This is why MMA SUCKS!!

[thatboyelite]

First off, let me say, I do not enjoy MMA. I will only watch Kimbo Slice and Brock Lesnar.

That being said, Brock Lesnar made his UFC debut this past weekend.

Brock comes out and pounds the sh*t out of his opponent.

They tell him stop and take a time out because the guy is gettin his ass drilled so bad, that he turns away in fear which causes Brock to hit him behind the head.

They even take a point away from Brock.

FU*KIN PLEASE!!!

The match continues and Brock is beating his opponent to a bloody mess.

In a split secong, Brock gets his leg caught in a submission move and is forced to tap.

FU*KIN SORRY!!!

His opponent gets up dazed, bloody, and beat up, only to have his hand raised in victory becasue he decided to twist Brocks foot.

This fight is a perfect example of why I hate MMA.

MMA will nevert produce numbers like Boxing.

There is only one sweet science!

[Sweet Pea]

So you hate MMA because the WWE star you were hoping to expose it got beaten in the first round by a wahed up fighter and was forced to tap out and basically cry uncle. We get it.:good

[theCandle]

. . . . and you didn't enjoy that?

Okay i need to see this match, sounds interesting to me.

You make it sound funny but i want to see the mess for myself.

[Punisher33]

I myself watched a similiar UFC fight years ago, it was Tank against the same guy I believe Mir, Tank looked to be beating him up and out of nowhere he gets tapped out. I think Tank said it best after that fight, "If he wants a real fight meet me at the bar and thats finish it like men", in a street fight Mir would of been laying in a pool of his own blood, that match really turned me away from UFC, that and the horrible technique at which most MMA guys throw there punches.

[josak]

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[josak]

Honestly I don't like MMA either, but people have different tastes.

[SteveO]

Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

[chimba]

I like MMA when its exciting..and Brock love him or not is exciting to watch. He goes for the kill and trusts his skills...can't say the same for 80% of MMA fighters

The break in the action hurt him...the UFC needs to be consistent on behind the head calls. Mir was freaking turtling up and he got hit once..dont stop the action..warn the fuckin Guy first

[cardstars]

I like MMA when its exciting..and Brock love him or not is exciting to watch. He goes for the kill and trusts his skills...can't say the same for 80% of MMA fighters

The break in the action hurt him...the UFC needs to be consistent on behind the head calls. Mir was freaking turtling up and he got hit once..dont stop the action..warn the fuckin Guy first

I also thought he should have been warned first, but im no ref. I enjoy watching ufc and other various forms of fighting from time to time, but nothing does it for me like boxing :good

[Cadillac Man]

I also think MMA sucks...Two grown,sweaty,muscular men rolling around on the ground is not cool to watch....Just ask yourself this where is the classics? Corrales vs Castillo, Gatti vs Ward, Barrera vs Morales, Vazquez vs Marquez and those are only the resent fights, Ive never heard or seen an MMA fight being anything close to those fights

[Dostoevsky]

If he wants a real fight meet me at the bar and thats finish it like men", in a street fight Mir would of been laying in a pool of his own blood.
No, he wouldn't have. It would have went the exact same way, with no referess to stop the fight Tank would end up with a broken leg or broken ankle. Hard to fight with broken anything. He would then have been choked unconcious.

[main man]

I also thought he should have been warned first, but im no ref. I enjoy watching ufc and other various forms of fighting from time to time, but nothing does it for me like boxing :good

exactly:good

[Sweet Pea]

I also think MMA sucks...Two grown,sweaty,muscular men rolling around on the ground is not cool to watch....Just ask yourself this where is the classics? Corrales vs Castillo, Gatti vs Ward, Barrera vs Morales, Vazquez vs Marquez and those are only the resent fights, Ive never heard or seen an MMA fight being anything close to those fightsKinda hard when you don't watch the sport.:roll:

Can we stop all the goddamn ignorance already? The ref made a bullshit move stopping the fight temporarily because of that back of the head shot, but saying MMA sucks because Lesnar was submitted is just stupid, that is the difference between boxing and MMA, in MMA there are more ways to win, you have to be more well-rounded in a variety of disciplines. Lesnar obviously wasn't anything more than a big, strong wrestler with aggressiveness if he's getting subbed by a washed up Mir.

[theCandle]

Alright, watched the clip, thanks by the way, and while yes Brock was pounding away and mainly relying on his ground game he got out maneuvered by the brazilian juijutsu and wasn't careful enough about his extremities.

Can't just jump into a guys legs and or leave a body part unanswered for.

If you watch some of Fedor Emilianenko's fights before he gets onto his guys chest he'll swat the legs out of the way and for good reason.

Brock was indeed giving a lot of fists to Mir but a lot of them were hammer fists with not a lot of momentum though from a man his weight and strength that can be misleading too.
I see Mir there weathering that storm and all the while he kept to a game plan and got hold of the leg and secured it well enough to put serious crank down on that.
Looks though like Brock will have at least earned some respect from people as a real contender for mma.
Brock vs. Kimbo eh?

[Punisher33]

No, he wouldn't have. It would have went the exact same way, with no referess to stop the fight Tank would end up with a broken leg or broken ankle. Hard to fight with broken anything. He would then have been choked unconcious. You have to be joking, I never seen anyone get tapped out in a fist fight before by submission. I have been in plenty of scraps and they usually start with fists and ends with fists or kicks if the guys on the ground, Tank would easily beat Mir in a fist fight.:yep

[chimba]

I also thought he should have been warned first, but im no ref. I enjoy watching ufc and other various forms of fighting from time to time, but nothing does it for me like boxing :good

I like MMA just because there are more marketed fights and the UFC does offer a deeper card. The style matchups are always interesting. I also did Judo for a long time long before jujitsu became Brazilian:lol: Still dont make sense

I like Boxing when theres a big fight between two titans..not crap like Floyd vs. Hatton or DLH...Im talking about both top 5 in the world at where the outcome is uncertain. Nothing like it..Most I ever got excited was the Hearns/Hagler fight..#1 and #2. No such thing in MMA

But I love Hockey the most:lol:

[Sweet Pea]

You have to be joking, I never seen anyone get tapped out in a fist fight before by submission. I have been in plenty of scraps and they usually start with fists and ends with fists or kicks if the guys on the ground, Tank would easily beat Mir in a fist fight.:yepHow many MMA fighters have you seen in street fights? There's a difference between a fist fight(boxing match) and a full on street fight. A full on street fight is closer to an MMA fight.

[Dostoevsky]

You have to be joking, I never seen anyone get tapped out in a fist fight before by submission. I have been in plenty of scraps and they usually start with fists and ends with fists or kicks if the guys on the ground, Tank would easily beat Mir in a fist fight.:yep
How many Brazilian jiu jitsu blackbelts have you seen in a fight? :roll:
You have seen two drunk hillbilles outside a bar slogging it out. Not a ground technician who knows how to easily break an arm, a leg, choke you out within seconds.

