Does ANYONE envision Pavlik/Taylor going the distance?

[klion22]

I just took a look at the lines and the under for 10 1/2 rounds is only at -180. That means you win .59 cents for every dollar wagered. That seems like a great deal for a fight that will most likely end earlier.

So does anyone envision this fight going the distance?

[dan-b]

Do you know what? I think I saw some opinions with regards this in the 100 other threads we have about this fight.

[klion22]

Do you know what? I think I saw some opinions with regards this in the 100 other threads we have about this fight.

Yeah, but this is a specific question about this fight.

[psychopath]

Yes . . . that's the only way Taylor can win this one. :yep

I fucki'n lost a six months avatar bet on Taylor on the first fight . . . reason why I'm donning this stupid avatar :D . . . but I'll pick him again this time.

:hey :hi:

[KayEpps]

Don't see this fight going the distance.

[dan-b]

Yeah, but this is a specific question about this fight.

:-(

[KobeIsGod]

i got pavlik UD taylor 118-109 :nut

got a feeling taylor is gonna leave his guns in the holster and look to survive

[dan-b]

i got pavlik UD taylor 118-109 :nut

got a feeling taylor is gonna leave his guns in the holster and look to survive

No chance. Pavlik will have to absorb some punishment just like last time.

[IntentionalButt]

I try not to envision this fight at all, whenever possible, but ESB in particular makes that kind of hard sometimes. :(

:lol:

Anyway, these guys are just gimpy enough and have just enough fatal flaws between them (Pavlik with his sloppiness and Taylor with his mental bedshitting) to not manage to capitalize on each other's conquerable chins and knock one another out. Yeah, I can see it happening. I can see this being a very long and boring fight whether anyone gets knocked out or not actually. And it will most certainly get tons of "FOTY" nominations all the same by people easily impressed by a little blood and a couple of very hyped-up names.

[MasterCalzaghe]

Yeah, but this is a specific question about this fight.

And a good question it is too, don't be put off by the remarks from others.

Considering what happened last time the smart money's on Taylor actually utilizing his boxing talent rather than standing toe to toe again however that begs the question does Taylor still have the judges favor and more importantly how easily can Kelly close that gap? Taylor is no Calzaghe he can't nulify Kelly's offence but he can better him technically - by that I mean fast in and out action with alot of jabbing.

I wouldn't put money on this rematch finishing early even with those odds Taylor will be just too careful. He's going for a safe distance finish I'd wager where his stamina and Kelly's overall determination will be the deciding factor. (and as said whether the Judges still love liking his salty financially lucrative balls but I think their goose is no longer 'golden')

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

I think Pavlik stops him again probaly late 10-11 rounds, i can't see Taylor outboxing him, Kelly was outjabbing him in the 1st fight, and after the disasterous 2nd round was in control of the fight, and was basically kicking Taylors ass..
Taylor is at a huge psychological disadvantage here too knowing the guy standing in front of him KO'D him last time..:yep
Pavlik KO......:hat

[IntentionalButt]

A Calzaghe fan interested in a garbage fight like Taylor-Pavlik? :?

[pavlik fan]

I try not to envision this fight at all, whenever possible, but ESB in particular makes that kind of hard sometimes. :(

:lol:

Anyway, these guys are just gimpy enough and have just enough fatal flaws between them (Pavlik with his sloppiness and Taylor with his mental bedshitting) to not manage to capitalize on each other's conquerable chins and knock one another out. Yeah, I can see it happening. I can see this being a very long and boring fight whether anyone gets knocked out or not actually. And it will most certainly get tons of "FOTY" nominations all the same by people easily impressed by a little blood and a couple of very hyped-up names.:patsch well then.... i suggest you do not watch it or worry about it...you must be a very negative person:p

[IntentionalButt]

:patsch well then.... i suggest you do not watch it or worry about it...you must be a very negative person:p
Just aggravated by the undue hype the first fight received, especially when it was nominated for FOTY in the same year that both Vazquez-Marquez I and II took place. That still ruffles my feathers. Totally ridiculous to put it on the same level as either. And while it ballooned out of control afterwards due to the marginal 'drama' that came from both guys being in trouble at different points, the hype had actually started long before the fight took place, when the two were built up as the no-questions-asked #1 and #2 middleweights in the world...which I never bought, especially considering neither Taylor nor Pavlik ever faced a huge threat until each other.

It was okay, but nothing special. Just like both combatants involved. :yep

No reason to expect the second to be any different. Any drama going along with this fight is created in the minds of Pavlik fanboys and Taylor fanboys. Objective, hype-immune boxing fans should care very little about this when there isn't even any title or weight division status on the line.

