Cunningham vs. Haye

[BigReg]

Fight for the undisputed CW championship. Who takes it?

[196osh]

David Haye KO.

[Cobbler]

Haye easily.

Cunningham lacks power, so he wouldn't even have a puncher's chance. Haye would outbox him, out work him and then knock him out.

[jc]

:nono

Its actually David Haye Vs. Steve Cunningham!

Haye by KO.

And for the record Haye is undisputed champion with or without Steve Cunningham.:bart

[BigReg]

:nono

Its actually David Haye Vs. Steve Cunningham!

Haye by KO.

And for the record Haye is undisputed champion with or without Steve Cunningham.:bart

Sorry, he's not undisputed without the IBF strap.

[Steve Fox]

:nono

Its actually David Haye Vs. Steve Cunningham!

Haye by KO.

And for the record Haye is undisputed champion with or without Steve Cunningham.:bartHaye is not undisputed, he's linear.

[jc]

:verysad

i like the way to words that are meant to mean the same thing have been separated.

Undisputed titles cant be stripped.

[KO Boxing]

I'd go with Haye for the moment, but it certainly wouldn't be easy...

And Haye ain't undisputed until he fights Cunningham.

[Axe]

I may be in the minority here, but I see Steve as the sharper boxer and the better athlete. He also has pretty decent power, though I don't think Haye would be stopped, unless it was late in the fight.

Cunningham by UD over Haye.

[jc]

Undisputed titles cant be stripped. :bart

[Axe]

Undisputed titles cant be stripped. :bart

Haye is linear mate, that's all that really matters imo. :good

[KO Boxing]

I may be in the minority here, but I see Steve as the sharper boxer and the better athlete. He also has pretty decent power, though I don't think Haye would be stopped, unless it was late in the fight.

Cunningham by UD over Haye.
See I find this interesting. I've definately seen more of Haye then I have of Cunningham, and from what I have seen of Haye, he has been fairly impressive (although sometimes unimpressive, even in some of his wins). But from the little I've seen of Cunningham, I'd agree that he is definately the sharper boxer. Which could prove to be a problem for Haye.

But would he have enough power to keep Haye off him for a whole 12 rounds? And how is his chin; would it be able to hold up to Haye's shots if he did catch up to him?

[KO Boxing]

Undisputed titles cant be stripped. :bart
Yeah, as Axe says, Haye beat the man who beat the man... so he's the champ. Nothing else to it.

BUT

With ALL these sanctioning bodies going around, as Cunningham holds an official WORLD title, I'm sure at least HE disputes Haye's claim to UNdisputed champ. :p

[randeris]

I saw Cunningham v Huck and i was very impressed. Huck is a great brawler, but was just outboxed for twelve rounds as he danced aroung, flicking the jab, going in with sharp combinations. Haye might be his match though. I see it very close, but if i'm gonna predict, i'd say:

Steve Cunningham SD David Haye

[jc]

I think we should all use a lil bit more intelligence and go back to calling linear and undisputed champ the same thing, which in essence they are.

Lennox was still undisputed champ with ro without byrd and Ruiz holding belts, tszyu was undisputed whether or not the WBC abd WBA took his belts away, and Pavlik is still undisputed champ even though he only holds the WBC and WBO...

haye is Undisputedly the Champion.:(

[Axe]

See I find this interesting. I've definately seen more of Haye then I have of Cunningham, and from what I have seen of Haye, he has been fairly impressive (although sometimes unimpressive, even in some of his wins). But from the little I've seen of Cunningham, I'd agree that he is definately the sharper boxer. Which could prove to be a problem for Haye.

But would he have enough power to keep Haye off him for a whole 12 rounds? And how is his chin; would it be able to hold up to Haye's shots if he did catch up to him?

Cunningham has a solid chin, it's been tested by the likes of Wlodarczyk, Davis, and Huck (what little he could land).

His power is very underrated due to his high level of competition, but it takes very good power to keep Haye off of you, so that would be the biggest question mark for me in this matchup.

