Who are currently the best twenty five boxers in the world, ranked 1st to 25th?

[Decebal]

(i.e. from the best in the world, to the 25th best in the world, in descending order)

PLEASE DON'T COMMENT ON OTHERS' LISTS; JUST POST YOUR OWN, IN THIS THREAD! THANK YOU!

[Beeston Brawler]

In no particular order (i'm using numbers to keep track rather than P4P ratings!)

1. Manny Pacquaio
2. Ricky Hatton
3. Floyd Mayweather
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Israel Vasquez
9. Shane Mosley
10. Kelly Pavlik
11. David Haye
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Ivan Calderon
14. Winky Wright
15. Juan Diaz
16. Rafael Marquez
17. Jermain Taylor
18. Chris John
19. Mikkel Kessler
20. Cristian Mijares
21. Oscar De La Hoya
22. Clinton Woods
23. Junior Witter
24. Paul Williams
25. Antonio Margarito

Any glaring misses, please let me know!

[KobeIsGod]

In no particular order (i'm using numbers to keep track rather than P4P ratings!)

1. Manny Pacquaio
2. Ricky Hatton
3. Floyd Mayweather
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Israel Vasquez
9. Shane Mosley
10. Kelly Pavlik
11. David Haye
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Ivan Calderon
14. Winky Wright
15. Juan Diaz
16. Rafael Marquez
17. Jermain Taylor
18. Chris John
19. Mikkel Kessler
20. Cristian Mijares
21. Oscar De La Hoya
22. Clinton Woods
23. Junior Witter
24. Paul Williams
25. Antonio Margarito

Any glaring misses, please let me know!

i kinda like haye, but he needs to prove a lot more to be considered elite. needs more good wins. mormeck wasn't a great champ. he was ok. remember he was already knocked out cold by bell. then in the rematch, mormeck was out on his feet several times having to run the last 3 rounds just to survive. the dude has major stamina issues. a win over macca would be a solid win.

[Decebal]

In no particular order (i'm using numbers to keep track rather than P4P ratings!)

1. Manny Pacquaio
2. Ricky Hatton
3. Floyd Mayweather
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Israel Vasquez
9. Shane Mosley
10. Kelly Pavlik
11. David Haye
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Ivan Calderon
14. Winky Wright
15. Juan Diaz
16. Rafael Marquez
17. Jermain Taylor
18. Chris John
19. Mikkel Kessler
20. Cristian Mijares
21. Oscar De La Hoya
22. Clinton Woods
23. Junior Witter
24. Paul Williams
25. Antonio Margarito

Any glaring misses, please let me know!

You're half way there; now would you rank them 1st best to 25th best, please?

[peter5]

In no particular order (i'm using numbers to keep track rather than P4P ratings!)

1. Manny Pacquaio
2. Ricky Hatton
3. Floyd Mayweather
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Israel Vasquez
9. Shane Mosley
10. Kelly Pavlik
11. David Haye
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Ivan Calderon
14. Winky Wright
15. Juan Diaz
16. Rafael Marquez
17. Jermain Taylor
18. Chris John
19. Mikkel Kessler
20. Cristian Mijares
21. Oscar De La Hoya
22. Clinton Woods
23. Junior Witter
24. Paul Williams
25. Antonio Margarito

Any glaring misses, please let me know!

I like your list mate:good Although I might have made room for Gamboa and Calderon possibly?! Its hard to narrow these things down, you did better than me, so fair play :happy

[BigBone]

In no particular order (i'm using numbers to keep track rather than P4P ratings!)

1. Manny Pacquaio
2. Ricky Hatton
3. Floyd Mayweather
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Israel Vasquez
9. Shane Mosley
10. Kelly Pavlik
11. David Haye
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Ivan Calderon
14. Winky Wright
15. Juan Diaz
16. Rafael Marquez
17. Jermain Taylor
18. Chris John
19. Mikkel Kessler
20. Cristian Mijares
21. Oscar De La Hoya
22. Clinton Woods
23. Junior Witter
24. Paul Williams
25. Antonio Margarito

Any glaring misses, please let me know!
That's a good one. I'd replace Margo to Guzman though - and I'd CONSIDER putting on Abraham, Forrest, maybe Donaire and Linares but who to replace? Maybe Woods, Witter. So your top25 rocks. :thumbsup

[peter5]

That's a good one. I'd replace Margo to Guzman though - and I'd CONSIDER putting on Abraham, Forrest, maybe Donaire and Linares but who to replace? So your top25 rocks. :thumbsup

:good I forgot about Linares, Guzman and Abraham! These things are fucking testing at times!