[ChampionsForever]

Just aggravated by the undue hype the first fight received, especially when it was nominated for FOTY in the same year that both Vazquez-Marquez I and II took place. That still ruffles my feathers. Totally ridiculous to put it on the same level as either. And while it ballooned out of control afterwards due to the marginal 'drama' that came from both guys being in trouble at different points, the hype had actually started long before the fight took place, when the two were built up as the no-questions-asked #1 and #2 middleweights in the world...which I never bought, especially considering neither Taylor nor Pavlik ever faced a huge threat until each other.

It was okay, but nothing special. Just like both combatants involved. :yep

No reason to expect the second to be any different. Any drama going along with this fight is created in the minds of Pavlik fanboys and Taylor fanboys. Objective, hype-immune boxing fans should care very little about this when there isn't even any title or weight division status on the line.

You don't consider Edison Miranda a huge threat?? or Bernard Hopkins?? how about Winky Wright??

[dan-b]

especially considering neither Taylor nor Pavlik ever faced a huge threat until each other

Apart from Taylor facing Hopkins twice of course.

[ChampionsForever]

On the subject I dont think this fight has a very realistic chance of going the full 12, Taylor was getting nailed with too many hard shots, Pavlik closes him down so well, he was landing the jab at will, and Taylor keeps he's left hand way too low for a guy whos facing Pavlik and that straight right hand of he's.

I expect a knockout again, Taylor has little chance in this fight, if he boxes him he will lose and if he slugs it out he will lose even worse.

Pavlik TKO...

[MasterCalzaghe]

Hopkins was a fraud who beat on two named midgets and no namers for 20 defences until Jermain came along 'skooled' him.

Twice. :rofl

[dan-b]

Hopkins was a fraud who beat on two named midgets and no namers for 20 defences until Jermain came along 'skooled' him.

Twice. :rofl

Cunt.:good

[MasterCalzaghe]

'word'.

[dan-b]

'word'.

You're more confused than scooby doo. You give the impression of some sad old, wifeless man who is trying to act young. No-one says "word" in this country. You're a buffoon.

[Toney]

i got pavlik UD taylor 118-109 :nut

got a feeling taylor is gonna leave his guns in the holster and look to survive
I feel the same way. Taylor might very well be very defencive and get outworked. Why? Another KO lose and taylor´s career might be over? A points lose and he still makes noise at super middeweight. This might very well be like Tarver vs. Jones 3.

[Thor]

Nope, somebody is going down.

[MasterCalzaghe]

I'll hedge my bets on a full distance fight because if anyone's going down it's going to be Taylor.

[IntentionalButt]

You don't consider Edison Miranda a huge threat?? or Bernard Hopkins?? how about Winky Wright??

Taylor's youth and athleticism was enough to stay competitive enough with lazy slow-motion versions of Hopkins and Wright - who were in no way shape or form KO threats - to possibly eke out a close decision, or at least non-loss, which he did.

I don't buy the theory that Pavlik simply backed Miranda up and won the mental game, case closed. The guy was weight-drained, or affected by something, from the very beginning of round 1. I just don't buy that Pavlik pulled some jedi mind trick on him by sticking to his "back him up" gameplan. Pavlik did a fine job taking advantage, don't get me wrong, but it just does not jive. An injured Abraham managed to put plenty of hard punches in Miranda's face, and Miranda didn't suddenly freak out and break down or forget how to take a forward step. You might respond that Pavlik's power is much greater than Abraham's - that I don't really buy either until they face some more common opposition. Pavlik pounded on Miranda for several rounds before putting him away. It's all part of the smoke-and-mirrors myth built up behind him that makes him seem a monster coming out of that fight. On that night Miranda would have lost to Willie Gibbs or David Banks. That isn't to say Pavlik didn't execute the Pavlik fight well, he did - that's why it was such a merciless beating. But it was a merciless, one-sided beating. Miranda barely even fought back. He was in NO way a threat to Pavlik, except for having the potential dumb luck of a stray hail-mary landing on Pavlik's non-adamantium whiskers.

[IntentionalButt]

Apart from Taylor facing Hopkins twice of course.
As I said, Taylor had the tools to take advantage of Hopkins lethargy and keep it competitive enough to leave it in the judges' hands. Hopkins didn't do all he could have to win, so it's his own fault. Old Hopkins cutting down to middle certainly was never a KO threat against a young, athletic opponent. Maybe if Taylor had a china chin, but as we know he doesn't. He has a "decent but crackable" one.

