Couture: " you tell me who’s wrong or right?”

[boxingcar]

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[El Presidente]

:blood hmmm


They want to ban Couture Clothing Line? wtf why

[billyconn]

:blood hmmm


They want to ban Couture Clothing Line? wtf why

Randy could be the Curt Flood of MMA.....

[LONE WOLF]

And were upset at Fedor for not signing his soul to Dana White.

[demzor]

Hey Randy

YOURE WRONG
Honor your contract.

[Beebs]

:blood hmmm


They want to ban Couture Clothing Line? wtf why

I believe thats part of a ban on affliction, which has something to do with his clothing line, as affliction is wanting to start their own promotion.

Nobody's right in this situation.

[Ramshall1]

Pay Couture!!!!

[AJAX]

It's hard to stick up for him when he signs an employment and a fight contract and then "resigns" from it, it just doesn't work that way. Randy's a great fighter, person and even a good announcer but i think this was a big mistake.

[Dostoevsky]

They are banning his clothing line because it's joined with Affliction which is wanting to start its own fighting organisation.

Obviously the UFC isn't going to promote a rival.

[Ramshall1]

The dude seriously outperformed his old contract, pay the man what he earned.

[jimmie]

Fuck Dana White and long live Randy Couture. If he gets that Fedor fight we will see whos right.

[demzor]

The dude seriously outperformed his old contract, pay the man what he earned.

By beating.. Gonzaga? :patsch

[BewareofDawg]

By beating.. Gonzaga? :patsch
Yeah I know, this is so ridiculous. He beats Sylvia...ok, impressive, but so did Nog. Everyone is saying how one-dimensional Sylvia is anyway. He beats the ultimate hype job in Gonzaga who all but threw in the towel after he hurt his nose. Sorry, but Gonzaga is not what he was built up to be and fought a little tentative in that fight after he got hurt. Why is Nog not worthy to fight Randy again? :huh Why does Randy not have to fulfill the contract he signed? I know alot of you dislike Dana, but the man has a point now. They gave Randy a shot, they took the heat...yeah sure it was lucrative for the company as well to have Randy beat Sylvia, but regardless, it was very lucrative for Randy as well. Randy has to man up and fight Nog now. Sorry.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Guys... I would understand that Randy is looking bad not finishing out his contract, if it wasn't for the fact that the man is so old. He only wants one more fight, and he wants it to be against Fedor. The UFC couldn't make that happen, so he wants to go make it happen himself. He doesn't have all the time in the world to play games with all of the other fights that really aren't going to do anything for his career. A win over Nog would do nothing for Randy... a win over Fedor would just make his legend grow twice as far as it already has. I don't blame Randy for wanting out of his contract, knowing that he only has one more fight in him.. and wanting it to be against the best in the World.

However, I do think that he sort of screwed the UFC over by smearing their name the way that he did... and refusing to be any part of the organization even as far as commentating. Then again... his big problem was with the way that the UFC was dealing with his people, treating his management like shit... and Dana White even admitted that much. So, they should have shown Randy more respect than that. He has earned it.

[BewareofDawg]

Guys... I would understand that Randy is looking bad not finishing out his contract, if it wasn't for the fact that the man is so old. He only wants one more fight, and he wants it to be against Fedor. The UFC couldn't make that happen, so he wants to go make it happen himself. He doesn't have all the time in the world to play games with all of the other fights that really aren't going to do anything for his career. A win over Nog would do nothing for Randy... a win over Fedor would just make his legend grow twice as far as it already has. I don't blame Randy for wanting out of his contract, knowing that he only has one more fight in him.. and wanting it to be against the best in the World.

However, I do think that he sort of screwed the UFC over by smearing their name the way that he did... and refusing to be any part of the organization even as far as commentating. Then again... his big problem was with the way that the UFC was dealing with his people, treating his management like shit... and Dana White even admitted that much. So, they should have shown Randy more respect than that. He has earned it.
Ok, if he's getting old and only wants one more fight then these are things he should have considered when he signed his contract. You don't see Roger Clemens signing a 3 year deal and then 1/2 through the first season say he only wants to pitch in the World Series and if the team he's contracted with can't make it happen he'll go elsewhere.... because he's getting old and doesn't want to waste his arm? :lol: It's total bullshit! What is he trying to do? He wasn't manipulated into this contract or taken advantage of. He just had a change of heart, who gives a shit Randy....suck it up and do the right thing. Stop bitching!