[Punisher33]

How many MMA fighters have you seen in street fights? There's a difference between a fist fight(boxing match) and a full on street fight. A full on street fight is closer to an MMA fight. In a Street fight I only seen one guy submitted before, but it was by a head lock. Most street fights start with punches, but I have seen a few started by a takedown or slam, whatever you want to call it. MMA like boxing will help you in a street fight, but to say Mir wouldve beat Tank by some kind of leg submission is crazy IMO.

[Dostoevsky]

In a Street fight I only seen one guy submitted before, but it was by a head lock. Most street fights start with punches, but I have seen a few started by a takedown or slam, whatever you want to call it. MMA like boxing will help you in a street fight, but to say Mir wouldve beat Tank by some kind of leg submission is crazy IMO.

How? He would have broken Tanks leg and Tank would be fucked. Why would a leglock instantly become ineffective as soon as its moved outside an octagon?
It would just be as effective in a streetfight as it was in an MMA fight.

[Sweet Pea]

In a Street fight I only seen one guy submitted before, but it was by a head lock. Most street fights start with punches, but I have seen a few started by a takedown or slam, whatever you want to call it. MMA like boxing will help you in a street fight, but to say Mir wouldve beat Tank by some kind of leg submission is crazy IMO.Why is it any different than in a cage? If it's a one on one street fight, it's virtually the same thing. If it's two drunk rednecks or two school kids slugging it out, you're not likely to see a submission or a tactical ground battle, but I've personally seen technical street fights closely resembling MMA fights, from MMA fighters no less.

[chimba]

A street fight has nothing to do with MMA or Boxing...which are both "SPORTS COMPETITION" in a controlled environment. Fighters train for months to "condition" themselves for the event. This is not Martial ART, a street fight is.

If you pick the wrong street fight..I dont fuckin care if your Brock Lesnar or Fedor..a 15 year old could slice/dice your ass.. In a streetfight your chance is 50/50 at BEST...

[Sweet Pea]

A street fight has nothing to do with MMA or Boxing...which are both "SPORTS COMPETITION" in a controlled environment. Fighters train for months to "condition" themselves for the event. This is not Martial ART, a street fight is.

If you pick the wrong street fight..I dont fuckin care if your Brock Lesnar or Fedor..a 15 year old could slice/dice your ass.. In a streetfight your chance is 50/50 at BEST...We're talking a fight between two men, not some pussy who's too scared to fight one on one and has to resort to using a weapon.

[Punisher33]

How many Brazilian jiu jitsu blackbelts have you seen in a fight? :roll:
You have seen two drunk hillbilles outside a bar slogging it out. Not a ground technician who knows how to easily break an arm, a leg, choke you out within seconds. I seen both, guys that are skilled boxers and wrestlers get into some good fights, also like you said a couple novices outside a bar. A street fight is alot different than a MMA or boxing match, more variables and no refs to break up the action when things get boring or someone headbutts you or kicks you on the ground. I do see what your saying, but fists and takedowns are the usual in a fight, and usually end with one or the other.

[Dostoevsky]

A street fight has nothing to do with MMA or Boxing...which are both "SPORTS COMPETITION" in a controlled environment. Fighters train for months to "condition" themselves for the event. This is not Martial ART, a street fight is.

If you pick the wrong street fight..I dont fuckin care if your Brock Lesnar or Fedor..a 15 year old could slice/dice your ass.. In a streetfight your chance is 50/50 at BEST...

It would be 50/50 if the 15 year old had a weapon. If not, an MMA fighter(or boxer) will always beat an untrained opponent.

[Punisher33]

Why is it any different than in a cage? If it's a one on one street fight, it's virtually the same thing. If it's two drunk rednecks or two school kids slugging it out, you're not likely to see a submission or a tactical ground battle, but I've personally seen technical street fights closely resembling MMA fights, from MMA fighters no less. I will give you an example why it's different than cage, I was getting the best of this kid back in highschool and just when I went to take a step back and load up on a punch, I tripped over a curb and got knocked out cold, that wouldve of happend if it was cage or a flat mat type setting. In a street fight anything goes, you can kick on the ground and throw elbows, bite, headbutt, etc., in a MMA or Boxing match you would get disqualified for doing that.

[chimba]

We're talking a fight between two men, not some pussy who's too scared to fight one on one and has to resort to using a weapon.

What fuckin streets have you been watching fights..I love to see honor and dignity in streetfighting..:lol:

you sure its not one of contrived youtube fights?

In a bar, where fight breaks between TWO men...you will see bottles flying, chairs, fuckin any weapon goes...sometimes shots...

This is fighting for real bro..whatever advantage.. you can get..if youre looking for honor in the street..you'll freaking die seriously..thats why the best thing to do is avoid such shit

[cardstars]

It would be 50/50 if the 15 year old had a weapon. If not, an MMA fighter(or boxer) will always beat an untrained opponent.

and the truth is spoken :good
I've never seen an untrained fighter beat a trained fighter (boxer, mma, ANY sort of trained fighter). I have seen a 130lb lightweight boxer knock out a 280lb+ bouncer in a matter of seconds, and no not with a cheap shot. When you have trained vs untrained it is quite easy to predict the outcome

[chimba]

It would be 50/50 if the 15 year old had a weapon. If not, an MMA fighter(or boxer) will always beat an untrained opponent.

Remember when Rickson said he was more afraid of the Ghetto kids than a Big BAD fighter in MMA. Thats because in the real world..there is no SURE thing..no assumptions...there is no way of knowing people will stab you with a pen for Gods sake...This is Martial Art

[sugarngold]

First off, let me say, I do not enjoy MMA. I will only watch Kimbo Slice and Brock Lesnar.

That being said, Brock Lesnar made his UFC debut this past weekend.

Brock comes out and pounds the sh*t out of his opponent.

They tell him stop and take a time out because the guy is gettin his ass drilled so bad, that he turns away in fear which causes Brock to hit him behind the head.

They even take a point away from Brock.

FU*KIN PLEASE!!!

The match continues and Brock is beating his opponent to a bloody mess.

In a split secong, Brock gets his leg caught in a submission move and is forced to tap.

FU*KIN SORRY!!!

His opponent gets up dazed, bloody, and beat up, only to have his hand raised in victory becasue he decided to twist Brocks foot.

This fight is a perfect example of why I hate MMA.

MMA will nevert produce numbers like Boxing.

There is only one sweet science!

Seems to be a considerrable lack of understading submissions on the part of many readers here - not true on the MMA board however. So beating someone to a pulp is respectable - but having them tap out to a submission is not respectable? You are aware if there was no referee that Brock Lesnar's leg would have been broken at the knee and he would have been left crying and rolling on the ground with a leg bent 45 degrees in the wrong direction?

[El Puma]

The ignorance against MMA is getting annoying.......

[Punisher33]

Street fights are different than both MMA and Boxing, while knowing both gives you an advatage over your oppenent, it doesnt necessarily give you the victory. I seen a friend of mine who has been in a fight league for like 3 years get dropped with one punch at a basketball court I was playing at, it was a shock to everyone because this kid was built and new how to fight, while his oppenent was some skinny kid that looked like nothing, he just caught him right on the chin/sweet spot, crazy unexpected shit happens in street fights.

