Randleman: "I have officially signed with Global Fighting LLC and World Victory Road"

[boxingcar]

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[scurlaruntings]

Good to hear his back. His on borrowed time though. Would have been great to see him at 205 in the UFC. He`d still be a handful for most people with his insane intensity.

[billyconn]

Good to hear his back. His on borrowed time though. Would have been great to see him at 205 in the UFC. He`d still be a handful for most people with his insane intensity.

He's a bit crazy when he gets in the ring. If you ever saw that suplex he did on Fedor, I saw him do the same thing in highschool. I beat a dude in highschool who wrestled Randleman for third and fourth at state in the big schools division. Top 4 in Ohio DI is very respectable. Randleman (only a sophmore at the time) did the same thing to a kid who was certainly no slouch to say the least. Let's just say they took the dude off on a stretcher. :tired It was a judgment call whether or not it was an illegal slam, but it was not called that way so Randleman won 3rd by DQ. He was that intense in highschool.....:shock:

[scurlaruntings]

In my opinion the suplex as awesome as it looked surely was an illegal spike. What if Fedor had landed on his head? Oh well i guess you argue he didnt and he subbed Randleman with a Kimura moments later.

Kevin is immensely talented but his heart rules his head. He gets so hyped that he just loses concentration altogether. His sub against Shogun was disappointing as he literally was so high that he rushed into the ring and got knee-barred in no time. You have to love his fighting spirit. His awesome to watch.

[billyconn]

In my opinion the suplex as awesome as it looked surely was an illegal spike. What if Fedor had landed on his head? Oh well i guess you argue he didnt and he subbed Randleman with a Kimura moments later.

Kevin is immensely talented but his heart rules his head. He gets so hyped that he just loses concentration altogether. His sub against Shogun was disappointing as he literally was so high that he rushed into the ring and got knee-barred in no time. You have to love his fighting spirit. His awesome to watch.

I agree he gets too amped up at least in MMA. But it also makes for really intense MMA fights.... I do know that Dan Gable said when Randleman was in college and won NCAA 2x something to the effect of and this is paraphrasing, I wish I had the talent that Kevin Randleman had. Even if it's a bit of exageration it tells you the pure wrestling talent Randleman was. I don't think he ever tried out for the Olympic team, too bad because I think he'd have been one of the best U.S. freestylers or Greco whatever he'd have wanted to do....

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I agree he gets too amped up at least in MMA. But it also makes for really intense MMA fights.... I do know that Dan Gable said when Randleman was in college and won NCAA 2x something to the effect of and this is paraphrasing, I wish I had the talent that Kevin Randleman had. Even if it's a bit of exageration it tells you the pure wrestling talent Randleman was. I don't think he ever tried out for the Olympic team, too bad because I think he'd have been one of the best U.S. freestylers or Greco whatever he'd have wanted to do....
I am sure that Dan was refering to the raw talent that Kevin has. He actually won his second NCAA title with a dislocated jaw that he suffered earlier in the tournament.

[Polymath]

In my opinion the suplex as awesome as it looked surely was an illegal spike. What if Fedor had landed on his head? Oh well i guess you argue he didnt and he subbed Randleman with a Kimura moments later.

Kevin is immensely talented but his heart rules his head. He gets so hyped that he just loses concentration altogether. His sub against Shogun was disappointing as he literally was so high that he rushed into the ring and got knee-barred in no time. You have to love his fighting spirit. His awesome to watch.

Also, he has absolutely no skills on the floor at all - he actually spun INTO that kneebar:patsch

RAndleman was/is a talented athlete with great explosive takedown; thats about it - he literally has not improved an iota in over a decade. I think he's just been g'n'p-ing a heavy bag and lifting weights his whole career.

[scurlaruntings]

Also, he has absolutely no skills on the floor at all - he actually spun INTO that kneebar:patsch

RAndleman was/is a talented athlete with great explosive takedown; thats about it - he literally has not improved an iota in over a decade. I think he's just been g'n'p-ing a heavy bag and lifting weights his whole career.Kevins traininig regime consists of steroids, lifting weights, wrestling and lifting some more weights. His stand up isnt that great and his ground game is totally useless. Has he ever submitted anyone?

