Boxing and olympics?

[AK-47]

Im 16 gonna be 17 in october
So if i started boxing properly and was t ruly commited and had talent
you think its possible for me to get into the olympics in 2012/2016?

[skellington]

Join a gym and see how you go.

[Zhaakal]

why not. Though i wouldn't advise you to go to the 2016 Olympics if you would want to turn pro after your amateur days.

[Relentless]

why not. Though i wouldn't advise you to go to the 2016 Olympics if you would want to turn pro after your amateur days.

why not?

[Zhaakal]

why not?

In my opinion. If he turned pro after the 2016 Olympics, he would be probably in his peak and he would waste his peak years fighting nobodys to get his name up there. If he would turn pro after the 2012 Olympics, he would already have a name in 2016 and be in his prime to face the other big name opponents.

I hope you understood what i said lol :nut

[amy]

I would set a smaller more reachable goal at the moment.

[Relentless]

In my opinion. If he turned pro after the 2016 Olympics, he would be probably in his peak and he would waste his peak years fighting nobodys to get his name up there. If he would turn pro after the 2012 Olympics, he would already have a name in 2016 and be in his prime to face the other big name opponents.

I hope you understood what i said lol :nut

not everyone is the same, lennox lewis turned pro at 25, he seemed to have done alright, audly harrison at 28 although his career was shit he still made a shot load of money.

[avk47]

I would set a smaller more reachable goal at the moment.

:good

[ralphc]

Im 16 gonna be 17 in october
So if i started boxing properly and was t ruly commited and had talent
you think its possible for me to get into the olympics in 2012/2016?



It will be tough to get there and even tougher to win a medal. The end result depends on how much talent you were born with and how badly you want to win.

[Zhaakal]

It will be tough to get there and even tougher to win a medal. The end result depends on how much talent you were born with and how badly you want to win.

And how hard you have trained.

[Primadonna Kool]

Yes it is very possible.

[amy]

Yes it is very possible.

Actually, it's not.

[AK-47]

I would set a smaller more reachable goal at the moment.

Short term goal :- Start training and conditioning and get in the ring

Medium term :- Go for the olympics

Long term :- Become a pro boxer

You dont know how bad i want this

[amy]

Short term goal :- Start training and conditioning and get in the ring

Medium term :- Go for the olympics

Long term :- Become a pro boxer

You dont know how bad i want this

If you wanted it that bad you would have been in a gym a long time ago.
No offense, I admire your drive and positive attitude- that is a good thing and will really help you. But you also have to be realistic. The guys at the top level are extremely experienced and very talented. Most have already been boxing for near ten years by the time they are at the age you are at.

There is a lot more to getting there than just heart. You have a long way to go and a very short time to do it. You need to:

1. Join a gym. Is there one in your area? How often do they accept new boxers, there could very well be a waiting list. (at my gym there is a three month wait)

2. Learn the basics and get in shape. (Depending on your coach this could take 6-8 months or more)

3. Get your first fight. (could take up to a year after joining a gym)

To compete at US Nationals (which is just one of the qualifiers for the Olympic team) you have to advance past your LBC and regionals first. To comepte on the LBC level you first have to have five bouts to even enter. (that could take another year, depending on the activity in your area)

Assuming you have five bouts by the time your LBC and regionals comes around. Which, by the way won't happen until this time next year as LBC tournament have already taken place and regionals are in two weeks. You have to win, and who knows you could face some of these upper level guys depending on your weight class and where you live.

Then you have to make it through regionals and on to US Nationals. And that's just nationals, not the trials or worlds and all those other tournaments.

So you are looking at almost two years from now until you can get to Nationals and that's if you join a gym today.

I'm not saying it can't be done, it can and it has been done. But setting a more realistic goal of A: joining a gym and trainign hard for your first fight is something you can acheive. Setting the goal of: Join a gym, get a fight, make the Olympic team is extremely unrealistic and naive. And it's only setting you up for disappointment.

One step at a time. Good luck to you.

