Lennox Lewis vs Golota and Grant

[Dostoevsky]

H8F1sup0f_8

Whoever said Lewis was boring again? :huh

[Smith]

Legend, pure and simple.

[H .]

:roll:

[mike464]

If only Lewis was still fighting...

[Dostoevsky]

:roll:

What the hell are you rolling your eyes at Golota lover? I have a Golota lowlight on my PC....I'll post it! I swear to god I'll post it! :twisted::twisted:

[peter5]

Lewis = God like

[PATSYS]

H8F1sup0f_8

Whoever said Lewis was boring again? :huh

Toss in Lewis' fights with Ruddock, Morrison and Briggs.

Lewis is not only top 3 HW ATG, he is also one of the best finisher.

[ThePlugInBabies]

watching golota getting beat on like that brings great joy to my heart.

[SugarShane_24]

If only he trained hard for some of his fights he should've been undefeated and there'd be no need for rematches.

[ThePlugInBabies]

If only he trained hard for some of his fights he should've been undefeated and there'd be no need for rematches.

he was trained and ready for mccall, he just got brutally KTFO. if he'd have beaten mccall he may never have teamed up with manny and become the dominating fighter that we saw later in his career.

rahman, yeah he was undertrained, but it was still his fault.

[Loufatski]

What the hell are you rolling your eyes at Golota lover? I have a Golota lowlight on my PC....I'll post it! I swear to god I'll post it! :twisted::twisted:

You can always tell the young guys...

[Loufatski]

watching golota getting beat on like that brings great joy to my heart.

another young man...

[Strike]

he was trained and ready for mccall, he just got brutally KTFO.

But he didn't. He was up by the count of 6. If the ref had continued to count up to 8, then done the usual "Are you okay" and asked him to hold his gloves up, it is possible that he could have hung on until the end of the round. As the champion he should have been given that chance but he wasn't.

In reality he would probably have been stopped but who knows? And teaming up with Manny was a positive to come from it.

Rahman was totally his fault and he should truly regret that. Overweight, untrained and not even in the country in time to acclimatise....so stupid. Had he prepared and given a Rahman II performance then the one loss to McCall when he was up by 6 would be far less of a talking point and he would have far fewer doubters.

[michael 901]

:roll:
you know what michael 901 thinks of golota and look i have no problem with anyone being a golota fan, but why are you so dis-honest about his shortcomings.

[Bigcat]

I was in Ballys a few years ago the same week Moorer fought Holyfield the second time. The main event was Mike Grant v J L Gonzales. I was talking to Razor Ruddocks part time trainer Art Miles and he addressed why Grant isn't the man to beat Bowe or Lewis.. He said " for big men Grant and the likes of Akinwande have a big flaw it is their legs and the way they are just that little bit too big to move correctly.. Grant could only move one way with 100% co ordination and the same could be said of a few more.. Lewis on the other hand is the only exception to the rule.. Lewis was like a middleweight when he moved he was so fluid.. Many years after Grant lost to Lewis then showed his footwork flaws majorly when he faced Jameel McCline in Vegas.. McCline caught him cold with a right hand and Mike G fell with his long spindly legs underneith him, busting an ancle.. amazingly Mccline did the same years later against a larger man (Valuev) Lennox was always the exception to most rules.. Fast hands and a good ability to fight close in when he had to (v Grant) I think we all look back and see LL as a better fighter now he has retired, we had it too good.. Lewis was by no means boring...

[Jetset78]

I've never said Lewis was boring - just grossly overrated on this board

[Bodysnatcher]

The funniest thing is that both Golota and Grant were heavily fancied against Lewis.

I believe Ring magazine predicted a Grant victory but they certainly weren't only ones. Manny Steward used to mention that a lot - that US boxing experts weren't giving Lewis any credit for his talent.

Golota of course had smashed Bowe about just before Lewis hammered him - and Bowe was considered the best heavyweight on the scene at the time.

Lewis derailed the careers of so many fighters - those, plus Tua, Briggs, others - that people often wrongly say those fighters were always crap, when at the time, so many people thought they'd stop Lewis in his tracks.

[DamonD]

Fair play to Grant though - he kept on swinging, trying to land a fight-turning punch, it just wasn't happening. And he always got up (or tried to in the case of the last one) from his knockdowns, even from that crushing knockdown against Guinn.

Lewis was only a 2-1 favourite against Grant, and just 8-5 vs Golota (with some rumours of the odds falling to 7-5 or even 6-5 in the last couple hours before the fight). Several scribes in particular predicted doom against Golota, but there y'go.

I still do like Golota though! He has a special kind of nutty charisma...if he only could've had a stronger mentality back then, as he seems to have developed now, he could've been a champion.

[vonBanditos]

Though I've seen the fight before, I was surprised this time around to see how long the ref let the Grant fight go for. These days, I think the fight would have been stopped with that last knockdown in the first. That just looked brutal.

[Sakura]

What if wlad fight against those dude (golota, grant)? What would be happen...

[mattress]

These days, I think the fight would have been stopped with that last knockdown in the first. That just looked brutal.

Not sure if it would be stopped but it was damn brutal.

[Claypole]

he just got brutally KTFO. Eh? No he didn't, you're making stuff up! He beat the count and the ref stopped the fight, you must be confused....

[sherbert]

What if wlad fight against those dude (golota, grant)? What would be happen...

Wlad would ko them!

[Drexl]

I've never said Lewis was boring - just grossly overrated on this board
Where do you rate him? The majority of this board have him somewhere around 5-10 all-time with a couple who rate him just outside that range either way.

If you think that is "grossly overrated", post your all-time top-10 and I bet I can pick holes out of at least 7 of them. Rating a fighter is subjective.

[Drexl]

Wlad would ko them!

Probably. And the Lennox in those fights would probably KTFO Wlad. :hi:

[See Me Flow]

Don't ya just love that bewildered look on Golota's face. :lol:

[H .]

you know what michael 901 thinks of golota and look i have no problem with anyone being a golota fan, but why are you so dis-honest about his shortcomings.

you got a lot of nerve. i've never been dishonest about golota's shortcomings, i just dont speak of them... just like i dont speak of lennox's shortcomings ...often

[KobeIsGod]

my god! michael grant....now that's a paper mache chin :nod

dude was on queer street. looks like he suffered three or four concussions in this one fight :yep :yep

[Silvermags]

my god! michael grant....now that's a paper mache chin :nod

dude was on queer street. looks like he suffered three or four concussions in this one fight :yep :yep

:yep :yep :yep the fight should have been stopped much earlier!
was a fan of andrew g before the fight. after the fight, I'm not a fan anymore! :hey

[Haye]

At the time he fought these guys however, they were the best thing since sliced bread

[ThePlugInBabies]

Eh? No he didn't, you're making stuff up! He beat the count and the ref stopped the fight, you must be confused....

mate he was taken out with one shot and when he got up he was leaning all over the ref and his senses were gone.

[ThePlugInBabies]

another young man...

hey, mind you don't bang your head off the ceiling, that soapbox is pretty big.

[Drexl]

mate he was taken out with one shot and when he got up he was leaning all over the ref and his senses were gone.

He was unsteady for sure, but he held his hands firmly in front of his face to show the ref he could defend himself.

Literally hundreds of fighters have been in worse shape and allowed to continue. We have an example in this very thread - Grant was waaaay more defenceless on several occasions in his fight with Lennox but was allowed to continue over and over. Holyfield was in worse shape against Bowe in one of their fights and was allowed to continue.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a legit stoppage. But another ref on another day would have let it go, then who knows what would have happened. Anyway, like a few of you have pointed out, that loss was great for his career in the long run.