[billyconn]

I am sure that Dan was refering to the raw talent that Kevin has. He actually won his second NCAA title with a dislocated jaw that he suffered earlier in the tournament.

Of course that's what he meant....he did not say I wish I had accomplished what Kevin has....I think he was referencing Randleman's explosive abilities and quickness.....

[billyconn]

Kevins traininig regime consists of steroids, lifting weights, wrestling and lifting some more weights. His stand up isnt that great and his ground game is totally useless. Has he ever submitted anyone?

well that's not the Hammer House's specialty:lol: ....Coleman, Kerr, and Randleman....Randleman did have the best standup out of those three but that's not exactly a compliment. He did knock Cro Cop the F/O...so he has a big punch....

[billyconn]

Kevins traininig regime consists of steroids, lifting weights, wrestling and lifting some more weights. His stand up isnt that great and his ground game is totally useless. Has he ever submitted anyone?

that's some funny sh%$ there, true and funny:rofl

[billyconn]

Not that they ever would have fought but I would have liked to see Coleman v. Kerr. in their primes....

That would have been interesting....

[scurlaruntings]

Not that they ever would have fought but I would have liked to see Coleman v. Kerr. in their primes....

That would have been interesting....Who ever got guard 1st would have been destroyed brutally. Both fought in Vale Tudo tourneys and both were animals to deal with.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I don't see Kerr beating Coleman. Coleman is a MUCH better wrestler, and that is all that it would have come down to. Mark Coleman actually beat Kurt Angle in a wrestling match... that is something that a lot of people don't know.

[Polymath]

I don't see Kerr beating Coleman. Coleman is a MUCH better wrestler, and that is all that it would have come down to. Mark Coleman actually beat Kurt Angle in a wrestling match... that is something that a lot of people don't know.

To counteract that, I think peak for peak Kerr was a bigger and stronger man.

[Beebs]

I don't see Kerr beating Coleman. Coleman is a MUCH better wrestler, and that is all that it would have come down to. Mark Coleman actually beat Kurt Angle in a wrestling match... that is something that a lot of people don't know.

I tend to agree, Coleman is the better wrestler and striker, also better GnP, the one scenario I see Kerr with a shot is if he does somehow get top postion, he was very good at powering on armlocks like he did against Barnett in ADCC.

[Donut62]

At last, Randleman found an organization with no drug testing!

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

To counteract that, I think peak for peak Kerr was a bigger and stronger man.
I disagree with Kerr being stronger as well. In the end, it doesn't even matter because Kerr would not outwrestle Coleman. It simply wouldn't happen. Coleman is on another level in the wrestling department. In other words.... Kerr would never be on top, so he would never win the fight.

[Polymath]

Coleman may have been the strongest MMA fighter of note. Jimmy Ambriz is definitely stronger but not a fighter of note/signifigance.
Off the top of my head I'd say Ron Waterman and Fujita are stronger. Possibly Jeff Monson (though he's much less explosive)

But yeh Coleman is/was very strong of course.

[scurlaruntings]

Off the top of my head I'd say Ron Waterman and Fujita are stronger. Possibly Jeff Monson (though he's much less explosive)

But yeh Coleman is/was very strong of course.Waterman was a former bodybuilder. Monson uses power lifting regimes when he trains. There all strong guys but there functional strength probably isnt the same as that of Coleman. Colemans intensity and explosiveness was much greater in his prime than any of those fighters mentioned.

[billyconn]

I don't see Kerr beating Coleman. Coleman is a MUCH better wrestler, and that is all that it would have come down to. Mark Coleman actually beat Kurt Angle in a wrestling match... that is something that a lot of people don't know.

Kerr beat Angle as well.....

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Kerr beat Angle as well.....
True... and he also beat Randy Couture. Kerr was a very good wrestler, he just wasn't as good as Coleman.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

BTW... Coleman won by Tech Fall (17-1) over Kerr when they wrestled.