[TFFP]

1. Joe Calzaghe
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Joan Guzman
6. Israel Vasquez
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Ivan Calderon
9. Juan Diaz
10. Cristian Mijares

- Best boxers. I'll think about the rest later

[Nalian]

top 25 IN order

1. Mayweather - Could lose the spot from fighting DLH again not a legit contender
2. Calzaghe - Could go #1 if he knocks out Hopkins
3. Pac - Im tipping Marquez to beat him
4. Marquez - See above
5. Hopkins - Again, a shock win over Calzaghe and id put him first
6. Cotto - Steamrollered through the ranks including a VERY CLOSE win over Mosley. Expect him to go higher as years go by.
7. Guzman - I think hes better than Pac and Marquez. Could beat them both to go #1
8. Vasquez - Trilogy decider
9. Diaz - Unififed champion.
10. Calderon - THE MAN in 2 divisions. Who else can claim that ?
11. R.Marquez - see Vasquez
12. Mosley - I gave him the edge against Cotto, but could have gone either way
13. Kessler - Impressive in losing to argueably the best fighter of the generation
14. Pavlik - Rematch with Taylor
15. Mijares - Needs to do more to keep ranking
16. Wright
17. Solis
18. Spinks
19. Forrest
20. Taylor
21. Williams
22. Hatton - Dont actually think he's top25 material, but he's only lost once, and thats to the best.
23. Wlad Klit
24. David Haye
25. John



No Abraham - Biggest joke of a champion ever, will never unify the titles or fight outside germany.

No Dawson - Biggest hypjob ever. He might have talent but has never faced anymore than B-level fighters (once) and has a shaky chin at best.

No Gamboa - Aint done enough yet

No De la Hoya - Gonna lose to Mayweather again but theres an arguement to have him in above someone like Hatton

No Linares - Hasnt done enough yet

No Margarito or Cintron - Just outside.

[BigBone]

:good I forgot about Linares, Guzman and Abraham! These things are fucking testing at times!
[Only registered and activated users can see links] what about Dawson?

[Decebal]

top 25 IN order

1. Mayweather
2. Calzaghe
3. Pac
4. Marquez
5. Hopkins
6. Cotto
7. Guzman
8. Vasquez
9. Diaz
10. Calderon
11. R.Marquez
12. Mosley
13. Kessler
14. Pavlik
15. Mijares
16. Wright
17. Solis
18. Spinks
19. Forrest
20. Taylor
21. Williams
22. Hatton
23. Wlad Klit
24. David Haye
25. John

We have our first entry! Thank you!:good

[Beeston Brawler]

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquaio
3. Israel Vasquez
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Miguel Cotto
6. Bernard Hopkins
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Kelly Pavlik
9. Ricky Hatton
10. Ivan Calderon
11. Juan Diaz
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Winky Wright
14. Shane Mosley
15. Chris John
16. David Haye
17. Rafael Marquez
18. Mikkel Kessler
19. Jermain Taylor
20. Cristian Mijares
21. Oscar De La Hoya
22. Clinton Woods
23. Junior Witter
24. Paul Williams
25. Antonio Margarito

Thats my list rejigged - same names though - thanks guys for your suggestions.

[Decebal]

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquaio
3. Israel Vasquez
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Miguel Cotto
6. Bernard Hopkins
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Kelly Pavlik
9. Ricky Hatton
10. Ivan Calderon
11. Juan Diaz
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Winky Wright
14. Shane Mosley
15. Chris John
16. David Haye
17. Rafael Marquez
18. Mikkel Kessler
19. Jermain Taylor
20. Cristian Mijares
21. Oscar De La Hoya
22. Clinton Woods
23. Junior Witter
24. Paul Williams
25. Antonio Margarito

Thats my list rejigged - same names though - thanks guys for your suggestions.

