Is Frazier's Destruction of Foster...

[Russell]

Comparable in any way to Tyson's job on Spinks?

Foster seemed near dead after Frazier blew him out in two.

But no one seems to give Joe his due, while Tyson is still held on a pedestal for what he did against Spinks.

Eh?

[zippy]

Great point. Never understood why Tyson was given much credit for beating Spinks. Highly overrated win. I dont think Frazier should necessarily get THAT much credit for this one. Foster never could beat a decent heavy.

[brownpimp88]

Well spinks was better at heavyweight, it was still an awesome display by joe.

[Russell]

Great point. Never understood why Tyson was given much credit for beating Spinks. Highly overrated win. I dont think Frazier should necessarily get THAT much credit for this one. Foster never could beat a decent heavy.

Yeah, but I never saw any heavy flat out wipe their ass with Foster.

Foster rocked Ali and cut his face to shreds. Outjabbed Ali too.

Foster just sparked him.

Foster's an arrogant guy and he flat out admits he was out cold and didn't know where he was for a long time against Joe.

[zippy]

Yeah, but I never saw any heavy flat out wipe their ass with Foster.

Foster rocked Ali and cut his face to shreds. Outjabbed Ali too.

Foster just sparked him.

Foster's an arrogant guy and he flat out admits he was out cold and didn't know where he was for a long time against Joe.


Well he was never treated like a pit bull treats a rag doll, like Frazier did him in. But he still lost to every big name heavy he ever fought.

[JohnThomas1]

The difference in public acclaim and magnitude is that Foster hadn't beaten the Linear titleist and didn't hold the Heavyweight crown (nor ever) before fighting Frazier. Spinks had also never lost a fight.

Having said that i do see this as an extraordinary performance by Frazier just short of Tyson's effort. From memory Foster caught Joe with a wicked shot or two early.

[Russell]

The difference in public acclaim and magnitude is that Foster hadn't beaten the Linear titleist and didn't hold the Heavyweight crown (nor ever) before fighting Frazier. Spinks had also never lost a fight.

Having said that i do see this as an extraordinary performance by Frazier just short of Tyson's effort. From memory Foster caught Joe with a wicked shot or two early.

Spinks should of lost a fight against Holmes, and his performances as well as Foster's are very spotty against HW's.

[JohnThomas1]

Spinks should of lost a fight against Holmes, and his performances as well as Foster's are very spotty against HW's.

Spinks beat the reigning linear GREAT champion that was Holmes. Foster beat nobody whatsoever at heavyweight either before or after. Spinks record at heavy flogs Fosters. Huge Foster fan here but it's just fact, Spinks is the far more proven Heavy.

[RoccoMarciano]

Spinks should of lost a fight against Holmes, and his performances as well as Foster's are very spotty against HW's.

Spinks only lost once as a HW. Of course he didn't fight very long at the weight either.

I suppose one could argue he lost the second Holmes fight. But the fact he was even competative against a slightly past prime Holmes at all speaks volumes regarding how good a fighter he was.

[Russell]

Spinks was amazing, I just don't feel he's got a deep, awe inspiring record as a heavy.

[JohnThomas1]

Spinks was amazing, I just don't feel he's got a deep, awe inspiring record as a heavy.

It's not deep or awe inspiring there but it's infinitely better than Fosters which is dismal comparatively (tho a bit unlucky) hence Tyson's effort being held much higher.

It's just the way Fosters record at Heavy panned out. Fosters style wasn't adapted like Spinks and didn't fare well up there against whom he fought.

[Russell]

Yeah, not to mention Foster being outweighed by literally forty pounds against Ali.

[RoccoMarciano]

Spinks was amazing, I just don't feel he's got a deep, awe inspiring record as a heavy.

I agree with that in a way. In fact, the only reason he is even being discussed today at HW is because Holmes had slipped quite a lot before their first fight. It is my view Holmes won the second.

As far as Spinks is concerned as a LHW, as you know, there aren't many that could be considered better.

[Longhhorn71]

It's not deep or awe inspiring there but it's infinitely better than Fosters which is dismal comparatively (tho a bit unlucky) hence Tyson's effort being held much higher.

It's just the way Fosters record at Heavy panned out. Fosters style wasn't adapted like Spinks and didn't fare well up there against whom he fought.