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Ok, if he's getting old and only wants one more fight then these are things he should have considered when he signed his contract. You don't see Roger Clemens signing a 3 year deal and then 1/2 through the first season say he only wants to pitch in the World Series and if the team he's contracted with can't make it happen he'll go elsewhere.... because he's getting old and doesn't want to waste his arm? :lol: It's total bullshit! What is he trying to do? He wasn't manipulated into this contract or taken advantage of. He just had a change of heart, who gives a shit Randy....suck it up and do the right thing. Stop bitching!
I am sure that Randy thought the UFC would make the Fedor fight happen for him. Also, fighters can resign any time that they want to. They will just have a penality for doing so. Randy believes that his contract was for 4 fights OR 18 months which runs out in July. Randy isn't telling them to let him out of his contract early... he is simply waiting for the time to run out. He was recovering from a broken arm, and would have had to wait that much longer to be able to get into the ring for another fight anyways.... so he decided that at this stage of his career, he had done all he could do with the UFC and wanted the biggest fight out there. I can understand him.

You guys aren't going through the real details. That is where the problem is... some people are saying that Randy's contract is for 4 fights... some say it runs out in July... according to Randy and his lawyers, the contract was for 4 fights OR 18 months. So, he is choosing to wait out the rest of the 18 months. Big John McCarthy said that he has seen the contract, and he believes that Randy will win a court case if it went there. By his contract, Randy should be free of it in July.

I am sure that Dana White and company are going to say that he still owes them fights, because he was offered fights that he turned down... and I don't blame them either. We will have to see how it turns out.

[BewareofDawg]

I am sure that Randy thought the UFC would make the Fedor fight happen for him. Also, fighters can resign any time that they want to. They will just have a penality for doing so. Randy believes that his contract was for 4 fights OR 18 months which runs out in July. Randy isn't telling them to let him out of his contract early... he is simply waiting for the time to run out. He was recovering from a broken arm, and would have had to wait that much longer to be able to get into the ring for another fight anyways.... so he decided that at this stage of his career, he had done all he could do with the UFC and wanted the biggest fight out there. I can understand him.

You guys aren't going through the real details. That is where the problem is... some people are saying that Randy's contract is for 4 fights... some say it runs out in July... according to Randy and his lawyers, the contract was for 4 fights OR 18 months. So, he is choosing to wait out the rest of the 18 months. Big John McCarthy said that he has seen the contract, and he believes that Randy will win a court case if it went there. By his contract, Randy should be free of it in July.

I am sure that Dana White and company are going to say that he still owes them fights, because he was offered fights that he turned down... and I don't blame them either. We will have to see how it turns out.
Well I don't know whats in the contract, it just seemed as though The UFC kinda had a more convincing argument or case. I personally, as a fan want to see him fight NOg so we can have a real champ. It is never good in boxing or MMA if the Champ walks away. Another thing, why is Randy above NOg? Shouldn't he also want to fight NOg? He could fight him and then fight Fedor when his contract runs out, everyone wins......except maybe Couture :think

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Well I don't know whats in the contract, it just seemed as though The UFC kinda had a more convincing argument or case. I personally, as a fan want to see him fight NOg so we can have a real champ. It is never good in boxing or MMA if the Champ walks away. Another thing, why is Randy above NOg? Shouldn't he also want to fight NOg? He could fight him and then fight Fedor when his contract runs out, everyone wins......except maybe Couture :think
Well... I think that the UFC had a better case as far as how much money Randy was making. However, they never stated their case on his contracted fights or length... so I don't know how you came to that conclusion. However, Randy said himself not to feel sorry for him about his pay, because he was one of the few guys who were well taken care of in that department. I never gave a shit about the money anyways. I don't feel sorry for rich people with money issues. I don't bash the UFC either, they are trying to stay on top.

However, when it comes to people bashing Randy for waiting out his contract so he can fight Fedor... I just don't get it. The man is old, and that is the only fight that he wants. He has earned it, he can have it. We should be praising him for wanting to put together the biggest fight out there, not bashing him for not fighting someone who everyone claims is washed up.

[Ramshall1]

By beating.. Gonzaga? :patsch

By doing evryone a favor and beating that boring fukc Sylvia, it aint his fault Cro Cop got decapitated by Gonzaga, Couture beat the man that beat the man. . . after moving up from LHW.