[MasterCalzaghe]

Yeah but Hopkins was also afraid of getting KTFO by Taylor it wasn't just age or workrate! Did you see both their matches? Sure he gave some nice combo's at times but Taylor had some vicious comeback punches that even a known counter punche like Nard had trouble with them, he was afraid

[dan-b]

Yeah but Hopkins was also afraid of getting KTFO by Taylor it wasn't just age or workrate! Did you see both their matches? Sure he gave some nice combo's at times but Taylor had some vicious comeback punches that even a known counter punche like Nard had trouble with them, he was afraid

Can I bite your nose off?

[MasterCalzaghe]

Can I bite your nose off?

No. But feel free to kiss my arse come April 19th :deal

[dan-b]

No. But feel free to kiss my arse come April 19th :deal

Answer me this. Why do you come on here? It would seem your sole existance is to try & provoke a reaction out of Hopkins fans. Bit sad really.

[maciek4]

I think it will go the distance this time. Taylor will try to win rounds with his quickness and if he senses that PAvlik is winning rounds he will go into survival mode this time and hope for the judges to give him a gift.

[victor879]

Noway this fight goes the distance.

Unless Taylor starts running for his life, I would be very shocked to see this fight go 12.

No professional fighter has ever been the 10th round against Kelly Pavlik.

[UMRichRod]

No...Taylor stops him.

[Sebastien]

Pavlik stops him...

Pavlik is such a good finisher + keeps his power throughout the fight (because he's so relaxed and doesn't waste motion). You rarely see such poise. He notices the guy is hurt and doesn't let him escape.

Moreover, Jermain doesn't circle the ring too well and will repeatedly get driven to the ropes. There's no way he'll be able to run 12 rounds.

[McManama]

I don't think Pavlik has ever seen anyone past the 10th, No one can take his assault for that long. The only boxer around his weight I see going 12 rounds with him would be Calzaghe.

[pipe wrenched]

Taylor's youth and athleticism was enough to stay competitive enough with lazy slow-motion versions of Hopkins and Wright - who were in no way shape or form KO threats - to possibly eke out a close decision, or at least non-loss, which he did.

I don't buy the theory that Pavlik simply backed Miranda up and won the mental game, case closed. The guy was weight-drained, or affected by something, from the very beginning of round 1. I just don't buy that Pavlik pulled some jedi mind trick on him by sticking to his "back him up" gameplan. Pavlik did a fine job taking advantage, don't get me wrong, but it just does not jive. An injured Abraham managed to put plenty of hard punches in Miranda's face, and Miranda didn't suddenly freak out and break down or forget how to take a forward step. You might respond that Pavlik's power is much greater than Abraham's - that I don't really buy either until they face some more common opposition. Pavlik pounded on Miranda for several rounds before putting him away. It's all part of the smoke-and-mirrors myth built up behind him that makes him seem a monster coming out of that fight. On that night Miranda would have lost to Willie Gibbs or David Banks. That isn't to say Pavlik didn't execute the Pavlik fight well, he did - that's why it was such a merciless beating. But it was a merciless, one-sided beating. Miranda barely even fought back. He was in NO way a threat to Pavlik, except for having the potential dumb luck of a stray hail-mary landing on Pavlik's non-adamantium whiskers.

Horse Shit:deal . What are you Pantera2000 in disguise??:think Not to mention Miranda's dumb luck of landing 4-5 in a row hail-mary haymakers on Pavlik. (Round 5 I believe, near the bell) Miranda barely fought back??!!!! WTF were you watching? Round 2 for example was insane back and forth action.

[IntentionalButt]

Horse Shit:deal . What are you Pantera2000 in disguise??:think Not to mention Miranda's dumb luck of landing 4-5 in a row hail-mary haymakers on Pavlik. (Round 5 I believe, near the bell) Miranda barely fought back??!!!! WTF were you watching? Round 2 for example was insane back and forth action.
Back and forth due to Pavlik's shaky defense if anything. The fight was Pavlik's to control and win at his leisure. Miranda wasn't a threat to my grandmother that night. After round one, was there any doubt in your mind as to the outcome? I was slightly pulling for EM and gave him zero chance after the first couple of rounds. By that point I was immensely bored with the fight, it was like watching a cat with a half-dead mouse. It was only a question of how long before something of Miranda's gave out, and whether that something would be his chin or his stamina. Pavlik did not have to overcome any adversity other than his own nerves. He gave a spirited effort that was not required. Had he simply hit the brakes a little he would have won a lopsided UD or scored a slightly later stoppage, but he decided to break a sweat and make it interesting by pounding his man into submission. Good for him, good for his fans. But it was an easy night's work.