[joekirkbycobra]

biting off a bit much ther jus try to be the best you can

[avk47]

basically u need to fight and start fighting soon and keep fighting. one thing amy said about how it could be a year after u join the gym til u fight, if that is true u have absolutely no hope to become a real fighter tho. some people are fighters some aint. but if u can get a fight after 8 weeks of training than things are lookin promising, and its not necesarily about your results at such low levels, but about how u carry yourself and in the ring, remember that. b ut if u arent talented enough to fight in 3 or 4 months u just aint a fighter, whether u are or aint wont define u tho, just be honest with yourself and other, dont advertise urself as a boxer til you get in there and do it and dont call urself a fighter til u repeatedly prove urself

I disagree.

Some areas just don't have much activity. Say you're a heavy guy for your age when you're a teen, and however good you are, they just can't match you...
Some guys develop slowly. I've seen people who were pretty shit, lost their first fights, and then after a while it suddenly clicked and they became very good... it takes all kinds mate. If the guy isn't ready to fight cause he just doesn't have the fighters character, then probably he will never have it. Then I agree with you. However, if you have the heart and drive, but are maybe slow to learn the skills, doesn't mean you will fail if you're not ready after 3-4 months.
You can throw in a raw novice with another raw novice in 3-4 months. However, I've seen guys who waited longer, and started their career against an experienced fighter. I've also seen guys beat 12 bouters in their first ever fight after half a year boxing!

[Primadonna Kool]

Actually, it's not.


"Amy i am using psychology..i am simplifying the task"

For example i want to achieve many goals in 2008. I could sit around all day..thinking dam this is going to be hard. But Amy that type of attitude is a waste of fucking energy and brain power.

I call it

"The bitch ass attitude"

I came to a decision and said to myself..lets go out there and do it..if bitches want to stress themselves out talking about how hard it is going to be..then there the same people that don't achieve great things.

If this guy wants to go to the Olympics.."then for fuck sake he can go to the Olympics"...he has to train..and he has to kick ass. "If we want to be technical about it..that's what you have to do in ever sport.

"If you set out with intimidation on your mind...you are as good as dead"

I am finished with this topic.

[amy]

"Amy i am using psychology..i am simplifying the task"

For example i want to achieve many goals in 2008. I could sit around all day..thinking dam this is going to be hard. But Amy that type of attitude is a waste of fucking energy and brain power.
I call it

"The bitch ass attitude"

I came to a decision and said to myself..lets go out there and do it..if bitches want to stress themselves out talking about how hard it is going to be..then there the same people that don't achieve great things.

If this guy wants to go to the Olympics.."then for fuck sake he can go to the Olympics"...he has to train..and he has to kick ass. "If we want to be technical about it..that's what you have to do in ever sport.

"If you set out with intimidation on your mind...you are as good as dead"

I am finished with this topic.


:rofl :rofl :rofl

Get real.

[Relentless]

mr kool, dont take this the wrong way, but you really need to learn what quotation marks are used for.

[amy]

mr kool, dont take this the wrong way, but you really need to learn what quotation marks are used for.

I picture him using little air quotes with his fingers a lot when reading his posts.

[Primadonna Kool]

mr kool, dont take this the wrong way, but you really need to learn what quotation marks are used for.

I am quoting myself..

[Primadonna Kool]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Get real.

Amy you prove my point..you have a bitch ass atitude.

Bitches will never have a affect upon my opinion.

[amy]

Amy you prove my point..you have a bitch ass atitude.

Bitches will never have a affect upon my opinion.

No. I don't. I'm being realistic. If I had a dollar for every time someone came in the gym and talked about 'how bad they wanted this' ...and then quit because it was too hard or they weren't good enough fast enough, I'd be rich by now. Setting an unrealistic goal like joining the Olympic team before you have even joined a gym is setting yourself up for disappointment. There is a big difference between believing in yourself and having confidence and beign just plain naive. So don't tell me I have a bitch ass attitude, you don't know anything about me.

[Primadonna Kool]

No. I don't. I'm being realistic. If I had a dollar for every time someone came in the gym and talked about 'how bad they wanted this' ...and then quit because it was too hard or they weren't good enough fast enough, I'd be rich by now. Setting an unrealistic goal like joining the Olympic team before you have even joined a gym is setting yourself up for disappointment. There is a big difference between believing in yourself and having confidence and beign just plain naive. So don't tell me I have a bitch ass attitude, you don't know anything about me.


