NEW Prediction League: ~ ESB's BIG FIGHT PICKS ~ Pavlik v Taylor & MORE! Please JOIN!

[Decebal]

I suggested there was a gap in the market for a new prediction league that only runs big fights, alongside lbarrow's and kirk's, in this thread:

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So, for this week, huki and I would like to invite you to pick the winner and method of victory for:

Kelly Pavlik ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) 32 (29) - 0 (0) - 0 v. Jermain Taylor ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) 27 (17) - 1 (1) - 1

Nikolay Valuev ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) 47 (34) - 1 (0) - 0 v. Serguei Lyakhovich ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) 23 (14) - 2 (2) - 0

Cristian Mijares ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) 33 (14) - 3 (0) - 2 v. Jose Navarro ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) 26 (12) - 3 (0) - 0

Fernando Montiel ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) 35 (26) - 2 (0) - 1 v. Martin Castillo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) 33 (17) - 2 (1) - 0


Legend for picks:

UD - unanimous decision
Draw - draw
T/KO - stoppage
Close - close decision
Wide - wide decision
UD by x points - decision by x number of points advantage

Take Calzaghe v. Kessler, for example. When making a pick, please write down:

e.g.

Kessler T/KO 12 - Kessler will stop Calzaghe in the 12th round or

Calzaghe UD close - Calzaghe will win by close unanimous decision or

Calzaghe UD by 3* - Calaghe will win a unanimous decision by 3* points*(for example, e.g. 117-114) or

Calzaghe UD wide - Calzaghe will win by wide unanimous decision or

Calzaghe UD by 4* - Calaghe will win a unanimous decision by 4* points*(for example, e.g. 116-112) or

Calzaghe Draw Kessler - it will be a draw

Instead of MD/SD - use "UD close" or "UD by 1 point"

Instead of KO or TKO or DQ or RT (knock out, technical knockout, disqualification or retired) - use T/KO



We have yet to agree the best method of scoring...please decide which method of scoring we should use:

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By next week, we should have just one system - either the "UD close/wide system" or the "UD by so many points advantage system", or possibly, a better one. (Sorry about the confusion).

Good luck and may the best picker win!:happy

[northend]

Pavlik t/ko 7

Valuev t/ko 9

Mijares close Ud

Montiel close ud.

[brooklyn1550]

Pavlik T/KO 6 - Pavlik will stop Taylor in the 6th round
Valuev UD by 4 - Valuev will win a unanimous decision by 4 rounds (116-112)
Mijares T/KO 10 - Mijares will stop Navarro in the 10th round
Montiel UD by 4 - Montiel will win a unanimous decision by 4 rounds (116-112)

[Smith]

I'll be one of the first in, not a problem having another league, although Kirks & eze's format and history:yep is unbeatable. I'm not sure the 'by x rounds' is such a good idea in practice'
Anyway;
__________________

Pavlik vs Taylor
Taylor T/KO11

Valuev vs Lyakhovic
Lyakhovic UD Close

Mijares vs Navarro
Mijares UD Wide

Montiel vs Castillo
Montiel T/KO9


_______________________

Cheers Decebal

[northend]

It would be nice if we could get these prediction threads put up with a sticky so we wouldn't have to search for them all the time.

Whats up ESB?Can ya make these(this one,lbarrows and kirk's) stickies?

[Decebal]

Pavlik T/KO 6 - Pavlik will stop Taylor in the 6th round
Valuev by UD - Valuev will win a unanimous decision
Mijares T/KO 10 - Mijares will stop Navarro in the 10th round
Montiel UD by 4 - Montiel will win a unanimous decision by 4 rounds (116-112)

brooklyn1550, you might want to have a stab at which kind of UD Valuev will win: close or wide; or number of rounds difference. More points on offer!:good

[brooklyn1550]

brooklyn1550, you might want to have a stab at which kind of UD Valuev will win: close or wide; or number of rounds difference.:good

Refer to my original post; I edited it. Still not comfortable enough to make a pick.:good

[Decebal]

Refer to my original post; I edited it. Still not comfortable enough to make a pick.:good

:good

(just making sure and reminding the others!):good

[Smith]

I'm either going to look really dumb after saturday, or really smart. Not only am I choosing Taylor over Pavlik, but White wolf over Valuev. I get them wrong and i'll be fighting relegation in the leagues for the rest of the year.
I'm confident in the white wolf prediction though, however, the middelweight clash still has me scratching my heed.

[C Money]

Pavlik TKO 9
Lyakhovich Close UD
Mijares Wide UD
Montiel TKO 10

[Kegsy]

Kelly Pavlik - T/KO 6
Nikolay Valuev - T/KO 11
Cristian Mijares - Wide Decision
Fernando Montiel - Close Decision

[TFFP]

Pavlik T/KO 9

Valuev UD Wide

Mijares UD Wide

Montiel UD Close

[Amsterdam]

Pavlik TKO 5

Montiel TKO 11

Mijares, the god, TKO 9

Valuev close UD

[randeris]

Pavlik stoppage 9th

Valuev close UD

Mijares wide UD

Montiel close UD

[theunderdog]

Pavlik T/KO 8

Montiel close UD

Mijares wide UD

Valuev close UD

:good

[JMP]

Pavlik T/KO 8
Montiel close UD
Mijares wide UD
Valuev close UD

[o_money]

Taylor T/KO 5

Lyakhovic UD Close

Mijares UD Wide

Montiel UD Wide

[KO Boxing]

Taylor UD Close

Valuev UD Wide

Mijares UD Wide

Montiel UD Close

[huki]

Pavlik TKO 7
Castillo close UD
Mijares TKO 10
Valuev close UD

[KobeIsGod]

Pavlik wide UD by 9 rounds over Taylor - taylor looks to survive
Valuev T/KO 10-The White Kitten is shot and gunshy, 2 fights in 3 years :patsch valuev's size wears him down
Mijares T/KO 9
Montiel close UD

i dont shit about the last 2 fights so i steal brooklyn's picks :yep

[Decebal]

:bump

[Amsterdam]

Pavlik TKO 7
Castillo close UD
Mijares TKO 10
Valuev close UD

You just had to wait until all of your main competition posted the picks eh Huki?:yep

[huki]

You just had to wait until all of your main competition posted the picks eh Huki?:yep
I wanted to see if any of you had the balls to pick good ol' Castillo but apparently nobody does. :D I really do favor Castillo though, I didn't just pick him to be different. Also, If Lyakhovich isn't affected greatly by the layoff he has a good chance against Valuev. In a close fight the judges will definitely go with Valuev though. I thought Mijares would win by stoppage the moment the fight was announced. I'm surprised that you think less highly of God than I do with that 11th round stoppage pick. A looking-to-impress TV Mijares should get Navarro out of there before the championship rounds.

[Faetter_BR]

Taylor UD 116-112
Valuev close UD 115-113
Mijares Wide UD
Castillo UD 116-112

No KO this time :o)

[Arriba]

Pavlik T/KO 7

Valuev Close UD

Mijares T/KO 11

Montiel Close UD

[kg0208]

Pavlik T/KO 8th

Valuev T/KO 6th

Mijares UD wide (by 6 points or more)

Castillo UD close

[Govanmauler]

Taylor T/ko 10
Montiel Close UD
Mijares Wide UD
Lyakovich Close UD

[brown bomber]

Taylor t/ko 7

Valuev wide Ud

Mijares close Ud

Montiel close ud.

