Vlad's Heavyweight Jab....where does it rate

[Bummy Davis]

I have seen some great heavyweight Jabs in my life,Louis Pinklon Thomas,Larry Holmes,Ali,Foreman,Lewis all different but Vlad's jab was snapping Brewsters head back like a heavyweight right hand, Foreman had real power behind the jab and Ali had speed, Holmes had authority behind his but Vlad seems like a combination of them all and his Jab has its own sort of Ukrainian Rythym. I have been watching boxing for too many years but Vlad's is one of the best I have seen. I saw it vs Byrd,Brock,Austin,Brewster and after 6 rounds of the jab, most of them Had enough. Guys that have seen my posts know I go back and defend a lot of the fighters of the past but I got to call it as I see it ( a Dominant weapon)

[RUSKULL]

Wlad is not a top 10 ATG yet but his jab is. For a Heavyweight to have such speed, accuracy & power in their jab is practically unheard of.:bbb

[dragosuhail]

i know people will roll their eyes at this, but i strongly feel wladimir's jab is an ATG jab. probably the best ever actually. i mean, brewster is a solid mofo even if he isn't at his best anymore and that jab was moving him. and like manny mentioned wladimir might ko brewster with the JAB alone. and in essence that's exactly what he did.

as for a general ATG status i'll want him to unify and hopefully rematch sanders (despite corries advanced age i reckon he is more dangerous to wlad than holyfield imo).

AND i want to see wladimir as complete as he can possibly be. in other words i want to see him ko a top line heavy with one or more uppercuts, and another AAA contender with bodyshots. literally break down his man doing something unnatural for him which is wailing away to the body. if he does this, then ATG status is definately worthy since he would have virtually past all tests by his retirement and can reasonably compared in fantasy matchups with past greats cause he has a full arsenal. also his chin isn't that bad. his stamina is good but definately not ATG i will admit as he must fight at a pace he sets. but that's part of his weakness which everyone has. i would definately rate him top 10 ATG if he does all this but one day ups his work rate to levels seen in ali-frazier. no doubt. maybe no1. ATG.

i will easily rate him higher than lennox if he can add the above to his legacy (minus the extra stamina). and im not being picky or whinging as im a HUUUGE wlad fan. :thumbsup

[Bummy Davis]

I agree, Vlad is not an ATG, YET but his Jab is ATG

[RUSKULL]

Lewis is still higher on any reasonable ATG list but his story has already been written where Wladimir is still adding to his.

Wladimir needs to unify by beating Chagaev, Ibragimov & the winner of Maskaev vs. Peter. A KO over Sanders wouldn't hurt either and be concidered legit revenge if Sanders strings together a couple of decent wins prior to the match.

He should also beat a couple more up & coming talents like Povetkin, Solis or Thompson down the road a bit when they have more credible wins.

I would even say another fight against TOS would be in order except who has TOS beaten lately to justify him getting a shot at the IBF belt?

[RUSKULL]

I agree, Vlad is not an ATG, YET but his Jab is ATG

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[dado]

i know this is gonna sound rediculous but because i have grown up watching the klit bros and they are who got me into boxing,, i like them both so much and the way they fight,,, i watched wlads first fight,, there was hype about it coz it was " vitalis little brothers first fight" and for the first few years wladimir was in his bros shadow but quickly became a force of his own,,, this is gonna sound crazy,, but watching wlad ,, this last fight,, he if sooo fucking good,, i think i would rate him an ATG already if he does all those above things like unify the title... defend it etc i would throw him up there in the top ten without a problem and if he fights all the top guys and consistently beats them convincingly i would put him in the top 5 IF he could achieve these things,,,, remember also i dont judge ATG status so much by carreer achievements but more by fighting ability and yeh judging by the brewster asswhipping wlads got some ability,, his jab is one of the best ever easily,, his right hand also is one of the best i ever seen its like a cannon,, props to brewster for taking a few of them nicely

[lefthook31]

Hes looked great against fighters hes a lot better than. Remember he was handing Brewster his head in the first fight as well. His jab has looked less effective against a guy who can get inside a little more in Sam Peter. Before everyone annoits him to greatness, lets see him face some better competition if it ever comes. I want to see him face Peter again or even Holyfield. Holy will at least make an effort to get inside and make it a rough fight.

[RUSKULL]

Hes looked great against fighters hes a lot better than. Remember he was handing Brewster his head in the first fight as well. His jab has looked less effective against a guy who can get inside a little more in Sam Peter. Before everyone annoits him to greatness, lets see him face some better competition if it ever comes. I want to see him face Peter again or even Holyfield. Holy will at least make an effort to get inside and make it a rough fight.