I will tell you what i want...you just have to accept it..its the right thing to do.

The psychology i am using is simplifying the task at hand. The reason i do this because i am not a bitch..i don't sit around stressing or debating about how difficult it is going to be..because this creates negative energy.

I am not going to sit here and explain my philosophy, i study sports psychology, and that's what i am applying. There is two ways i could go about this task...some people need the step by step process they need it breaking down.



"Setting yourself small goals...to reach a bigger goal"

Amy you come across to me, like one of them people..but you have a hint if a bitch ass attitude.

But myself..

I am a crash and burn type of character..i simplify the task. For example..if you where to approach me and say

"Hey i am going to beat your ass Mr Kool"

And i said

"No"

Then you say

"Why..?"

I will just reply

"Because i won't let you"

I have just simplified a technical task..i have installed confidence in my own ability sub conciously..and this will affect my performance.

I am finished..this debate is over.

[amy]

My god you are an idiot!

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[Primadonna Kool]

My god you are an idiot!

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Yes and you are a bitch.

That's Old Amy..that's old material baby.

I have stated my opinion, you can accept or take it anyway you want.

I see your taking it like a bitch..this debate is over.

[amy]

Nice, so I'm a bitch because I don't agree with your philsophy? Not only are you arrogant, you're immature.

[Primadonna Kool]

Nice, so I'm a bitch because I don't agree with your philsophy? Not only are you arrogant, you're immature.

You listen to me, this is not about a disagreement, its about your attitude.

You are being immature aswell..you are being very patronizing towards me. There are no special rules for you or anybody else here. If you call me a idiot..or any other forms of abuse.

Then i will call you a bitch..do you understand.

[amy]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[Primadonna Kool]

:rofl :rofl :rofl


Girl

You have a terrible Attitude.

You have upset me.

[amy]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[zippy]

:lol:

I'm sorry, this guy just has to be an alias. Has to be.

[AK-47]

No. I don't. I'm being realistic. If I had a dollar for every time someone came in the gym and talked about 'how bad they wanted this' ...and then quit because it was too hard or they weren't good enough fast enough, I'd be rich by now. Setting an unrealistic goal like joining the Olympic team before you have even joined a gym is setting yourself up for disappointment. There is a big difference between believing in yourself and having confidence and beign just plain naive. So don't tell me I have a bitch ass attitude, you don't know anything about me.

Ive been conditioning myself for 1 year now..I wana go in with an advantage. ITs uk by tha way not us.
Also I think olympics is not an unrealstic dream. Aim high?

[Relentless]

the conditioning you have done on your own and boxing conditioning is a whole different ball game, and what difference does it make whether its UK or USA?

[skellington]

the conditioning you have done on your own and boxing conditioning is a whole different ball game, and what difference does it make whether its UK or USA?

There's alot of funding available in the UK right now for boxing.

[AK-47]

the conditioning you have done on your own and boxing conditioning is a whole different ball game, and what difference does it make whether its UK or USA?

Ive been training with a friend who is a amateur boxer...The gym that im gonna go to has certain fitness standard to go to it so and i didnt think i was physically ready but now i think i am :bbb

[Relentless]

Ive been training with a friend who is a amateur boxer...The gym that im gonna go to has certain fitness standard to go to it so and i didnt think i was physically ready but now i think i am :bbb

again, not the same thing, your friend can't make you spar 1 more round after you have just went all out for 4 rounds, your friend can't force you to do double unders with a jump rope on the last minute of the 6th round of jumping rope like a good coach can.

[amy]

Ok, well good luck at the Olymipics then.

[AK-47]

again, not the same thing, your friend can't make you spar 1 more round after you have just went all out for 4 rounds, your friend can't force you to do double unders with a jump rope on the last minute of the 6th round of jumping rope like a good coach can.

Thats why im going to the boxing gym
I just wanted to learn the basics first
Now im gonna start training properly
And thanks amy

[MrSmall]

I'm in the army, and in the BEST WEEK I can train 4 times.
In the normal week, 2 or 3 times.
This week, for example, from Monday the 4th till Wednesday the 20th, I can go about 5 times.

Train WHENEVER YOU CAN, every day pal. I have the same goal, 2012 Olympics. Would be a dream.