Thanks!:good

[Fedor Em]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Bernard Hopkins
7. Israel Vasquez
8. Juan Diaz
9. Rafael Marquez
10. Ivan Calderon
11. Kelly Pavlik
12. Shane Mosley
13. Juan Guzman
14. Ricky Hatton
15. Cristian Mijares
16. David Haye
17. Wladamir Klitschko
18. Mikkel Kessler
19. Jermain Taylor
20. Martin Castillo
21. Nonito Doniare
22. Chad Dawson
23. Arthur Abraham
24. Paul Williams
25. Oscar De La Hoya

*edit* forgot Winky, between 10-15 for me, Chris John between 15-20 also

[Brickhaus]

Best boxers RIGHT NOW, not top ranked (i.e. not necessarily based on who's beaten who, and I'm looking at the moment, not in the past or the future),

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Ivan Calderon
3. Rafeal Marquez
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Israel Vasquez
6. Juan Diaz
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Chris John
9. Juan Manuel Marquez
10. Miguel Cotto
11. Paul Williams
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Kelly Pavlik
14. Christian Mijares
15. Hozumi Hasegawa
16. Junior Witter
17. Joan Guzman
18. Ricky Hatton
19. Shane Mosley
20. Chad Dawson
21. David Haye
22. Alexander Munoz
23. Fernando Montiel
24. Arthur Abraham
25. Steven Luevano


Just missing: Jermain Taylor, Nonito Donaire, Celestino Caballero, Cory Spinks, Lucian Bute

Might have forgotten a few as well. Gamboa doesn't qualify yet, IMO, because one thing you NEED to do to be a great boxer is go 12 rounds, and he hasn't come close to proving that yet.

On Calderon so high - the only reason he's not a top 3 guy is because he doesn't have the quality of opposition to face. On pure boxing skill, he's way up there. Same goes for Hasegawa and Munoz.

On Pac so low - he seems to be fading in my eyes, and he's well past his best weight. He's much more vulnerable now than he was a few years ago. Yes, he's a better pure boxer now, but it's not his pure boxing that gets him ranked highly, and he's still a worse pure boxer than most of the guys under him.

[Decebal]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Bernard Hopkins
7. Israel Vasquez
8. Juan Diaz
9. Rafael Marquez
10. Ivan Calderon
11. Kelly Pavlik
12. Shane Mosley
13. Juan Guzman
14. Ricky Hatton
15. Cristian Mijares
16. David Haye
17. Wladamir Klitschko
18. Mikkel Kessler
19. Jermain Taylor
20. Martin Castillo
21. Nonito Doniare
22. Chad Dawson
23. Arthur Abraham
24. Paul Williams
25. Oscar De La Hoya

*edit* forgot Winky, between 10-15 for me, Chris John between 15-20 also

So...Williams and DLH miss out! Gotcha!:good

[Decebal]

Best boxers RIGHT NOW, not top ranked (i.e. not necessarily based on who's beaten who, and I'm looking at the moment, not in the past or the future),

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Ivan Calderon
3. Rafeal Marquez
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Israel Vasquez
6. Juan Diaz
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Chris John
9. Juan Manuel Marquez
10. Miguel Cotto
11. Paul Williams
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Kelly Pavlik
14. Christian Mijares
15. Hozumi Hasegawa
16. Junior Witter
17. Joan Guzman
18. Ricky Hatton
19. Shane Mosley
20. Chad Dawson
21. David Haye
22. Alexander Munoz
23. Fernando Montiel
24. Arthur Abraham
25. Steven Luevano


Just missing: Jermain Taylor, Nonito Donaire, Celestino Caballero, Cory Spinks, Lucian Bute

Might have forgotten a few as well. Gamboa doesn't qualify yet, IMO, because one thing you NEED to do to be a great boxer is go 12 rounds, and he hasn't come close to proving that yet.

On Calderon so high - the only reason he's not a top 3 guy is because he doesn't have the quality of opposition to face. On pure boxing skill, he's way up there. Same goes for Hasegawa and Munoz.

On Pac so low - he seems to be fading in my eyes, and he's well past his best weight. He's much more vulnerable now than he was a few years ago. Yes, he's a better pure boxer now, but it's not his pure boxing that gets him ranked highly, and he's still a worse pure boxer than most of the guys under him.

