Aussie P4P #1

[VIP]

Mundine baby :deal:smoke

[huricn]

:| :patsch not another mundine thread:nono :dead

[teke]

:hi::deal

[chinachin_76]

As much as I hate the guy Mundine would have to be P4P #1 at the moment. Don't hold your breath though, all you mundine nuthuggers, Katsidis will overtake the mouth in no time.

[crash]

yegh id even say mundines the top dog now,,,kat has a chance of over taking him,,

[teke]

Truely beautiful

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[Barge FTA]

As much as I hate the guy Mundine would have to be P4P #1 at the moment. Don't hold your breath though, all you mundine nuthuggers, Katsidis will overtake the mouth in no time.

Wanna bet? i feel like i am wasting my energy just mentioning Katsidis. Technically, due to the fact Kostya hasn't retired, he would still have to be our pound for pound champ.

[Dr Gonzo]

As much as I hate the guy Mundine would have to be P4P #1 at the moment. Don't hold your breath though, all you mundine nuthuggers, Katsidis will overtake the mouth in no time.

Vic will always be pound for pound a heap better than Choc

[teke]

Vic will always be pound for pound a heap better than ChocNope

[Dekkers]

It's true :|, Aussie boxing has hit a new low :D

[EelsRule]

Upham said as much last night on fox. The man is number one, which I have to admit is not a glowing endorsement of Aussie boxing considering he has done bugger all so far. Then again Vic was hardly Australian p4p anyway.

[ashley]

I would have said Vic but he just ghot smashed so it must be Mundine.....sad but true.

[Kegsy]

finally he fights some1 witha bit of skill a mini choc and he got whopped he's not aussie anyway:nut I wonder if Choc#1 could give us his expert Aussie top 10, that is if anyone else exists besides Mundine.:yep

[Kegsy]

your the expert mate i read your posts are you talking top 10 present or all time?Top 10 present in Australia.


Dont run to boxrec mate.:nono:yep

[ashley]

1.mundine
2.green
3.briggs
4.katsidis
5.oganov
6.vic
7.soliman
8.bika
9.dawson
10.ndou
then you got the up and coming stars like rob medley daniel geale and les sherington
i don't rate nader hamden or shannon taylor or ben rabah or gary st clair
you could swap a couple around but that roughly what i reakon

Not bad :good

[EelsRule]

lord, if Green is number two we are truelly at our weakest ever. Where is Peden these days.

[IrnBruMan]

1 loss and Mundine overtakes Vic on the Aussie P4P list? :lol:

You're kidding aren't you?

Mundine's had 3 losses - how can he be rated above Vic?

Vic had also unified 2 real belts - Mundine doesn't even have 1 right now.

[kel]

Yeah Vic doesn't drop down that far imo.

What happens if he won a rematch in 3 months time? There's no way you can drop that much after getting beat defending ur 2 world title belts. If he suffers another loss straight away then an argument can be made.

[KO Boxing]

After being fairly domainated for 5 rounds and then brutally stopped, Mundine's certainly Australia's no. 1 p4p fighter at the moment.

To think differently... :patsch

I suppose would be expected..

:bbb

[pecks]

After being fairly domainated for 5 rounds and then brutally stopped, Mundine's certainly Australia's no. 1 p4p fighter at the moment.

To think differently... :patsch

I suppose would be expected..

:bbbFairly dominated? 2 of the 3 judges had both fighters winning 2 rounds each up untiol the point of stoppage.

[KO Boxing]

Fairly dominated? 2 of the 3 judges had both fighters winning 2 rounds each up untiol the point of stoppage.
Yea I know, that's why I said fairly (one judge also had it 4-0). I had it 3-1 personally. And the momentum was clearly with Donaire throughout the entire fight. I much prefer clean effective punching over coming forward and throwing hard punches (where most don't land)...

Not an attack on Vic at all, but it wasn't exactly hard word for Nonito. Not easy either.

[pecks]

Yea I know, that's why I said fairly (one judge also had it 4-0). I had it 3-1 personally. And the momentum was clearly with Donaire throughout the entire fight. I much prefer clean effective punching over coming forward and throwing hard punches (where most don't land)...

