Jean Marc Mormeck v David Haye

[andyZOR]

What does JMM have to do to win? I seen a lot of people here and by the looks of things people say Haye will knock him out. What does Mormeck have to do in order to beat Haye? Does Mormeck have a good chance, slim chance, or basically no chance at all v Haye? Haye has a great punch....he destroyed my man Bonin. Left him on the canvas 3 times in round 1. I knew Haye would win... but not that early.... It shows that he is really the real deal in Future Boxing. Anyways...could Jean Marc Mormeck beat Haye?

[andyZOR]

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[The Kurgan]

Mormeck's best bet would be a combination of staying outside of Haye's reach except when he's attacking. When he attacks, he should use head movement and rush in, aiming at the body. Haye is not a great clincher, so Mormeck should look to keep the action in close as often as possible. When he isn't in close, he needs to be AWAY from Haye in order to stay out of Haye's power range.

Haye has become a bit of a counter-puncher. He doesn't force the action much. Mormeck should try to be the better ring general, like he was in the second Bell fight. In the middle rounds, he should try to reap the harvest of his body work and just go all out the moment Haye goes to sleep for a second.

Haye, on the other hand, should try to box off of his jab, paying attention to his defense, and only fire when he's attacked. He has more options, in that I think he could both out-point Mormeck or knock him out. If he hurts Mormeck with a counter before the 6th round, he should really look to take advantage. I think Haye could stop Mormeck in the early, but if he goes into the second half of the fight he should concentrate on picking up rounds and getting a decision.

I don't think either man will be able to knock the other out in the later rounds, so this fight will be more or less decided in the first 10 rounds. Whoever has the edge on points going into the 11th will win... If it goes that far. I would expect either Haye to TKO Mormeck in the early rounds or Mormeck to TKO Haye in the middle roumds.

I'm very excited about this fight, because these are two of my favourite boxers today. I'll be rooting for Haye, but I've been following Mormeck for ages now... I'm predicting a FOTY candidate.

[andyZOR]

Great, great post. Good info that I was looking for. Im also looking forward to this fight... Ever since Adamek came to this new division....ive been watching more and more of it. Seen most of them fight already..

I am really looking forward to this fight.

[The Kurgan]

Great, great post. Good info that I was looking for. Im also looking forward to this fight... Ever since Adamek came to this new division....ive been watching more and more of it. Seen most of them fight already..

I am really looking forward to this fight.

Cruiserweight is the new heavyweight. Currently, I'd say it's way more exciting, with more exciting fighters and bigger fights being made. Haye, Mormeck, Bell and Wilson are a ridiculously strong top 4. Perhaps not the best top 4 in all the divisions, but by far the most exciting. All could beat each other; all have massive KO power and huge hearts.

Adamek settling at cruiserweight shows how much credibility it's acquiring.

[*BOX_FAN*]

Mormeck must make Haye hell and don't get hit too much for about 8 rounds and survive the last 4 round due to his weak stamina - a lot of clinching would be good :D . Then he waits for decision :hey . But it will be very difficult to do this during the night. Anyway I hope they show good brawl.

[andyZOR]

Cruiserweight is the new heavyweight. Currently, I'd say it's way more exciting, with more exciting fighters and bigger fights being made. Haye, Mormeck, Bell and Wilson are a ridiculously strong top 4. Perhaps not the best top 4 in all the divisions, but by far the most exciting. All could beat each other; all have massive KO power and huge hearts.

Adamek settling at cruiserweight shows how much credibility it's acquiring.

Yea... Im starting to like more and more of Cruiserweight. I think I will be rooting for Mormeck to beat Haye tho. It will be a great fight. I cant fucking wait.

[chewy 22]

Haye. Mormecks chin is over rated.

[Cookie]

I think this could be the next big victory for a British fighter. Mormeck seems to tire quite easily in fights. He's a tough guy and will often motor on. But he does look spent. If he does that against Haye he's going to get fucking starched.

[andyZOR]

Thx all for this research. Im sticking to Mormeck for the win.

