Fedor's Open Letter to Dana White

[boxingcar]

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[hitman6616]

seems like he wants to make the fight happen but holy crap...UFC needs to buckle down...NOW! if they dont get there crap together on whos the champ and how there titles change hands,and a whole pile of other crap there gonna loose fan base...

[Dantes]

This fight has to happen, it would be a great opportunity for UFC to boost their profile even more than it is now, and also to put Fedor's skillsets to play against the top ranked UFC fighters.:good

[ufoalf]

This letter won't even make Dana lift up his finger. He doesn't give a fuck about co-promoting. There's no way in hell Dana is going to co-promote with his competition.

[Phil]

Why would dana do it, have his champion get there arse kicked by some other orgs guy.. why ?

[Ubersteve]

Grandstanding. Fedor knows Dana won't respond. Dana is trying to make Fedor look shit, Fedor is trying to say he thinks the fights can realistically be made. Both of them know deep down they're wrong.

[Nuke]

Dana brought fighters like Chuck to Pride why not co-promote to make a major fight like this, this is why I'm not a fan of Dana.

[BewareofDawg]

Hypothetical:

Dana co-promotes with M1 a Nog/Fedor fight. At the same time, behind the scenes M1 is in negotiations with AA and Sylvia, Couture and maybe even Barnett. Fedor destroys Nog and re-establishes himself as the #1 Heavy at the same time kills all credibility the UFC belt holds. M1 will obviously grow from this fight and attract other Heavies to the organization to fight for the REAL title. 2-3 years from now its M1 who is the premier organization for MMA heavywieghts and now the UFC is faced with a problem. Try and compete, try and buy them out. Since their Heavy division is #1, their other divisions will grow also just from the publicity factor. This is all because Dana White co-promoted an event with them when he never had to. Dana White would be looked at as a fucking idiot and most likely be fired. Remember he represents the interests of the UFC, he doesn't own the UFC. He has a responsibility to the Fertittas first, and then to the fighters and then to the fans.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Dana would never co-promote an event with M-1. It wouldn't be as drastic as you are making it out to be (BewareofDawg)... but because M-1 would just be leaching off of the success and publicity of the UFC. M-1 would be the only org getting anything out of it. Of course they want to Co-Promote with the UFC. They stand to gain a lot from it, while the UFC would be shooting themselves in the foot. M-1 would obviously grow, and the UFC wouldn't lose any business as the UFC is always going to be huge in MMA, but they would have just given their competitor a nice jump start to success.

Also, I have absolutely no interest in seeing Fedor vs Nog again... ever.

[BewareofDawg]

Dana would never co-promote an event with M-1. It wouldn't be as drastic as you are making it out to be (BewareofDawg)... but because M-1 would just be leaching off of the success and publicity of the UFC. M-1 would be the only org getting anything out of it. Of course they want to Co-Promote with the UFC. They stand to gain a lot from it, while the UFC would be shooting themselves in the foot. M-1 would obviously grow, and the UFC wouldn't lose any business as the UFC is always going to be huge in MMA, but they would have just given their competitor a nice jump start to success.

Also, I have absolutely no interest in seeing Fedor vs Nog again... ever.
I overexaggerated to make a point more clear. Its unlikely, but that scenario is definitely possible. I don't know the financial position M1 is in but they have Fedor...who brings a huge fan base in Russia and Japan. Couture, Barnett, AA, Sylvia could all be out of the UFC soon and free agents. UFC co-promoting and introducing this Org to the US fanbase could have drastic consequences for them.

[ufoalf]

Dana brought fighters like Chuck to Pride why not co-promote to make a major fight like this, this is why I'm not a fan of Dana.

Umm, yeah... Cause thats spreading the word ABOUT UFC to the Japanese.

[Goose]

White is holding back the whole sport of mixed martial arts, these business men assholes already made more money than they need to retire, yet they still want more.
Just make the damn fight happen.....couture should go to Elite XC and see if showtime would make this happen, and im sure they would more than gladly

[AJAX]

He has to wait till his contract expires in oct...that's old news

[Sundance]

Great as Randy is, the clock is ticking and he's not fighting anyone - sort if f*** out!