Not an attack on Vic at all, but it wasn't exactly hard word for Nonito. Not easy either.Thats a pretty fair analysis.
I wasn't that surprised that Donaire was edging the fight. I just thought that Vic's power would take it's toll on Donaire in the later rounds. unfortunately the fight didn't get that far.

[KO Boxing]

Thats a pretty fair analysis.
I wasn't that surprised that Donaire was edging the fight. I just thought that Vic's power would take it's toll on Donaire in the later rounds. unfortunately the fight didn't get that far.
That's why I wouldn't rule Vic out in a rematch. If Vic was even on 2 judges cards when Donaire seemingly had a slight edge, then later in the fight when Vic's hard punches would have to be doing a bit of damage (cause he punches like a damn mule), I reckon Vic could take a decision or possible later stoppage (wouldn't really be able to judge Nonito's chin at the moment, to be honest)...

All in all, there's a few times (namely the Pacheo and Nonito fights) that leave me with the opinion that Vic's style is open to being "outboxed" by a more technical fighter (just as long as that fighter can take his punches)... Donaire was the first to get to him, but I reckon Vic could turn that. Even so, I think it won't be the first time it happens to him (losing, not being KO'ed like that).

With that said, I also think Vic will re-win a world title too! (If given the chance, can't see many champions WANTING to fight him, if they don't have to)...

But back on topic, your really only as good as your last fight. And based on that, Mundine is certainly no. 1 p4p in Aussie at the moment... IMO, I spose.

[pecks]

That's why I wouldn't rule Vic out in a rematch. If Vic was even on 2 judges cards when Donaire seemingly had a slight edge, then later in the fight when Vic's hard punches would have to be doing a bit of damage (cause he punches like a damn mule), I reckon Vic could take a decision or possible later stoppage (wouldn't really be able to judge Nonito's chin at the moment, to be honest)...

All in all, there's a few times (namely the Pacheo and Nonito fights) that leave me with the opinion that Vic's style is open to being "outboxed" by a more technical fighter (just as long as that fighter can take his punches)... Donaire was the first to get to him, but I reckon Vic could turn that. Even so, I think it won't be the first time it happens to him (losing, not being KO'ed like that).

With that said, I also think Vic will re-win a world title too! (If given the chance, can't see many champions WANTING to fight him, if they don't have to)...
I'd agree with a lot of that.

Donaire mentioned how after seeing the Gabbi fight, it gave him hope. I remember seeing this fight and he was making life hard for Vic, but Vic's power came into play during the mid rounds.

Hopefully Vic can get back into the mix of things relatively soon.

[IrnBruMan]

After being fairly domainated for 5 rounds and then brutally stopped, Mundine's certainly Australia's no. 1 p4p fighter at the moment.

To think differently... :patsch

I suppose would be expected..

:bbb

And Mundine wasn't dominated for 10 rds by Kessler?

[shanemfr]

1.mundine
2.green
3.briggs
4.katsidis
5.oganov
6.vic
7.soliman
8.bika
9.dawson
10.ndou
then you got the up and coming stars like rob medley daniel geale and les sherington
i don't rate nader hamden or shannon taylor or ben rabah or gary st clair
you could swap a couple around but that roughly what i reakon
WTF Oganov at 5? whats he ever done, he has never even sniffed the ass of a world champ let alone been or fought one and he's above Ndou and Vic?.....then again this is a Mundine huggers list so there goes any logic :deal

[IrnBruMan]

WTF Oganov at 5? whats he ever done, he has never even sniffed the ass of a world champ let alone been or fought one and he's above Ndou and Vic?.....then again this is a Mundine huggers list so there goes any logic :deal

This bloke's named a list of boxers he's only heard of - emphasised by his post script comment at the bottom, rattling off more names of Aussie boxers :roll:

[EelsRule]

In all honesty I still beleive Vic deserves to be ranked no 1. It was a bad loss, but as pointed out it is his first. I'd rank him no 1 and wait to see how he returns.
1. Glasschinian
2. Mundine
3. Peden
4. Briggs
5. Egor Smith
I recon Vics next fight should be against Hussy on the undercard to Briggs v Green. That would sell OK I recon.
The other fight on that card should be Hamden v Taylor.