[chimba]

Street fights are different than both MMA and Boxing, while knowing both gives you an advatage over your oppenent, it doesnt necessarily give you the victory. I seen a friend of mine who has been in a fight league for like 3 years get dropped with one punch at a basketball court I was playing at, it was a shock to everyone because this kid was built and new how to fight, while his oppenent was some skinny kid that looked like nothing, he just caught him right on the chin/sweet spot, crazy unexpected shit happens in street fights.

I dont know why this is such a hard concept...Ive seen people who have trained for years and when faced with this 10 second chaos, they cannot execute a single technique. For fucks sake you get lucky enough to fuck with a guy carrying a blade and knows where your carotid artery ...trust me you wont make it home ..no you wont make it to the hospital.

I was in a Karaoke bar with some friends some 5 years ago..a fight broke up 15 meters away from our table..in 2 seconds there were at least 20 beer bottles flying from all direction ..luckily my thing is always sit near the exit..we crawled out of there

[Rock0052]

I enjoy exciting MMA as a supplement to boxing, but I still can't stand most of the fanboys that rip boxing despite knowing nothing of it.

Brock showed some good ground and pound and is very explosive for his size...that's a pretty bullshit call to take away side control and dock him a point for what was essentially one accidental punch by the ref, though. Way to make yourself the story instead of letting the fight speak for itself.

[Punisher33]

I dont know why this is such a hard concept...Ive seen people who have trained for years and when faced with this 10 second chaos, they cannot execute a single technique. For fucks sake you get lucky enough to fuck with a guy carrying a blade and knows where your carotid artery ...trust me you wont make it home ..no you wont make it to the hospital.

I was in a Karaoke bar with some friends some 5 years ago..a fight broke up 15 meters away from our table..in 2 seconds there were at least 20 beer bottles flying from all direction ..luckily my thing is always sit near the exit..we crawled out of there Exactly, now that I'm 22 I finally woke up a bit and stopped being so agressive all the time, it will just get you messed up or in jail. Street fights are good bit different than both sports, there's no refs to break up and anything pretty much goes, and a cage or a ring is alot different than a concrete sidewalk or a crowded bar with stools all around you to trip over. There's too many factors in a street fight for even the most skilled fighter to feel safe in winning, anything will and could happen in a street fight.

[Rock0052]

A street fight has nothing to do with MMA or Boxing...which are both "SPORTS COMPETITION" in a controlled environment. Fighters train for months to "condition" themselves for the event. This is not Martial ART, a street fight is.

If you pick the wrong street fight..I dont fuckin care if your Brock Lesnar or Fedor..a 15 year old could slice/dice your ass.. In a streetfight your chance is 50/50 at BEST...

:deal solid post. Honestly, I don't know why people seriously try to use a street fight as a barometer of anything as it relates to MMA and Boxing. There are "no biting, gouging, low blow" rules in both sports for a damn good reason- it throws years of training out the window when you get kicked in the nuts and your eye poked out. That's not even getting into weapons.

[Cadillac Man]

The ignorance against MMA is getting annoying....... No ignorance here plain and simple MMA is crap...Lesnar and Mir could fight 10 times and I'd bet they would split 5-5. If PBF fights ODLH all 10 times he wins why pure athleticsm MMA lacks this. There is no flow to MMA no drama no athleticsm . Ask yourself why all these washed up boxers Morrison,Mercer Bowe talks about doing MMA cuz they can't hack anymore the level of athleticsm Boxing takes. If Kimbo was such a bad ass why not then jump in the ring and box where he could make 10X more money why? Cuz any average fighter would KO him in under 1 rnd. Anyone could learn MMA it doesnt have the same athleticsm as boxing you can't learn to be a great boxer eithier u have the hand,foot speed or natural punchin power or u dont. For MMA, if u have just a little bit of athletic ability u can compete its that simple

[chimba]

Exactly, now that I'm 22 I finally woke up a bit and stopped being so agressive all the time, it will just get you messed up or in jail. Street fights are good bit different than both sports, there's no refs to break up and anything pretty much goes, and a cage or a ring is alot different than a concrete sidewalk or a crowded bar with stools all around you to trip over. There's too many factors in a street fight for even the most skilled fighter to feel safe in winning, anything will and could happen in a street fight.

Trust me Im 32..my head has been busted open 3 times and I consider myself lucky because thank God no one has ever put a faucet up my side... The best thing is to avoid any fights even if the Mofos calls your mom a whore...me I am so aware now of my surroundings..I never cross my arms..never sleeps on a train and always by the door. A commotion a few yards from you can get you killed if youre in condition white. This is real Martial Art not a competition.

Sometimes fighting isnt even the hardest part..its the aftermath..always have a good lawyer:lol: Always have witnesses or create one
if you cannot avoid engagement...
"I always yell out I dont want to fight, I dont want to fight...I dont want anyone to get hurt Im scared"..so when you happen to crack his skull...people remembered that you wanted no part of it and was forced to defend your life :good Know the law

[El Puma]

No ignorance here plain and simple MMA is crap...Lesnar and Mir could fight 10 times and I'd bet they would split 5-5. If PBF fights ODLH all 10 times he wins why pure athleticsm MMA lacks this. There is no flow to MMA no drama no athleticsm . Ask yourself why all these washed up boxers Morrison,Mercer Bowe talks about doing MMA cuz they can't hack anymore the level of athleticsm Boxing takes. If Kimbo was such a bad ass why not then jump in the ring and box where he could make 10X more money why? Cuz any average fighter would KO him in under 1 rnd. Anyone could learn MMA it doesnt have the same athleticsm as boxing you can't learn to be a great boxer eithier u have the hand,foot speed or natural punchin power or u dont. For MMA, if u have just a little bit of athletic ability u can compete its that simpleNo it's not and for that matter, have you ever trained in an art other than boxing? Lets start there eh?

As for the washed up fighters, THEY could not even compete with c level MMA fighters. Your narrow point of view is appaling as you should have a sensible level of understanding or experience with a subject to even discuss it as opposed to blind misunderstanding.

[cardstars]

Trust me Im 32..my head has been busted open 3 times and I consider myself lucky because thank God no one has ever put a faucet up my side... The best thing is to avoid any fights even if the Mofos calls your mom a whore...me I am so aware now of my surroundings..I never cross my arms..never sleeps on a train and always by the door. A commotion a few yards from you can get you killed if youre in condition white. This is real Martial Art not a competition.

Sometimes fighting isnt even the hardest part..its the aftermath..always have a good lawyer:lol: Always have witnesses or create one
if you cannot avoid engagement...
"I always yell out I dont want to fight, I dont want to fight...I dont want anyone to get hurt Im scared"..so when you happen to crack his skull...people remembered that you wanted no part of it and was forced to defend your life :good Know the law

Chimba says no to violence kids. Its the truth though; its just not worth it. I have lived in good areas my whole life so when I said trained beats untrained every time, thats with the fights ive been around where two guys are pissed at each other, they go at it and its over (most the time). We don't go to the ghettos looking for fair fights :lol:

[Punisher33]

Trust me Im 32..my head has been busted open 3 times and I consider myself lucky because thank God no one has ever put a faucet up my side... The best thing is to avoid any fights even if the Mofos calls your mom a whore...me I am so aware now of my surroundings..I never cross my arms..never sleeps on a train and always by the door. A commotion a few yards from you can get you killed if youre in condition white. This is real Martial Art not a competition.

