Iyo what can oscar do to beat floyd?

[RICH]

In your own opinion what can oscar do to win against floyd?

[hitman6616]

hit him and not let floyd hit him back?:huh

[RICH]

hit him and not let floyd hit him back?:huh
ok, that wont happen. thanks

[Gonzo]

He can't, Floyd has to beat himself in order for Oscar to beat and that just won't happen.

[196osh]

Invent a time machine, :yep

[RICH]

Invent a time machine, :yep
:lol:

[hitman6616]

ok, that wont happen. thanks:lol:

sorry, just playin. I think he's gotta just rough him up,push and shove, find a way in and a way to land body shots. he's gotta stay on top of him...I dont think he can...but I dont see any other way of beating Mayweather. he cant box him from the outside,cant stand and "trade" cause floyd wont get hit. pritty much just smother him with his larger frame..only chance in my oppinion

[superchile]

he needs to be willing to take alot a punches to land one of his when floyd is trowing is the only chance to hit him his defense is one of the best ,simply punch whit him

[Gonzo]

Have Millie distract the referee and when he turns his back Oscar tags Floyd Sr. and he comes in to double team Floyd. That's the only way and even then Floyd would whoop his daddy and step son's (i.e. Oscar) ass.

:rofl :rofl

[Ramshall1]

Shape-shift into Miguel Cotto.

[RICH]

:lol:

sorry, just playin. I think he's gotta just rough him up,push and shove, find a way in and a way to land body shots. he's gotta stay on top of him...I dont think he can...but I dont see any other way of beating Mayweather. he cant box him from the outside,cant stand and "trade" cause floyd wont get hit. pritty much just smother him with his larger frame..only chance in my oppinion
I can agree with that, i just cant picture oscar being able to keep up the work rate he needs.

[hitman6616]

I can agree with that, i just cant picture oscar being able to keep up the work rate he needs.

yep...he basicly cant win haha

[Ramshall1]

yep...he basicly cant win haha

and there-in lies one of the main reasons this match is being made. :(

[randeris]

land a lucky shot.

[bestdefense117]

The way to beat Floyd's style is in the Cotto vs Mliganggi/Judah, and the Taylor vs Pavlik fight. Floyd's stance relys on east coast blocking (shoulder rolling) on the right hands the way to beat him is the Double Jab to blind him then BAM! right hand follow up.

[bestdefense117]

Floyds gonna wanna move on the double jab, duck away so stay on him when he ducks away and catch him but watch the trap thats what Floyds style relys on, Check punchs and Counter Attacks. Don't brawl thats what Floyd wants.

[Caliboxing]

Get a time machine and travel back to 1998.

[Pimp C]

The way to beat Floyd's style is in the Cotto vs Mliganggi/Judah, and the Taylor vs Pavlik fight. Floyd's stance relys on east coast blocking (shoulder rolling) on the right hands the way to beat him is the Double Jab to blind him then BAM! right hand follow up.
Easier said than done. Especially since PBF is extremley hard to hit and can counter punch his ass off.
Although I don't think a boxer exists from 154 and down you would need these things. First a southpaw PBF doesn't like southpaw's even unca Roger will tell you that. Second have a great jab I mean a Ike quartey, Winky Wright or Sweet Pea Whitaker type. Third you need to have great handspeed like for example somone like Zab or atleast equal to him and beat him to the punch, Zab did this a few times in thier fight. Fourth a good wokrate not a Paul Williams and throw a 100 punches a round type but around 70-80 enough to outwork him since PBF doesn't throw many punches when he's not forced to. Fifth you need good stamina someone who can fight the whole 12 rounds and not fade down the strech. PBF probably has the best stamina in the sport and relies on his opponents getting tired in the late rounds like Zab and Oscar for example. Sixth you need to have good pop because if you don't PBF won't be as cautious and will open up more. Seventh you need good foot speed someone like Hatton who could cover the space quickly but unlike Hatton who can cut off the ring like a prime JLC for example. Eighth good defense and counterpuning PBF has never really faced a fighter with good defense and counterpunching it would be interesting to see how he would react.