[KO Boxing]

And Mundine wasn't dominated for 10 rds by Kessler?
What, 3 years ago? In 3 years, Vic's KO loss won't be that detrimental to his p4p standing. :hey

As I said, your only as good as our last fight.

:good

[IrnBruMan]

What, 3 years ago? In 3 years, Vic's KO loss won't be that detrimental to his p4p standing. :hey

As I said, your only as good as our last fight.

:good

Only just 2 years ago actually, and we're talking current Aussie P4P, not 3 years in the future Aussie P4P.

What has Mundine done in that 2 years to be considered so close to Vic in the Aussie P4P ratings?

[Hmmm]

Mundine's had 3 losses - how can he be rated above Vic?


Great logic there mate.

Maybe Calzaghe should be higher up the P4P list than marquez - marquez has 3 losses...

[IrnBruMan]

Great logic there mate.

Maybe Calzaghe should be higher up the P4P list than marquez - marquez has 3 losses...

My logic was based on the same logic used by the OP to suggest that Mundine is now Aussie P4P #1 - Vic's loss :deal

[KO Boxing]

I think what the OP was getting at is what I've been trying to say this whole damn time. YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR LAST FIGHT!

The fact that Vic got dominated for a few rounds and KO'ed decently early by a good but not overly great opponent, slides him down a few rungs and leaves the top spot to our only other world champ (or interim champ, whatever you wanna call him) who YEARS after losing his last fight to the no. 2 fighter in the division (not by brutal KO either) he has since won that world title (or interim title), beaten top 5 Green and top 5 middlweight soliman, and is on form.

If Vic was to get an immediate rematch and win, I'd put him back on top spot. But getting a rematch and winning it will be very hard for Vic.

But each to their own. I see this as simple. But you may have your own criteria. Doesn't matter me one bit.

[IrnBruMan]

I think what the OP was getting at is what I've been trying to say this whole damn time. YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR LAST FIGHT!

The fact that Vic got dominated for a few rounds and KO'ed decently early by a good but not overly great opponent, slides him down a few rungs and leaves the top spot to our only other world champ (or interim champ, whatever you wanna call him) who YEARS after losing his last fight to the no. 2 fighter in the division (not by brutal KO either) he has since won that world title (or interim title), beaten top 5 Green and top 5 middlweight soliman, and is on form.

If Vic was to get an immediate rematch and win, I'd put him back on top spot. But getting a rematch and winning it will be very hard for Vic.

But each to their own. I see this as simple. But you may have your own criteria. Doesn't matter me one bit.

I don't agree with your criteria of "you're only as good as your last fight" in regards to P4P rankings.

A boxer doesn't gain immediate P4P ranking, nor does he move up rapidly in the P4P rankings once there, based on a single win.

Therefore, a single loss shouldn't drop Vic below Mundine.

If we do use your criteria though, does Mudine really deserve to be above Vic based on his last fight?

But at the end of the day, P4P cannot be scientifically proven, and will always be subject to people's opinion, and nobody has a right or wrong opinion :good

[Sai]

Its probably a toss up between mundine and vic. Neither has really beaten anyone on a world class level though. Im really hoping that in a year its going to be Katsidis though, I reckon he has the tools and heart to go all the way.

[deram]

From a foreigner's point of view (mine) it would be something like:
*** clear no. 1 ***
1. Mundine, with beating Green and Soliman he made a pretty wide gap between himself and #2.

*** clear no. 2 ***
2. Vic, lost to a guy 99% of boxing fans would say "don..who?" to. Is fighting in a more shallow division than Mundine and will therefore have to be clear no. 1 there in order to be competitive with Mundine.

*** 3-6 places are hard to place because an argument could be made for a different ranking ***
3. Green, Green imo. is a question mark. He lost clearly to Mundine and has yet to make a mark at LHW. Still he has some decent performances from earlier. Most notably Lucas.

4. Soliman, he did well against Winky but was impressively taken to pieces by Mundine. Soliman needs to stay at LMW.

5. Briggs, a couple of good fights with Adamek, but Adamek's loss to Dawson has to hurt Briggs overall standing.

6. Bika, while he does really not have any good wins.... he has some decent showings against good opposition. He should fight a level below what he has been doing and get some actual wins under his belt. Still, he has proven that he can sort of hang with the best, but also that he cannot beat the best.