Great stuff!:happy

[mike464]

I'll probably miss a few guys out but here:

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. J M Marquez
4. Hopkins
5. Cotto
6. Hatton
7. Juan Diaz
8. Calzaghe
9. Pavlik
10. Vazquez
11. Wright
12. Mosley
13. Calderon
14. R Marquez
15. Forrest
16. Taylor
17. Dawson
18. Casamayor
19. Witter
20. Williams
21. Guzman
22. Spinks
23. Haye
24. C John
25. Abraham

[Decebal]

I'll probably miss a few guys out but here:

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. J M Marquez
4. Hopkins
5. Cotto
6. Hatton
7. Juan Diaz
8. Calzaghe
9. Pavlik
10. Vazquez
11. Wright
12. Mosley
13. Calderon
14. R Marquez
15. Forrest
16. Taylor
17. Dawson
18. Casamayor
19. Witter
20. Williams
21. Guzman
22. Spinks
23. Haye
24. C John
25. Abraham

:good

[TFFP]

1. Joe Calzaghe
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Joan Guzman
6. Israel Vasquez
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Ivan Calderon
9. Juan Diaz
10. Cristian Mijares
11. Rafael Marquez
12. Mikkel Kessler
13. David Haye
14. Chad Dawson
15. Wladimir Klitschko
16. Kelly Pavlik
17. Vernon Forrest
18. Paul Williams
19. Junior Witter
20. Shane Mosley
21. Bernard Hopkins
22. Arthur Abraham
23. Alexander Povetkin
24. Winky-Wright
25. Nonito Donaire

Since criteria was not specified, my first criteria was the level I think they are performing at. Secondly, boxing ability

[BigBone]

Decebal, why are you commenting on every list if it is you who said in the first post not to comment on them? :huh

[Decebal]

Decebal, why are you commenting on every list if it is you who said in the first post not to comment on them? :huh

To thank everyone for posting their list!:good

[Decebal]

1. Joe Calzaghe
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Joan Guzman
6. Israel Vasquez
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Ivan Calderon
9. Juan Diaz
10. Cristian Mijares
11. Rafael Marquez
12. Mikkel Kessler
13. David Haye
14. Chad Dawson
15. Wladimir Klitschko
16. Kelly Pavlik
17. Vernon Forrest
18. Paul Williams
19. Junior Witter
20. Shane Mosley
21. Bernard Hopkins
22. Arthur Abraham
23. Alexander Povetkin
24. Winky-Wright
25. Nonito Donaire

Since criteria was not specified, my first criteria was the level I think they are performing at. Secondly, boxing ability

Thank you!:good

[Decebal]

Lest I should upset anyone else for continuing to thank posters for their lists, let me thank everyone who will have posted a list in this thread in advance. Thank you!:good

[albeziel]

1. Floyd Mayweather (39-0 25)
2. Manny Pacquiao (45-3 35)
3. Bernard Hopkins (48-4 32)
4. Joe Calzaghe (44-0 32)
5. Juan Manuel Marquez (48-3 35)
6. Kelly Pavlik (32-0 29)
7. Miguel Cotto (31-0 25)
8. Juan Diaz (33-0 17)
9. Ivan Calderon (30-0 6) (great/perfect boxer)
10. Israel Vazquez (42-4 31)
11. Ricky Hatton (43-1 31)
12. Winky Wright (51-4 25)
13. Mikkel Kessler (39-1 29)
14. Rafael Marquez (37-4 33)
15. Jermain Taylor (27-1 17)
16. Sugar Shane Mosley (44-5 37)
17. Wladimir Klitschko (49-3 44)
18. Paul Williams (33-0 24)
19. Vernon Forrest (40-2 29)
20. Arthur Abraham (25-0 20)
21. Lucian Bute (21-0 17)
22. Joan Guzman (28-0 17)
23. Chad Dawson (25-0 17)
24. Antonio Margarito (35-5 25)
25. Kermit Cintron (29-1 27)

Not easy

[mike464]

Keep in mind that you should never rank Heavyweights on a pound for pound list as it defeats the purpose (in theory, the HW Champ would beat everybody on this list in a head to head fight). The whole point of a P4P list is that you can rank heavyweights against the lower weights. It just happens that all the heavyweights at the moment are rubbish.

