View Full Version : Riddick Bowe vs. Corrie Sanders
Russell
02-12-2008, 01:20 AM
Both in peak form.
Winner?
fists of fury
02-12-2008, 06:33 AM
I suppose I'd pick Bowe too, because a Sanders in peak condition was regrettably hard to find.
Still, with Bowe's horrid defense and Corrie's quick and powerful hands, I think he'd be very much a live underdog.
unitas
02-12-2008, 06:39 AM
bowe had a great chin..........and was just way superior.
quick ending. bowe ko2 sanders.
ChrisPontius
02-12-2008, 06:47 AM
bowe had a great chin..........and was just way superior.
quick ending. bowe ko2 sanders.
Bowe seemed to have a great chin because he never fought a good puncher. Holyfield had him down, Golota had him down twice, Lewis stopped him in the amateurs and the limited Hide had him out on his feet. He should be favored over Sanders, but Sanders has handspeed, size and power the likes of which Bowe had been steered away from. Given Bowe's lack of defense and brawl-happiness, don't be surprised to see an early upset.
DamonD
02-12-2008, 07:11 AM
I'd like to think that Futch would have Sanders sufficiently scouted, and would make sure Bowe would be careful in the opening 3 rounds or so. Because even at his best, Sanders was typically a much less effective fighter past that point. Bowe could then break down Sanders for a nice-looking stoppage around 6 or 7.
If Bowe wades in looking for a nice KO1 though, that could be a real mistake.
PowerPuncher
02-12-2008, 07:48 AM
Sanders was always out of puff after 2-3 rounds. He may score an early KD or cause the odd problem but he'd get battered in the mid rounds and stopped as his punch output drops to single figures
fists of fury
02-12-2008, 08:09 AM
To be fair though, most are basing their opinions (I'm assuming, yes) on the fat, over-the-hill guy who fought the Klitschkos.
There was once upon a time a Sanders that didn't gas after 2 or 3 rounds. It took him 7 or 8. :D
PowerPuncher
02-12-2008, 08:26 AM
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There was once upon a time a Sanders that didn't gas after 2 or 3 rounds. It took him 7 or 8. :D
No Sanders always gassed early, hes never proved he can fight past the first 3rounds against a top contender. Rahman outlasted him when they fought in 2000
fists of fury
02-12-2008, 08:30 AM
No Sanders always gassed early, hes never proved he can fight past the first 3rounds against a top contender. Rahman outlasted him when they fought in 2000
And he was no spring chicken in 2000. He was less inclined to train and was more interested in golf at that point.
Mendoza
02-12-2008, 08:44 AM
Sanders was always out of puff after 2-3 rounds. He may score an early KD or cause the odd problem but he'd get battered in the mid rounds and stopped as his punch output drops to single figures
Sanders was always a puff out? This is wrong. Sanders has gone 10 or 12 rounds many times. I'd go with a motivated and in shape Bowe to win in the ealry to mid 1990's. If Bowe shows up like he did vs Donald, Golota, or Holyfield 3, then Sanders would be my pick to win.
brooklyn1550
02-12-2008, 10:30 AM
Bowe TKO5
Sanders was always dangerous early and had the power to hurt anybody, but Bowe was more skilled on the outside and on the inside.
DamonD
02-12-2008, 10:58 AM
Sanders was always a puff out? This is wrong. Sanders has gone 10 or 12 rounds many times.
Sanders has gone 12 rounds once, vs Puritty in '97.
He didn't look exactly ready to dance a jig by the end of that one, either.
He's gone to 10 six times, but against five weak opponents and Johnny Nelson - hardly Mr. Pressure fighter.
PowerPuncher
02-12-2008, 12:39 PM
Sanders was always a puff out? This is wrong. Sanders has gone 10 or 12 rounds many times. I'd go with a motivated and in shape Bowe to win in the ealry to mid 1990's. If Bowe shows up like he did vs Donald, Golota, or Holyfield 3, then Sanders would be my pick to win.
Going 10 rounds against Ross Purrity where you only need to throw in single digits does not mean you can fight 10-12 HARD ROUNDS.
Sanders has never proven he can go 10-12 hard rounds and win AGAINST A CONTENDER
Mendoza
02-12-2008, 12:44 PM
Going 10 rounds against Ross Purrity does not mean you can fight 10-12 HARD ROUNDS.