Sometimes fighting isnt even the hardest part..its the aftermath..always have a good lawyer:lol: Always have witnesses or create one
if you cannot avoid engagement...
"I always yell out I dont want to fight, I dont want to fight...I dont want anyone to get hurt Im scared"..so when you happen to crack his skull...people remembered that you wanted no part of it and was forced to defend your life :good Know the law Damn thats exactly what my dad told me when I turned 18, almost to a tee of what you said. He explained fighting to me at a young age, on what to do and what not to do. He told me to always make sure you get the first punch in a fight if possible, it will be the most cleanest punch and its the one they never see coming, which is usually the most dangerous punch you will land the whole fight and other stupid shit like that. I had some crazy shit happen to me recently, but until then I was fight free for almost 2 years. I have learned nothing really good comes out of a fight, either you get fucked up or your oppenent wants to take you to court and possibly face legal trouble.

[chimba]

Chimba says no to violence kids. Its the truth though; its just not worth it. I have lived in good areas my whole life so when I said trained beats untrained every time, thats with the fights ive been around where two guys are pissed at each other, they go at it and its over (most the time). We don't go to the ghettos looking for fair fights :lol:

:lol: there are some environments where fights are just that fights..take or give a beating, not talk for a few weeks and drink together again..

Its the random street fights that presents the most danger because you cannot ASSUME.

When I was training..my Sensei tells me all the time to train and train so you wouldnt have to fight..its quite true..I trained in Kali too..so it made me think geez..some people knows alot of shit about fighting..

I fuckin dont know who from just looking at them..and I dont want to try.

[cardstars]

:lol: there are some environments where fights are just that fights..take or give a beating, not talk for a few weeks and drink together again..

Its the random street fights that presents the most danger because you cannot ASSUME.

When I was training..my Sensei tells me all the time to train and train so you wouldnt have to fight..its quite true..I trained in Kali too..so it made me think geez..some people knows alot of shit about fighting..

I fuckin dont know who from just looking at them..and I dont want to try.

Yep its scary when you think about how you can't just look at someone and know what they are capable of (99% of the population assumes bigger and more muscle = instant win). That skinny little 130lb gold glove champion that trains at Uppercut gym near me dropped a massive bouncer that looked like Brock Lesnar with a few quick combos....I bet he doesn't mouth off to small guys again for a while :lol:

[demzor]

First off, let me say, I do not enjoy MMA. I will only watch Kimbo Slice and Brock Lesnar.

That being said, Brock Lesnar made his UFC debut this past weekend.

Brock comes out and pounds the sh*t out of his opponent.

They tell him stop and take a time out because the guy is gettin his ass drilled so bad, that he turns away in fear which causes Brock to hit him behind the head.

They even take a point away from Brock.

FU*KIN PLEASE!!!

The match continues and Brock is beating his opponent to a bloody mess.

In a split secong, Brock gets his leg caught in a submission move and is forced to tap.

FU*KIN SORRY!!!

His opponent gets up dazed, bloody, and beat up, only to have his hand raised in victory becasue he decided to twist Brocks foot.

This fight is a perfect example of why I hate MMA.

MMA will nevert produce numbers like Boxing.

There is only one sweet science!


How is that any different than a guy getting beat up in a boxing match and then landing a KO punch?

Its combat man. If you leave yourself unprotected.. you can lose.


Though deducting a point for shots at the back of the head WAS bullshit.

[thatboyelite]

The ignorance against MMA is getting annoying.......

Its not ignorance, its just a simple fact. MMA sucks and is very boring to watch.

I'll only watch Kimbo and Brock when they have thier matches. Kimbo will kill tank and brock wont lose again.

[chimba]

Damn thats exactly what my dad told me when I turned 18, almost to a tee of what you said. He explained fighting to me at a young age, on what to do and what not to do. He told me to always make sure you get the first punch in a fight if possible, it will be the most cleanest punch and its the one they never see coming, which is usually the most dangerous punch you will land the whole fight and other stupid shit like that. I had some crazy shit happen to me recently, but until then I was fight free for almost 2 years. I have learned nothing really good comes out of a fight, either you get fucked up or your oppenent wants to take you to court and possibly face legal trouble.

So true get in there first and keep it coming...There are two rules in engagement..Avoid getting hit and hit him at will so that he cannot escape.

To do this you always must be alert in Condition red. You cannot be leaning on walls with your arms crossed..things go down in seconds...you cant be slumped on a chair when sitting..always be erect but relaxed.

trust me I am so well trained when I go to the movies..I sit by the exit just in case of fire..in a crowded theatre..something happens..Im out of there:lol:

Right now some can call my mom a whore I'll just smile...coz I know..Im tired with 2 hrs sleep..I didnt train for months for a fight..Im hungry as hell..I cant fight :lol:

this is real life..martial art

[demzor]

Its not ignorance, its just a simple fact. MMA sucks and is very boring to watch.

I'll only watch Kimbo and Brock when they have thier matches. Kimbo will kill tank and brock wont lose again.

Why are Kimbo and Brock better to watch than anyone else? Kimbo is a bum who will get his shit pounded in as soon as he fights a real mma fighter. And no TANK is not a real mma fighter.

Brock is a wrestler.. which is exactly what you seem to hate.

If you can't respect a fighter like BJ Penn.. then you just dont like fighters.

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[El Puma]

Its not ignorance, its just a simple fact. MMA sucks and is very boring to watch.

I'll only watch Kimbo and Brock when they have thier matches. Kimbo will kill tank and brock wont lose again.Some matches can be but then so can most BOXING matches.

It is ignorance when your only rebuttal against MMA is that it "sucks" and is boring to watch without adding anything specific or sensible to the debate.

[Gonzo]

Its not ignorance, its just a simple fact. MMA sucks and is very boring to watch.

I'll only watch Kimbo and Brock when they have thier matches. Kimbo will kill tank and brock wont lose again.

I agree with that.

[cardstars]

Some matches can be but then so can most BOXING matches.

It is ignorance when your only rebuttal against MMA is that it "sucks" and is boring to watch without adding anything specific or sensible to the debate.

Just forget about it; this guy is obviously a pubescent teen :yep

[El Puma]

I agree with that.:lol:What a surprise, another hater with no meat on a sadly skeleton point of view in his opinions.

[chimba]

Yep its scary when you think about how you can't just look at someone and know what they are capable of (99% of the population assumes bigger and more muscle = instant win). That skinny little 130lb gold glove champion that trains at Uppercut gym near me dropped a massive bouncer that looked like Brock Lesnar with a few quick combos....I bet he doesn't mouth off to small guys again for a while :lol:

Heres to me the best book written about real life Martial Art and what it really means..some of the things here youve probably read from me..because I typed the first draft of this while my Sensei was dictating it. It is a great book and will give you an understanding about fighting and what Martial arts really is

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this thing is safe but "this book can save your life"...we were going to title it like that:lol:

Karasuma Kantaro is a pen name

[El Puma]

Just forget about it; this guy is obviously a pubescent teen :yepIts sad really. Makes it look like boxing fans have an inferiority complex around MMA when in truth it is the few that ruin it for the majority.