[Tom_Tocca]

Pavlik T/KO 10

Valuev close UD

Mijares wide UD

Castillo close UD

[MSTR]

I would love to join. WIll have my picks up later.:good

[McGrain]

Pavlik vs Taylor
Taylor T/KO 5

Valuev vs Lyakhovic
Lyakhovic close UD

Mijares vs Navarro
Mijares wide UD

Montiel vs Castillo
Montiel by 4 rounds

OK Dec.

[Maxime]

Taylor UD Close
Valuev UD Wide
Navarro UD Close
Montiel T/KO 10

[pioterbezkitu]

Pavlik T/KO 10
Lyakhovich closeUD
Mijares wideUD by 4 points
Montiel T/KO 10

[MSTR]

Pavlik TKO 10

Valuev UD by 3 points

Mijares UD by 6 points

Montiel TKO 11

:deal

[Sweet Pea]

Pavlik by KO in 8

Valuev by Decision(7-5)

Mijares by Decision(9-3)

Montiel by Decision(8-4)

[unitas]

Valuev by close UD.

pavlik by tko 10

mijares by UD.

montiel by UD.

[Decebal]

Valuev by close UD.

pavlik by tko 10

mijares by UD.

montiel by UD.

Thank you...what kind of UD for mijares and montiel? Close or wide? You can specify at any time before the fights start!:good

[Rise Above]

Pavlik T/KO - Round 8

Valuev - Wide UD

Mijares - Close UD

Montiel - Close UD

[BewareofDawg]

Pavlik Knocks Out Taylor in Round 9 - I'll give Taylor the benefit of the doubt and say he lasts longer, but nobody has been in the ring with Pavlik for more than 9 rounds and he won't either.

White Wolf gets a Close UD over Valuev - 7 - 5 maybe, if its a 10 round fight then 7-3.

Mijares gets a Wide UD - 8-4 maybe 9-3.....I'll go with 9-3 for scoring purposes

Montiel wins by TKO - ref stoppage in the 7th round

Thanks bro :good

[Dorfmeister]

Taylor UD close

Lyakhovich UD by 3

Mijares T/KO 8

Montiel UD by 4

Thank You Decebal

[RealIzm]

Pavlik T/KO 5 - Pavlik stops Taylor in the 5th rd

Valuev UD - Valuev will win a close decision

Montiel UD - Montiel will win a wide decision

Mijares T/KO 8 - Mijares will stop Navarro in the 8th rd

Thanks again Decebal:good

[dangerousity]

Pavlik T/KO 9.
Valuev close UD.
Montiel close UD. (probably an SD)
Mijares Wide UD.

[King Dan]

Pavlik t/ko 8

Liakovich close ud

Mijares close Ud

Montiel close ud.

[Pimp C]

Pavlik Close UD

Castillo Close UD

Mijares wide UD

White wolf close UD

[teke]

Taylor tko 4

Valuev tko 9

Mijares close Ud

Montiel close ud.

[Smith]

Sure I'll join.

Taylor TKO 11 Pavlik, 2:36.
Liakovitch SD 115-113, 115-114, 116-112 The White Wolf.
Mijares SD
Montiel, KO 5.You gaining influence from my picks you rat bastard:yep

[sues2nd]

Taylor T/KO 7
Lyakhovich Close UD
Mijares Wide UD
Castillo T/KO 8

As long as we keep this as just big fights I can do it.

[Kolya]

Pavlik TKO 8
Valuev UD 115-113 Lyakhovich
Mijares UD 117-111 Navarro
Montiel UD 116-112 Castillo

[Decebal]

Taylor T/KO 7
Lyakhovich Close UD
Mijares Wide UD
Castillo T/KO 8

As long as we keep this as just big fights I can do it.

We'll only run big fights:deal ....not many of us have time for more than big fights, alas...:good

[Tom_Tocca]

Nikolay Valuev - UD - Serguei Lyakhovich (he never loses in Germany)

He alread did :yep !

Your plain bias (not just you but many of the American posters on ESB) against point verdicts in Germany sucks big time!

1 example: Just because Ottke earned 2 gifts, every fight that's close is a robbery in your eyes...

You should open them and actually watch them yourself instead just reading the decision and cry robbery.

How come I am able to struggle watching all big fights worldwide and give my opinion afterwards and you lazy clowns not even seeing a fight and basing your opinion on something written about it?

You just can't cry out about a fight held in Germany because there were some fishy decisions (the US or any other country also has its fair share of those so called robberies) in the past.

Also alot of fighters from overseas actually won vs. the homie in Germany, like Harris, Rivera, Cunningham, Ibragimov...

So before going all out whining about a decision you should first watch the fight.

[Daddy]

Pavlik TKO 5
Montiel SD
Valuev Close UD
Mijares Wide UD

[sues2nd]

He alread did :yep !

Your plain bias (not just you but many of the American posters on ESB) against point verdicts in Germany sucks big time!

1 example: Just because Ottke earned 2 gifts, every fight that's close is a robbery in your eyes...

You should open them and actually watch them yourself instead just reading the decision and cry robbery.

How come I am able to struggle watching all big fights worldwide and give my opinion afterwards and you lazy clowns not even seeing a fight and basing your opinion on something written about it?

You just can't cry out about a fight held in Germany because there were some fishy decisions (the US or any other country also has its fair share of those so called robberies) in the past.

Also alot of fighters from overseas actually won vs. the homie in Germany, like Harris, Rivera, Cunningham, Ibragimov...

So before going all out whining about a decision you should first watch the fight.

There are bum decisions everywhere. And this is far from an "American poster" issue here. Plenty of non-American posters point to biased American judging...but this is a boxing issue as a whole, not an isolated nationalistic issue.

I have seen horrible decisions in France, Germany, US, Mexico, Argentina, Canada, Japan, etc. Im sure if we discovered men on mars and there were some fighters, thered be some crap decisions there as well. Corruption exists anywhere where money exists. The quicker people realize this, the quicker we can get past this nationalistic bullshit and start talking boxing.

:good

[Tom_Tocca]

There are bum decisions everywhere. And this is far from an "American poster" issue here. Plenty of non-American posters point to biased American judging...but this is a boxing issue as a whole, not an isolated nationalistic issue.

I have seen horrible decisions in France, Germany, US, Mexico, Argentina, Canada, Japan, etc. Im sure if we discovered men on mars and there were some fighters, thered be some crap decisions there as well. Corruption exists anywhere where money exists. The quicker people realize this, the quicker we can get past this nationalistic bullshit and start talking boxing.

:good

Asolutely (Hopefully Lewis won't sue me for that :D )!

But if you look over the threads on ESB alot of people blame Germany to the max instead of taking a look around th world scene.