Sanders has never proven he can go 10-12 hard rounds and win AGAINST A CONTENDER
Sanders either scored a knockout or was knocked out vs contenders. If he fought a guy trying to surive, he'd go 10 or 12. My main point was when you said Sanders was always out of puff after 2-3 rounds. This is false.
abraq
02-12-2008, 12:48 PM
An almost sure win for Bowe with a remote "puncher's chance" for Sanders.
mr. magoo
02-12-2008, 01:36 PM
Riddick Bowe beats Sanders. I'm not even so sure if I'd give Corrie a punchers chance. He simply did not have the stamina needed to go rounds against Riddick, and the likelyhood of him getting Bowe out of there within the opening minutes is remote to none. Corrie had a lot of handspeed, good power and a southpaw style, which would have been enough against a lot of good heavyweights, but he'd need a bit more to beat Big Daddy.
ripcity
02-12-2008, 05:58 PM
I think a prime Bowe has a chance to beat anyone. (I'm not saying that he difently would) I think Sanders caught Wald on the right nite.
Bowe would win this match up.
The Mongoose
03-24-2010, 08:16 PM
Fun fight!
I think Bowe walks through tremendous punishment in the early rounds, and perhaps even gets dropped once or twice. Sanders is a capable finisher but Bowe is a tough guy to take out early. I have little doubt that Big Daddy weathers the storm, comes on strong, and finds a gassed Sanders in the mid rounds with his big right to force the stoppage. Probably like Rahman/Sanders or Bowe/Golota minus the ball busting.
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lefthook31
03-24-2010, 08:27 PM
Bowe In peak form Sanders has absolutely zero chance
Pusnuts
03-24-2010, 09:46 PM
I like Sanders but hes been overrated a little, a natural fighter but his fundamentals weren't that great, Bowe by stoppage but Id love it if Sanders smashed him and Id give him a fair punchers chance
Boxed Ears
03-24-2010, 10:11 PM
Sanders has a puncher's chance. That's it. Bowe is superior. Now, the best version of Sanders against say the Bowe of Golota II...might be interesting. I'm not putting Sanders down. If he had been intensely serious about boxing all his life, he may have had a very different career because he had good tools to work with. But he's got one win over a great heavyweight fighter with a vulnerable chin and it wasn't a decision win either.
Boxed Ears
03-24-2010, 10:14 PM
Fun fight!
I think Bowe walks through tremendous punishment in the early rounds, and perhaps even gets dropped once or twice. Sanders is a capable finisher but Bowe is a tough guy to take out early. I have little doubt that Big Daddy weathers the storm, comes on strong, and finds a gassed Sanders in the mid rounds with his big right to force the stoppage. Probably like Rahman/Sanders or Bowe/Golota minus the ball busting.
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That sounds about right that if Bowe got dropped or punished a bit, he'd still hang tough. Like Bowe or not I've seen this dude fight on rubbery legs for several rounds while still dishing out educated shots.
mr. magoo
03-24-2010, 11:49 PM
Even though I would probably go with Riddick, both Chris Pontius and Fist of Fury have some valid points... Sanders was not always the unmotivated, deconditioned man in his late 30's that we saw against Vitali Klitschko, and Bowe rarely if ever, faced a large south paw with fast hands and above average power.. Had he tried to over power Sanders at close range with a bit too much haste, he might have been met with a nasty surprise.... On the other hand, he did have a solid chin along with good power and size himself... He also had a well developed infighting game, and had gone the 12 round distance on a few occasions......
I make no convictions on this, but I would probably have to favor Bowe by a mid to late round stoppage... However, I wouldn't be surprised to see Riddick staggering around the ring at some point, and should he take Sanders too lightly, might end up with the only KO loss of his career....
AnthonyJ74
03-25-2010, 01:06 AM
I suppose I'd pick Bowe too, because a Sanders in peak condition was regrettably hard to find.
Still, with Bowe's horrid defense and Corrie's quick and powerful hands, I think he'd be very much a live underdog.