[BigBone]

1. PBF
2. BHop
3. JC
4. Pacman
5. JMM
6. Vazquez
7. Winky
8. Cotto
9. Ghost
10. Rafa/Ricky

The rest, not in order:
Diaz
Taylor
Mijares
Calderon
Bad Chad
Guzman
Mikkel
Forrest
Shane
Oscar
Filippino Flash
Wlad
John
Abraham
Haye
Williams

Future (potential) superstars:
Linares
Gamboa
K. Kameda
Barthelemy
Khan

[pirlo]

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Juan Diaz
6. Paul Williams
7. Rafael Marquez
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Joe Calzaghe
10. Winky Wright
11. Arthur Abraham
12. Kelly Pavlik
13. Jermain Taylor
14. Israel Vazquez
15. Chad Dawson
16. Joan Guzman
17. Junior Witter
18. David Haye
19. Christian Mijares
20. Ivan Calderon
21. Yuriokis Gamboa
22. Ricky Hatton
23. Michael Katsidis
24. Cory Spinks
25. Oscar de la Hoya

[Amsterdam]

I'll probably miss a few guys out but here:

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. J M Marquez
4. Hopkins
5. Cotto
6. Hatton
7. Juan Diaz
8. Calzaghe
9. Pavlik
10. Vazquez
11. Wright
12. Mosley
13. Calderon
14. R Marquez
15. Forrest
16. Taylor
17. Dawson
18. Casamayor
19. Witter
20. Williams
21. Guzman
22. Spinks
23. Haye
24. C John
25. Abraham

:lol:

Hatton STILL above Calzaghe? Damn you Hatton fans are jokes.:yep

[michael 901]

I'll probably miss a few guys out but here:

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. J M Marquez
4. Hopkins
5. Cotto
6. Hatton
7. Juan Diaz
8. Calzaghe
9. Pavlik
10. Vazquez
11. Wright
12. Mosley
13. Calderon
14. R Marquez
15. Forrest
16. Taylor
17. Dawson
18. Casamayor
19. Witter
20. Williams
21. Guzman
22. Spinks
23. Haye
24. C John
25. Abraham
yank casamayor from the list everyone says he lost 10 rounds against santa cruz.In fact casamayor would not be in my top 50.

[boxeo#1]

1 Mayweather
2 Calzaghe
3 Hopkins
4 Calderon
5 Juan Diaz
6 Taylor
7 Pavlik
8 Haye
9 Pacquiao
10 Wright
11 JMM
12 Mosley
13 Cotto
14 Wlad
15 Judah
16 AA
17 Vasquez
18 R. marquez
19 Mijares
20 C. Caballero
21 Guzman
22 Spinks
23 Donaire
24 Gamboa
25 P.Williams

:think :lol: what a job putting this together. What do you give me for the effort:lol: maybe I made huge mistakes but ah what the hell

[Pimp C]

1.PBF
2.Pac
3.Hopkins
4.Calzaghe
5.JMM
6.Cotto
7.Winky
8.Calderon
9.Vasquez
10.Dawson
11.J.Diaz
12.Pavlik
13.Wlad
14.Hatton
15.Taylor
16.Mosley
17.Spinks
18.R.Marquez
19.Paul Williams
20.Guzman
21.Haye
22.Abraham
23.Witter
24.Kessler
25.Forrest

[randeris]

1. Mayweather
2. Calzaghe
3. Pacquiao
4. Cotto
5. Juan Diaz
6. Kelly Pavlik
7. Israel Vasquez
8. Wladimir Klitschko
9. Rafael Marquez
10. Bernard Hopkins
11. JMM
12. Joan Guzman
13. Mikkel Kessler
14. Ricky Hatton
15. Ivan Calderon

Gimme some time for the rest. Please tell me what you think.

[randeris]

1 Mayweather
2 Calzaghe
3 Hopkins
4 Calderon
5 Juan Diaz
6 Taylor
7 Pavlik
8 Haye
9 Pacquiao
10 Wright
11 P. Williams
12 Mosley
13 Cotto
14 Wlad
15 Judah
16 AA
17 Vasquez
18 R. marquez
19 Mijares
20 C. Caballero
21 Guzman
22 Spinks
23 Donaire
24 Gamboa
25 P.Williams

:think :lol: what a job putting this together. What do you give me for the effort:lol: maybe I made huge mistakes but ah what the hell

I dont like him myself, but arent you missing JMM?