[ufoalf]

Didn't Coleman beat that olympic gold medalist from professional wrestling?(forgot his name)

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Didn't Coleman beat that olympic gold medalist from professional wrestling?(forgot his name)
Yes, Kurt Angle... that is what we were talking about. Kerr beat him too... but Coleman smashed Kerr when they wrestled each other.

[billyconn]

Yes, Kurt Angle... that is what we were talking about. Kerr beat him too... but Coleman smashed Kerr when they wrestled each other.

I think Kerr was like 18 and Coleman was 22....

Dan Gable got beat by Bobby Douglas numerous times in one day when Gable was 18 for Olympic tryouts....

Prime Kerr and Prime Coleman would have been close very close....

Kerr was a 1994 US Freestyle Champ, that prime Kerr would not get smashed....

[Donut62]

Kerr's wrestling was never anywhere near Coleman's, and arguing such is as retarded as that God awful "GSP BEATS KOSCHECK IN FREESTYLE" thread.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I think Kerr was like 18 and Coleman was 22....

Dan Gable got beat by Bobby Douglas numerous times in one day when Gable was 18 for Olympic tryouts....

Prime Kerr and Prime Coleman would have been close very close....

Kerr was a 1994 US Freestyle Champ, that prime Kerr would not get smashed....
Coleman was 23 and Kerr was 19. However, once you are 19 years of age and have already been wrestling for a long time... you aren't going to close that sort of gap on an opponent. If you get beat by tech fall at 19 years of age by someone who is 23... I don't see you having a close match against that person down the road, as long as that person is still active as well. 17-1 is just too much of a domination.

Also, let's just look at Coleman's accomplishments....

Wrestling
NCAA Champion
Pan Games Champion - Gold Medal
Olympic Team Member (7th)
2nd Place at the FILA World Freestyle Championships

MMA
UFC 10 Tournament Champion
UFC 11 Tournament Champion
UFC Ultimate Ultimate Champion
First ever UFC Heavyweight Champion
First ever Pride GP Champion

I don't think that Kerr holds a candle to Coleman in Wrestling or MMA. Kerr was a very good wrestler, and seemed to be on the verge of doing something big in MMA... but never did. The only edge that I would give to Kerr would be submissions.... but not the kind of edge that would put him into the position of winning a fight between the two.... as Kerr's subs were only useful from the top... where he wouldn't be.

[billyconn]

Coleman was 23 and Kerr was 19. However, once you are 19 years of age and have already been wrestling for a long time... you aren't going to close that sort of gap on an opponent. If you get beat by tech fall at 19 years of age by someone who is 23... I don't see you having a close match against that person down the road, as long as that person is still active as well. 17-1 is just too much of a domination.

Also, let's just look at Coleman's accomplishments....

Wrestling
NCAA Champion
Pan Games Champion - Gold Medal
Olympic Team Member (7th)
2nd Place at the FILA World Freestyle Championships

MMA
UFC 10 Tournament Champion
UFC 11 Tournament Champion
UFC Ultimate Ultimate Champion
First ever UFC Heavyweight Champion
First ever Pride GP Champion

I don't think that Kerr holds a candle to Coleman in Wrestling or MMA. Kerr was a very good wrestler, and seemed to be on the verge of doing something big in MMA... but never did. The only edge that I would give to Kerr would be submissions.... but not the kind of edge that would put him into the position of winning a fight between the two.... as Kerr's subs were only useful from the top... where he wouldn't be.

I don't think you listed Kerr's accomplishments. And I think Alan Fried tech falled Tom Brands when Fried was still in highscool and Brands was at Iowa. I think he lost to Brands 2x in the NCAA finals. One blowout certainly does not guarantee a second one....