Like I said before some fighters posses these attributes but no one has the complete package. Paul Williams comes the closest but throws to many uneccessary punches and has poor defense also Spinks would present problems for PBF as well. Cotto would give PBF a good fight but would lose primarily due to poor defense he would be easy for PBF to hit him and outpoint him to a win.

[SchweitzerMan]

Get a time machine and travel back to 1998.

I was going to say 1997

[eliqueiros]

If I were Oscar I would ask Trinidad's father to wrap my hands for me before the fight. Seriously, Oscar needs to use his tallness, his reach, stay on the outside and box, catch Floyd coming in. The pressure house tactics don't work on Floyd anymore. He is too used to that. If Oscar can still box, and I'm sure he can he needs to do what he does best and not try to fight like Castillo. He will get hit alot, but he would hit Floyd too.

[jimmy1991]

JAB

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

He needs to make Floyd come to him. Let Floyd take chances and counter off of Floyd's mistakes. Floyd isn't nearly as good moving forward as he is moving back. Everyone makes it easy for Floyd with this "just pressure him" attitude. Floyd doesn't have to take any risks, and lets his opponents open themselves up. If Oscar would take his normal half step back and make Floyd reach a little in order to get his own shots in, Oscar could find success in making Floyd pay. Of course he would keep that jab going as well.

[joekirkbycobra]

he has to take floyd out his game, bully him use every trick in the book, make floyd want to get the hell out,and ofcourse mix the bullying with non stop pressure and punching

[boxeo#1]

Oh one thing that almost got him their first (official cards) had he used it more:

The JAB

NB.: And not ONCE did Roach said he has to use his jab more:patsch :huh :bart and that is considered a top trainer, omfg.

[elTerrible]

the last fight was pretty close.

i was actually impressed with DLH's defense, he was blocking a ton of PBF's shots, especially in the early rounds.

It was a boring fight and very anticlimatic, i knew it wouldnt live up to the hype. both guys were very defensive and no one opened up enough.

I really dont care what dlh can do for the next one, i dont want to see it again. Id rather pbf-cotto happen


I dont think its impossible for dlh to win however, he almost did last time.

[richie leon]

Well after all the concoessions Oscar got Floyd to make for the first fight, maybe this time they can put it in the contract that Oscar wins.
Barring that, forgetaboutit.

[RafaelGonzal]

DLH is not a swarmer or a pressure guy. Its not even in his nature and defenitely not his forte. His game is to hit you from the outside. PBF is too fast for DLH on the outside. PBF can therefor afford to stay safely in the pocket and throw pot shots at DLH and win round after round.

Two things will make PBF get out of his comfort zone,

a. if he is behind on points = a laser jab
b. if you make him fight instead of box = power, strength, pressure,

a. Paul Williams-his jab would make PBF fight I take Willaims in this one
b. Cotto- not having one punch KO power is the thing that hurts Miguel here but he has enough of the three power, strength, etc... to put up a good fight. I cant say he would win but has a good chance.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Ricky Hatton did that in one round and he got bombs all over his face.Floyd is still comfortable coming forward juts like he is fighting on the inside.

Oscar's chance of not losing is staying at home and watching the fight on t.v (not turning up)




this is a perfect script of 'how to lose to Floyd Mayweather'
Pressure means nothing and Floyd is a true professional

You are saying that Oscar can't do it, because it didn't work for Hatton? I know that you aren't comparing Oscar's technical boxing ability, and ability to box going backwards to Hatton's are you? Let alone the size difference.

[Jase2483]

there isn't much dlh can do to win - he got owned the first time

[boxeo#1]

JAB

:good

[Arriba]

Stab him during a clinch and hope the ref (probably Joe Cortez) doesn't see it.

Poison him in his corner.

Plant on Floyd's foot and punch him while he can't move.