But my problem just isn't Germany but just every fight that's not held in the states (involving a US based boxer) and therefore cannot be seen live on TV (though the clever ones receive them via internet). You will see alot of guys crying robbery just after those kinda fights without actually watching them...

[PATSYS]

Pavlik T/KO 5
Valuev UD Close
Mijares UD Wide
Montiel UD Close

[andyZOR]

Taylor T/ko 8

Montiel T/ ko 8

Mijares T/ko 10

WhiteWolf - SD

[nickthegreek]

Cheers for the PM mate :good

Anyway, a few picks from me this week that i can't see many people agreeing with.

Taylor Close UD
Lyakovich Close UD
Mijares TKO7
Montiel TKO5

[samita]

Taylor by KO!

[Decebal]

Kelly Pavlik T/KO 5 :happy

Nikolay Valuev T/KO 10 :bbb

Cristian Mijares T/KO 10 :think

Fernando Montiel T/KO 11 :cool:

[Decebal]

I promise: we're only going to run big fights!:deal

You might feel frustrated we don't run all the fights you would wish to pick for (kirk and especially lbarrow do a great job for those who want to pick broadly), but you shouldn't have any reason to say: "why the hell are we running this fight this week; never heard of these guys, nor should I have!":deal

:good

[joekirkbycobra]

jermaine taylor ud/116-112

nickolay valuev tko/10

mijares ud/clear

montiel cd

[Decebal]

jermaine taylor ud/116-112

nickolay valuev tko/10

mijares ud/clear

montiel cd

cd? clear decision?

[joekirkbycobra]

cd? clear decision?

yea sorry should of put ud first

[Marcus]

Kelly Pavlik ([Only registered and activated users can see links])KO 8

Serguei Lyakhovich ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) wide ud

Jose Navarro ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) KO11

Fernando Montiel ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) close ud

[Florida boy]

Taylor T/KO 6
Castillo UD
Mijares UD
Valuev UD

[BewareofDawg]

Sure I'll join.

Taylor TKO 11 Pavlik, 2:36.
.
Stick to corny one-liners and Tina Turner CD reviews. Taylors getting dropped and dropped hard :deal Oh, but we're all stoked you joined Jack :patsch

[Shake]

Pavlik vs Taylor -- Pavlik TKO8

Valuev UD by 4 - Valuev will win a unanimous decision by 2 rounds (115-113)

Mijares wide UD

Montiel UD by 4 - Montiel will win a unanimous decision by 2 rounds (115-113)

[Shake]

And I'm definitely up for this league. I expect to never miss a single week.

Thanks for hosting it!

[Asterion]

Valuev UD wide

Montiel T/KO11

Pavlik T/KO4

Mijares UD close

[Lance_Uppercut]

Pavlik T/KO Taylor by 9
Lyakhovich close UD
Mijares T/KO 7
Castillo UD by 3

[huki]

Jose Navarro ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) KO11

:yikes

I hope this is meant to be a joke.

[Caliboxing]

Pavlik tko Taylor

Lyakhovich sd Valuev

Mijares ud Navarro

Montiel ud Castillo

[Punisher33]

Pavlik over Taylor by KO 7th round
Valuev over Liakhovich by KO 8th round
Mijares over Navarro by UD
Castillo over Montiel by UD

[RUSKULL]

Pavlik KO 5 Taylor
Valuev TKO 9 Liakhovich
Mijares UD Navarro
Castillo UD Montiel

[cuchulain]

Taylor - wide UD (or T/KO)
Valuev - close UD
Mijares T/KO
Montiel -close UD

[kg0208]

While most are picking Montiel (I picked Castillo), no one seems to be picking anything to overwhelming on either side.

[huki]

While most are picking Montiel (I picked Castillo), no one seems to be picking anything to overwhelming on either side.
How confident are you in your Castillo pick? I was going with Montiel until I rewatched some of their fights from the last few years. If Castillo fights smart, stays on the outside and doesn't brawl too much he should be able to win a decision. Although I'm worried about Castillo's stamina and his face getting cut up, Montiel is too limited and hittable.. even for a past-prime Castillo. Hopefully he won't get pressured by the crowd to brawl and make it a more entertaining fight so we could win. :D

[kg0208]

How confident are you in your Castillo pick? I was going with Montiel until I rewatched some of their fights from the last few years. If Castillo fights smart, stays on the outside and doesn't brawl too much he should be able to win a decision. Although I'm worried about Castillo's stamina and his face getting cut up, Montiel is too limited and hittable.. even for a past-prime Castillo. Hopefully he won't get pressured by the crowd to brawl and make it a more entertaining fight so we could win. :D

Not even a little confident. I think it's a literal toss up. I am going with experience here. Johnson, past his best and past his best weight, beat Montiel. However, Castillo is not in that league. But I think if he boxes, he can make Montiel very uncomfortable.

[brooklyn1550]

How confident are you in your Castillo pick? I was going with Montiel until I rewatched some of their fights from the last few years. If Castillo fights smart, stays on the outside and doesn't brawl too much he should be able to win a decision. Although I'm worried about Castillo's stamina and his face getting cut up, Montiel is too limited and hittable.. even for a past-prime Castillo. Hopefully he won't get pressured by the crowd to brawl and make it a more entertaining fight so we could win. :D

Huki, off topic, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this...

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[MSTR]

How confident are you in your Castillo pick? I was going with Montiel until I rewatched some of their fights from the last few years. If Castillo fights smart, stays on the outside and doesn't brawl too much he should be able to win a decision. Although I'm worried about Castillo's stamina and his face getting cut up, Montiel is too limited and hittable.. even for a past-prime Castillo. Hopefully he won't get pressured by the crowd to brawl and make it a more entertaining fight so we could win. :D

Castillo likes to mix it up though, and likes to fight on the inside, the fights against Ishihara being a good example. Factor in the explosiveness of Montiel, and I have little doubt Castillo will start to mix it up with him. I see a close fight taking place, with the power of Montiel breaking down Castillo in the latter rounds. Close fight though no doubt. Does anyone else think that some of these lower weight classes are EXTREMELY under rated with some genuinely talented fighters?

[cardstars]

How confident are you in your Castillo pick? I was going with Montiel until I rewatched some of their fights from the last few years. If Castillo fights smart, stays on the outside and doesn't brawl too much he should be able to win a decision. Although I'm worried about Castillo's stamina and his face getting cut up, Montiel is too limited and hittable.. even for a past-prime Castillo. Hopefully he won't get pressured by the crowd to brawl and make it a more entertaining fight so we could win. :D

Maybe the draw is the one to shoot for in this fight :lol:

[brooklyn1550]

Does anyone else think that some of these lower weight classes are EXTREMELY under rated with some genuinely talented fighters?

I do - some of these guys in the lower weights go unnoticed (Calderon, Mijares, Montiel, Castillo) but they are damn good, some are even great.

[cardstars]

Allright heres mine Decebal:

Pavlik ko10
Montiel UD by 2
Mijares UD by 6
Valuev tko9

[cardstars]

I do - some of these guys in the lower weights go unnoticed (Calderon, Mijares, Montiel, Castillo) but they are damn good, some are even great.