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I don't think you listed Kerr's accomplishments. And I think Alan Fried tech falled Tom Brands when Fried was still in highscool and Brands was at Iowa. I think he lost to Brands 2x in the NCAA finals. One blowout certainly does not guarantee a second one....
There is a big difference between one guy still being in High School, and the other guy in college. We are talking about one guy being 19 and the other being 23, and both were in college. Also, Kerr already had an entire year of NCAA Division I wrestling under his belt. You don't think there is a big difference? Also, we aren't talking about an older guy beating a younger guy, and then the younger guy going on to have a much more successful career afterwards/. We are talking about a 23 year old who DOMINATED a 19 year old, and then went on to accomplish much more than the younger guy later in their careers as well.

You can list Kerr's accomplishments in Wrestling and MMA if you want to. I didn't bother because we all know that they don't stack up. As I said before, Kerr only has one advantage over Coleman and that was in Submission Grappling because Kerr competed in it... and was successful. However in a head to head match-up that wouldn't have came into play, because he wouldn't have been on top of Coleman.

[billyconn]

There is a big difference between one guy still being in High School, and the other guy in college. We are talking about one guy being 19 and the other being 23, and both were in college. Also, Kerr already had an entire year of NCAA Division I wrestling under his belt. You don't think there is a big difference? Also, we aren't talking about an older guy beating a younger guy, and then the younger guy going on to have a much more successful career afterwards/. We are talking about a 23 year old who DOMINATED a 19 year old, and then went on to accomplish much more than the younger guy later in their careers as well.

You can list Kerr's accomplishments in Wrestling and MMA if you want to. I didn't bother because we all know that they don't stack up. As I said before, Kerr only has one advantage over Coleman and that was in Submission Grappling because Kerr competed in it... and was successful. However in a head to head match-up that wouldn't have came into play, because he wouldn't have been on top of Coleman.

It's all speculation/guessing and you trying to act as if you know for sure that Coleman would walk all over Kerr in an MMA match (in their respective juiced primes) is interesting.....You base all of your conjecture on a college wrestling match (that took place at 190 pounds.....Kerr weighed about 260 in his MMA prime and there was certainly a big difference in his physicality from 19 to 27 yrs. of age)..... Basically you are saying that because Coleman beat Kerr in folkstyle wrestling(when Kerr was 19 and Coleman was 23) that he would beat Kerr in MMA (a different sport, years later and when Kerr weighed about a 1/3 more)..With that logic how did GSP ever beat Koscheck in MMA ? Since he certainly would not be able to beat Kos in a conventional free or folkstyle match up?

As far as wrestling credentials to say they don't stack up is a bit silly....

Kerr as well as Coleman was an NCAA Champ, he beat Randy Couture (some might know his name) badly by a score of 12-4 in the finals.....

He was also a national freestyle champion and like Coleman had beaten Angle 1x....

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

It's all speculation/guessing and you trying to act as if you know for sure that Coleman would walk all over Kerr in an MMA match (in their respective juiced primes) is interesting.....You base all of your conjecture on a college wrestling match (that took place at 190 pounds.....Kerr weighed about 260 in his MMA prime and there was certainly a big difference in his physicality from 19 to 27 yrs. of age)..... Basically you are saying that because Coleman beat Kerr in folkstyle wrestling(when Kerr was 19 and Coleman was 23) that he would beat Kerr in MMA (a different sport, years later and when Kerr weighed about a 1/3 more)..With that logic how did GSP ever beat Koscheck in MMA ? Since he certainly would not be able to beat Kos in a conventional free or folkstyle match up?

As far as wrestling credentials to say they don't stack up is a bit silly....

Kerr as well as Coleman was an NCAA Champ, he beat Randy Couture (some might know his name) badly by a score of 12-4 in the finals.....

He was also a national freestyle champion and like Coleman had beaten Angle 1x....


I already stated myself that Kerr beat Couture in College. Not sure why you are telling me what I have already stated. However, I think that anyone who knows about wrestling as you claim wouldn't be that surpised by that. Couture was a very good wrestler, but became much more popular in the wrestling world after his success in MMA than he was as just a wrestler. Couture was a very good College Wrestler, but he wasn't on Coleman's level either. Much better Greco wrestler than he was Folkstyle.