Anyone who cant appreciate Couture as a fighter is simply not a fan of the sport. :deal

[demzor]

By doing evryone a favor and beating that boring fukc Sylvia, it aint his fault Cro Cop got decapitated by Gonzaga, Couture beat the man that beat the man. . . after moving up from LHW.

Anyone who cant appreciate Couture as a fighter is simply not a fan of the sport. :deal

Couture is alright.. he's just overrated.
He's never really been best of the best in any weight class, imo.

[curmudgeon]

Hey Randy

YOURE WRONG
Honor your contract.

No, he is not. One sided, patently unfair contracts may be overturned by a court as fraudulent.

[elixirvtec]

Couture is alright.. he's just overrated.
He's never really been best of the best in any weight class, imo.
How you figure? Randy won titles in 2 different weight classes. Who has accomplish what he has at his age??? He owned the same guy who KO crocop. He ate the same high kick that knock crocop out but he didn't go down. He belongs with the best of the best. IMO he is ranked up there with fedor and the only man that has a CHANCE to beat fedor.

[demzor]

How you figure? Randy won titles in 2 different weight classes. Who has accomplish what he has at his age???
He was just never great, imo. Titles don't mean much if you can't put together some defenses. Most of his big wins were just boring clinch and lay and pray.

And he would lose to Sylvia in a rematch. Sylvia didn't take that fight seriously.


Couture may have had some sort of chance against Fedor in a cage... but he has ZERO chance in a ring. None.

[Ramshall1]

He was just never great, imo. Titles don't mean much if you can't put together some defenses. Most of his big wins were just boring clinch and lay and pray.

And he would lose to Sylvia in a rematch. Sylvia didn't take that fight seriously.


Couture may have had some sort of chance against Fedor in a cage... but he has ZERO chance in a ring. None.

so much ignorance in one post, he dominated a prime Tito and beat the snot outta Chuck in the first match (props to Chuck for avenging that loss). He destroyed Vitor - everyone thought invincable at the time. He dominated a HUGE heavyweight to take the title. His accomplishments speak for themselves.

I will never understand the hate he gets.

[Beebs]

I will never understand the hate he gets.

People have decided they can only be a fan of Fedor or Couture, only a fan of the UFC or a hater, no in between or gray area.

Therefore if Fedor is good Randy is a fraud, or if Randy is good Fedor is irrelevant.

[Beebs]

And he would lose to Sylvia in a rematch. Sylvia didn't take that fight seriously.


What part of the full 25 minutes of Couture domination leads you to believe that?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

People have decided they can only be a fan of Fedor or Couture, only a fan of the UFC or a hater, no in between or gray area.

Therefore if Fedor is good Randy is a fraud, or if Randy is good Fedor is irrelevant.
Yea, it's crazy. I happen to be one of those "crazy" guys who believe that Randy and Fedor are both great. Fedor is a great fighter, and #1 in the World right now at Heavyweight. However, if he doesn't fight some good comp soon, he can't hold onto that title much longer. Randy is the next guy in line, and I would love to see a fight between the two. In a cage, I think that I would favor Couture. In a ring, I definitely favor Fedor.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

What part of the full 25 minutes of Couture domination leads you to believe that?
Yes, it was a 1500 second fluke.

Sylvia didn't take the fight seriously?:rofl As if Tim is this amazing athlete that doesn't need to train. Especially when fighting against a guy who was known to beat him around like a rag doll in the practice room.

[Ramshall1]

People have decided they can only be a fan of Fedor or Couture, only a fan of the UFC or a hater, no in between or gray area.

Therefore if Fedor is good Randy is a fraud, or if Randy is good Fedor is irrelevant.

these people are jokes then.

Hey, my favorite fighter at the time was Tito. . . Randy beat him down and I wasnt happy about it but I give the man his due repect. . . he is good for the sport. Its not like he goes around ducking worthy challengers. Hate for real "fighters" like this is just stupid.

[elixirvtec]

He was just never great, imo. Titles don't mean much if you can't put together some defenses. Most of his big wins were just boring clinch and lay and pray.

And he would lose to Sylvia in a rematch. Sylvia didn't take that fight seriously.


Couture may have had some sort of chance against Fedor in a cage... but he has ZERO chance in a ring. None.