[achillesthegreat]

It's all over for Mormeck. Haye is going to go through him as he walks up to heavyweight. Haye is going to put that jab on him and as soon as a punch finds a home Mormecks senses are going to betray him. He is going to have an outter body experience. It will consist of his soul leaving his body, looking back at his body and thinking 'stop fucking doing the harlem shake in Paris'!

JMM is getting knocked the fuck out!

[chewy 22]

i agree. You need a better defence than Mormecks to stop Hayes attack. :good

[Fitir]

Very difficult to make a prediction. I am surprised so many guys say "Haye by KO" without a doubt.
Haye knows how to hype himseld, he says many things but I don't think he is so confident. Even if he has improved fighting Mormeck is France is not fighting Fragomeni in the UK. Haye never defeated a top 10 at cruiser and he was stopped by the only top 15 he fought. He is better than his record tells but it's a fact he never fought the elite boxers of his division.
Haye will have to take some punishment. It's unlikely Mormeck crumbles after one punch : watch how many shots Bell needed to floor Mormeck who had been exhausted after 6 round... Bell can also KO a guy with one punch.
Mormeck is past it but he has still a few good rounds in the tank and his skills are underrated. If you really think he is not skilled enough to land a few shots on Haye watch how he managed to cut the ring to tag tall technicians with proven skills like Virgil Hill who has a great jab and footwork, Brown or Braithwaite. He is no Brudov or Bell who were schooled and counterpunched by Hill or Brown. Mormeck has sparred with the best (Jones, Hall, Mayfield...), he has been trained by the best (Germain, Giachetti) and he has fought the best boxers of his division who had very different kind of styles.
Haye is young , confident, he hits hard and he has a good chance but Mormeck is by far his biggest test in career. There are still questions about Haye : were Mock and Thompson accidents ? Is he powerful enough to keek Mormeck at bay ? Saying Mormeck is a warm up before a move at HW is great but he will have to prove that in the ring. Mormeck won't come to lose, Giachetti will prepare a match plan and Haye will have to prove his heart if he wants the win.
Another thing : Haye probably wants to build his confidence but talking trash is stupid with Mormeck. It won't impress the experienced guy and it could even give him the killing instinct he lacks. Mormeck won't talk trash. He is not naturally a killer but he had said what Braithwaite had told about him had helped him to find the aggressivity in the ring.

[MancMexican]

I like Mormeck but he won't be able to take Haye's punches and he will be hit. The more important question is, can Haye take Mormeck's?

[Ding]

Very difficult to make a prediction. I am surprised so many guys say "Haye by KO" without a doubt.
Haye knows how to hype himseld, he says many things but I don't think he is so confident. Even if he has improved fighting Mormeck is France is not fighting Fragomeni in the UK. Haye never defeated a top 10 at cruiser and he was stopped by the only top 15 he fought. He is better than his record tells but it's a fact he never fought the elite boxers of his division.
Haye will have to take some punishment. It's unlikely Mormeck crumbles after one punch : watch how many shots Bell needed to floor Mormeck who had been exhausted after 6 round... Bell can also KO a guy with one punch.
Mormeck is past it but he has still a few good rounds in the tank and his skills are underrated. If you really think he is not skilled enough to land a few shots on Haye watch how he managed to cut the ring to tag tall technicians with proven skills like Virgil Hill who has a great jab and footwork, Brown or Braithwaite. He is no Brudov or Bell who were schooled and counterpunched by Hill or Brown. Mormeck has sparred with the best (Jones, Hall, Mayfield...), he has been trained by the best (Germain, Giachetti) and he has fought the best boxers of his division who had very different kind of styles.
Haye is young , confident, he hits hard and he has a good chance but Mormeck is by far his biggest test in career. There are still questions about Haye : were Mock and Thompson accidents ? Is he powerful enough to keek Mormeck at bay ? Saying Mormeck is a warm up before a move at HW is great but he will have to prove that in the ring. Mormeck won't come to lose, Giachetti will prepare a match plan and Haye will have to prove his heart if he wants the win.
Another thing : Haye probably wants to build his confidence but talking trash is stupid with Mormeck. It won't impress the experienced guy and it could even give him the killing instinct he lacks. Mormeck won't talk trash. He is not naturally a killer but he had said what Braithwaite had told about him had helped him to find the aggressivity in the ring.