[AJAX]

Grandstanding. Fedor knows Dana won't respond. Dana is trying to make Fedor look shit, Fedor is trying to say he thinks the fights can realistically be made. Both of them know deep down they're wrong.

Fedor should have known there might be a bit of a problem if you decide to sign with an org that has no other fighters in it. Then call out guys that are in an org he decided against:-(, so now what Fedor?....back to the grocery isle:good

[Dostoevsky]

Fedor should have known there might be a bit of a problem if you decide to sign with an org that has no other fighters in it. Then call out guys that are in an org he decided against:-(, so now what Fedor?....back to the grocery isle:good
Exactly, what he's doing is the equivalent of the New York Yankees going to play in Japan and being champions and then calling every team in the MLB out!
Its absurd, he runs off to an org with no fighters at all and then he jumps up and down challenging the UFC fighters :lol:
He knows the UFC could never cross promote with another org so of course he calls everyone out.

If Fedor really wanted to fight good worthy fighters he should have went to fight in the UFC.

[truepwrz]

Exactly, what he's doing is the equivalent of the New York Yankees going to play in Japan and being champions and then calling every team in the MLB out!
Its absurd, he runs off to an org with no fighters at all and then he jumps up and down challenging the UFC fighters :lol:
He knows the UFC could never cross promote with another org so of course he calls everyone out.

If Fedor really wanted to fight good worthy fighters he should have went to fight in the UFC.

screw you and your fedor hating ass

first of all, fighters go where money lands i bet if you were you him you woulda done the exact same thing

second of all, i highly doubt fedor knows ufc doesnt co promote becuz pridefc co promotes when suitable

[LONE WOLF]

Hypothetical:

Dana co-promotes with M1 a Nog/Fedor fight. At the same time, behind the scenes M1 is in negotiations with AA and Sylvia, Couture and maybe even Barnett. Fedor destroys Nog and re-establishes himself as the #1 Heavy at the same time kills all credibility the UFC belt holds. M1 will obviously grow from this fight and attract other Heavies to the organization to fight for the REAL title. 2-3 years from now its M1 who is the premier organization for MMA heavywieghts and now the UFC is faced with a problem. Try and compete, try and buy them out. Since their Heavy division is #1, their other divisions will grow also just from the publicity factor. This is all because Dana White co-promoted an event with them when he never had to. Dana White would be looked at as a fucking idiot and most likely be fired. Remember he represents the interests of the UFC, he doesn't own the UFC. He has a responsibility to the Fertittas first, and then to the fighters and then to the fans.

I totally agree. White doesn't want to co-promote because he knows his fighters are likely to lose to Fedor. Nog would lose to Fedor again, and Cotoure would probably too (i mean come on, the dude is like 46 and Fedor is Fedor). So it's a lose-lose situation for Dana. I am sure that if the odds were in favor of Fedor losing, then it would be easier to make these fights happen.

[AJAX]

or maybe why would Dana support M1 with publicity when M1 doesn't have any other fighters in it? They signed Fedor in hopes he would beat cans and make them popular...i'm not sure it's going to work out for them considering their paying Fedor between 1-2 mill per fight. For that matter will M1 last depending on Fedor fighting....uhhh ...cans?...time will tell.

[Dostoevsky]

screw you and your fedor hating ass

first of all, fighters go where money lands i bet if you were you him you woulda done the exact same thing

second of all, i highly doubt fedor knows ufc doesnt co promote becuz pridefc co promotes when suitable

Fedor was offered more money to go in the UFC than anywhere else, Fedor admitted this in an interview. Of course Fedor knows the UFC doesn't co-promote. You think he's stupid?

[Koa]

Nah, he's old school Russian. That means, most likely that Dana White represents the scum of the earth to him.. Basically fat ass American, who eats too many burgers, talks too much shit and backs it up with empty threats.

Get out, meet some Russians. Cool people.

[ufoalf]

Fedor was offered more money to go in the UFC than anywhere else, Fedor admitted this in an interview. Of course Fedor knows the UFC doesn't co-promote. You think he's stupid?

Are you fucking serious? You're a joke bro. You keep repeating same BS that you already been told is wrong multiple times.