[pit]

Easier said than done. Especially since PBF is extremley hard to hit and can counter punch his ass off.
Although I don't think a boxer exists from 154 and down you would need these things. First a southpaw PBF doesn't like southpaw's even unca Roger will tell you that. Second have a great jab I mean a Ike quartey, Winky Wright or Sweet Pea Whitaker type. Third you need to have great handspeed like for example somone like Zab or atleast equal to him and beat him to the punch, Zab did this a few times in thier fight. Fourth a good wokrate not a Paul Williams and throw a 100 punches a round type but around 70-80 enough to outwork him since PBF doesn't throw many punches when he's not forced to. Fifth you need good stamina someone who can fight the whole 12 rounds and not fade down the strech. PBF probably has the best stamina in the sport and relies on his opponents getting tired in the late rounds like Zab and Oscar for example. Sixth you need to have good pop because if you don't PBF won't be as cautious and will open up more. Seventh you need good foot speed someone like Hatton who could cover the space quickly but unlike Hatton who can cut off the ring like a prime JLC for example. Eighth good defense and counterpuning PBF has never really faced a fighter with good defense and counterpunching it would be interesting to see how he would react.

Like I said before some fighters posses these attributes but no one has the complete package. Paul Williams comes the closest but throws to many uneccessary punches and has poor defense also Spinks would present problems for PBF as well. Cotto would give PBF a good fight but would lose primarily due to poor defense he would be easy for PBF to hit him and outpoint him to a win.


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pretty much any one that keep saying "Jab" is just being stupid , Oscar and hatton had less then a 17% connect percentage when jabbing at floyd and floyd landed almost twice as many as both of them but through less jabs.
Floyd bend to well at the waist for the Jab to be the only answer but when boxing a south paw there stance negates his ability to bend at the waist with out bending into the path of there power hand.

[RICH]

:good :good :good

pretty much any one that keep saying "Jab" is just being stupid , Oscar and hatton had less then a 17% connect percentage when jabbing at floyd and floyd landed almost twice as many as both of them but through less jabs.
Floyd bend to well at the waist to for the Jab to be the only answer but when boxing a south paw there stance negates his ability to bend at the waist with out bending into the path of there power hand.

i understand what your saying, but surely he gives himself a much better chance if he jabs, not to say that all he needs to do.

[Imperial1]

Hire him if you can't beat em join em !

[joekirkbycobra]

Ricky Hatton did that in one round and he got bombs all over his face.Floyd is still comfortable coming forward juts like he is fighting on the inside.

Oscar's chance of not losing is staying at home and watching the fight on t.v (not turning up)




this is a perfect script of 'how to lose to Floyd Mayweather'
Pressure means nothing and Floyd is a true professional


thats true he is practically unbeatable but the thread said to think of the best way for oscar to beat him and in my opinion oscars only got 1 thing over him (or at least he should have having fought at middleweight for a couple of fights ) and thats strength so i just came up with the best way to use it , but really there is only one way to beat floyd and its obviosly not "not turning up" because then your not winning. the way is it may seem obvious, is to KNOCK HIM OUT

[joekirkbycobra]

there isn't much dlh can do to win - he got owned the first time

and will the second only worse

[pit]

i understand what your saying, but surely he gives himself a much better chance if he jabs, not to say that all he needs to do.

maybe if he can turn the clock back on his legs, but oscar has only boxed when facing someone slower then himself. Floyd poses a much bigger problem for oscar at this age .

Foot speed is a big issue and even when he manages to close the distance floyd upper body movement and defense will then come into play , following a guy around the ring and then missing him once you catch him will defiantly deplete your energy reserves ..

The only way Oscar beat floyd is if he trains for a 15 round fight at a high level , that means not trying to KO floyd but just staying busy or just shoe shine the judges into giving him a point win .. Because a KO win is a long shot and floyd will more then likely be counting on Oscar, to be trying for a KO.

[TIGEREDGE]

oscar won last time if you ask me

[Johnnyblaze]

there are a couple of different ways Oscar can win:

1. Land a lucky punch.
2. Jab....double jab.......triple jab......and then work off that
3. take a chance and back up and let Floyd come to him and try to counter punch him (it would probably be the last thing floyd would expect.)
4. train his ass of and do what he did for the first half of the first fight and keep it up for the full 12 rds. this time
5. pray that Floyd breaks his right hand

[splatter69]

Make sure its the night of the jab...

[Larson]

Punch him

[BlueApollo]

Remain CEO of GBP. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Oscar is given the nod in a "close" fight to force a trilogy. Who else can these two fight to make $30 million?

Floyd loves money more than the sport, otherwise he wouldn't have taken this fight. Do I think he could be "convinced" of the business sense in looking less than spectacular? You bet.

[ripcity]

Make it the night of the Jab.