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[fightking12]

He could win by keeping alway from Haye power use the jab and push him back.

[chewy 22]

Mormeck has gassed severly the last few fight, too much muscle mass. i defintely think Haye is the better boxer of the two, better footwork, world class amatuer, Mormeck wings his shots, open to counters, he has been stopped before. Thats all im saying...

[David UK]

Haye early stoppage, then moves up to be the new face at Heavy

[Goose]

Mormeck should win this by KAYO

[flem1]

Mormeck by TKO 7

[WhataRock]

Haye is a great offensive talent but I really feel any decent fighter with a punch who can take the early outslaught is a 50-50 shot of stopping him late.

Mormeck has a pretty good chin, maybe not good enough to last it with Haye but he is a live chance of stopping Haye late.

Interesting fight because both have glaring weaknesses.

[achillesthegreat]

Very difficult to make a prediction. I am surprised so many guys say "Haye by KO" without a doubt.
Haye knows how to hype himseld, he says many things but I don't think he is so confident. Even if he has improved fighting Mormeck is France is not fighting Fragomeni in the UK. Haye never defeated a top 10 at cruiser and he was stopped by the only top 15 he fought. He is better than his record tells but it's a fact he never fought the elite boxers of his division.
Haye will have to take some punishment. It's unlikely Mormeck crumbles after one punch : watch how many shots Bell needed to floor Mormeck who had been exhausted after 6 round... Bell can also KO a guy with one punch.
Mormeck is past it but he has still a few good rounds in the tank and his skills are underrated. If you really think he is not skilled enough to land a few shots on Haye watch how he managed to cut the ring to tag tall technicians with proven skills like Virgil Hill who has a great jab and footwork, Brown or Braithwaite. He is no Brudov or Bell who were schooled and counterpunched by Hill or Brown. Mormeck has sparred with the best (Jones, Hall, Mayfield...), he has been trained by the best (Germain, Giachetti) and he has fought the best boxers of his division who had very different kind of styles.
Haye is young , confident, he hits hard and he has a good chance but Mormeck is by far his biggest test in career. There are still questions about Haye : were Mock and Thompson accidents ? Is he powerful enough to keek Mormeck at bay ? Saying Mormeck is a warm up before a move at HW is great but he will have to prove that in the ring. Mormeck won't come to lose, Giachetti will prepare a match plan and Haye will have to prove his heart if he wants the win.
Another thing : Haye probably wants to build his confidence but talking trash is stupid with Mormeck. It won't impress the experienced guy and it could even give him the killing instinct he lacks. Mormeck won't talk trash. He is not naturally a killer but he had said what Braithwaite had told about him had helped him to find the aggressivity in the ring.
Haye doesn't have confidence issues. In fact it appears he is very content.

Haye has beaten numerous top10 cruisers. Fragemoni and Gurov were top 10. I think Kelly was as well.

Hayes chin obviously isn't legendary. He can be hurt but mainly that is because of poor defence, ballance, stamina etc All appear to be rectified so his chin isn't as suspect. Much like Lewis and Hearns.

Look at the hell Gurov put Mormeck through. ONE punch is all it took Haye.

It's over, Haye is turning Mormeck into French Fries.

[*BOX_FAN*]

If Haye wins will he go to heavyweight or stay in cruiser ?
Haye KO 7

[Smith]

If Haye wins will he go to heavyweight or stay in cruiser ?
Haye KO 7

I he wins i think the word is he'll have one or two defences at cruiser (which i very much doubt, i think he'll just go up to Heavy anyway)

[Snorkel]

The only way I can really see this going is Haye by stoppage.

Haye's got the edge in nearly every department as far as I can see; he's bigger, quicker, stronger and has a more rounded skill set. I think he can win by trading power shots or by working off the jab and going for the points win while Mormeck's best chance is to catch him with a peach of a shot.