[truepwrz]

Fedor was offered more money to go in the UFC than anywhere else, Fedor admitted this in an interview. Of course Fedor knows the UFC doesn't co-promote. You think he's stupid?

if ufc was as great as you said and fedor is as worthless as you claimed then wouldnt it be great for the ufc champion to kick fedors ass and officially be known as the greatest mma org?

fedor was going to sign until the issue of sambo came out and i will repeat again the only way fedor gets famous in russia is thru m-1 or sambo which ufc doesnt allow either, even if i was ufc champion i would want to be famous in my homeland

[Dostoevsky]

if ufc was as great as you said and fedor is as worthless as you claimed then wouldnt it be great for the ufc champion to kick fedors ass and officially be known as the greatest mma org?

fedor was going to sign until the issue of sambo came out and i will repeat again the only way fedor gets famous in russia is thru m-1 or sambo which ufc doesnt allow either, even if i was ufc champion i would want to be famous in my homeland
:roll:

Fedor is already famous in Russia, he won't be famous at all in any country if he sticks with M1.
If he bacame famous in Russia through a Japanese company in Pride why wouldn't he become famous in Russia through an American company in the UFC? Huh? :nut

That arguement doesn't make sense.

[truepwrz]

:roll:

Fedor is already famous in Russia, he won't be famous at all in any country if he sticks with M1.
If he bacme famous in Russia through a Japanese company in Pride why wouldn't he become famous in Russia through an American company in the UFC? Huh? :nut

That arguement doesn't make sense.

pridefc is way more world famous than ufc and m-1 is pretty much a russion org. of course he gets more famous thru those 2, not to mention sambo competitons in russia is like judo in japan, i bet you 10 japanese people will know a judo player over a ufc fighter

[ufoalf]

Fedor is already famous in Russia, he won't be famous at all in any country if he sticks with M1.
He's not famous in Russia at all. He's well known by guys who follow combat sports. He's only beginning to become famous. MMA is not popular in Russia. Fedor is trying to make it a national sport. Get over yourself.

[Dostoevsky]

He's not famous in Russia at all. He's well known by guys who follow combat sports. He's only beginning to become famous. MMA is not popular in Russia. Fedor is trying to make it a national sport. Get over yourself.

My point still applies, maybe he isn't that famous but I don't see how he would have a better chance of being more famous in a Japanese organization than in an American one.

[ufoalf]

M-1 isn't japanese.

[Dostoevsky]

Well he garnered the vast majority of his fame and fortune in Pride.

[ufoalf]

Well he garnered the vast majority of his fame and fortune in Pride.

Ok.

[scurlaruntings]

Duke your losing this argument mate BWA HA HA HA.. Ooo that was quite ammusing to read.

[Dostoevsky]

Duke your losing this argument mate BWA HA HA HA.. Ooo that was quite ammusing to read.

No not really, you always side against me when it comes down to Fedor/UFC discussions as you're a known UFC hater while I'm quite receptive to the UFC. Of course you feel I'm losing the arguement.

[truepwrz]

Well he garnered the vast majority of his fame and fortune in Pride.

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ufc wont give him half the popularity sambo gives him

[Polymath]

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ufc wont give him half the popularity sambo gives him

Iron Duke is pretty much a troll. Ignore him.

[truepwrz]

Iron Duke is pretty much a troll. Ignore him.

you know at first i didnt like how you just insulted him but i guess its smarter than trying to reason with him

[Beebs]

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ufc wont give him half the popularity sambo gives him

What the fuck?

How many people watch combat sambo?

How many people could watch combat sambo if they wanted?

[Beebs]

if ufc was as great as you said and fedor is as worthless as you claimed then wouldnt it be great for the ufc champion to kick fedors ass and officially be known as the greatest mma org?

fedor was going to sign until the issue of sambo came out and i will repeat again the only way fedor gets famous in russia is thru m-1 or sambo which ufc doesnt allow either, even if i was ufc champion i would want to be famous in my homeland

Bullshit, Fedor had dinner with Putin, not through M1 either.

[ufoalf]

Here's one fact for you. People like Kovalchuk, Kirilenko, Fedorov w/e russian athletes that come to America are not exactly popular amongst Russians. Those that doN'T play for the national team are regarded traitors for the lack of a better word. This is exactly what would've happened to Fedor.