Calderon goes WAAAY unnoticed

[MSTR]

I do - some of these guys in the lower weights go unnoticed (Calderon, Mijares, Montiel, Castillo) but they are damn good, some are even great.

I think what makes it deceptive is the amount of good fighters floating around at these weight classes. Where as most higher divisions have a couple of really top class fighters, some of the lower weight classes have a lot of top guys, which are all willing to fight each other. Makes for some great, competitive fights. I definitely want to devote more time this year to watching these guys.

[brooklyn1550]

Calderon goes WAAAY unnoticed

It's ashame too that he's finally starting to get noticed by more people. He's seen his best days and is slipping. Pressure fighters give him real trouble now.

[cardstars]

It's ashame too that he's finally starting to get noticed by more people. He's seen his best days and is slipping. Pressure fighters give him real trouble now.

Yeh I agree. How do you think he would look nowadays against Solis, think he could hang in there?

[brooklyn1550]

Yeh I agree. How do you think he would look nowadays against Solis, think he could hang in there?

I haven't seen too much of Solis, but from what I have seen, he's strong and punches very hard. Maybe Calderon could outbox him and stay away for all 12, but I'd probably favor Solis based off of what I said about him. Cazares-Calderon 2 would be very dangerous for Ivan too. I'd like to see him return to 105.

What do you think about Solis-Calderon?

[cardstars]

I haven't seen too much of Solis, but from what I have seen, he's strong and punches very hard. Maybe Calderon could outbox him and stay away for all 12, but I'd probably favor Solis based off of what I said about him. Cazares-Calderon 2 would be very dangerous for Ivan too. I'd like to see him return to 105.

What do you think about Solis-Calderon?

To be honest, from what I have seen of Ulises he is pretty stationary and not that hard to hit. He is quick to hit back though (much like Cotto). Like you said too; strong with good power. I would take a prime Calderon to decision him no problem, but its a tougher pick with the current version (which still isn't bad by any means though). I would honestly lean towards Calderon for a close UD. I think the Iron Boy could keep moving around Solis to frustrate him and stick to jabs and quick combos to take it.

[acb]

Ok, here are my picks

Pavlik KO 8
Castillo SD
Mijares UD
White Wolf (close SD)

[Decebal]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO ALL WHO JOINED SO FAR!

Please keep your predictions coming!


PLEASE VOTE for your preferred method of SCORING picks!

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[Decebal]

Please vote for your preferred method of scoring in this league:

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[Decebal]

:bump

[dan-b]

Pavlik UD by 3*
Lyakhovich UD by 2*
Navarro UD by 1*
Montiel UD by 3*

[Decebal]

:bump

[Decebal]

Please vote for your preferred method of scoring in this league:

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[Carlos Primera]

can i join? here are my picks:

Pavlik KO 9

lyakhovich UD by 2

Mijares UD by 6

Castillo UD by 2

[PacDbest]

I don't care How you going to score this, I just give you my pick.

Pavlik KO5
Mijares UD wide(Navarro winning 2 rds)
Montiel TKO on cuts(rd 10)
Valuev Close UD(Maybe a gift decision)

[psychopath]

Alright I'm in . . .

Taylor via CLOSE UD (116 - 114)
Valuev via T/KO (8th round)
Mijares via T/KO (9th round)
Montiel via UD (117 -111)

[Wige247]

Pavlik t/ko 9

Valuev UD 3

Mijares wide UD

Montiel close ud.

[Carlos Primera]

wow, castillo is being slept on a lot. gonna make this win all the more sweeter.

[Decebal]

Thank you all for joining!:happy

[cardstars]

Allright heres mine Decebal:

Pavlik ko10
Montiel UD by 2
Mijares UD by 6
Valuev tko9

Considering what scoring method I voted for here are my picks:

Pavlik ko10
Montiel close UD
Mijares wide UD
Valuev tko9

[Decebal]

Please don't worry about the way you picked fights this week ("wide/close" or points difference or scores, etc.) No one will lose out! I promise!:goodNo need to write your pick in a different way. :deal

[Decebal]

The system used to score fights will be the following, as voted by you:

correct winner = 15
correct winner + correct decision pick = 25
correct winner + correct stoppage pick = 30Decision picks:

correct wide or close decision pick* = 30Stoppage picks**:

3 rounds or less off correct stoppage round = 35
1 round off correct stoppage round = 40
correct stoppage round = 45Draw = 50 points

* a wide unanimous decision: a decision where all three judges score the fight for one fighter and two or more of the judges' scores are four points or more apart e.g. 116-112, 115-111, 116-111, etc.
* a close unanimous decision: a decision where all three judges score the fight for one fighter and two or more of the judges' scores are three points or less apart e.g. 115-112, 116-113, 114-112, etc. A split decision or a majority decision is scored as a close unanimous decision.

** a disqualification or retirement will count as a stoppage win.

Blue ribbon events - really big fights like Pavlik v. Taylor, Calzaghe v. Hopkins, etc. - will count for twice the points as usual big fights. Scores for those blue ribbon events get multiplied by two.

When there are four or more fights in one week, a 30 point bonus will be added to the total scores for those who get a "clean sweep" (pick all the winners correctly).

How to post your picks:

Please post your picks as follows:

"Calzaghe UD wide", if you think Calzaghe will win a decision over Kessler at a difference of points greater or equal to four points

"Calzaghe UD close", if you think Calzaghe will win a decision over Kessler at a difference of points smaller or equal to three points

"Kessler T/KO 3", if you think Kessler will beat Calzaghe by stoppage, disqualification or retirement in the third round.

"Calzaghe Draw Kessler" if you think the fight between Calzaghe and Kessler will end up a draw.

Joining late

Anyone can join the league at any time, even late. In order to give late starters a chance to compete fairly, they will start in the middle of the pack, at the median position, out of those who have participated every week.

Missing a week

If for some reason you miss a week and you are in the top 10 in the league, you will maintain your points' difference over the picker who ends up one spot above the spot you had, for one week only. Everyone has 3 lives (will be "saved" up to three times). This, to ensure top pickers are not demotivated by their failure to pick one week.

Good luck!:good

[Decebal]

This week, since no one knew how to write down their picks, no one will be disadvantaged for their pick, within reason. I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt so there's no need to alter your posts or anything like that.:good

For example, if you have picked a decision by three points' difference e.g. UD 117-114, this will be classed as wide if actual scores have a six point spread or less.

Pavlik v. Taylor is a blue ribbon event.

[Decebal]

Anyone else want to join?:D

[Darien]

I'll join.

Taylor close UD
Valuev close UD
Mijares wide UD
Montiel close UD

[Zakman]

Pavlik T/KO 5
Valuev close UD
Mijares wide UD
Montiel T/KO 9

[Decebal]

:bump

[Rock0052]

I'm in:

Pavlik T/KO 6
Valuev T/KO 11
Castillo close UD
Mijares T/KO 10

[huki]

Pavlik TKO 7
Castillo close UD
Mijares TKO 10
Valuev close UD

After seeing the weighin, I'm changing my "Valuev close UD" pick to "Valuev wide UD". I can't edit my original post, so I'll just post it like this and I messaged Decebal to count this and not count the close UD pick.