*** Places 7 and 8 are close, but Katsidis may have had the best opposition or at least he has made more waves with showmanship etc. ***
7. Katsidis, I was probably one of the first to write about Katsidis on ESB. I did so after seeing him dressed as a roman at the Kessler-Mundine fight in Sydney. He has clearly lightyears ahead of the rest on that undercard. I still have hopes for him, but so far he has not done much.

8. Oganov, unbeaten but also untested. Maybe he is much higher maybe he is much lower... noone knows.

[Kegsy]

I have Mundine at number 1 only just.
I will put up my top 20 aussies later this arvo.

[Kegsy]

My Aussie P4P Top 25... Something Like This

1. Anthony Mundine
2. Vic Darchinyan
3. Paul Briggs
4. Danny Green
5. Michael Katsidis
6. Lovemore N'dou
7. Gairy St Clair
8. Sam Soliman
9. Sakio Bika
10.Naoufel Ben Rabah
11.Jackson Asiku
12.Victor Oganov
13.Ranee Ganoy
14.Hussein Hussein
15.Nadel Hussein
16.Kali Meehan
17.Nader Hamdan
18.Shannan Taylor
19.Billy Dib
20.Daniel Geale
21.Daniel Dawson
22.Rob Medley
23.Anton Solopov
24.Allan Luxford
25.Jamie Pittman

Just Outside: Ben Crampton, John Cotterill Jnr, Daniel Lovett

If Oganov beats Rubin Williams well, he should squeeze into my top 10.

[Marcus]

My Aussie P4P Top 25... Something Like This

1. Anthony Mundine
2. Vic Darchinyan
3. Michael Katsidis
4. Paul Briggs
5. Danny Green
6. Lovemore N'dou
7. Gairy St Clair
8. Sam Soliman
9. Sakio Bika
10.Naoufel Ben Rabah
11.Jackson Asiku
12.Victor Oganov
13.Ranee Ganoy
14.Hussein Hussein
15.Nadel Hussein
16.Kali Meehan
17.Nader Hamdan
18.Shannan Taylor
19.Billy Dib
20.Daniel Geale
21.Daniel Dawson
22.Rob Medley
23.Anton Solopov
24.Allan Luxford
25.Jamie Pittman

Just Outside: Ben Crampton, John Cotterill Jnr, Daniel Lovett

If Oganov beats Rubin Williams well, he should squeeze into my top 10.

Come on kegsy, cant you bump up Geale and Medley a little???

[Kegsy]

Come on kegsy, cant you bump up Geale and Medley a little???They are great prospects mate, but extremely untested.
Should Geale fight & beat Shannan Taylor well, he moves up towards about 14 or maybe higher:good.

Medley well there aint much left at Welterweight for him in Australia.
Must get quality imports.:deal

[ipswich express]

Personally I think you have got Katsidis rated a bit too highly. I'm a big fan of Rocky but his win over Earl shouldn't place him over the likes of Briggs or Green yet, who have faced far more world class opposition. I think Pittman will be climbing this chart very soon, too. Absolutely massive for a middleweight, he's going places imo.

[Kegsy]

Personally I think you have got Katsidis rated a bit too highly. I'm a big fan of Rocky but his win over Earl shouldn't place him over the likes of Briggs or Green yet, who have faced far more world class opposition. I think Pittman will be climbing this chart very soon, too. Absolutely massive for a middleweight, he's going places imo. Yeah i felt the same in hindsight when i compiled it.
I will re-place him just below Danny Green for now.
Alot could change in the next week.:good

Pittman will move up for sure now.
Some good matches in & around at that weight too in Australia.
Geale, Dawson, Solopov, Taylor & Pittman now too.:deal

[Hmmm]

I dont think you've placed Kat too high at all. He's the only one other mundine on that list to have a current World Title.

[Kegsy]

I dont think you've placed Kat too high at all. He's the only one other mundine on that list to have a current World Title. I have decided i will keep him at 5.
Should he win convincingly against Amonsot, could very well move to 3.
Biggest wins for Katsidis are Earl & Ganoy you have to realise.

Briggs has beaten current world champ Stipe Drews.
Green well has never looked better since going up to 175. We will find out more come this wednesday.