Also, what do you mean I am basing this off of that one match? I am basing this NOT ONLY on the fact that Coleman dominated him when they met head to head, but also after the fact Coleman went on to have a much greater career in wrestling. There is a big difference between winning a National Freestlye Tournament, and being a Pan Am Games Gold Medalist, 2nd in the WORLD at World Freestlye Championships, and an Olympian. Also, Coleman's MMA career is on a completely different level than Kerr's. What's the argument here? I mean... have you actually taken a look at who Kerr actually BEAT in MMA? The man lost to every top level guy that he faced (which wasn't many). His best win would have to be Inoue or Bobish. That is NOT the resume of a great MMA fighter. Just because he started to have a breakdown after he kept getting beat doesn't mean that it doesn't count or something. He just wasn't as good as he thought that he was. I think that became painfully apparent in his several comeback attempts.

Also... I clearly stated that I wouldn't expect Coleman to tool Kerr like he did back when they wrestled. However, I don't believe that Kerr could win that fight, because Coleman is better at the things that Kerr does best. The only advantage that Kerr has is submissions from the top, but he wouldn't be in that position. Kerr would never have Coleman on his back.

Stop pretending that I am basing this on just the one ass kickin' that Coleman put on Kerr.... when I have stated plenty of reasons.

Also... what on earth does this have to do with KOS and GSP? GSP is a much better MMA fighter than KOS. That is obvious... they also have different strengths and skill sets that left KOS vulnerable to GSP taking him down. Coleman and Kerr both looked to go into the ring and do the same thing. Difference being that Coleman was much more successful in his MMA career doing it. There is a HUGE difference between this scenario too, and I can't even believe that I need to explain it.

Kerr was a tough dude, and a VERY VERY good wrestler. However he wasn't as good at wrestling or MMA as people try and make him out to be.

[Polymath]

Widdow,

Of course if we're talking about achievements this is a no-brainer; Coleman has an 'A' career and Kerr has a 'C' maybe. But I believe the point was a fantasy h2h matchup - and I still think Kerr is more than a live dog. Admittedly Kerrs peak was brief, but in the UFC and his first few Pride fights he looked genuinely awesome (even if the oppostion wasn't stellar) and was thought by a lot of knowledgable people to be the best fighter in the world for a brief time in the late 90's.

Now, I don't think Kerr could beat Coleman is a wrestling match, ever. But that doesn't mean he could never got the top position in an mma match. If that interminable thread about Kos/GSP could show someone anything it's that an inferior striker can outstrike a better one, an inferior wrestler can outwrestle a better one etc (IN MMA!) Now I know people might say that Coleman would have no fear at all of Kerr's striking abilities, and thus we're essentially talking about a wrestling match. There is some truth in that, BUT Ithink partly its just MMA IS DIFFERENT, period.

Another thing I'd say is Coleman has had throughout his career a tendency to gas, and throw in what is in Kerr a very similar skillset, and its not hard to imagine Coleman being at least neutralized, dragged into the deep waters and stopped.

Now, I'd stil favor Coleman ftw, but this was a match I wanted to see in the late 90's.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Widdow,

Of course if we're talking about achievements this is a no-brainer; Coleman has an 'A' career and Kerr has a 'C' maybe. But I believe the point was a fantasy h2h matchup - and I still think Kerr is more than a live dog. Admittedly Kerrs peak was brief, but in the UFC and his first few Pride fights he looked genuinely awesome (even if the oppostion wasn't stellar) and was thought by a lot of knowledgable people to be the best fighter in the world for a brief time in the late 90's.

Now, I don't think Kerr could beat Coleman is a wrestling match, ever. But that doesn't mean he could never got the top position in an mma match. If that interminable thread about Kos/GSP could show someone anything it's that an inferior striker can outstrike a better one, an inferior wrestler can outwrestle a better one etc (IN MMA!) Now I know people might say that Coleman would have no fear at all of Kerr's striking abilities, and thus we're essentially talking about a wrestling match. There is some truth in that, BUT Ithink partly its just MMA IS DIFFERENT, period.

Another thing I'd say is Coleman has had throughout his career a tendency to gas, and throw in what is in Kerr a very similar skillset, and its not hard to imagine Coleman being at least neutralized, dragged into the deep waters and stopped.