[Decebal]

Yeah, if you wish to change your picks, best thing is to quote your original post and say how you want to change it, if you cannot edit.:good

[Lampley]

Pavlik T/KO 5
Valuev T/KO 11
Mijares UD by 4
Montiel UD by 2

[IntentionalButt]

:think

Pavlik T/KO8 Taylor
Valuev close (and controversial) UD Liakhovich
Mijares wide/shutout UD Navarro
Montiel TKO8 Castillo (cuts)

[Decebal]

:bump

[El Bombasto]

Pavlik TKO8
Valuev TKO9
Mijares Close UD
Montiel TKO10

[andyZOR]

Go Liachovich!!!!!!

Yea!

[dragosuhail]

Pavlik T/KO 6 - Pavlik will stop Taylor in the 6th round
Valuev UD by 4 - Valuev will win a unanimous decision by 4 rounds (116-112)
Mijares T/KO 10 - Mijares will stop Navarro in the 10th round
Montiel UD by 4 - Montiel will win a unanimous decision by 4 rounds (116-112)

my idea is similar to brooklyn's. however, i think mijares goes the distance with navarro.

but i must admit i haven't seen hardly anything on navarro!

:good cheers decebal

[MSTR]

:-( For whoever has the job of tallying the results.

[sjc]

Pavlik KO 6
Valuev UD 7 5
Mijares KO 10
Montiel UD 8 4

[Decebal]

my idea is similar to brooklyn's. however, i think mijares goes the distance with navarro.

but i must admit i haven't seen hardly anything on navarro!

:good cheers decebal

Pavlik T/KO 6 - Pavlik will stop Taylor in the 6th round
Valuev UD by 4 - Valuev will win a unanimous decision by 4 rounds (116-112)
Mijares wide UD - Mijares will stop Navarro in the 10th round
Montiel UD by 4 - Montiel will win a unanimous decision by 4 rounds (116-112)

???

[Decebal]

:-( For whoever has the job of tallying the results.

This week, it's going to be me...from next week onwards, pretty much just huki.

[Decebal]

Anyone else want to join?:D

[196osh]

Pavlik T/KO 8
Valuev UD
Mijares wide UD
Montiel UD

[Decebal]

The White Wolf will maul Andre the Giant!!!

Nah, WW is toothless; AtG carries a big club.

[Decebal]

Let's have another couple of entries, please!:good

[Astola]

Taylor TKO 6 (I may be way off - Its a feeling - not rationale)
Valuev TKO 9
Mijares wide UD
Montiel TKO 10

[Decebal]

Trusty Astola! Welcome!:good

[Astola]

Trusty Astola! Welcome!:good

Thanks mate! Great initiative btw:good

[Decebal]

No more picks. Thank you.:good

[Decebal]

Results:



Valuev UD 120-108, 120-108, 120-107 = wide UD.

[Kolya]

I didn't expect that much of an ownage. Man, Lyakhovich is baaaaaad. How did this guy beat Brewster?

[Decebal]

I didn't expect that much of an ownage. Man, Lyakhovich is baaaaaad. How did this guy beat Brewster?

I went for Valuev by stoppage. :(

SL is finished. Better chin than I thought though.

[cardstars]

Taylor TKO 6 (I may be way off - Its a feeling - not rationale)
Valuev TKO 9
Mijares wide UD
Montiel TKO 10

:lol: everyone going with Taylor says this.....

[andyZOR]

bah

Fuck White Wolf. Fat arse.

[Decebal]

bah

Fuck White Wolf. Fat arse.

I just cannot understand why anyone would have picked SL...:-(

[Raging B(_)LL]

Pavlik by KO between rounds 5-9.

Taylor simply does not react well when someone is pressuring him effectively and throwing some heavy leather his way. As long as Kelly keeps his hands up and comes in behind that long jab of his and follows it up with rights and doesn`t forget to throw those short left hooks on the inside he should wear his man down and stop him by the middle rounds.

Also, I doubt that Taylor has corrected his habit of backing himself into corners or against the ropes whenever he is forced backwards, and if he still keeps that left hand low he is in for another knockout loss. His best bet would be to come out kamikaze style and try to catch Pavlik cold, as he has shown to be vulnerable in the early rounds.

But if Jermaine can`t do it and lets Pavlik get into the fight he is toast. Taylor needs to use a LOT of lateral movement in this fight and keep that jab in Kelly`s face every round, and whenever they get in close quarters he should use that uppercut of his which has seemingly disapeared from his arsenal.

Either way, I doubt that Taylor has adapted his style at all for this fight, and I believe it will only be a matter of time until Pavlik finds him with the right hand and takes him out. Pavlik to me is the smarter fighter of the two as demonstrated by each fighter`s reaction when hurt (Pavlik clinched while Taylor backed himself into a corner, covered up and allowed himself to be teed off on at will), and as such I think he will walka way the winner tonight

[Smith]

I just cannot understand why anyone would have picked SL...:-(I truly thought he would outword Valuev. D'oh. What a useless prick.

[andyZOR]

I truly thought he would outword Valuev. D'oh. What a useless prick.

I thought the same.

[IntentionalButt]

:readthre:

[Smith]

Decebal, in regards to the Mijares fight, I had Mijares wide UD, however one of the judges fucked up and awarded Navarro 120-108. Maybe have to look into it as a mistake by the judge, this should nto affect it not being a wide decision.

[KobeIsGod]

I just cannot understand why anyone would have picked SL...:-(

valuev was disappointing too. he had several opportunities to close the show and didnt do it. sergie was ripe for the pickens. valuev is a solid hw but nothing more

[andyZOR]

valuev was disappointing too. he had several opportunities to close the show and didnt do it. sergie was ripe for the pickens. valuev is a solid hw but nothing more
A shutout on all cards is dissapointing?!

[IntentionalButt]

Decebal, in regards to the Mijares fight, I had Mijares wide UD, however one of the judges fucked up and awarded Navarro 120-108. Maybe have to look into it as a mistake by the judge, this should nto affect it not being a wide decision.

I would imagine for our purposes that will be regarded as a wide UD. I trust Decebal to be fair. :good

[Decebal]

I would imagine for our purposes that will be regarded as a wide UD. I trust Decebal to be fair. :good

What happened? Did the judge score the shut-out for Navarro by mistake, intending to score it for Mijares? Or was he just another one of those crazy/currupt judges?

Is anyone against calling it a wide UD?:huh

(I haven't watched the fight. Just got up. Has Pavlik v. Taylor started yet?)

[IntentionalButt]

What happened? Did the judge score the shut-out for Navarro by mistake, intending to score it for Mijares? Or was he just another one of those crazy/currupt judges?

Is anyone against calling it a wide UD?:huh

(I haven't watched the fight. Just got up. Has Pavlik v. Taylor started yet?)

The judge had to have been confused as to which corner was which. It is inconceivable for that to have been accurate scoring. You could argue that 120-108 is a little too wide for Mijares (by at the most, three rounds), but nobody watching that fight could have had Navarro winning.