[boxeo#1]

I dont like him myself, but arent you missing JMM?

yeah I noticed and I replaced him for williams.
What you don't like?:p

[boxeo#1]

:lol:

Hatton STILL above Calzaghe? Damn you Hatton fans are jokes.:yep

ur v-cash ..:shock:
:lol:

[FRKO]

1: Joe Calzaghe
2: Joe Calzaghe
3: Joe Calzaghe
4: Joe Calzaghe
5: Joe Calzaghe
6: Joe Calzaghe
7: Joe Calzaghe
8: Joe Calzaghe
9: Joe Calzaghe
10: Joe Calzaghe
11: Joe Calzaghe
12: Joe Calzaghe
13: Joe Calzaghe
14: Joe Calzaghe
15: Joe Calzaghe
16: Joe Calzaghe
17: Joe Calzaghe
18: Joe Calzaghe
19: Joe Calzaghe
20: Joe Calzaghe
21: Joe Calzaghe
22: Joe Calzaghe
23: Joe Calzaghe
24: Joe Calzaghe
25: Lennox Lewis

[randeris]

yeah I noticed and I replaced him for williams.
What you don't like?:p I dont like JMM. :p

[mike464]

:lol:

Hatton STILL above Calzaghe? Damn you Hatton fans are jokes.:yepI'm anything but a fan of either Calzaghe or Hatton.

[LiamE]

I'm anything but a fan of either Calzaghe or Hatton.

Or boxing it would seem.

[Larson]

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Joe Calzaghe
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Israel Vazquez
8. Rafael Marquez
9. Juan Diaz
10. Joan Guzman
11. Kelly Pavlik
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Shane Mosley
14. Mikkel Kessler
15. Ivan Calderon
16. Jr. Witter
17. Chris John
18. Cristian Mijares
19. Arthur Abraham
20. David Haye
21. Winky Wright
22. Jermain Taylor
23. Nonito Donaire
24. Chad Dawson
25. Ricky Hatton

*Forgot about PWilliams and Spinks

[joe the great]

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Paquito
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Joe Clazaghe
5. Ricky Hatton
6. Bernard Hopkins
7. Wlad Klitschko
8. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Israel Vasquez
9. Ronald Wright
10. Kelly Pavlik
11. Shane Mosely
12. David Haye
13. Ivan Calderon
14. Paul Williams
15. Juan Diaz
16. Rafael Marquez
17. Jermain Taylor
18. Chris John
19. Mikkel Kessler
20. Cristian Mijares
21. Oscar De La Hoya
22. Clinton Woods
23. Junior Witter
24. Antonio Margari
25. Kermit Cintron
26. Chad Dawson
27. Corey Spinks
28. Arthur Abraham
29. Sultan Ibragimov
30. Zab Judah

[mike464]

Or boxing it would seem.What makes you say that?

[Decebal]

Would it be possible to have more lists and fewer commentaries/debates? Thank you!:good

[C HOP]

1.Flyod Mayweather
2.Joe Calzaghe
3.Manny Pacquio
4.Miguel Cotto
5.Juan Diaz
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Israel Vasquez
8.Bernard Hopkins
9.Kelly Pavlik
10.Rafeal Marquez
11.joan Guzman
12.Shane Mosley
13.Jermain Taylor
14.Ricky Hatton
15.Chris John
16.David HAye
17.Arthur Abraham
18.Chad Dawson
19.Mikkel Kessler
20.Wlad Klitschko
21.Nikoli Valuev
22.CLinton Woods
23.Anotnio Tarver
24.ROY JONES JR
25.Zab Judah

yes i do belive roy jones deserves to be in the top 25

i notice im the only person to put him in!