Now tell me what do you feel about this fact?

[Koa]

Most of these guys have likely never been outside the U.S.

Might not be capable of contemplating such a thing.

[Beebs]

Here's one fact for you. People like Kovalchuk, Kirilenko, Fedorov w/e russian athletes that come to America are not exactly popular amongst Russians. Those that doN'T play for the national team are regarded traitors for the lack of a better word. This is exactly what would've happened to Fedor.

Now tell me what do you feel about this fact?

So was Fedor treated that way for every fight in his career except 3?

Not to mention alot, if not most, M1 fights will be in the US.

Its not a valid argument in this case.

[ufoalf]

So was Fedor treated that way for every fight in his career except 3?

Not to mention alot, if not most, M1 fights will be in the US.

Its not a valid argument in this case.
You're missing a point. The fact that he holds on to the fact that he is Russian, supports Russian sport, etc. and he is NOT a sell out will put him in the whole another category. It is the only valid argument on the subject we are talking about.

[Beebs]

You're missing a point. The fact that he holds on to the fact that he is Russian, supports Russian sport, etc. and he is NOT a sell out will put him in the whole another category. It is the only valid argument on the subject we are talking about.

So he was a sellout when he fought for Pride in the US, or Pride in general?

[ufoalf]

So he was a sellout when he fought for Pride in the US, or Pride in general?

He could still support/compete in Russian sport in Russia for Russia.

[sugarngold]

This whole discussion boils down to the fact that Dana White knows the average MMA fan (IE: they watch TUF) has no idea who Fedor is and he has no intention of promoting a fighter he does not have exclusive control over. The old adage is that when you're number one there is no number two.

My understanding of Fedor's reluctance to enter the UFC is due to the exclusivity contract. Fedor believes (and possibly rightly so - but I;m not his accountant) that he earns more from his appearances in the various venues including Sambo and MMA than he would earn from a UFC contract.

[Beebs]

He could still support/compete in Russian sport in Russia for Russia.

Fair enough, but I don't buy the sambo thing as a real problem in the UFC negotiations, if it is then I guess I'm wrong.

[ufoalf]

Fair enough, but I don't buy the sambo thing as a real problem in the UFC negotiations, if it is then I guess I'm wrong.
It is not essential per se. But this discussiong turned towards "famous" aspect of this whole deal. Thats why Im bringing this Sambo part up. I don't know Fedor personally but if he's anything patriotic(which i think he is) it would be a solid downside in the contract negotiations.

He DEFINITELY doesn't earn shit from Sambo. He competes in Sambo purely for the reason of raising the sport and he loves doing what he does.

His contract moneywise is at least as good as UFC's I remember rumors going around at about 1.5mil(something around there) at the time. Than the new offer from M-1 came which was 2mil with comfortable contract clauses. On paper the contract looked great. He could fight any champion from any org. Get good money for it. Still be a Russian hero, etc.

In reality Zuffa's is not gona let him fight anyone they own which is probably 90% of the best HW out there.

[Dostoevsky]

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ufc wont give him half the popularity sambo gives him

Doubtful, have you seen the Sambo competition videos? Look how many people are in the stands, they are empty.
Look at what is recording the fights, homemade camcorders, doesn't look like a proffessional TV station broadcast to me.

I think you are seriously over exaggerating the popularity of combat sambo.

[curmudgeon]

I think you are seriously over exaggerating the popularity of combat sambo.
It does not matter. This is what he loves to do, and he is right not to give a flying fuck about opinionated fans in a foreign country.

[Beebs]

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ufc wont give him half the popularity sambo gives him

Are you fucking serious?

he was watched by millions in pride, he was watched by dozens in Sambo. Shit, how many people know who the number 2-5 Combat Sambo athletes in the world are? How many can name 1 other one even?

I'm not demeaning Sambo, but the attention payed to Sambo is nonexistent in relation to the the attention paid to MMA.

[ufoalf]

Yea, like I said. It's not about the popularity contest here. It's about the principle.

[Beebs]

No argument there, but his claim was assinine.

[ufoalf]

No argument there, but his claim was assinine.

Pretty much.