That said, I think Haye's chin is being overstated as a weakness. He hasn't been down for ages nor has he looked particularly troubled when taking good shots. I know the fighters he's fought aren't in Mormeck's class and I'm not suggesting Haye's chin is granite but I doubt he'll crumble when caught by one shot. I think his improvements in movement and more conservative, measured style will help him here and he's proven his heart isn't going to let him down either after fighting with a horrific cut against Fragomeni and pulling out the stoppage.

[Fitir]

Haye doesn't have confidence issues. In fact it appears he is very content.
Maybe Haye has no confidence issue.
Here what thinks his opponent. It is a part of an interview Mormeck gave to Grégory Protche (he told about his career, RJJ, Hill, Tyson, the business, Don King, the Acaries etc.)
2 questions about the fear and the chin. A bit unusual cause boxers usually don't want to admit that they are hurt or that they can feel anxious before a fight. It was just before the Braithwaite fight.
The fear ?
"It's more apprehension. The fear, no, cause we train for that."
A punch...it hurts ?
"Yes. I fought in Venezuela, the guy, just to watch him ! I felt bad. I didn't sleep. The guy had traumatized me without a punch. Then he touched me. He stood up, ripped... he had a face... the guys of south america, they don't have life in the eyes. The guy looks at you and you only feel aggressivity. The first punch, I was electrized. I said "Oh ! What are you doing ? Don't hit like that". You have the choice : you can be a coward, you accept the defeat to shorten the punition. Or you can bluff. I was really hurt. But he wanted to play with me in a war. I gave everything I had. He fell. Even when he was down, I wanted to give him shots to finish him. KO3. I was happy. I don't want to meet him again..."

[achillesthegreat]

Maybe Haye has no confidence issue.
Here what thinks his opponent. It is a part of an interview Mormeck gave to Grégory Protche (he told about his career, RJJ, Hill, Tyson, the business, Don King, the Acaries etc.)
2 questions about the fear and the chin. A bit unusual cause boxers usually don't want to admit that they are hurt or that they can feel anxious before a fight. It was just before the Braithwaite fight.
The fear ?
"It's more apprehension. The fear, no, cause we train for that."
A punch...it hurts ?
"Yes. I fought in Venezuela, the guy, just to watch him ! I felt bad. I didn't sleep. The guy had traumatized me without a punch. Then he touched me. He stood up, ripped... he had a face... the guys of south america, they don't have life in the eyes. The guy looks at you and you only feel aggressivity. The first punch, I was electrized. I said "Oh ! What are you doing ? Don't hit like that". You have the choice : you can be a coward, you accept the defeat to shorten the punition. Or you can bluff. I was really hurt. But he wanted to play with me in a war. I gave everything I had. He fell. Even when he was down, I wanted to give him shots to finish him. KO3. I was happy. I don't want to meet him again..."



The funny thing is Haye says - yes I can be hurt, yes I can be ko'd, this is big time boxing and one punch can change everything. When Mock hurt Haye and he did, Haye said - great, hopefully people will actually step up and fight me.

Fact is Haye pre Thompson fought like a moron and everyone knew it. I liked him because he was balls to the wall but it was dumb. He gave everyone a chance of winning, just like Wlad did once. Like Wlad he got stopped by someone who isn't in his league.

Post Thompson we are talking about a totally different animal.

I give Mormeck his props, what I say is mostly for hype. Mormeck generally fights a very corageous fight. He takes big shots and comes back with bigger ones. This won against all but Bell. Credit to him, he still warred with Mormeck then played it smart. If he didn't he would have lost. I don't blame him, I blame open scoring. He is a boxer and his job is to leave with the W, he did that.

This is a 50-50 fight. A quality boxer v a quality slugger, both have breakable chins, both can punch. Mormeck can box a bit and Haye can brawl a bit.

Generally I think Haye fights smarter and his moves are a little more polished. Plus I do think his power if frightening. When a guy survives it, it is simply because they are quite tough not because he can't punch.

[andyZOR]

I think Haye should go to Heavy. Theres no one there really... and he would really shake the division up.

[achillesthegreat]

I think Haye should go to Heavy. Theres no one there really... and he would really shake the division up.
He won't shake it, he'll bake it!