[Punisher33]

So true get in there first and keep it coming...There are two rules in engagement..Avoid getting hit and hit him at will so that he cannot escape.

To do this you always must be alert in Condition red. You cannot be leaning on walls with your arms crossed..things go down in seconds...you cant be slumped on a chair when sitting..always be erect but relaxed.

trust me I am so well trained when I go to the movies..I sit by the exit just in case of fire..in a crowded theatre..something happens..Im out of there:lol:

Right now some can call my mom a whore I'll just smile...coz I know..Im tired with 2 hrs sleep..I didnt train for months for a fight..Im hungry as hell..I cant fight :lol:

this is real life..martial art You sound exactly like my dad, saftey first. I feel now adays most of the younger guys and a little younger are mostly pussies, all they know how do is try and punk somebody, but when that doesnt work there lost. I just thank god after all the dumb fights I had, the worst a got was a concusion and some bad bruises that took weeks to heal. I still firmly believe fighting can answer to some problems you have with someone, but afterwards there could be even more problems you might have to deal with later.

[cardstars]

You sound exactly like my dad, saftey first. I feel now adays most of the younger guys and a little younger are mostly pussies, all they know how do is try and punk somebody, but when that doesnt work there lost. I just thank god after all the dumb fights I had, the worst a got was a concusion and some bad bruises that took weeks to heal. I still firmly believe fighting can answer to some problems you have with someone, but afterwards there could be even more problems you might have to deal with later.

Sadly, its true. I have waaay too many friends that let people walk all over them because they are afraid to fight. Nice guys, in fact great guys, but I swear they wouldn't fight if their life depended on it. I can't even get them to throw a fake punch

[chimba]

You sound exactly like my dad, saftey first. I feel now adays most of the younger guys and a little younger are mostly pussies, all they know how do is try and punk somebody, but when that doesnt work there lost. I just thank god after all the dumb fights I had, the worst a got was a concusion and some bad bruises that took weeks to heal. I still firmly believe fighting can answer to some problems you have with someone, but afterwards there could be even more problems you might have to deal with later.

Dude try to get the book I just gave teh Link to Cardstars

Heres a free preview..

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This guy was my Sensei for over 10 years...very underground guy..based in the upper west side, NYC..not sure if he still trains but man pure genius

after reading this..you wont be fighting and if you do...you'll be well armed up there(pointing to temple)

[Punisher33]

Sadly, its true. I have waaay too many friends that let people walk all over them because they are afraid to fight. Nice guys, in fact great guys, but I swear they wouldn't fight if their life depended on it. I can't even get them to throw a fake punch Your right, I have a few friends like that myself. I dont think fightings the answer all the time, but every man or boy had a time in there life were they had a chance where had to fight or backout and look like a pussy infront of your friends and the girls that you like, unless you were Mike Tyson as a 13 yearold kid or something. I think every guy should get in a fight at least once, it's a feeling thats indescribable to a person thats never been in one.

[Tyson180]

mma doesn't suck. you obviously suck if you only like brock lesnar, ha. both mma/ufc and boxing are great. i like boxing more, but there are plenty of things to enjoy about ufc. please don't use this form to pout because your roided up wwe 'champ' got his ass tore up.

[Beebs]

First off, let me say, I do not enjoy MMA. I will only watch Kimbo Slice and Brock Lesnar.

That being said, Brock Lesnar made his UFC debut this past weekend.

Brock comes out and pounds the sh*t out of his opponent.

They tell him stop and take a time out because the guy is gettin his ass drilled so bad, that he turns away in fear which causes Brock to hit him behind the head.

They even take a point away from Brock.

FU*KIN PLEASE!!!

The match continues and Brock is beating his opponent to a bloody mess.

In a split secong, Brock gets his leg caught in a submission move and is forced to tap.

FU*KIN SORRY!!!

His opponent gets up dazed, bloody, and beat up, only to have his hand raised in victory becasue he decided to twist Brocks foot.

This fight is a perfect example of why I hate MMA.

MMA will nevert produce numbers like Boxing.

There is only one sweet science!

Man shut the fuck up, it was a foul, those are the rules the athletic commision decided on, nothing any MMA organization can do about it in the states. Lesnar was going to get submitted regardless of what happened.

You can't even go 30 seconds in a boxing match without the ref stopping the action and seperating the two fighters.

[Beebs]

You have to be joking, I never seen anyone get tapped out in a fist fight before by submission. I have been in plenty of scraps and they usually start with fists and ends with fists or kicks if the guys on the ground, Tank would easily beat Mir in a fist fight.:yep

Of course you don't see guys tapping in street fights, but have you never seen somebody choked the fuck out? I have, thats for sure.

Plus what you've personally seen is pretty fucking irrelevant, you aren't watching a pro like Mir, you're watching a bunch of drunk nobodies.

Tank would lose just as quick anywhere, he didn't even hit Mir.

[cardstars]

Your right, I have a few friends like that myself. I dont think fightings the answer all the time, but every man or boy had a time in there life were they had a chance where had to fight or backout and look like a pussy infront of your friends and the girls that you like, unless you were Mike Tyson as a 13 yearold kid or something. I think every guy should get in a fight at least once, it's a feeling thats indescribable to a person thats never been in one.

I agree. I am a "fight-last" sort of guy, but sometimes you have no choice unless you literally run away. And I do think its a great learning experience, and almost something that can turn a boy into a man. Come to think of it, guys I know that haven't ever been in a fight do tend to be more immature....I might be on to something here.....:lol:

[PhillyShell]

Another one of these threads? great. hey iron duke, remind me again why it is that bjj submissions are "h4x0rz!!1!" in a real fight?

[cardstars]

Another one of these threads? great. hey iron duke, remind me again why it is that bjj submissions are "h4x0rz!!1!" in a real fight?

I can answer that one; "because no one is going to actually so some stupid leg or arm bar in a REAL fight, and if they did it wouldn't work" (said in a high pitch annoying teenage voice) :rofl

[PhillyShell]

I can answer that one; "because no one is going to actually so some stupid leg or arm bar in a REAL fight, and if they did it wouldn't work" (said in a high pitch annoying teenage voice) :rofl
? i'm not sure how that has anything to do with what i was talking about

[Larson]

I agree. I am a "fight-last" sort of guy, but sometimes you have no choice unless you literally run away. And I do think its a great learning experience, and almost something that can turn a boy into a man. Come to think of it, guys I know that haven't ever been in a fight do tend to be more immature....I might be on to something here.....:lol:

Sounds like they could use a good asswhoopin':lol:.

[PhillyShell]

Sounds like they could use a good asswhoopin':lol:.
i agree completely. nothing helps maturity like violence.

[Larson]

i agree completely. nothing helps maturity like violence.