I followed the Foster - Frazier pre-fght as it evolved over the months.
For Joe it was just another job to show he was the real Hvyweight champ
before he takes on Ali later.

For Foster, it was like being in one of those beer joints north of Ft. Worth, and you have just thrown your best shot against the 300 pound bouncer and nothing happened, and you ask yourself: "Now what I am going to do?"

[Sonny's jab]

Michael Spinks was actually a decent heavyweight. Or at least a legit one.
He was actually quite BIG when he fought Cooney and Tyson. People ignore that, but it's true.
Look at him against Tyson, he's well-muscled 212 pounds, maybe a little bit soft, but he's broad and thick, he's a decent-sized heavyweight.

Bob Foster didn't look any more than 175 against Frazier, but he's announced as 185 or 188 or something, maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. Foster looks to me like a guy who struggled to put on weight.

Frazier's performance against Foster was great though. But then Tyson's win over Spinks was a better win, Spinks being a genuine rival at heavyweight.

[fists of fury]

Foster rocked Ali and cut his face to shreds.


Not quite. ;)

[JohnThomas1]

Michael Spinks was actually a decent heavyweight. Or at least a legit one.
He was actually quite BIG when he fought Cooney and Tyson. People ignore that, but it's true.
Look at him against Tyson, he's well-muscled 212 pounds, maybe a little bit soft, but he's broad and thick, he's a decent-sized heavyweight.

Bob Foster didn't look any more than 175 against Frazier, but he's announced as 185 or 188 or something, maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. Foster looks to me like a guy who struggled to put on weight.

Frazier's performance against Foster was great though. But then Tyson's win over Spinks was a better win, Spinks being a genuine rival at heavyweight.

Exactly. Foster looked lean and vulnerable and his style (and assets) didn't particularly suit the 175'er moving on up to heavyweight. Spinks became very very elusive up there and that was never going to be Bob. Charles, Conn, Tunney and Moore all better suited there IMO. Conn a beautiful technical boxer, Charles with a multitude of skills and assets, Tunney and Moore quite durable and very very good boxers. Bob also had some serious misfortune fighting Ali and Frazier, two terrible propositions for 175 pounders.

[ChrisPontius]

I followed the Foster - Frazier pre-fght as it evolved over the months.
For Joe it was just another job to show he was the real Hvyweight champ
before he takes on Ali later.

For Foster, it was like being in one of those beer joints north of Ft. Worth, and you have just thrown your best shot against the 300 pound bouncer and nothing happened, and you ask yourself: "Now what I am going to do?"

Before the fight, did you expect it to at least be a bit more competitive?

[JohnThomas1]

I'd like to see the Foster - Frazier odds actually, dinner i'd say might even have em.

[Mendoza]

Great point. Never understood why Tyson was given much credit for beating Spinks. Highly overrated win. I dont think Frazier should necessarily get THAT much credit for this one. Foster never could beat a decent heavy.

Well, Spinks was an undefeated lineal heavyweight champion. Foster never won a big fight at heavy.

[AREA 53]

What always sticks in my mind about Frazier - Foster was surprising not the Blowout Hook that nearly took Bob's Head off...No it was the, if ever a punch can be called it, "exquisite" Left hook Joe Landed to score the First Knockdown, as i recall it anly seemed to travel abour 9 inches, and in fact looked more like a Jab with a bit of Curve on it ! i think a lot of fans forget the class of the composition of the first Knockdown. ?

[Silver]

Well, Spinks was an undefeated lineal heavyweight champion. Foster never won a big fight at heavy.thats pretty much it. alot of people thought spinks would beat tyson.

[Longhhorn71]

Before the fight, did you expect it to at least be a bit more competitive?
We were in college and Ali was touring around speaking out against Viet Nam
and calling himself the People's Champ and getting Frazier really riled up.

The Ali-Quarry fight was 3 weeks before, and now the way was clear for
Ali-Frazier....but Foster had said give me a shot Joe, so the traditional
Lt. Heavy Champ vs Heavyweight Champ showdown had been set.

I think most people thought Foster might last 5 rounds....maybe score a flash knockdown like had happened to Frazier before.

But to me these 2 fights (Foster & Ali FOC) were Frazier at his most dynamic.

Foster really had only 2 chances...slim & none.