Then you have some sorry ass opinion. I mean it is your own opinion but they aren't good ones. Randy couture is a great fighter who has accomplished more than anyone in MMA. He has fought all the big names in the lhw divison and beat them. Same goes for the hw. only one fight left and that is fedor.

[ufoalf]

Well, I love both Randy and Fedor and I think they both a model for champions. But even with all that respect there is no way in hell can I rank Randy over Nog. It's just not possible. Age doesn't give you that much special privilege.

[demzor]

Then you have some sorry ass opinion. I mean it is your own opinion but they aren't good ones. Randy couture is a great fighter who has accomplished more than anyone in MMA. He has fought all the big names in the lhw divison and beat them. Same goes for the hw. only one fight left and that is fedor.
All the big names? He fought Vitor, Tito, And Chuck.
Only one fight left? Theres plenty of guys out there would kick his ass.

His resume doesn't compare to Chucks

Wanderlei
Tito x2
Babalu x2
Couture x2
Overeem
Mezger
Randleman
Belfort

Soon to include Shogun


Thats a real legend.



but whatever.
just my opinion.

:hi:

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

All the big names? He fought Vitor, Tito, And Chuck.

His resume doesn't compare to Chucks

Wanderlei
Tito x2
Babalu x2
Couture x2
Overeem
Mezger
Randleman
Belfort

Soon to include Shogun


Thats a real legend.



but whatever.
just my opinion.

:hi:
You count Randleman for Chuck, but not for Randy?:lol: Also, a resume isn't just who you beat, it is who you fought.

Randy actually fought...

Chuck Liddell 3x
Tito Ortiz
Pedro Rizzo 2x
Josh Barnett
TK
Vitor Belfort3x
Maurice Smith
Jeremy Horn
Ricco Rodriquez
Tim Sylvia
Gabriel Gonzaga (would be Cro-Cop had Gonzaga not completely destroyed him)

Soon to be Fedor Emelianenko


Just a tad bit better of a resume than you give him credit for. Yes, he suffered several losses along the way, but that is what makes Randy so great. He entered the sport at 34 years old, was just a wrestler, suffered losses and grew from them. Overcame the odds and even at his advanced age learned and got better... LEGEND.

[demzor]

lol

Oh ok.. brutal losses count too. Not only count.. they raise Randys stock! Geez it must be great to be an over the hill fighter. You can never lose!

Randy is Rudy... Chuck is Joe Montana

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

lol

Oh ok.. brutal losses count too. Not only count.. they raise Randys stock! Geez it must be great to be an over the hill fighter. You can never lose!

Randy is Rudy... Chuck is Joe Montana
First of all, you said resume... right? Do you know what that means? You didn't say wins. Ok we will go by only his top wins then...

Chuck Liddell
Tito Ortiz
Vitor Belfort 2x
Gabriel Gonzaga
Tim Sylvia
Pedro Rizzo 2x
Jeremy Horn
TK
Kevin Randleman
Maurice Smith

Looks pretty damn good to me. I have a feeling that you don't even know some of the people on this list.:yep That would explain it.

[demzor]

Oh I know all the names on the list darling. Don't worry.

But when you include names like Maurice Smith, TK, and Jeremy Horn.. its kind of sad.

[radianttwilight]

Oh I know all the names on the list darling. Don't worry.

But when you include names like Maurice Smith, TK, and Jeremy Horn.. its kind of sad.

Jeremy Horn beat Liddell?

It's a very relevant win.

[demzor]

Jeremy Horn beat Liddell?

It's a very relevant win.

In Chucks 3rd fight..

Give me a break. Horn is a 185lber.. and not even a top 10

[El Puma]

Maurice Smith is a former champ and a damn good overall fighter in his prime.

[sugarngold]

Oh I know all the names on the list darling. Don't worry.

But when you include names like Maurice Smith, TK, and Jeremy Horn.. its kind of sad.
BS on that. :bart

Maurice Smith was the single best kickboxer to ever make the transition to MMA. He won the Extreme Fighting Championship in dramatic fashion then defeated Mark Coleman for the UFC title at a time when no one in the world thought Coleman could be beaten.

Please give credit where it is due.

[Beebs]

Also, the people pointing out that relative smallness of TK and Randleman...those are really the only full MMA wins Bas has, and he needed a robbery on one and a bullshit standup on the other