[MSTR]

What happened? Did the judge score the shut-out for Navarro by mistake, intending to score it for Mijares? Or was he just another one of those crazy/currupt judges?

Is anyone against calling it a wide UD?:huh

(I haven't watched the fight. Just got up. Has Pavlik v. Taylor started yet?)

Although I picked Mijares by Wide UD, I am certainly against it. It wil make things become too subjective if every time a close/bad decision takes place we go with our own result. Thats part of the risk in analyzing fights... Deal with it. The judges decision should be final.

[KobeIsGod]

A shutout on all cards is dissapointing?!

no it was a good performance. imo, liak is shot even more so than i thought. liak just had nothing. he was a punching bag. looked almost drugged. valuev could have easily finished him and didnt. that's what got me a little disappointed. hws are supposed to close the show. solid win

[IntentionalButt]

Although I picked Mijares by Wide UD, I am certainly against it. It wil make things become too subjective if every time a close/bad decision takes place we go with our own result. Thats part of the risk in analyzing fights... Deal with it. The judges decision should be final.
I think you're missing the issue at hand here. What is being discussed is whether that was in fact the judge's intended scoring. I am waiting for Lampley to announce that it was a mistake or for boxrec to update the scores.

This was not a close fight. If it was Doug Tucker's intended score, "bad" is not the word for it. That score, as subjective as this all is, is virtually impossible.

[MSTR]

Well, I knew that Castillo would end up trading with the more explosive Montiel... Its in his nature. And I doubted his chin to some degree... BUt i don't think anyone was expecting it to happen that early. Valuev v White WOlf didn't suprise at all, Valuev isn't a good finisher, but stylistically was always going to be hard for the white wolf to over come at this point. Now for the important match up...

[MSTR]

I think you're missing the issue at hand here. What is being discussed is whether that was in fact the judge's intended scoring. I am waiting for Lampley to announce that it was a mistake or for boxrec to update the scores.

This was not a close fight. If it was Doug Tucker's intended score, "bad" is not the word for it. That score, as subjective as this all is, is virtually impossible.

But if a mistake has been made then it will surely be announced. It will set a bad precedent if we start making our own minds up. THe issue hasn't been missed at all, just a different opinion to yours.

[IntentionalButt]

Well, I knew that Castillo would end up trading with the more explosive Montiel... Its in his nature. And I doubted his chin to some degree... BUt i don't think anyone was expecting it to happen that early. Valuev v White WOlf didn't suprise at all, Valuev isn't a good finisher, but stylistically was always going to be hard for the white wolf to over come at this point. Now for the important match up...

A Pavlik-Taylor non-title fight more important than either of tonight's 115 lb bouts? :lol::lol:

It's barely more important than Valuev-Liakhovich.

Though it is fairly entertaining so far.

[IntentionalButt]

But if a mistake has been made then it will surely be announced. It will set a bad precedent if we start making our own minds up. THe issue hasn't been missed at all, just a different opinion to yours.

So if someone picked Calzaghe wide ud, and one judge gave Lacy every round, that person should not be credited with the correct prediction?

[MSTR]

A Pavlik-Taylor non-title fight more important than either of tonight's 115 lb bouts? :lol::lol:

It's barely more important than Valuev-Liakhovich.

Though it is fairly entertaining so far.

:patsch:patsch

In terms of tipping it is for me, as I have both cash bet and it is the joker match up in other comps. I also thought this match up was being used for more points in this comp, or a similar idea had been suggested.

[IntentionalButt]

:patsch:patsch

In terms of tipping it is for me, as I have both cash bet and it is the joker match up in other comps. I also thought this match up was being used for more points in this comp, or a similar idea had been suggested.

Yeah, I don't agree with that at all. The undercard is where the "blue ribbon" fights were tonight. :good

[MSTR]

So if someone picked Calzaghe wide ud, and one judge gave Lacy every round, that person should not be credited with the correct prediction?

No, you go off the judges scorecards. Because it will lead to FAR to much disagreement when it comes to fights that aren't so clear cut. It just provides people with an opportunity to try and over throw decisions that didn't go their way. And IT IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE PICKING PROCESS. If a fighter goes to Germany, and isn't a puncher, thinking about the judging taking place should be a factor in choosing your pick. You can't change the outcome BECAUSE IT SUITS YOU. As stated earlier, I would stand to benefit from this also in this instance.

[IntentionalButt]

No, you go off the judges scorecards. Because it will lead to FAR to much disagreement when it comes to fights that aren't so clear cut. It just provides people with an opportunity to try and over throw decisions that didn't go their way. And IT IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE PICKING PROCESS. If a fighter goes to Germany, and isn't a puncher, thinking about the judging taking place should be a factor in choosing your pick. You can't change the outcome BECAUSE IT SUITS YOU. As stated earlier, I would stand to benefit from this also in this instance.
Okay, you can predict hometown judging, or factor it into your prediction. How does one factor things like corruption/psychosis/human error in filling out the scorecards? Honestly I am 100% convinced that scorecard was in error and that it was not meant to have been for Navarro. Why it has not been corrected by now is beyond me. Maybe the judge has already left the event and/or cannot be contacted? Or is embarassed?

So first of all, I'm convinced that the black and white result will be amended. Secondly, you're putting the black and white result on far too high a pedestal. This is a prediction league on an internet forum. We're not exchanging money - we're not even exchanging vcash. All that is at stake is the satisfaction of having predicted the outcome of the fight. Really not formal enough to need to be done unconditionally "by the book". I'm not sure why you're acting like there's some sense of integrity we need to preserve here. I don't really care how it affects my prediction. This just doesn't strike me as something formal enough where we should be saying "Nope, the following people predicted the fight wrong (even though they predicted it on the money) because Doug Tucker defied logic and we have to go by what's on boxrec".

[MSTR]

Okay, you can predict hometown judging, or factor it into your prediction. How does one factor things like corruption/psychosis/human error in filling out the scorecards? Honestly I am 100% convinced that scorecard was in error and that it was not meant to have been for Navarro. Why it has not been corrected by now is beyond me. Maybe the judge has already left the event and/or cannot be contacted? Or is embarassed?

Could have been paid off for all we know. Look, if Decebal or Huki come in and decide to say that in this EXTREME instance to overturn it, i wouldn't have a problem. As long as it doesn't happen everytime someone doesn't like a decision... Imagine the contraversy of fights like Hop v Taylor

[IntentionalButt]

Could have been paid off for all we know. Look, if Decebal or Huki come in and decide to say that in this EXTREME instance to overturn it, i wouldn't have a problem. As long as it doesn't happen everytime someone doesn't like a decision... Imagine the contraversy of fights like Hop v Taylor

Completely different scenario, not even remotely comparable.

There are decisions that are close and controversial, and then there are those that are not. Even the HBO commentators surmised that it was a tabulation error.

[MSTR]

Completely different scenario, not even remotely comparable.

There are decisions that are close and controversial, and then there are those that are not. Even the HBO commentators surmised that it was a tabulation error.

Why did you edit your other posts, after i had already posted again:think

I was talking about setting a precedent, which isn't something I would like to see. IMO, boxing is risky to pick on for a number of reasons. Changing it to suit you when you feel like it takes the fun out of it. It could be a dominant performance where it has been scored closely, or any number of scenarios similar... And it ends up turning the picking comp into something that gets changed all the time.