[SteveO]

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[Marciano Frazier]

Comparable in any way to Tyson's job on Spinks?

Foster seemed near dead after Frazier blew him out in two.

But no one seems to give Joe his due, while Tyson is still held on a pedestal for what he did against Spinks.

Eh? Well, while the Foster fight was a highly impressive performance by Joe and he displayed brilliant power, speed, offensive skill and killer instinct in polishing Bob off, the fact is that Foster never showed himself to be an elite-level heavyweight, while Spinks was a legitimate world heavyweight champion with two wins over (even an aging) Holmes and one over (even an old, rusty) Cooney, which amounts to far, far more than Foster ever did at heavyweight. "They were both great light heavyweight champions; therefore beating either of them at heavyweight is equally impressive" just isn't solid logic.

[RockyJim]

Great double hook by Joe!!!

[tommy the hat]

In respect to the end result, yes it was similiar. But one way it was different is that Foster went into that ring believing he could win and was unintimidated by Frazier. He even landed a few good shots in the two rounds it lasted. Spinks went into that Tyson fight scared and didn't seem to come into that ring thinking he could win.

[fists of fury]

Let's not forget that Foster was genuinely a blown-up light-heavyweight, whereas Spinks had systematically built up his body to a sizeable 210 or so. (I think he was 212 against Tyson.) In fact, Spinks was heavier than Frazier was against Foster and by that time was a genuine heavyweight.

It was a good win by Frazier, but for me not on the same level as Tyson's win over Spinks.

[mcvey]

Yeah, but I never saw any heavy flat out wipe their ass with Foster.

Foster rocked Ali and cut his face to shreds. Outjabbed Ali too.

Foster just sparked him.

Foster's an arrogant guy and he flat out admits he was out cold and didn't know where he was for a long time against Joe.
Ernie Terrell kod Foster ,Zora Folley comfortably decisioned him Foster at heavy was nothing.At LH atg.

[mcvey]

Yeah, but I never saw any heavy flat out wipe their ass with Foster.

Foster rocked Ali and cut his face to shreds. Outjabbed Ali too.

Foster just sparked him.

Foster's an arrogant guy and he flat out admits he was out cold and didn't know where he was for a long time against Joe.
Foster rocked Ali? Cut his face to shreds? Outjabbed him? Ali had sutures in a cut on one eye he floored Foster SEVEN TIMES FOR CHRIST SAKE ,FOSTER WAS NOT IN IT.

[Bokaj]

Foster rocked Ali? Cut his face to shreds? Outjabbed him? Ali had sutures in a cut on one eye he floored Foster SEVEN TIMES FOR CHRIST SAKE ,FOSTER WAS NOT IN IT.

Yeah, I feel a bit much is made out of a fight that Sports Illustrated labelled a "mis-match" afterwards.

[Russell]

Foster rocked Ali? Cut his face to shreds? Outjabbed him? Ali had sutures in a cut on one eye he floored Foster SEVEN TIMES FOR CHRIST SAKE ,FOSTER WAS NOT IN IT.

Foster did cut Ali. He outjabbed him the entire fight.

It's a massive accomplishment alone to cut Ali. The man was almost impossible to connect on or to cut, considering Foster was landing regularly with the jab to the point where he cut Ali up.

The fact that Foster got up seven times doesn't make it seem overly impressive for Ali either. :lol:

Just giving Foster a smidgen of credit.

[mcvey]

Foster did cut Ali. He outjabbed him the entire fight.

It's a massive accomplishment alone to cut Ali. The man was almost impossible to connect on or to cut, considering Foster was landing regularly with the jab to the point where he cut Ali up.

The fact that Foster got up seven times doesn't make it seem overly impressive for Ali either. :lol:

Just giving Foster a smidgen of credit.
Ali sustaining a cut is NOT having his face torn to shreds,Ali was cut against Bugner too, in another onesided fight.You are doing more than giving Foster credit you are over egging the pudding to an unacceptable degree.Ali TOYED with Foster,he could have gotten him out of there earlier if he had gone to work.

[mcvey]

Ali sustaining a cut is NOT having his face torn to shreds,Ali was cut against Bugner too, in another onesided fight.You are doing more than giving Foster credit you are over egging the pudding to an unacceptable degree.Ali TOYED with Foster,he could have gotten him out of there earlier if he had gone to work.
Johansson knocked Patterson down seven times ,Dempsey knocked Willard down multiple times.Think they were close fights?