[Tom_Tocca]

1.Flyod Mayweather
2.Joe Calzaghe
3.Manny Pacquio
4.Miguel Cotto
5.Juan Diaz
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Israel Vasquez
8.Rafeal Marquez
9.Kelly Pavlik
10.Wlad Klitsickho
11.joan Guzman
12.Shane Mosley
13.Jermain Taylor
14.Ricky Hatton
15.Chris John
16.David HAye
17.Arthur Abraham
18.Chad Dawson
19.Mikkel Kessler
20.Enzo Maccarenlli
21.Nikoli Valuev
22.CLinton Woods
23.Anotnio Tarver
24.ROY JONES JR
25.Zab Judah

yes i do belive roy jones deserves to be in the top 25

i notice im the only person to put him in!

Where's Hopkins? And wtf, why is Valuev in your top 25???

[Decebal]

Where's Hopkins? And wtf, why is Valuev in your top 25???

PLEASE DON'T COMMENT ON OTHERS' LISTS; JUST POST YOUR OWN, IN THIS THREAD! THANK YOU!:deal :deal :deal

[randeris]

Would it be possible to have more lists and fewer commentaries/debates? Thank you!:goodThen what's the fun of the thread?

[C HOP]

Where's Hopkins? And wtf, why is Valuev in your top 25???

ahh a forgot all about hopkins there i have changed it!

n Valuev is in there because of a 46 winning streak and a follow of impressive KOs , Valuev is so underrated as a boxer he uses his size to alot of his advantage he really is a athlete in the ring, he deserved to of won that fight with Ruslan Chagaev and he won a points decision against an impressive undefeated jean francis bergeron! n i never added Chargrev in becuase a win over matt skelton is not really a credible win! and i belive he hasnt accomplished much were as valuev has had again a impressive record with some good kos in there!

[randeris]

ahh a forgot all about hopkins there i have changed it!

n Valuev is in there because of a 46 winning streak and a follow of impressive KOs , Valuev is so underrated as a boxer he uses his size to alot of his advantage he really is a athlete in the ring, he deserved to of won that fight with Ruslan Chagaev and he won a points decision against an impressive undefeated jean francis bergeron! n i never added Chargrev in becuase a win over matt skelton is not really a credible win! and i belive he hasnt accomplished much were as valuev has had again a impressive record with some good kos in there!

it pound for pound, meaning that size should not play a part in it.

[saul_ir34]

In no particular order (i'm using numbers to keep track rather than P4P ratings!)

1. Manny Pacquaio
2. Ricky Hatton
3. Floyd Mayweather
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Israel Vasquez
9. Shane Mosley
10. Kelly Pavlik
11. David Haye
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Ivan Calderon
14. Winky Wright
15. Juan Diaz
16. Rafael Marquez
17. Jermain Taylor
18. Chris John
19. Mikkel Kessler
20. Cristian Mijares
21. Oscar De La Hoya
22. Clinton Woods
23. Junior Witter
24. Paul Williams
25. Antonio Margarito

Any glaring misses, please let me know!

There is no way Hatton is number 2.
He wasnt even top 5 before he fought Mayweather and he got completely dominated. How could he go up after losing.

[C HOP]

it pound for pound, meaning that size should not play a part in it.

i did not mention his size! i said he uses his size in his fights as way of dominating the ring! i put him in the top 25 becuase i belive he is one of the best out there!

He also had a terrific record and just won a unanomis points decison over undefeated jean francis bergeron

[randeris]

i did not mention his size! i said he uses his size in his fights as way of dominating the ring! i put him in the top 25 becuase i belive he is one of the best out there!

He also had a terrific record and just won a unanomis points decison over undefeated jean francis bergeron Well you did mention his size, just read the post?.

Anyway, so you are saying that if Valuev was not so big he'd still have the winning streak and would still be as good? I sure don't think so.

[randeris]

There is no way Hatton is number 2.
He wasnt even top 5 before he fought Mayweather and he got completely dominated. How could he go up after losing.

he says it is in no particular order.

[C HOP]

Well you did mention his size, just read the post?.

Anyway, so you are saying that if Valuev was not so big he'd still have the winning streak and would still be as good? I sure don't think so.

ofcourse he wouldnt be! but saying if Valuev wasnt so big then he wouldnt be so good is quite similar to these!

if you take away joe calzaghes work rate would he be still good?

if you took away flyod mayweathers jab would he still be good?

if you took away kelly pavliks power would he still be good?

its quite crazy to contridict something which you have already mentioned becuase he does have size! while were on the subject of what if how bout these

what if ricky beat mayweather
what if Tyson wasnt born
what if hitler ruled the world
what if a great boxing trainer trained screech of saved by the bell!