Its a joke.

[PhillyShell]

Its a joke.
so was mine.

[Larson]

so was mine.

Misunderstanding. My apologies.

[PhillyShell]

Misunderstanding. My apologies. nothing to apologize for.

[Dynamite Kid]

First off, let me say, I do not enjoy MMA. I will only watch Kimbo Slice and Brock Lesnar.

That being said, Brock Lesnar made his UFC debut this past weekend.

Brock comes out and pounds the sh*t out of his opponent.

They tell him stop and take a time out because the guy is gettin his ass drilled so bad, that he turns away in fear which causes Brock to hit him behind the head.

They even take a point away from Brock.

FU*KIN PLEASE!!!

The match continues and Brock is beating his opponent to a bloody mess.

In a split secong, Brock gets his leg caught in a submission move and is forced to tap.

FU*KIN SORRY!!!

His opponent gets up dazed, bloody, and beat up, only to have his hand raised in victory becasue he decided to twist Brocks foot.

This fight is a perfect example of why I hate MMA.

MMA will nevert produce numbers like Boxing.

There is only one sweet science!

Brock wasn't beating Frank Mir to a bloody mess. What fight were you watching dude?:patsch And that point deduction made sense. He hit him in the back of the head more than once. Had he hit him once in the back of the head he would have got a warning, but it wasn't once. He tried to hit him there several times. Also if your upset Brock was winning the fight and was forced to tap, guess what? It's MMA. Mir pulled off a slick sub and that's his game. And you say there's only one sweet science? Dude MMA has NOTHING to do with Boxing. Nothing at all. They are 2 different sports and both have there own respective athletes. You don't like MMA? Don't watch it. You say MMA sucks? Guess what, there's PLENTY of people out there such as myself that will disagree with you. You say MMA will never revert numbers like boxing? lol the only time boxing blew away MMA was Oscar vs Floyd. Other than that MMA does just as good if not better sometimes. UFC is a GREAT company that knows how to MARKET there product. Boxing lately is putting big fights together because the UFC every month is marketing a must see fight and they sell out there venues where ever they go. Jones vs Trinidad was the first boxing match I ever seen who's PPV numbers did better than there ticket sales:think So what are you talking about? This isn't boxing dude, stop comparing the 2 in status cause your not making any sense to me at all. MMA fighters have there own comfort level just as boxers do. But since you wanna compare the 2 i'll tell you this, Yves Edwards, Spencer Fisher, Jens Pulver, Melvin Guillard, Anderi Arlovski and UFC Middleweight champ Anderson "Spider" Silva would give ANY elite Boxer a run for there money and probably even knock them out lol and i'm just talking about standup, not even taking them to the ground... Since we're comparing the 2:D

[Dynamite Kid]

First off, let me say, I do not enjoy MMA. I will only watch Kimbo Slice and Brock Lesnar.

That being said, Brock Lesnar made his UFC debut this past weekend.

Brock comes out and pounds the sh*t out of his opponent.

They tell him stop and take a time out because the guy is gettin his ass drilled so bad, that he turns away in fear which causes Brock to hit him behind the head.

They even take a point away from Brock.

FU*KIN PLEASE!!!

The match continues and Brock is beating his opponent to a bloody mess.

In a split secong, Brock gets his leg caught in a submission move and is forced to tap.

FU*KIN SORRY!!!

His opponent gets up dazed, bloody, and beat up, only to have his hand raised in victory becasue he decided to twist Brocks foot.

This fight is a perfect example of why I hate MMA.

MMA will nevert produce numbers like Boxing.

There is only one sweet science!

Brock wasn't beating Frank Mir to a bloody mess. What fight were you watching dude?:patsch And that point deduction made sense. He hit him in the back of the head more than once. Had he hit him once in the back of the head he would have got a warning, but it wasn't once. He tried to hit him there several times. Also if your upset Brock was winning the fight and was forced to tap, guess what? It's MMA. Mir pulled off a slick sub and that's his game. And you say there's only one sweet science? Dude MMA has NOTHING to do with Boxing. Nothing at all. They are 2 different sports and both have there own respective athletes. You don't like MMA? Don't watch it. You say MMA sucks? Guess what, there's PLENTY of people out there such as myself that will disagree with you. You say MMA will never revert numbers like boxing? lol the only time boxing blew away MMA was Oscar vs Floyd. Other than that MMA does just as good if not better sometimes. UFC is a GREAT company that knows how to MARKET there product. Boxing lately is putting big fights together because the UFC every month is marketing a must see fight and they sell out there venues where ever they go. Jones vs Trinidad was the first boxing match I ever seen who's PPV numbers did better than there ticket sales:think So what are you talking about? This isn't boxing dude, stop comparing the 2 in status cause your not making any sense to me at all. MMA fighters have there own comfort level just as boxers do. But since you wanna compare the 2 i'll tell you this, Yves Edwards, Spencer Fisher, Jens Pulver, Melvin Guillard, Anderi Arlovski and UFC Middleweight champ Anderson "Spider" Silva would give ANY elite Boxer a run for there money and probably even knock them out lol and i'm just talking about standup, not even taking them to the ground... Since we're comparing the 2:D

[cardstars]

? i'm not sure how that has anything to do with what i was talking about
well nevermind then

[Dynamite Kid]

I myself watched a similiar UFC fight years ago, it was Tank against the same guy I believe Mir, Tank looked to be beating him up and out of nowhere he gets tapped out. I think Tank said it best after that fight, "If he wants a real fight meet me at the bar and thats finish it like men", in a street fight Mir would of been laying in a pool of his own blood, that match really turned me away from UFC, that and the horrible technique at which most MMA guys throw there punches.

Mir would have been laying in a pool of his own blood?:rofl Do you know Mir could do permanant damage to his opponents? What makes you think Mir would have been laying in a pool of his own blood if he tapped Tank out and made him his bitch?:lol: Same thing with Lesnar, Brock came out strong i'll give him that, but Mir made him his bitch too. And not everyone in MMA is gonna have proficient striking, or as i'm pretty sure you like to look at just the punches. Guys in MMA come from different backrounds.

[thatboyelite]

I really dont have to continue this argeument, just look at the numbers. At its strongest point, MMA cant generate numbers like boxing. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!

Theres a reason for that!!

Look, I respect the athletes for their hard work, all I am saying is, its a boring sport.

I dont expect everyone to agree. But I see it as a waste of time and money.

[Beebs]

I really dont have to continue this argeument, just look at the numbers. At its strongest point, MMA cant generate numbers like boxing. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!

Theres a reason for that!!

Look, I respect the athletes for their hard work, all I am saying is, its a boring sport.

I dont expect everyone to agree. But I see it as a waste of time and money.

The UFC generated more money than any other PPV company in 2006 , including HBO and Showtime.

[cardstars]

The UFC generated more money than any other PPV company in 2006 , including HBO and Showtime.