In regards to integrity, i would just prefer to run things properly... Decebal asked for opinions and i gave mine. If you don't agree thats fine with me, not bothered in the slightest.

[Decebal]

Problem is not so much how to score Mijares fight but Pavlik fight. I had that a wide decision win for Taylor.:huh

What do you think?

[andyZOR]

Problem is not so much how to score Mijares fight but Pavlik fight. I had that a wide decision win for Taylor.:huh

What do you think?

I thought Taylor won too. And I piced him to win.


Don't change the rules now.


Now I have 2 losses on my record :(

[C Money]

Sorry folks NO ROBBERY:nono Pavlik won either 115-113 or 116-112:yep
Volume, agression, and consistency won out over Jermain's FLASHES.

I give credit to BOTH GUY's. I feel for Jermain because he fought MUCH BETTER and didnt allow himself to get cornered but there wasnt ENOUGH to win.

Pavlik went a hard 12 for the first time and its one to build on. He needs to step up the bodywork earlier, dont always rely on the head shots. I think Pavlik felt taylor would go early and focused on the head a bit too much. Had he banked some early bodywork? He likely stops Taylor late. Even Taylor credited the body shot in the 10th that hurt him and had him fading.

Hold you're head up Jermain Taylor, no shame in losing to Pavlik:nono
Taylor took a step in the right direction and seems at peace with his corner. The only thing still missing is CONSISTENCY.


Just posted this in another, no sense retyping:nono

[MSTR]

Problem is not so much how to score Mijares fight but Pavlik fight. I had that a wide decision win for Taylor.:huh

What do you think?

:deal Note to IB.... EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT

No, IMO, we run solely off the judges scorecards. Its the only FAIR way to do things. You start changing results and this will turn into a circus.

Be interested to see what others think. I strongly believe this will be an extremely bad precedent to set.

[brooklyn1550]

Problem is not so much how to score Mijares fight but Pavlik fight. I had that a wide decision win for Taylor.:huh

What do you think?

I had Pavlik winning 116-112

[Smith]

Run only off judges scorecards (except for the mijares one, that was an accident on the judges part and should be a wide UD, if it is not, im nae carrying on with this prediction league and dropping out haha)

[Decebal]

:deal Note to IB.... EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT

No, IMO, we run solely off the judges scorecards. Its the only FAIR way to do things. You start changing results and this will turn into a circus.

Be interested to see what others think. I strongly believe this will be an extremely bad precedent to set.

Yeah, if I start making up results as I see fit or if we start having votes on what the correct result should have been, it WILL be a circus and people will stop taking part. I guess we just have to accept that there will be robberies and controversial decisions, including early stoppages and points taken off, etc. and live with that. However, when there is a strong feeling of opinion that a result was controversial, I think it's fair not to allocate twice the points for it, or apply the "clean sweep", because that might be doubly unfair to those who picked the fighter who was robbed. What do you think?

[Decebal]

I had Pavlik winning 116-112

:shock: :shock: :shock:

:D

What were the official scorecard scores?

[brooklyn1550]

:shock: :shock: :shock:

:D

What were the official scorecard scores?

117-111
116-112
115-113

Pavlik

[Kolya]

:shock: :shock: :shock:

:D

What were the official scorecard scores?

117-111, 116-112, 115-113.

[C Money]

Yeah, if I start making up results as I see fit or if we start having votes on what the correct result should have been, it WILL be a circus and people will stop taking part. I guess we just have to accept that there will be robberies and controversial decisions, including early stoppages and points taken off, etc. and live with that. However, when there is a strong feeling of opinion that a result was controversial, I think it's fair not to allocate twice the points for it, or apply the "clean sweep", because that might be doubly unfair to those who picked the fighter who was robbed. What do you think?

I think it should run off the cards PERIOD!! I know thats fucked in this case of Mijares, but it is the record. Its a mess of battling opinions otherwise for points deducted etc. Not interested in fighting JUDGES and POSTERS for the points on a fight:nono

BTW? That scorecard had to be a mistake or someone's judging privledge's should be permanently REVOKED.

[Decebal]

Thank you...that is a "wide UD" then.

Fortunately, according to huki's system of scoring, which we voted as the best and which is applied here, the difference between a close and a wide decision is only 5 points...so we might as well always always go by the scorecards, even in the Mijares case, unless the result is contested officially. What do you say?

[Smith]

It has to be wide.

[C Money]

Thank you...that is a "wide UD" then.

Fortunately, according to huki's system of scoring, which we voted as the best and which is applied here, the difference between a close and a wide decision is only 5 points...so we might as well always always go by the scorecards, even in the Mijares case, unless the result is contested officially. What do you say?


Jeez i misread that. go by the cards,

[Decebal]

Jeez i misread that. go by the cards,

Changing what?

I was saying we should always go by the scorecards, unless the result is officially contested by the fighter. One of the jugdes calles Mijares fight 115-113 which is "close UD"....this makes me feel better about calling the whole fight "close UD"...what do you say?

[Decebal]

How about allocating twice the points for the Pavlik fight (it was considered a "blue-ribbon event"? Shall we still do it?

How about the clean sweep, in this case? Shall we still apply it even though the Pavlik win was controversial?

[C Money]

Changing what?

I was saying we should always go by the scorecards, unless the result is officially contested by the fighter. One of the jugdes calles Mijares fight 115-113 which is "close UD"....this makes me feel better about calling the whole fight "close UD"...what do you say?

I misread when i edited, sorry disregard the change comment.
I thought a SD was a close UD, so thats what I'd call it.

[Decebal]

I misread when i edited, sorry disregard the change comment.
I thought a SD was a close UD, so thats what I'd call it.

:good

[PATSYS]

Pavlik T/KO 5
Valuev UD Close
Mijares UD Wide
Montiel UD Close

I am right on picking the winner on all, just not on the manner of how they win.

[MSTR]

You see all the discrepancy already... You have to just run with the official scores, otherwise the whole thing is a farce.

[Decebal]

You see all the discrepancy already... You have to just run with the official scores, otherwise the whole thing is a farce.

Yes.

We'll always go by the official judge's decision, fair or not, robbery or not. We'll take the good with the bad. :good

[Decebal]

Results:

Pavlik wide UD; Valuev wide UD; Mijares close UD, Montiel KO4.

Pavlik v. Taylor was considered a "blue-ribbon event" and counted for twice the points, as has been known from the very beginning.

This week, because I didn't want to penalise anyone for picking one way of scoring over another, a system of scoring not having been finalised, I accepted 116-112 as qualifying as close UD in the case of Mijares. Also, because when posters picked winners, they didn't think the clean sweep would be in place, I didn't include the clean sweep. I will start a vote to decide how many points the clean sweep should add to the total and whether we should indeed have one; it seems some posters are strongly against it and some strongly in favour. A vote should sort it out once and for all.