[ChrisPontius]

I have to agree with what the "bitch" said. So many people gave up on something because they set goals too high.

First, try to survive a round of sparring with an experienced opponent. Then try to do it 4 rounds. Then try to win your first fight. Then you first tournament. Etc etc.

It's nice to have ambitions, but how motivated is someone going to be when he's tired after climbing 4 stairs while his first goal is Mount Everest?

[amy]

Thank you, finally! Setting small goals and achieving them is what gives you that confidence to push to the next level. Setting your sights too high too soon is only going to be met with disappointment since there are no rewards along the way.

[El Puma]

Thank you, finally! Setting small goals and achieving them is what gives you that confidence to push to the next level. Setting your sights too high too soon is only going to be met with disappointment since there are no rewards along the way.The "secret' to a happy and fullfilling life. Thank you amy.:thumbsup

[tri-pod]

Thank you, finally! Setting small goals and achieving them is what gives you that confidence to push to the next level. Setting your sights too high too soon is only going to be met with disappointment since there are no rewards along the way.

exactly. if you want to get to point C then first you have to go from point A to point B then get to point C.

[XCLEECX]

I thought you said in the favourite combination thread you had knocked out heaps of people with a jab, over hand right combination. Are you a shit talker...

[MrSmall]

Yep, small goals are better.
EVEN BETTER are goals that involve the leading up to a goal.

Such as, opposed to get through a 4 round fight and win, think of it as "improve technique, improve conditioning, spar more". These things will LEAD to the 4 round fight, but you won't be disappointed if you lose a 4 round fight, and not see the improvements as the real win.

[AK-47]

Thanks everyone for your opinions it really has made a difference to what i think
And cleec i didnt mean boxing when i talk about fights i meant streetfighting.

[Relentless]

:lol: streetfights, another keyboard warrior [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[AK-47]

:lol: streetfights, another keyboard warrior [Only registered and activated users can see links]

yea watever like what you think makes a real big difference

[juggernautburn]

yea watever like what you think makes a real big difference

i guess people here think they are being helpful/knowledgable telling you that it is not possible to go to the olympics or telling you to focus on something else. i would say wanting to go to the olympics is a good motivator. yeah, you haven't joined a gym yet, but ummm...hmm the olympics are about 4 and a half years away, and you've already alluded to joining one. i agree with the black guys philisophy. he is the only one in this thread that didn't try to derail you from your goal. it's also funny how people automatically side with amy in the hopes of garnering affection or something over the internet.

but anyway, if someone's instilling negative energy in you and not giving you positive reinforcement, just chalk it up as another detractor that you can not wait to prove wrong. it's all about self-confidence.

i would say that it is a possibility for you to go to the olympics if you are determined. if you don't make it, don't fret, because amateur boxing isn't like pro boxing anyway, and on top of that, most boxing gold medalists these days are not getting as much attention as before. i would say focus on getting experience and then going pro. hell if it doesn't work out, at least you tried, unlike a lot naysayers here who never will.

[AK-47]

i guess people here think they are being helpful/knowledgable telling you that it is not possible to go to the olympics or telling you to focus on something else. i would say wanting to go to the olympics is a good motivator. yeah, you haven't joined a gym yet, but ummm...hmm the olympics are about 4 and a half years away, and you've already alluded to joining one. i agree with the black guys philisophy. he is the only one in this thread that didn't try to derail you from your goal. it's also funny how people automatically side with amy in the hopes of garnering affection or something over the internet.

but anyway, if someone's instilling negative energy in you and not giving you positive reinforcement, just chalk it up as another detractor that you can not wait to prove wrong. it's all about self-confidence.

i would say that it is a possibility for you to go to the olympics if you are determined. if you don't make it, don't fret, because amateur boxing isn't like pro boxing anyway, and on top of that, most boxing gold medalists these days are not getting as much attention as before. i would say focus on getting experience and then going pro. hell if it doesn't work out, at least you tried, unlike a lot naysayers here who never will.

thanks thats real helpful to know people have my back.
And i have joined a gym going to go on wednesday for first session.
Im fired up and ready

[Relentless]

thanks thats real helpful to know people have my back.
And i have joined a gym going to go on wednesday for first session.
Im fired up and ready

not really, he just said what you wanted to hear, you aren't after advice, you are after an E-hug.