Now, I'd stil favor Coleman ftw, but this was a match I wanted to see in the late 90's.
Every fighter has a chance to win. I am just speaking on what would happen, IMO. Also... we have seen how quickly Kerr wilts when he is down, and his opponent is on him... I don't see him dragging Coleman into deep waters. Also... if we are talking about Prime Coleman... let's not forget that Coleman used to fight in the Tournaments during his "Prime years". Look at the first tourny he was in... He battered his first opponent for 2:43.... then battered Goodridge for 7:00, and then went on to completely destroy Don Frye beyond recognition for over 11 minutes straight. Now that was 3 fights all in the same night.... with no breaks during the fights, only after each one. I don't see Coleman at that stage having a problem handling 3-5 minute rounds with breaks in between each. Coleman just entered MMA late in his life, and went with what he had. I know for a fact that he stopped training like a madman for a while and figured that he would just get by. By the time he took training seriously again he injured his neck badly. Was never really the same after that.

[billyconn]

I already stated myself that Kerr beat Couture in College. Not sure why you are telling me what I have already stated. However, I think that anyone who knows about wrestling as you claim wouldn't be that surpised by that. Couture was a very good wrestler, but became much more popular in the wrestling world after his success in MMA than he was as just a wrestler. Couture was a very good College Wrestler, but he wasn't on Coleman's level either. Much better Greco wrestler than he was Folkstyle.

Also, what do you mean I am basing this off of that one match? I am basing this NOT ONLY on the fact that Coleman dominated him when they met head to head, but also after the fact Coleman went on to have a much greater career in wrestling. There is a big difference between winning a National Freestlye Tournament, and being a Pan Am Games Gold Medalist, 2nd in the WORLD at World Freestlye Championships, and an Olympian. Also, Coleman's MMA career is on a completely different level than Kerr's. What's the argument here? I mean... have you actually taken a look at who Kerr actually BEAT in MMA? The man lost to every top level guy that he faced (which wasn't many). His best win would have to be Inoue or Bobish. That is NOT the resume of a great MMA fighter. Just because he started to have a breakdown after he kept getting beat doesn't mean that it doesn't count or something. He just wasn't as good as he thought that he was. I think that became painfully apparent in his several comeback attempts.

Also... I clearly stated that I wouldn't expect Coleman to tool Kerr like he did back when they wrestled. However, I don't believe that Kerr could win that fight, because Coleman is better at the things that Kerr does best. The only advantage that Kerr has is submissions from the top, but he wouldn't be in that position. Kerr would never have Coleman on his back.

Stop pretending that I am basing this on just the one ass kickin' that Coleman put on Kerr.... when I have stated plenty of reasons.

Also... what on earth does this have to do with KOS and GSP? GSP is a much better MMA fighter than KOS. That is obvious... they also have different strengths and skill sets that left KOS vulnerable to GSP taking him down. Coleman and Kerr both looked to go into the ring and do the same thing. Difference being that Coleman was much more successful in his MMA career doing it. There is a HUGE difference between this scenario too, and I can't even believe that I need to explain it.

Kerr was a tough dude, and a VERY VERY good wrestler. However he wasn't as good at wrestling or MMA as people try and make him out to be.

I think Kerr stopped juicing and he lost his aggression. Pure conjecture but that's why he dropped off so quickly.

I don't agree that Kerr would never get Coleman in his guard or on his back.

I thought this would be an interesting match up and wasn't a forgone conclusion. That's all.

[billyconn]

There is a big difference between one guy still being in High School, and the other guy in college. We are talking about one guy being 19 and the other being 23, and both were in college. Also, Kerr already had an entire year of NCAA Division I wrestling under his belt. You don't think there is a big difference? Also, we aren't talking about an older guy beating a younger guy, and then the younger guy going on to have a much more successful career afterwards/. We are talking about a 23 year old who DOMINATED a 19 year old, and then went on to accomplish much more than the younger guy later in their careers as well.