[clark]

I'd say Foster would have beaten Spinks. By the way, Spinks lost to Tyson before he even got in the ring.

[DamonD]

Let's not forget that Foster was genuinely a blown-up light-heavyweight, whereas Spinks had systematically built up his body to a sizeable 210 or so. (I think he was 212 against Tyson.) In fact, Spinks was heavier than Frazier was against Foster and by that time was a genuine heavyweight.
Very true, in much the same way Holyfield so often was called a blown-up cruiserweight, when really both guys had built themselves into genuine heavyweights. They were arguably slightly underdone at cruiser. At heavy, they merely lacked the usual extra ten or twenty pounds of fat your average heavyweight carries around. Take your prime Tua and carve off the fat, and he's a 5'10 guy around 210-215 as well...who's going to be brave enough to call him a blown-up cruiser?

Spinks's preperation was very meticulous and computer-regulated, quite ahead of its time.

[Muchmoore]

Great point. Never understood why Tyson was given much credit for beating Spinks.

Umm, Spinks was the unbeaten former Lightheavyweight and Heavyweight Champion, maybe?

[Russell]

Very true, in much the same way Holyfield so often was called a blown-up cruiserweight, when really both guys had built themselves into genuine heavyweights. They were arguably slightly underdone at cruiser. At heavy, they merely lacked the usual extra ten or twenty pounds of fat your average heavyweight carries around. Take your prime Tua and carve off the fat, and he's a 5'10 guy around 210-215 as well...who's going to be brave enough to call him a blown-up cruiser?

Spinks's preperation was very meticulous and computer-regulated, quite ahead of its time.

Didn't Tua fight AT 200 at the beginning of his career?

200 is the cruiser limit now too...

[mcvey]

Didn't Tua fight AT 200 at the beginning of his career?

200 is the cruiser limit now too...
He was 201 for his pro debut ,but soon discovered the fridge.

[MRBILL]

Comparable in any way to Tyson's job on Spinks?

Foster seemed near dead after Frazier blew him out in two.

But no one seems to give Joe his due, while Tyson is still held on a pedestal for what he did against Spinks.

Eh?


Hardcore fans and historian type folks knew then that Tyson was gonna beat Spinks by a KO.... Its just that nobody expected a blow-out..... I personally predicted that Tyson would KO Spinks within 3 rds... The icing really wasn't a shocker to me.... I "Pirated" the fight anyway, so I never felt that I got ripped off.... At any rate, that fight / event sucked the bone....:smoke

I was only 3 yrs old when Frazier iced Foster in '70. I now own a copy or two of the fight for my collection.. Again, no surprise there... Frazier did what he was suppose to do to a guy 20 pounds lighter than him... The hooks that Frazier nailed Foster with were wicked.... Nuff said... :thumbsup

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[Jear]

thats pretty much it. alot of people thought spinks would beat tyson.


Exactly he was considered by many to be the legitimate heavyweight champ at the time

[Arka]

Very true, in much the same way Holyfield so often was called a blown-up cruiserweight, when really both guys had built themselves into genuine heavyweights. They were arguably slightly underdone at cruiser. At heavy, they merely lacked the usual extra ten or twenty pounds of fat your average heavyweight carries around. Take your prime Tua and carve off the fat, and he's a 5'10 guy around 210-215 as well...who's going to be brave enough to call him a blown-up cruiser?

Spinks's preperation was very meticulous and computer-regulated, quite ahead of its time.
Holyfield was a genuine blow up cruiserweight.However,he became a genuine heavyweight later on.You can see the difference in the heaviness of bone structure between the Holyfield,say in the first Bowe fight,and in the Tyson fights....

Umm, Spinks was the unbeaten former Lightheavyweight and Heavyweight Champion, maybe?
He also-correct me if I'm wrong-had never been down in his career before.

[MRBILL]

Holyfield was a genuine blow up cruiserweight.However,he became a genuine heavyweight later on.You can see the difference in the heaviness of bone structure between the Holyfield,say in the first Bowe fight,and in the Tyson fights....


He also-correct me if I'm wrong-had never been down in his career before.

Spinks suffered a bullshit knockdown call by Qawi in '83.