[AK-47]

not really, he just said what you wanted to hear, you aren't after advice, you are after an E-hug.

Leme rephrase then...
Its reassuring to know someone has my back
God sake you do have to pick on little things huh?

[Luckyboy]

keep winning, take each fight at a time and you never know. If your good enough then you will make it.

[Thumpa50814]

Short term goal :- Start training and conditioning and get in the ring

Medium term :- Go for the olympics

Long term :- Become a pro boxer

You dont know how bad i want thisyou ound like me its great to have confidence and anything is possible so yeah you can make it just train real hard

[Boyd]

:lol: streetfights, another keyboard warrior [Only registered and activated users can see links] many fights have you had?

[Urban_Gorilla]

Im 16 gonna be 17 in october
So if i started boxing properly and was t ruly commited and had talent
you think its possible for me to get into the olympics in 2012/2016?

its not IMpossible to get tp the 2016 olympics, 2012 maybe a little out of reach, yet most people thrive on proving doubters wrong are you one of those people.?

No. I don't. I'm being realistic. If I had a dollar for every time someone came in the gym and talked about 'how bad they wanted this' ...and then quit because it was too hard or they weren't good enough fast enough, I'd be rich by now. Setting an unrealistic goal like joining the Olympic team before you have even joined a gym is setting yourself up for disappointment. There is a big difference between believing in yourself and having confidence and beign just plain naive. So don't tell me I have a bitch ass attitude, you don't know anything about me.

every gym as guys who goes into a gym for 3 weeks with the attitude that he will be a future champ etc. and they are never to be seen again, we have all witnessed it. . .
but for every 5,000 people who do that, there is at least 1 person what sticks at it and in time turns into a very good technical boxer, and for you to say but that 1 person isnt going to be AK-47 is pretty arrogant and ignorant on your behalf.

I have to agree with what the "bitch" said. So many people gave up on something because they set goals too high.

First, try to survive a round of sparring with an experienced opponent. Then try to do it 4 rounds. Then try to win your first fight. Then you first tournament. Etc etc.

It's nice to have ambitions, but how motivated is someone going to be when he's tired after climbing 4 stairs while his first goal is Mount Everest?

There is no doubt about it, success isnt a destination but a journey.

heres a little quote from muhammed ali

Champions aren't made in gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them-a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have to have the skill and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill. ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

i quoted that from ali, as only ak-47 will ever know if he has that Will, Desire and Spirit ali speaks.

Thank you, finally! Setting small goals and achieving them is what gives you that confidence to push to the next level. Setting your sights too high too soon is only going to be met with disappointment since there are no rewards along the way.

its generally excepted that Mike Tyson was a one of, but from age 13 and is very first meeting with cus d'amato after only a few months of boxing training he had people telling him he was going to be the next heavyweight champ of the world, and 7 years later he achieved this. is it so unreallistic for a 16 year old who dreams of being an olympian in 8 years time can not achieve his dreams?

[BigEars]

thanks thats real helpful to know people have my back.
And i have joined a gym going to go on wednesday for first session.
Im fired up and ready

Most people in life are inspired by trying to prove people wrong , for instance I don't think you'll make it............prove me wrong .


Seriously though create little goals first , getting first fight , winning first fight etc with your target being too improve as much as you can and be the best possible boxer you can . Now if that leads you to an Olympics great .

But even making an ABA final in your lifetime would be a very impressive feat , three of Ireland's best current boxers coudn't even make the Olympics(Bernard Dunne, Paul McCloskey and John Duddy) even though all were accomplished amateurs .

[boxingchamp767]

idk its tuff you say you really want it, but how long is that goin to last you know boxing is a tuff sport theres alot of sacrafices like when the whole family is having a party and bbq and you have to sit in the other room alone cause you have to make weight, or when your friends invite you to go do somethin and you cant cause you have to stay home cause your getting ready for a fight of you have to go to bed early cause you have to get up in the morning to go run just think about it think about the world then all the different countries in the world then think of all the major cities in those countries and all the little towns in the cities and every single boxing gym that has kids that are the same way you are i would set a little goal first then when you accomplish it move on to bigger and better ones!!:yep