I think we should nominate this for dan-b's "dumbest thread of the year". It just keeps getting better....:lol:

[Cadillac Man]

WOW 1 YEAR MORON....2007 Boxing kicked its ass in numbers and $...Boxers make more $ than UFC fighters because there fans are a of more higher caliber of people...MMA has 1 demographic 18-34 white males and its just fact...Boxing is a world wide sport, with a history an tradition an a olympic sport MMA doesnt have any of that its a fad that will fade

[cardstars]

WOW 1 YEAR MORON....2007 Boxing kicked its ass in numbers and $...Boxers make more $ than UFC fighters because there fans are a of more higher caliber of people...MMA has 1 demographic 18-34 white males and its just fact...Boxing is a world wide sport, with a history an tradition an a olympic sport MMA doesnt have any of that its a fad that will fade

Settle down....did someone strike a nerve or what? :hi:

[Beebs]

WOW 1 YEAR MORON....2007 Boxing kicked its ass in numbers and $...Boxers make more $ than UFC fighters because there fans are a of more higher caliber of people...MMA has 1 demographic 18-34 white males and its just fact...Boxing is a world wide sport, with a history an tradition an a olympic sport MMA doesnt have any of that its a fad that will fade

Look you ignorant fucker, the guy made a comment that "MMA at its best could never come close to boxing numbers" like thats some sort of damning statement. I provided facts that proved otherwise, if those facts don't sit well with your fingers in the ears world view, fuck you.

[h2hkiller]

I'm just glad that there are more fighting sports to watch on TV, rather than more NASCAR or bowling.

[murphyx500]

i think both sports have their share of up and downs. Matt Skelton vs Danny Williams, fucking shite. Sometimes boxers are afraid to hit eachother which makes it boring but boxing can also produce some of the most shocking and exciting moments in sport. UFC can be boring when two people are hugging eachother on the ground in dodgy positions, but it also has great moments to, like when someone anticipates a punch and leans one way, only to meet a roundhouse to the face. Thank you and good night.

[cardstars]

i think both sports have their share of up and downs. Matt Skelton vs Danny Williams, fucking shite. Sometimes boxers are afraid to hit eachother which makes it boring but boxing can also produce some of the most shocking and exciting moments in sport. UFC can be boring when two people are hugging eachother on the ground in dodgy positions, but it also has great moments to, like when someone anticipates a punch and leans one way, only to meet a roundhouse to the face. Thank you and good night.

:happy :happy :happy
someone buy this man a beer

[Dynamite Kid]

WOW 1 YEAR MORON....2007 Boxing kicked its ass in numbers and $...Boxers make more $ than UFC fighters because there fans are a of more higher caliber of people...MMA has 1 demographic 18-34 white males and its just fact...Boxing is a world wide sport, with a history an tradition an a olympic sport MMA doesnt have any of that its a fad that will fade

What the hell are you talking about? Just because MMA may not be an olympic sport doesn't mean it doesn't have olympic caliber athletes:-( Or athletes that have competed in the olympics. Yoshida is a world olympic Judo champion. Let me not even fail to mention all the olympic caliber wrestlers. Just because you always see an olympic Boxer persue a professional career in Boxing doesn't mean there olympic backround is worth more than what other athletes in other area's are doing. Kurt Angle won his 1996 olympic gold medal in wrestling with a broken neck and I think that's the most amazing thing any athlete can do, especially over a Boxer. And what's up with all this demographic 18-34 white males crap? Last time i saw MMA and the UFC attract a world wide fan base. You don't have to be a white guy within the ages of 18-34 to have interest in MMA. That is ridiculous. I the first person I heard say that was Lou Dibella and I swear I wanted to kick the TV in when said that dumb shit:lol:

[Dostoevsky]

:lol:
Damn, alot of hardcore boxing fans are some of the most insecure whiniest bitches on the face of the earth. :lol:
Every week there is a thread attacking MMA, quite pathetic really. Can't you stand the fact there is a new combat sport on the scene taking alot of boxings limelight?
For a sport that has only been around since 1993 to break the PPV records of 2006 against a sport thats been around for about 150 years is pretty successful don't ya think? For a combat sport thats only been around 15 years to become as popular and well known as a sport that has been as popular and well known as boxing which has been around for hundreds of years is pretty damn successful ain't it?
The rise to the top has been pretty fast huh?

MMA is more popular than Boxing in Japan
MMA is more popular than Boxing in Korea
MMA is more popular than Boxing in Brazil
MMA is near enough equal in popularity in USA

Boxing worldwide sport? Yes.
MMA worldwide sport? Yes.

As to the numbers who follow MMA or boxing more worldwide, I would not be suprised at all to find that the figures are comparable.
MMA is only going to get more popular and more successful.
Deal with it.

[Markie B]

i like MMA a lot. I like boxing a lot more.

The Lesnar-Mir fight is exactly why MMA is good. Lesnar did foul him, that was why they were separated. Hitting in the back of the head is a serious foul, just like in boxing.

Then Lesnar pounced on him, and all of a sudden, Mir had his leg and it was over. Brock needs to learn how to fight submission fighhts. Mirs is well known as a submission artist. Brock was dumb.

[BewareofDawg]

I myself watched a similiar UFC fight years ago, it was Tank against the same guy I believe Mir, Tank looked to be beating him up and out of nowhere he gets tapped out. I think Tank said it best after that fight, "If he wants a real fight meet me at the bar and thats finish it like men", in a street fight Mir would of been laying in a pool of his own blood, that match really turned me away from UFC, that and the horrible technique at which most MMA guys throw there punches.
Ummmm actually not. In a Street Fight Tanks fat ass would've been caught in a submission again and he would have had his pathetic life choked completely out of him, or his arm broken in half and then he would've been beat to death. :good

[dangerousity]

The twisting of the foot to make your opponent tap out was as scientific as any boxing move. You try twisting a 280lb+ man with explosive strength and championship wrestling background foot to make him submit. Your point is m00t.

[victor879]

I agree. In a street fight Mir gets stomped out in that position. That's illegal in MMA so Mir got an ankle lock.

That being said... MMA has its moments. For the most part though, there is too much wrestling/grappling for my taste.

There should be something, a timelimit, or something the referee can look for where he just stands the guys up again. I think they leave it on the ground too long sometimes. If the submission doesn't happen, don't let them sit on the ground for 3 minutes doing practically nothing. Stand them up, and force all fighters to be more versatile. Just my honest opinion.

[aidensdad1127]

You have to be joking, I never seen anyone get tapped out in a fist fight before by submission. I have been in plenty of scraps and they usually start with fists and ends with fists or kicks if the guys on the ground, Tank would easily beat Mir in a fist fight.:yep

No way. How many highly traineed grapplers have you fought? Mir would have broke the mother fuckers leg off. That is what grapplers do.

[PH|LLA]

moved to the MMA forum

[ralphc]

First off, let me say, I do not enjoy MMA. I will only watch Kimbo Slice and Brock Lesnar.

That being said, Brock Lesnar made his UFC debut this past weekend.

Brock comes out and pounds the sh*t out of his opponent.

They tell him stop and take a time out because the guy is gettin his ass drilled so bad, that he turns away in fear which causes Brock to hit him behind the head.

They even take a point away from Brock.

FU*KIN PLEASE!!!