[sthomas]

Spinks was the lineal champ, but the 2 fights against (as best I remember it's been a long time) the old Holmes were not that impressive other than the spectacle of a LHW winning the title. He seemed to be very aware, almost afraid, of Holmes power, to the point of compromising his offense at the expense of trying to dominate the action. That's not a good recipe for anyone going up against a guy as relentless as Tyson. That Cooney fight was pretty impressive though Cooney was a lost soul @ the time. As one other poster said, Spinks had lost before the fight began.

[MRBILL]

Spinks was the lineal champ, but the 2 fights against (as best I remember it's been a long time) the old Holmes were not that impressive other than the spectacle of a LHW winning the title. He seemed to be very aware, almost afraid, of Holmes power, to the point of compromising his offense at the expense of trying to dominate the action. That's not a good recipe for anyone going up against a guy as relentless as Tyson. That Cooney fight was pretty impressive though Cooney was a lost soul @ the time. As one other poster said, Spinks had lost before the fight began.


Spinks got a "Gift" over Larry Holmes in the '86 rematch. Then Spinks KO'd a European stiff named Stefan Tangsted later in '86 on HBO. After that, was the classic stoppage of Gerald Cooney in 1987 on PPV... And, last but not least, Spinks got iced by Tyson in '88...:hi:

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[Marciano Frazier]

Comparable in any way to Tyson's job on Spinks?

Foster seemed near dead after Frazier blew him out in two.

But no one seems to give Joe his due, while Tyson is still held on a pedestal for what he did against Spinks.

Eh?
While you know I'm a big Frazier supporter, "both great light heavyweights" does not equal "both equally valuable wins for a heavyweight." Spinks was a proven high-level heavyweight (in fact, he was linear champion). Foster was not. Of these two, Tyson's win was much more significant.

[ThinBlack]

Comparable in any way to Tyson's job on Spinks?

Foster seemed near dead after Frazier blew him out in two.

But no one seems to give Joe his due, while Tyson is still held on a pedestal for what he did against Spinks.

Eh?

Not really.Tyson was facing an undefeated fighter many had thought would test him.Spinks was in over his head.Foster had no business in the ring with Frazier whatsoever.

[he grant]

Yeah, but I never saw any heavy flat out wipe their ass with Foster.

Foster rocked Ali and cut his face to shreds. Outjabbed Ali too.

Foster just sparked him.

Foster's an arrogant guy and he flat out admits he was out cold and didn't know where he was for a long time against Joe.

Foster rocked Ali and cut his face to shreds ? Can we possible try to stretch the truth a little less ... seriously , wow ..

[red cobra]

A very impressive win for Joe..he should have gotten more credit for it..afterall, Foster was at his peak, whether he did well vs heavies or not.

[red cobra]

At least Foster was trying to win, Spinks was a big nothing against Tyson.

[Grinder]

Slinks was champ. Foster wasn't.

There was a good article about that fight recently. I think it was in relation to Joes ability to pressure a fighter.

Foster and Frazier were good buddies. I think Frazier could move, close and take Foster's punch, Foster couldn't take Smokin Joe's.

RIP Joe

[AnthonyJ74]

Spinks was amazing, I just don't feel he's got a deep, awe inspiring record as a heavy.

Agreed. Spinks didn't fight the solid heavyweight contenders at the time. He avoided Greg Page, Pinklon Thomas, Tim Witherspoon, etc. He beat Holmes, which was great, but then he fought guys like Tangstad and a rusty, washed out Gerry Cooney. It's hard to judge Spinks at heavyweight based simply on his two performances against HOlmes, who was clearly on the down side of his career.

[RockyJim]

Foster was a great LH champ...but he could not get over the hump with the heavyweights..give Joe his due...Spinks was terrified that night...

[frankenfrank]

Comparable in any way to Tyson's job on Spinks?

Foster seemed near dead after Frazier blew him out in two.

But no one seems to give Joe his due, while Tyson is still held on a pedestal for what he did against Spinks.