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

You're more confused than scooby doo. You give the impression of some sad old, wifeless man who is trying to act young. No-one says "word" in this country. You're a buffoon.
What's a buffon? seriously Dan B think hard about betting on Taylor if you plan to do so he's going to have a lot of problems dealing with Pavliks Power..:-(

[RafaelGonzal]

I could see it, but he has to put the on the track suit and jab while putting us all to sleep, or he can come to fight and get KTFO.

[klion22]

I could see it, but he has to put the on the track suit and jab while putting us all to sleep, or he can come to fight and get KTFO.

That pretty much sums it up IMO. Will JT come to fight or will JT come in with the mindset that he will box for 12 rounds? I personally think that JT doesn't have it in him to box for 12 rounds as he has too much of the dog mentality in him but no one can predict the future. I guess that's why gambling isn't a sure thing. You think you know but you really don't.

I'm still rooting for JT to win as i like the guy but Pavlik seems like he's the real deal.

[Benitoj3]

if it goes the distance pavlik ud with taylor hitting floor,and showing more grit, *barring robbery, but highly unlikely with the dynamite pavlik has in those gloves. total repeat of the last fight. pavlik overcoming early onslaught and taylor ko'd in 5-8 rds

[huki]

I agree with the guy who said Taylor has too much of that dog mentality Emmanuel Steward talks about not to get into exchanges with Pavlik. Plus, he isn't an intelligent fighter to begin with and he doesn't have the stamina to outbox Pavlik for more than half a fight.

[knockout]

Naw someone is getting knocked out.

[Farmboxer]

Taylor knows the judges and ref will be on his side, so I think he will run like Hell knowing all he has to do is be standing for a decision win, whether he deserves it or not, however, Pavlik will catch him before the 12 round, perhaps mid rounds. Pavlik will have to fight the ref, judges and commentators, but should still win in spite of them.

[booradley]

This fight will not go the distance.

Taylor seems to be okay mentally, but seems to be verses really and truly okay could be worlds apart. If JT is emotonally traumatized, so he comes in and fights scared and tenative, he will will get blown out in 2 or 3 rounds. A frightened fighter could not survive Pavlik's gunslinger style for more than 3 rounds. Kelly would smell the fear before the first bell sounded.

Taylor is not good enough defensively to outbox Pavlik for 12 rounds. He can win rounds that way, but he cannot win the fight based on good technical boxing. Pavlik will still land that stiff ass jab of his, and that is the money punch; that's the punch that sets up the right hand. Once he finds a home for the right hand, be it the head or the body, he will knock Taylor out. If JT works really hard at good solid technical boxing, he will make it into the 10th or 11th round, and may even be ahead on the cards, but Pavlik will knock him out inside 11 rounds.

JT has given a variety of indications that he is betting the ranch on recreating round 2 of the first fight. He has said, "I almost had him out of there," among other things, dozens of times. I honestly believe that the mostly likely scenario is that Jermain will come out at the opening bell with guns blazin'. Kelly will still win round one like he did in the first fight, but this time he will not clown Taylor, so there will be no round 2 type debacle. That means we get treated to a slightly less exciting, and slightly shorter version of Pavlik/Taylor I. Pavlik KO5 Taylor.

Boo

[Farmboxer]

I think Taylor should have had a tune-up fight first and should have stayed with Steward.

[liljp361]

No I dont see it going the distance. If it does go the distance I think Taylor will win. That will be the only way he will last is if he fights different. If he fights a smarter better defensive fight and stays off the ropes this time. By the way Taylor sounded on Countdown and how quickly he took this fight again I would say he has some kind of revenge on his mind so it probably will not go the distance. I like Taylor he is more outwardly emotional I would rather him win hes never backed down before..

[lillarry]

No.With Taylors horrible conditioning, Im pretty sure he wants to get Kelly out there as soon as possible...This fight aint going past 8 rds

[Nico]

It's an entirely possible outcome for the fight to go 12 rounds, with Taylor winning a decision. It seems to me that some people are way too confident that the fight will not go the distance, and that Pavlik will win. I think that is what is going to happen, but there are no guarantees for this one. Betting on the over would provide a nice payday if that's what ended up happening.

[Rise Above]

I dont see it going the distance but if it does then I'd say the win will go Taylors way.

[See Me Flow]

Tszyu looks FAT in that picture. Hopefully that picture will quell any talk of Tszyu making a "comeback".

[stuistylee]

i dont think so...