Herbie Hide nailed Bowe and shook him up, and Sanders is bigger than Hide and probably a little more powerful and just as fast. It would be a tricky fight for the first few rounds. Bowe was obviously the more talented and accomplished fighter, but as the poster above stated, I'd make Sanders a very live underdog. If the fight went past the middle rounds, I think Bowe steamrolls him...But you never know.
Mendoza
03-25-2010, 04:15 AM
I suppose I'd pick Bowe too, because a Sanders in peak condition was regrettably hard to find.
Still, with Bowe's horrid defense and Corrie's quick and powerful hands, I think he'd be very much a live underdog.
This is how I see it. If Bowe is in shape and focused, I'll go with him.
kinski
08-20-2010, 05:50 PM
It would b a tuff fight if Sanders is in shape. He's a lot more mobile then Bowe not 2 mention faster. But if an out of shape Sanders doesn't get him out of there early bowe 4 sure. The reason Sanders didn't always go the distance cause he usually ended his fights early.
Bonecrusher
08-20-2010, 05:56 PM
Bowe would win this one, he could fight harder longer then Sanders.. Sanders is very dangerous as he is a big puncher, but Sanders would not be able to handle the pace of the fight, even if he hurt Bowe early I see Riddick surviving it and taking Corrie out in around the 7th or 8th round..
Kalasinn
08-20-2010, 06:33 PM
Bowe In peak form Sanders has absolutely zero chance.
Agreed, I find the very premise that Sanders could win is ludicrous.
Bowe TKO5.
crippet
08-20-2010, 07:02 PM
Sanders by early KO - Bowe made a career out of avoiding heavy punchers because he had such bad defence he would have been beaten by any heavy puncher. He was fine trading with smaller fighters altough he did have to use a fork when he bravely beat up his wife!
frankenfrank
08-20-2010, 07:18 PM
Sanders by early KO - Bowe made a career out of avoiding heavy punchers because he had such bad defence he would have been beaten by any heavy puncher. He was fine trading with smaller fighters altough he did have to use a fork when he bravely beat up his wife!
His wife is also of the type he would have avoided in his prime.
Cachibatches
08-21-2010, 02:42 AM
Bowe but I would pay a lot of money to see this fight.
Muchmoore
08-21-2010, 03:49 PM
Bowe rapes him.
SuzieQ49
08-21-2010, 04:13 PM
As unintelligent as this may sound, MuchMoore's post is the closest to the truth. Guy's come on, Corrie Sanders? Really? Against an ATG prime Heavyweight Champion? Corrie Sanders is a career journeyman with a one hit wonder. Ya, he can be dangerous at times, but their is a reason he never panned out as anymore than a one hit wonder. Bowe is in a much higher class. He won't fall victim to any one hit wonder. Sanders, fundamentally is horrible. Bowe's jab, combined with his repertoire of clubs and sharp hooks will take him apart right away. Sander's mediocre jaw will then give out right away, and if it doesn't then his horrendous stamina soon will.
Bowe by early KO
mrbassie
08-21-2010, 04:24 PM
Agreed, I find the very premise that Sanders could win is ludicrous.
Bowe TKO5.
Agreed, agreed.
Sanders power is getting ridiculously overrated all the time on esb. People want to make Wlad's loss look less bad than it was and Vitali's win over him a big deal. Sanders couldn't knock out the likes of Rahman and now he's going to knock out Bowe? Absurd.
Are we talking about Super Southpaw Sanders or the actual Sanders?
Seamus
08-21-2010, 04:45 PM
Against an ATG prime Heavyweight Champion?
Bowe is not this.
Tho, at his best, he still wins this match-up.
Seamus
08-21-2010, 04:46 PM
Are we talking about Super Southpaw Sanders or the actual Sanders?
They are one and the same.
Cornelius Johannes Sanders... The Pride of Pretoria.
SuzieQ49
08-21-2010, 04:58 PM
Bowe is not this.
Tho, at his best, he still wins this match-up.
Bowe is not a great fighter? :huh
Ramon Rojo
08-21-2010, 04:59 PM
Bowe by KO
Ramon Rojo
08-21-2010, 05:01 PM
Agreed, agreed.
Sanders power is getting ridiculously overrated all the time on esb. People want to make Wlad's loss look less bad than it was and Vitali's win over him a big deal. Sanders couldn't knock out the likes of Rahman and now he's going to knock out Bowe? Absurd.