Good points, I still think Wlad KO's Peter if they fight again. Holyfield? I guess so but chances are Bates, Oquendo & Savarese didn't prepare Holyfield for the beating he would recieve vs. Wladimir.

[RUSKULL]

i know this is gonna sound rediculous but because i have grown up watching the klit bros and they are who got me into boxing,, i like them both so much and the way they fight,,, i watched wlads first fight,, there was hype about it coz it was " vitalis little brothers first fight" and for the first few years wladimir was in his bros shadow but quickly became a force of his own,,, this is gonna sound crazy,, but watching wlad ,, this last fight,, he if sooo fucking good,, i think i would rate him an ATG already if he does all those above things like unify the title... defend it etc i would throw him up there in the top ten without a problem and if he fights all the top guys and consistently beats them convincingly i would put him in the top 5 IF he could achieve these things,,,, remember also i dont judge ATG status so much by carreer achievements but more by fighting ability and yeh judging by the brewster asswhipping wlads got some ability,, his jab is one of the best ever easily,, his right hand also is one of the best i ever seen its like a cannon,, props to brewster for taking a few of them nicely

Generally when ranking ATG status some people look at it as "head to head fantasy matchups" or "based on legacy & achievements in the ring." Head to head Wlad matches up well against just about anybody but his record still doesn't have a win over another great fighter like Lewis, Ali, Forman, Tyson, etc.

That's why even if Wlad does achieve unification, while defeating a couple of young guns like Povetkin or Solis he'd have a hard time breaking into the top 10 let alone top 5. It depends though because if Povetkin & Solis keep winning as easily as they have so far their names may one day be rated highly....................only time will tell.

[lefthook31]

Good points, I still think Wlad KO's Peter if they fight again. Holyfield? I guess so but chances are Bates, Oquendo & Savarese didn't prepare Holyfield for the beating he would recieve vs. Wladimir.

Probably not, but noone will. Wlad is that far ahead of th class, but I want to see how he responds when Holyfield gets inside and uses his head and really roughs Wlad up. That will happen rather quickly, and a lot of times it forces fighters out of their comfort zone and makes them fight. Wlad fights really well in his comfort zone, but hes all over the place falling down and looking rough when he gets hit a little. I dont think Brewster landed more than one or two punches the entire fight.

[dado]

yeh ruskull i agree with what you are saying,, but this heavyweight division is not as bad as it seems,, chagaev,, ibragimov,, yes guys like povetkin and solis,, lamon brewster himself, and etc if u look at all the top heavyweights of today, they are not so bad,, and it would be a good achievement to consistantly beat these guys,, but if he was able to beat them very concisively and dominate all of them then i think this is more than enough to propell him into very high ATG status,, ofcourse he does not have wins against legends but these guys are the most solid we have today and the best of our era,, if he was to beat them all he would easily be the best of our era.

[RUSKULL]

yeh ruskull i agree with what you are saying,, but this heavyweight division is not as bad as it seems,, chagaev,, ibragimov,, yes guys like povetkin and solis,, lamon brewster himself, and etc if u look at all the top heavyweights of today, they are not so bad,, and it would be a good achievement to consistantly beat these guys,, but if he was able to beat them very concisively and dominate all of them then i think this is more than enough to propell him into very high ATG status,, ofcourse he does not have wins against legends but these guys are the most solid we have today and the best of our era,, if he was to beat them all he would easily be the best of our era.

Agreed.

[RUSKULL]

Probably not, but noone will. Wlad is that far ahead of th class, but I want to see how he responds when Holyfield gets inside and uses his head and really roughs Wlad up. That will happen rather quickly, and a lot of times it forces fighters out of their comfort zone and makes them fight. Wlad fights really well in his comfort zone, but hes all over the place falling down and looking rough when he gets hit a little. I dont think Brewster landed more than one or two punches the entire fight.

Brewster actually connected with some stiff jabs of his own early & he did some slight body damage too. He aslo hit Wlad in the face with a couple of big shots but I don't think he put enough of them together to make any difference.

I wouldn't mind a Klitschko vs. Holyfield fight, why not?

[Bummy Davis]

Agreed.

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[Bummy Davis]

I think its a dangerous fight for Evander and its a lose, lose fight for Vlad but if Evander gets past a contender not the way he has fought Oquendo or Saverese but a top 15 guy and looks good he can get a shot, I don't think TOS or Gomez deserve a shot, they are fighters who make you look bad but they have not looked good either and the way TOS lost to Byrd was enough of him, unless he beats someone, same with Gomez, I think a unifacation fight vs the winners of the next 2 matchups and the Krasnici/Thompson fight or how about Vlad vs the young, Chambers or Bidenko or Dimentriko...I would be curious to see who is next