[randeris]

ofcourse he wouldnt be! but saying if Valuev wasnt so big then he wouldnt be so good is quite similar to these!

if you take away joe calzaghes work rate would he be still good?

if you took away flyod mayweathers jab would he still be good?

if you took away kelly pavliks power would he still be good?

its quite crazy to contridict something which you have already mentioned becuase he does have size! while were on the subject of what if how bout these

what if ricky beat mayweather
what if Tyson wasnt born
what if hitler ruled the world
what if a great boxing trainer trained screech of saved by the bell! It is just nothing like it. It's pound for pound man! A jab is a jab.

Sure if he used his size to the fullest of his advantage and beat the opponents, he deserves it. But then why is Chagaev not there? He outboxed Valuev, who had the favour in size, weight, reach and experience. If he had beaten Chagaev, then yeah sure, because that would be using the size accordingly, but he did not?

[C HOP]

It is just nothing like it. It's pound for pound man! A jab is a jab.

Sure if he used his size to the fullest of his advantage and beat the opponents, he deserves it. But then why is Chagaev not there? He outboxed Valuev, who had the favour in size, weight, reach and experience. If he had beaten Chagaev, then yeah sure, because that would be using the size accordingly, but he did not?

he does not deserve to be there a win over matt skeleton doesnt clarify to be in the top 25!Valuev had a teriific record of 46 wins unbeaten n he just won a great fight over jean bergeron who was a good fighter but valuev dominated him! which for me clariffys to be in my top twenty! im sorry if ya dont agree with me!

[Shadowbox39]

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquio
3.Miguel Cotto
4.Joe Calzagne
5.Juan Diaz
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Israel Vasquez
8.Kelly Pavlik
9.Winky Wright
10.Shane Mosley
11.Oscar Dela Hoya
12.Paul Williams
13.Ricky Hatton
14.Jermaine Taylor
15.Vernon Forrest
16.Arthur Abraham
17.Chad Dawson
18.Mikkel Kessler
19.David Haye
20.Michael Kastidas
21.CLinton Woods
22.Anotnio Tarver
23.Roy Jones Jr.
24.Benard Hopkins (extremely overated)
25.Antonio Margarito

[Decebal]

Then what's the fun of the thread?

Because if people don't post their own list, they end up just criticising the first couple of lists...pointless...when they could just say: here's what I think - here's my list:good

[Dojo]

Best boxers RIGHT NOW, not top ranked (i.e. not necessarily based on who's beaten who, and I'm looking at the moment, not in the past or the future),

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Ivan Calderon
3. Rafeal Marquez
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Israel Vasquez
6. Juan Diaz
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Chris John
9. Juan Manuel Marquez
10. Miguel Cotto
11. Paul Williams
12. Wladimir Klitschko
13. Kelly Pavlik
14. Christian Mijares
15. Hozumi Hasegawa
16. Junior Witter
17. Joan Guzman
18. Ricky Hatton
19. Shane Mosley
20. Chad Dawson
21. David Haye
22. Alexander Munoz
23. Fernando Montiel
24. Arthur Abraham
25. Steven Luevano


Just missing: Jermain Taylor, Nonito Donaire, Celestino Caballero, Cory Spinks, Lucian Bute

Might have forgotten a few as well. Gamboa doesn't qualify yet, IMO, because one thing you NEED to do to be a great boxer is go 12 rounds, and he hasn't come close to proving that yet.

On Calderon so high - the only reason he's not a top 3 guy is because he doesn't have the quality of opposition to face. On pure boxing skill, he's way up there. Same goes for Hasegawa and Munoz.

On Pac so low - he seems to be fading in my eyes, and he's well past his best weight. He's much more vulnerable now than he was a few years ago. Yes, he's a better pure boxer now, but it's not his pure boxing that gets him ranked highly, and he's still a worse pure boxer than most of the guys under him.

Bute just missing? Who has he beaten to get into the top 50, let alone 25-30? Apart from that, good list.

[Decebal]

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