[Kegsy]

Funny observation by most others, is how high they have Oganov.
Im a massive fan of his (as u can tell by my avatar), BUT some people obviously lack knowledge about our other boxers, & only know Oganov coz of his imposing record.
People look at the record on paper of say a Jackson Asiku, & dont realise how good he really is.

[ipswich express]

Holding on to a spurious world title shouldn't come in to p4p rankings. Quality of opposition should.

[Marcus]

Holding on to a spurious world title shouldn't come in to p4p rankings. Quality of opposition should.

Iv never heard of that organisation :nut

[Kegsy]

Like the avatar man.
Chris Arreola, close to America's top Heavyweight prospect.
He is of mexican heritage too, dont see many of them at Heavyweight.

[chinachin_76]

My Aussie P4P Top 25... Something Like This

1. Anthony Mundine
2. Vic Darchinyan
3. Paul Briggs
4. Danny Green
5. Michael Katsidis
6. Lovemore N'dou
7. Gairy St Clair
8. Sam Soliman
9. Sakio Bika
10.Naoufel Ben Rabah
11.Jackson Asiku
12.Victor Oganov
13.Ranee Ganoy
14.Hussein Hussein
15.Nadel Hussein
16.Kali Meehan
17.Nader Hamdan
18.Shannan Taylor
19.Billy Dib
20.Daniel Geale
21.Daniel Dawson
22.Rob Medley
23.Anton Solopov
24.Allan Luxford
25.Jamie Pittman

Just Outside: Ben Crampton, John Cotterill Jnr, Daniel Lovett

If Oganov beats Rubin Williams well, he should squeeze into my top 10.
What about Adam Wills? On heart alone he deserves to be in there.:yep

[Kegsy]

What about Adam Wills? On heart alone he deserves to be in there.:yep
Really like watching Willsy, but he has a fair way to go mate.:deal

[Kegsy]

do u think briggs would beat greeny then kegsy?
Tough pick IMO.
Briggs has the better resume of opponents in recent times & has done better in the matches he has lost.
Obviously there is very little between them both.
I would lean just to Danny Green, but Briggs has the better resume.

[Marcus]

Like the avatar man.
Chris Arreola, close to America's top Heavyweight prospect.
He is of mexican heritage too, dont see many of them at Heavyweight.

Mate he is really starting to impress a lot of people. I love most Mexican boxers, maily due to there styles, but a HEAVYWEIGHT!!!!!! Thas pretty exciting!!! I think he is being moved along nicely, and maybe a title shot late next year could be about right, i dont want him just KOing tomato cans. He has had those fights already and should challenge himself from now on.

[Dr Gonzo]

Mate he is really starting to impress a lot of people. I love most Mexican boxers, maily due to there styles, but a HEAVYWEIGHT!!!!!! Thas pretty exciting!!! I think he is being moved along nicely, and maybe a title shot late next year could be about right, i dont want him just KOing tomato cans. He has had those fights already and should challenge himself from now on.

The guy looks great. However i would like to see him work on speed and conditioning a little more - he looks like the kinda guy that could quickly stack on alot of weight if he wasnt careful

[Marcus]

The guy looks great. However i would like to see him work on speed and conditioning a little more - he looks like the kinda guy that could quickly stack on alot of weight if he wasnt careful

Mate he is still coming down, a year ago he looked like a pig!!

[Marcus]

I ment to say he looked like Pigsy off Monkey Magic!!!


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[Dr Gonzo]

Hahaha yeah true - to his credit he has dropped at least 25 pounds. I would just hate to see another James Toney

[Kegsy]

Yeah he has lost a bit of weight & put on more muscle.
I would like him to put on a touch more muscle before really stepping it up coz conditioning will become a big difference between winning & losing.

[Kegsy]

Ring magazine like him so much, that he's at number 10 at heavyweight.
Bit premature IMO.

[Dr Gonzo]

yeah far too early - id have tony thompson above him

[Kegsy]

yeah far too early - id have tony thompson above himYeah, especially after that dominant display against Krasniqi on the weekend in Germany.
Great win for The Tiger.:happy
I would put him ahead of Virchis too. I would have at number 9 if i was Ring Magazine.:good