The match continues and Brock is beating his opponent to a bloody mess.

In a split secong, Brock gets his leg caught in a submission move and is forced to tap.

FU*KIN SORRY!!!

His opponent gets up dazed, bloody, and beat up, only to have his hand raised in victory becasue he decided to twist Brocks foot.

This fight is a perfect example of why I hate MMA.

MMA will nevert produce numbers like Boxing.

There is only one sweet science!



They refer to it as "martial arts." If indeed it is an art then why are the top guys performing in such a crude and ugly way? Watching ufc/mma is even worse than watching Ricky Hatton's ugly mauling/brawling boxing style.

[demzor]

They refer to it as "martial arts." If indeed it is an art then why are the top guys performing in such a crude and ugly way? Watching ufc/mma is even worse than watching Ricky Hatton's ugly mauling/brawling boxing style.

Ugly to you... not everyone.
If you can't appreciate grappling thats your problem.

[Punisher33]

No way. How many highly traineed grapplers have you fought? Mir would have broke the mother fuckers leg off. That is what grapplers do. I'm sorry, but never once in my life did I see a guy get a leg lock on another guy in a fight. I have watched skilled fight and novice street fights, and 9 times out of 10 it starts with a fist or a take down, and ends with a fist or a take down. In a street fight if someone dropped to there knees and tried getting you in a leg lock, they get a boot to the head, something that is illegal to do in a MMA match if your oppenent is on the ground and your standing up. Mir was getting pummelled by Brock, and the ref broke it up because Brock hit him in the back of the head with a punch, thats the difference between a street fight and MMA fight, in a street fight anything goes and no ones breaking it up.:deal

[Gunns4hire]

I said the same shit about that fight!!!

Mir got his ass whooped and won on a submission....

they should draw rules up for each fight.... Because the fights are only interesting when you have two guys fighting that specialize in the same style...

Strikers vs. strikers and submission artist vs. submission artist

If these categories are integrated then you get bullshit like what happened in the mir lesnar fight..

MMA is gay! point blank period...

It needs not be compared to boxing but more so to wrestling...Thats their real competition..

Every fighter in the MMA is a fuckin character just look at rampage jackson and chuck liddel they could make a smooth transition to the WWE

[offthahook]

I said the same shit about that fight!!!

Mir got his ass whooped and won on a submission....

they should draw rules up for each fight.... Because the fights are only interesting when you have two guys fighting that specialize in the same style...

Strikers vs. strikers and submission artist vs. submission artist

If these categories are integrated then you get bullshit like what happened in the mir lesnar fight..

MMA is gay! point blank period...

It needs not be compared to boxing but more so to wrestling...Thats their real competition..

Every fighter in the MMA is a fuckin character just look at rampage jackson and chuck liddel they could make a smooth transition to the WWE


Moron of the month award, it wouldnt be mixed martial arts if its strikers vs strikers and subs vs subs, thats one, and its even bett er when its like that. It shows which art is superior, and while there is rules creates an interesting chess match. Brock agreed to mma rules, his problem, this proves nothing on the street. Bottom line is brock only knows how to beat people up, when hes vulnerable he cant properly react.

[bestdefense117]

MMA is barely fighting. The fighters are terrified to get hit in the face and when it gets even a little tough they lay on the ground for the whole fight. Whats the differnce between gay porn and MMA: Nothing:hey

[MON]

Whats the differnce between gay porn and MMA:

You don't like MMA.

[billyconn]

You don't like MMA.

:lol:

[BewareofDawg]

I'm sorry, but never once in my life did I see a guy get a leg lock on another guy in a fight. I have watched skilled fight and novice street fights, and 9 times out of 10 it starts with a fist or a take down, and ends with a fist or a take down. In a street fight if someone dropped to there knees and tried getting you in a leg lock, they get a boot to the head, something that is illegal to do in a MMA match if your oppenent is on the ground and your standing up. Mir was getting pummelled by Brock, and the ref broke it up because Brock hit him in the back of the head with a punch, thats the difference between a street fight and MMA fight, in a street fight anything goes and no ones breaking it up.:deal
Explain this to me then :patsch

BJ Penn can catch Joe Stevenson and Matt Hughes in chokes but he can't catch some dude off the street in a choke? :lol: Yoiu are being stupid with this post.

I am reading alot of "I've seen alot of street fights and never one submission....blah blah blah"

Let me make one thing clear here: There are two obvious reasons why you don't see a guy pulling an arm bar or guillotine chokes in street fights:

1. 99% of men never get into physical confrontations, or maybe once a year and thats alot. So there is a level of panick that sets in. I don't care how big, confident or tough you are. If you never fight, and then you do, you are not thinking as clearly as you ideally would like to be.
2. 99.5% of men aren't skilled enough to do it. Plain and simple. They don't train in it, they don't practice it and they don't feel comfortable trying it.

You can bet your mothers ass that if BJ Penn or Anderson Silva or Noguiera or Frank Mir or probably any guy that trains full time in MMA even walks up to you in a bar, on the street, in a restaurant, or where ever you have seen "these fights" you speak of and are committed to putting you in a submission.....they are going to do it. :deal

[Hank]

MMA is good to know if you want to defend self in fight (as is boxing)
But a lot of street fights wind up on ground, so MMA is better of two to know. But for watching, and as a sport, I love boxing, pass on MMA.

[the_truth]

no disrespect im not a fan of mma, i respect everybodys opinion, but honestly mma success really has to do with the type of fans its reaching and the way is being marketed esp. with the pricing and being air on t.v. often... boxing in my opinion takes more skills, dedication, than any sport... like i said before you would have ten times more of a chance being an mma champion than being a boxing champ even when boxing has a variety of belts... like someone said mma is for people that didnt make it in boxing...:D

[billyconn]

no disrespect im not a fan of mma, i respect everybodys opinion, but honestly mma success really has to do with the type of fans its reaching and the way is being marketed esp. with the pricing and being air on t.v. often... boxing in my opinion takes more skills, dedication, than any sport... like i said before you would have ten times more of a chance being an mma champion than being a boxing champ even when boxing has a variety of belts... like someone said mma is for people that didnt make it in boxing...:D

actually it's more like MMA is for lots of U.S. amateur wrestlers (certainly more than boxers) who either can not make the olympic team or want to make some money. To be elite in any sport takes skills and dedication. Boxing is great sport (one of my favorites to watch) I think MMA is cool in that it makes use of lots of different forms of fighting.

[Mrboogie23]

Kinda hard when you don't watch the sport.:roll:

Can we stop all the goddamn ignorance already? The ref made a bullshit move stopping the fight temporarily because of that back of the head shot, but saying MMA sucks because Lesnar was submitted is just stupid, that is the difference between boxing and MMA, in MMA there are more ways to win, you have to be more well-rounded in a variety of disciplines. Lesnar obviously wasn't anything more than a big, strong wrestler with aggressiveness if he's getting subbed by a washed up Mir.


I think Lesnar will still do well. Being submitted by Mir isnt terrible. Dude is a sick grappler. I've seen the guy and a couple of tournaments that my brother was in. The guy is a SICK grappler.