You can list Kerr's accomplishments in Wrestling and MMA if you want to. I didn't bother because we all know that they don't stack up. As I said before, Kerr only has one advantage over Coleman and that was in Submission Grappling because Kerr competed in it... and was successful. However in a head to head match-up that wouldn't have came into play, because he wouldn't have been on top of Coleman.

By 1996 Coleman was already on the downside of his wrestling career. I think at the olympic trials I believe Coleman dropped to a 6th place finish. Kerr was the 1994 U.S. Freestyle Champ at 220 both Angle's and Coleman's weight class. It's erroneous to think that Coleman's pure wrestling skills got better in MMA. So considering the above let's go to 1998..... Coleman never faced a person in MMA who could nullify his strengths like Kerr could have. And now for the first time Kerr would have had a clear size advantage......that's my line of reasoning....

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

By 1996 Coleman was already on the downside of his wrestling career. I think at the olympic trials I believe Coleman dropped to a 6th place finish. Kerr was the 1994 U.S. Freestyle Champ at 220 both Angle's and Coleman's weight class. It's erroneous to think that Coleman's pure wrestling skills got better in MMA. So considering the above let's go to 1998..... Coleman never faced a person in MMA who could nullify his strengths like Kerr could have. And now for the first time Kerr would have had a clear size advantage......that's my line of reasoning....
No problem... we just disagree.:good I have stated many times that we never even got to see a "prime" Coleman in the UFC as he didn't start until his 30's, and was a pretty big party animal at the time. Just wanted to remind you that it was just 1995 when Coleman beat Angle... so he clearly hadn't fallen too far off by 1996.

[billyconn]

No problem... we just disagree.:good I have stated many times that we never even got to see a "prime" Coleman in the UFC as he didn't start until his 30's, and was a pretty big party animal at the time. Just wanted to remind you that it was just 1995 when Coleman beat Angle... so he clearly hadn't fallen too far off by 1996.

Fair nuff...

Hey widdow I am a bit disappointed you never asked what happened when I wrestled Yetts. :-(

Also this is the wrong thread but being from Ohio you have to support Pavlik, well you don't have to but I'd be surprised if you didn't.

Are you going to watch it? I know that Buffalo Wild Wings near the Ohio Valley Mall gets the fight. But to cut to the chase, any predictions?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Fair nuff...

Hey widdow I am a bit disappointed you never asked what happened when I wrestled Yetts. :-(

Also this is the wrong thread but being from Ohio you have to support Pavlik, well you don't have to but I'd be surprised if you didn't.

Are you going to watch it? I know that Buffalo Wild Wings near the Ohio Valley Mall gets the fight. But to cut to the chase, any predictions?
I figured that you must have won, because you mentioned that you wrestled him.:lol: Also, he was one of those guys who really came into his own his senior year and in College.

Hell yea I support Pavlik. I will be watching the fight too. I am a little worried because he always seems so vulnerable to eat a huge shot, but he always seems to overcome and win. Yea, BW3's or "B Dubs" always shows fights out there. I normally don't go there though because I really don't like being around a bunch of loud people who talk and shout over the action and commentary.

[billyconn]

I figured that you must have won, because you mentioned that you wrestled him.:lol: Also, he was one of those guys who really came into his own his senior year and in College.

Hell yea I support Pavlik. I will be watching the fight too. I am a little worried because he always seems so vulnerable to eat a huge shot, but he always seems to overcome and win. Yea, BW3's or "B Dubs" always shows fights out there. I normally don't go there though because I really don't like being around a bunch of loud people who talk and shout over the action and commentary.

Yetts was always tough....:D

But I agree with you about Pavlik eating a big shot, he just can't eat a ton of them like he did in the second round. I had to watch the replay a couple of times but I did notice where Pavlik stuck his chin out and Taylor cracked him right on the chin. It's amazing how fast the reaction time is even of the "slow" Pavlik. And how much he notices. He said he knew he had Taylor in the 7th when he cracked him and Taylor had a muscle twitch in his chest. You can actually see it on the video, Kelly wasn't lying.....