Sanders was close to konocking out Rahman.
SuzieQ49
08-21-2010, 05:02 PM
Sanders was close to konocking out Rahman.
But he didn't. In fact, he got knocked out by Rahman. Rahman was not hard to knockout. Oleg Maskaev did it...Twice.
A peak Bowe is an absolute top class fighter who would give any ATG problems, and probably take home some wins from them.
Sanders is several levels below this.
mrbassie
08-21-2010, 05:16 PM
But he didn't. In fact, he got knocked out by Rahman. Rahman was not hard to knockout. Oleg Maskaev did it...Twice.
What he said.
Rock0052
08-21-2010, 05:34 PM
Bowe by mid-round stoppage. He'll absorb more punishment than necessary in the process because that's what one of Riddick's trademarks was, but Sanders had crappy conditioning which would probably come back to bite him in this one. I think Bowe simply outlasts, and then outguns him once Corrie gasses. Riddick may not have fought smart, but he was durable enough to outlast Sanders' initial threat IMO.
It is intriguing that Bowe never beat a good big heavyweight, but that's not enough for me to pick a frontrunner like Sanders over him.
tommygun711
08-21-2010, 06:51 PM
The Bowe that fought Holyfield would upset many champions.. he had everything that night, and he was in peak shape..
Seamus
08-21-2010, 07:22 PM
Bowe is not a great fighter? :huh
I do not consider him an ATG, tho he did fight in an ATG series.
SuzieQ49
08-21-2010, 07:34 PM
I do not consider him an ATG, tho he did fight in an ATG series.
He BEAT an ATG in that series. Did you forget that part? How many fighters are capable of beating a prime Evander Holyfield in a trilogy? Not many. Let's go further. Bowe never lost to anyone like Nate Tubbs or Hasim Rahman. In fact, the only fighter Bowe lost too was Evander Holyfield(who, he beat twice).
Corrie Sanders is a career journeyman, with one herculean like effort. Bowe is a career world class fighter.
tommygun711
08-21-2010, 07:50 PM
I do not consider him an ATG, tho he did fight in an ATG series.
Well, he is, and he's certainly greater then all of the fighters today.
Xplosive
08-21-2010, 09:36 PM
Sanders could be in the shape of his life, and Bowe could be fat as hell, and Riddick STILL knocks his ass out!
Both at thier bests.... Bowe KO 2.
Fighting Weight
08-21-2010, 10:09 PM
Sanders was always a puff out? This is wrong. Sanders has gone 10 or 12 rounds many times. I'd go with a motivated and in shape Bowe to win in the ealry to mid 1990's. If Bowe shows up like he did vs Donald, Golota, or Holyfield 3, then Sanders would be my pick to win.
Agenda time again :happy:happy:happy
No version of Sanders stands a chance against Bowe. Sanders was average but became great because he beat WALDO and knocked VITLAY on his arse....all this in his late 30's :patsch
Seamus
08-21-2010, 10:36 PM
Well, he is, and he's certainly greater then all of the fighters today.
Outside of Holyfield, who was thought of more as a placeholder type champ at the time, who the fuck did he ever beat? Bruce Seldon? A coked-up, "thanks for the paycheck" Mike Dokes? The guy's resume is paper thin. He ducked Lewis like a dog and missed out on a bevy of heavyhitters to defend against the Herbie Hides, Dokes and Ferguson's of the world. Then, during what should have still been his prime, he gets destroyed twice by the force of nature known as Golota.
Some all time great.
Seamus
08-21-2010, 10:37 PM
He BEAT an ATG in that series. Did you forget that part? How many fighters are capable of beating a prime Evander Holyfield in a trilogy? Not many. Let's go further. Bowe never lost to anyone like Nate Tubbs or Hasim Rahman. In fact, the only fighter Bowe lost too was Evander Holyfield(who, he beat twice).
Corrie Sanders is a career journeyman, with one herculean like effort. Bowe is a career world class fighter.
You have me mistaken with someone who rates Sanders over Bowe. I am not that person.
kinski
08-22-2010, 03:21 PM
Suzie Q do u know the difference Between A TKO and a KO?! Sanders wasn't KO'd by Rahman and held onto the ropes when they dropped each other.
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