Eh?
Very bad and ignorant comparison .
Bob Foster was not anywhere near Michael Spinks .
Spinks was only KOd by Tyson and even then Tyson was blatantly helped by d use of his elbows . Foster however was fair & square destroyed by Doug Jones , hardly a Tyson .
And u can also compare Spinks' 2 close fights with Larry Holmes as opposed 2 Foster's destruction by Ali . Even in their lightheavyweight reigns they do not come close 2 being close in quality . Spinks fought Qawi , Mustaffa Muhammad and a few more . Foster fought ? no1 worth a mention .
Foster was also KDd and defeated by Mauro Mina , do u know who that was ? later he was also KOd by Terrell and lost 2 Zora Folley .

Michael Spinks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foster .
Leon Spinks > Bob Foster

[Stevie G]

At least Foster was trying to win, Spinks was a big nothing against Tyson.
I go along with that. Spinks froze.

[Stevie G]

Very bad and ignorant comparison .
Bob Foster was not anywhere near Michael Spinks .
Spinks was only KOd by Tyson and even then Tyson was blatantly helped by d use of his elbows . Foster however was fair & square destroyed by Doug Jones , hardly a Tyson .
And u can also compare Spinks' 2 close fights with Larry Holmes as opposed 2 Foster's destruction by Ali . Even in their lightheavyweight reigns they do not come close 2 being close in quality . Spinks fought Qawi , Mustaffa Muhammad and a few more . Foster fought ? no1 worth a mention .
Foster was also KDd and defeated by Mauro Mina , do u know who that was ? later he was also KOd by Terrell and lost 2 Zora Folley .

Michael Spinks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foster .
Leon Spinks > Bob Foster
Foster and Spinks were two of the best ever Light-Heavyweights. I definitely agree with you about Michael's resume being a lot better than Bob's though.

[frankenfrank]

Foster and Spinks were two of the best ever Light-Heavyweights. I definitely agree with you about Michael's resume being a lot better than Bob's though.
Spinks might have been 1 of d best , Foster's resume was thoroughly surpassed by so many that when some1 claims that he was 1 of d best , i know that that 1 does not know how 2 count

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[Duodenum]

Does Bob Foster beat Steffen Tangstad? Keep in mind that Bob was decked in the first round by 11-12-3 Eddie Vick in their August 1968 rematch. The 190 pound Vick never produced a stoppage win. Tangstad drew with Buster Douglas in Chicago, and was awarded decisions over Evangelista, Bugner, Lakusta and Lucien Rodriguez, all more accomplished regional HW titlists. Lakusta was a future Canadian champion, Evangelista was on an eight fight winning streak, and would regain the European Championship within a year, Tangstad dethroned Rodriguez for the EBU Title, Bugner was coming off a win over Anders Eklund, and would defeat Tillis, Bey and Page in his next three bouts, and we all know what Douglas would ultimately achieve in Tokyo. Did Bob ever prove he could defeat a heavyweight of Tangstad's caliber?

With respect to Tyson-Spinks, we had a case of one of the fastest starting heavyweights in history at his peak blowing out one of the slowest starting professional ATGs to ever lace on the gloves. Yes, Tyson could predictably have steamrolled him even if Spinks had warmed up properly, but I do wonder how their match might have unfolded if Spinks had somehow gotten out of the opening rounds as he unexpectedly managed to do with Cooney.

If Bob was facing the razor sharp and fast starting Frazier of the April 1969 Zyglewicz bout in Houston, instead of the rusty Smoke of November 1970 (coming off of nine months of inactivity in part due to a fractured right ankle sustained during a Las Vegas dance number in April 1970), then what we saw in round two of Frazier-Foster may well have been how the opening round would have unfolded.

[Danny]

Great point. Never understood why Tyson was given much credit for beating Spinks. Highly overrated win. I dont think Frazier should necessarily get THAT much credit for this one. Foster never could beat a decent heavy.


Plenty of people fancied Tyson to beat Spinks, but nobody thought he would beat in the manner he did, being so quickly & clinically. That's the reason why he is given so much credit for the Win, & rightly so.

If Tyson would have beaten, by lets say, 10th round TKO, people would have said, "Oh but Spinks lasted 10 rounds". Tyson blew Spinks away quickly. No one predicted such an early ending.

[Boxed Ears]

Michael Spinks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foster .
Leon Spinks > Bob Foster

Franklin, you are the magic they grind into powder to use as pixie dust.

[MRBILL]

Both Foster and Spinks were outta of their league in 1970 and 1988 when they ate leather from Joe and Mike....... 'Nuff said.....

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