Like you said Cunningham has the edge in boxing skills, but to me the biggest difference in this fight would be stamina. Haye's has never been world class whereas Cunningham can go the full twelve and then some, while carrying his power into the final rounds, as we saw against Huck.

[KO Boxing]

I think we should all use a lil bit more intelligence and go back to calling linear and undisputed champ the same thing, which in essence they are.

Lennox was still undisputed champ with ro without byrd and Ruiz holding belts, tszyu was undisputed whether or not the WBC abd WBA took his belts away, and Pavlik is still undisputed champ even though he only holds the WBC and WBO...

haye is Undisputedly the Champion.:(
That's fair. And I ain't going to argue, cause in a way I agree. Haye's the champ at cruiserweight. But I will offer this ONE difference. Lennox Lewis and Kostya Tszyu both WON the undsiputed title (which by defintion, was at that time, holding ALL three belts - WBC, WBA, IBF [now the WBO maybe included, not sure])... Then due to them not being able to complete all their mandatories, they were stripped of their titles.

Haye on the other hand, won the UNIFIED (WBC, WBA) title of Mormeck, who although was previously an undisputed champion, it was HE who was stripped, not Haye.

And I reckon Cunningham makes a pretty good dispute to the undisputed claim of Haye (although I tipped Haye, don't get me wrong. Not 100% sure though... Admittably, cruiserweights haven't normally been my thing, but slowly, my interest is rising).

[KO Boxing]

Cunningham has a solid chin, it's been tested by the likes of Wlodarczyk, Davis, and Huck (what little he could land).

His power is very underrated due to his high level of competition, but it takes very good power to keep Haye off of you, so that would be the biggest question mark for me in this matchup.

Like you said Cunningham has the edge in boxing skills, but to me the biggest difference in this fight would be stamina. Haye's has never been world class whereas Cunningham can go the full twelve and then some, while carrying his power into the final rounds, as we saw against Huck.
:good Cheers mate. To be honest, I hadn't really factored in stamina, but when I think about it, your right. I probably don't see Haye winning a decision, especially if he fades late. And if Cunningham does have a good chin, and Haye didn't get him out of there, obviously his chances to win increase.

Interesting for someone who hasn't seen a lot of Cunningham to get the whole competition as a reason for his low KO rate. All I really have to go by is his "paper", where his KO ratio doesn't seem that great. But as you say, fighting good opposition will usually reduce the KO ratio.

Well it's official now. I wanna see Haye vs Cunningham! :D

[jc]

That's fair. And I ain't going to argue, cause in a way I agree. Haye's the champ at cruiserweight. But I will offer this ONE difference. Lennox Lewis and Kostya Tszyu both WON the undsiputed title (which by defintion, was at that time, holding ALL three belts - WBC, WBA, IBF [now the WBO maybe included, not sure])... Then due to them not being able to complete all their mandatories, they were stripped of their titles.

Haye on the other hand, won the UNIFIED (WBC, WBA) title of Mormeck, who although was previously an undisputed champion, it was HE who was stripped, not Haye.

And I reckon Cunningham makes a pretty good dispute to the undisputed claim of Haye (although I tipped Haye, don't get me wrong. Not 100% sure though... Admittably, cruiserweights haven't normally been my thing, but slowly, my interest is rising).

Cunnighams belt doesnt 'dispute' that Haye is THE Champion, it merely puts himself forward as a legitamate possible challenger.

[KO Boxing]

Cunnighams belt doesnt 'dispute' that Haye is THE Champion, it merely puts himself forward as a legitamate possible challenger.
That IS certainly one way to look at it.

And I have said in this very thread, "Haye is the Cruiserweight champion, nothing else to it"...

But I personally believe there is a slight difference to being the cruiserweight champion, and the undsiputed cruiserweight champion...

Although it really doesn't matter. I am agreeing with you in a way, just have a slightly different outlook on the whole "undisputed/unified/linear" thing than you do (I think).

But again. Haye IS the cruiserweight champ. :deal :thumbsup