every fight, and every fighter. It makes you look pathetic.

[scurlaruntings]

Well the reality is 3 guys that were NOT the best in there divisions in PRIDE are all now UFC champions with fantastic resumes. The CC and Shogun loss`s were aberations but these things happen. Thats the nature of the fight game and MMA. Guys were ready to write off Liddell after he lost to Jardine.All of a sudden his again a world beater now that his beaten up a shot Wanderlai. Too many UFC fanboys are just that and cant seem to see further than the last fight they`ve watched.

Wether fan boys like to admit it or not, PRIDE WAS deeper than the UFC. They did boast more talent and had the better fights as well as a better presentation. To argue the semantics now over which org is better is completely immaterial.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

You can't post that big pile of wank and then claim to be impartial. You DID feel like getting into this argument before you got your ass owned :good
Owned in what way?:lol: Wow, you guys are some serious losers. Is this how you spend every day of your life? Arguing for days about this worthless nonsense? I stated my point, and that is it. I don't need to respond to a bunch of pathetic excuses about "why" all of the pride fighters got their dicks knocked in the dirt when they fought in the UFC. Cro Cop was "washed up", even though he just came over from Pride after completely dominating the open weight GP, and everyone considered him to be at his absolute best, even saying that he would beat Fedor if they fought again. Then he gets destroyed in the UFC, and all of the sudden "he doesn't look the same", and "he is shot". Of course he doesn't look the same. You aren't used to seeing him get his ass kicked. That doesn't mean that he is shot. I am supposed to stop and respond to all of those moronic statements? I am above that nonsense. If people without a working brain want to believe that, then what do I care? There will always be morons in this world, and it isn't my job to try and educate them.

Now, I will let you two keep making dynamite comebacks like "yea, you got pwned!" and "Every pride fighter that lost was shot and that fight doesn't count..... and any pride fighter who won just proves that Pride is better".

[AJAX]

Yea.... are you going to be alright? Do you jack off to the pride emblem? I think that the valid points are pretty simple. Most of the "pride fighters" that have fought in the UFC have lost. Really don't need to make excuses for every fight, and every fighter. It makes you look pathetic.

yep, he reminds me of a lawer who can put a spin on anything he wants and get the answer he wants to hear.

[Polymath]

It makes you look pathetic.

Speaking of looking pathetic, why don't you tell everyone how you are a better athlete than James Toney again :lol:

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Well the reality is 3 guys that were NOT the best in there divisions in PRIDE are all now UFC champions with fantastic resumes. The CC and Shogun loss`s were aberations but these things happen. Thats the nature of the fight game and MMA. Guys were ready to write off Liddell after he lost to Jardine.All of a sudden his again a world beater now that his beaten up a shot Wanderlai. Too many UFC fanboys are just that and cant seem to see further than the last fight they`ve watched.

Wether fan boys like to admit it or not, PRIDE WAS deeper than the UFC. They did boast more talent and had the better fights as well as a better presentation. To argue the semantics now over which org is better is completely immaterial.
As I stated a million times.. I am not saying that the UFC was better... I am say that Pride certainly wasn't better either. Maybe you liked the way that they presented it better, and that is fine. Both orgs had great fighters, and each were deeper in different weight divisions at different times. I always felt like the UFC was deeper in the lower weight divisions, and pretty even at 205, and that Pride was deeper at heavyweight for the most part.

[AJAX]

Well the reality is 3 guys that were NOT the best in there divisions in PRIDE are all now UFC champions with fantastic resumes. The CC and Shogun loss`s were aberations but these things happen. Thats the nature of the fight game and MMA. Guys were ready to write off Liddell after he lost to Jardine.All of a sudden his again a world beater now that his beaten up a shot Wanderlai. Too many UFC fanboys are just that and cant seem to see further than the last fight they`ve watched.

Wether fan boys like to admit it or not, PRIDE WAS deeper than the UFC. They did boast more talent and had the better fights as well as a better presentation. To argue the semantics now over which org is better is completely immaterial.

your right Pride was much deeper and better for the first half of the decade, that's why it was almost shocking when some of the pride fighters had lost to the inferior UFC fighters, but they get free passes for their loses because when pride shut the doors some fighters became "shot' and past their prime.

[Dostoevsky]

Owned in what way?

Now, I will let you two keep making dynamite comebacks like "yea, you got pwned!" and "Every pride fighter that lost was shot and that fight doesn't count..... and any pride fighter who won just proves that Pride is better".
:rofl:rofl:rofl

Its pretty ridiculous isn't it? When a Pride fighter loses, "oh, he's past his prime, took the fight lightly, not used to the cage" :nut

When a Pride fighter wins its: "OHMY GOD PRIDE ROCKS!! UFC SUCKS!!! FUCK UFC FUCK DANA WHITE! PRIDE NEVER DIE!!!!""

[Polymath]

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Its pretty ridiculous isn't it? When a Pride fighter loses, "oh, he's past his prime, took the fight lightly, not used to the cage" :nut

When a Pride fighter wins its: "OHMY GOD PRIDE ROCKS!! UFC SUCKS!!! FUCK UFC FUCK DANA WHITE! PRIDE NEVER DIE!!!!""

:huh

Isn't that TUF n00b-speak?

That's what you are isn't it? Not flaming you, but you are right?

[Dostoevsky]

Never seen a single snippet of TUF in my life except the Karo-Nate Diaz thing.
And even If I had seen the show I would freely admit it because that show has produced some good fighters. Hey, if you don't believe me, ask Mauricio Rua. :deal

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I personally watch the show every season. I have also watched every UFC since UFC 2. (immediately watched UFC 1 after having seen UFC 2)... and have watched every pride event as well. I don't see what the problem with the TUF show is. Entertaining, brings money into the sport for the fighters, and brings a lot of fans. You may act like you liked the sport better when there weren't so many fans... yet if that was the case we wouldn't see all of the big fighters going into the UFC for the cash, and ending up with all of these big fights.

[NSX-R]

Rampage and Nogueira are considered Pride fighters because they made their names (and thus established their careers) in Pride. One of the major reasons the UFC lured Rampage was because he destroyed then LHW champ Liddell; many people wanted a rematch to settle the score.

Anderson Silva is a grey area because he did not make his name in Pride.

But the fact is that 2 out of 5 UFC titles are held by ex-Pride superstars, with a third title in dispute. Pride didn't even have a welterweight division, and none of their top lightweights transferred over to the UFC. Minus Cro Cop and Shogun, both of which have time to bounce back, ex-Pride fighters are have performed quite well thus far.

[jimmie]

I personally watch the show every season. I have also watched every UFC since UFC 2. (immediately watched UFC 1 after having seen UFC 2)... and have watched every pride event as well. I don't see what the problem with the TUF show is. Entertaining, brings money into the sport for the fighters, and brings a lot of fans. You may act like you liked the sport better when there weren't so many fans... yet if that was the case we wouldn't see all of the big fighters going into the UFC for the cash, and ending up with all of these big fights.

TUFs great to me its brought in alot ALOT of quality fighters like Nate Diaz,Chris Leben,Mike Swick,Forrest Griffin,Josh Koscheck,Diego Sanchez,Josh Burkman,Rashad Evans,Joe Stevenson,Marcus Davis etc.