Would you please check that I haven't left you out or got your score wrong? If I have, please resond in this thread!:good

northend: 15x2 + 15 + 30 + 15 = 90
brooklyn1550: 15x2 + 30 + 15 + 15 = 90
Smith: 0x2 + 0 + 25 + 30 = 55
C Money: 15x2 + 0 + 25 + 30 = 85
Kegsy: 15x2 + 15 + 25 + 15 = 85
TFFP: 15x2 + 30 + 25 + 15 = 100
Amsterdam: 15x2 + 25 + 15 + 30 = 100
randeris: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
theunderdog: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
J-M-P: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
o_money: 0x2 + 0 + 25 + 15 = 40
KO Boxing: 0x2 + 30 + 25 + 15 = 70
huki: 15x2 + 30 + 15 + 0 = 75
KobeIsGod: 30x2 + 15 + 15 + 15 = 105
Violent retard: 15x2 + 15 + 25 + 15 = 85
Faetter_BR: 0x2 + 25 + 25 + 0 = 50
Arriba: 15x2 + 25 + 15 + 15 = 85
kg0208: 15x2 + 15 + 25 + 0 = 75
Govanmauler: 0x2 + 0 + 25 + 15 = 40
jeff thomas: 0x2 + 30 + 30 + 15 = 75
Tom_Tocca: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 0 = 80
McGrain: 0x2 + 0 + 25 + 15 = 40
Maxime: 0x2 + 30 + 0 + 30 = 60
pioterbezkitu: 15x2 + 0 + 25 + 30 = 85
MSTR: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 30 = 110
Sweet Pea: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
unitas: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
Arc_Arsenal: 15x2 + 30 + 30 + 15 = 105
BewareofDawg: 15x2 + 0 + 25 + 35 = 90
Dorfmeister: 0x2 + 0 + 15 + 15 = 30
RealIzm: 15x2 + 25 + 15 + 15 = 85
dangerousity: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
King Dan: 15x2 + 0 + 30 + 15 = 75
mney mayweather: 0x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 65
Pimp C: 25x2 + 0 + 25 + 0 = 75
Jack Presscot: 0x2 + 0 + 30 + 40 = 70
teke: 0x2 + 15 + 30 + 15 = 60
Calabrese: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
sues2nd: 0x2 + 0 + 25 + 0 = 25
Kolya: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
Daddy: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
lake32: 0x2 + 0 + 25 + 15 = 40
PATSYS: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
andyzOr: 0x2 + 0 + 15 + 30 = 45
nickthegreek: 0x2 + 0 + 15 + 40 = 55
Decebal: 15x2 + 15 + 15 + 30 = 90
joekirkbycobra: 0x2 + 15 + 25 + 15 = 55
Marcus: 15x2 + 0 + 0 + 15 = 45
Florida boy: 0x2 + 25 + 25 + 0 = 50
Shake: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
fluxtuff: 0x2 + 25 + 25 = 50
Asterion: 15x2 + 30 + 30 + 30 = 120
Lance_Uppercut: 15x2 + 0 + 15 + 0 = 45
Blocky: 0x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 65
Caliboxing: 15x2 + 0 + 25 + 15 = 70
Punisher33: 15x2 + 15 + 25 + 0 = 70
RUSKULL: 15x2 + 15 + 25 + 0 = 70
cuchulain: 0x2 + 25 + 15 + 15 = 55
cardstars: 15x2 + 15 + 25 + 15 = 85
acb: 15x2 + 0 + 25 + 0 = 55
dan-b: 25x2 + 0 + 0 + 15 = 65
Cooke: 15x2 + 0 + 25 + 0 = 55
PacDbest: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 30 = 110
psychopath: 0x2 + 15 + 15 + 15 = 45
Wige247: 0x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 65
Darien: 0x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 65
Zakman: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 30 = 110
Rock0052: 15x2 + 15 + 15 + 0 = 60
Lampley: 15x2 + 15 + 30 + 15 = 90
IntentionalButt: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 30 = 110
Kid Gorgeous: 15x2 + 15 + 30 + 30 = 105
dragosuhail: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
sjc: 15x2 + 25 + 15 + 15 = 85
196osh: 15x2 + 25 + 25 + 15 = 95
Astola: 0x2 + 15 + 25 + 30 = 70

[Decebal]

Please vote in the poll above to decide whether we should have a "clean sweep" system in place from now on.:good

[Decebal]

UNCHECKED RANKINGS
Asterion: 120
IntentionalButt: 110
MSTR: 110
PacDbest: 110
Zakman: 110
Arc_Arsenal: 105
Kid Gorgeous: 105
KobeIsGod: 105
Amsterdam: 100
TFFP: 100
196osh: 95
Calabrese: 95
Daddy: 95
dangerousity: 95
dragosuhail: 95
J-M-P: 95
Kolya: 95
PATSYS: 95
randeris: 95
Shake: 95
Sweet Pea: 95
theunderdog: 95
unitas: 95
BewareofDawg: 90
brooklyn1550: 90
Decebal: 90
Lampley: 90
northend: 90
Arriba: 85
cardstars: 85
C Money: 85
Kegsy: 85
pioterbezkitu: 85
RealIzm: 85
sjc: 85
Violent retard: 85
Tom_Tocca: 80
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huki: 75
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jeff thomas: 75
kg0208: 75
King Dan: 75
Pimp C: 75
Astola: 70
Caliboxing: 70
Jack Presscot: 70
KO Boxing: 70
Punisher33: 70
RUSKULL: 70
Blocky: 65
dan-b: 65
Darien: 65
mney mayweather: 65
Wige247: 65
Maxime: 60
Rock0052: 60
teke: 60
acb: 55
Cooke: 55
cuchulain: 55
joekirkbycobra: 55
nickthegreek: 55
Smith: 55
Faetter_BR: 50
Florida boy: 50
fluxtuff: 50
andyzOr: 45
Lance_Uppercut: 45
Marcus: 45
psychopath: 45
Govanmauler: 40
lake32: 40
McGrain: 40
o_money: 40
Dorfmeister: 30
sues2nd: 25

[Decebal]

Anyone who wants to join next week will start on 75 points.:good

[Decebal]

Please vote in the poll.:good

[Decebal]

"rock The Vote!":d

[Decebal]

So...to sweep clean or not to clean sweep?:!:

[Smith]

Anyone who wants to join next week will start on 75 points.:goodWhy? Thats stupid.

Why should someone be ahead of me just for starting next week?

[Kolya]

Why? Thats stupid.

Why should someone be ahead of me just for starting next week?

Well maybe you should pick fights better if you only have 75 points. :D

[Smith]

Well maybe you should pick fights better if you only have 75 points. :D:lol: Fek off.

I actually only have 55. I predicted The montiel TKO & Mijares UD, but stuck my neck out on the line with white wolf UD and Taylor TKO.:roll:

[Decebal]

Why? Thats stupid.

Why should someone be ahead of me just for starting next week?

I think we should allow anyone who wants to join but couldn't join when this league started a fair crack at getting to the top. Assuming that any newcomer is on average average;) , they should be classed in the middle of the field, from where they can climb or fall. If they started on 0 points after a couple of months, it would take them years to reach the top, no matter how good they were - the difference would be too big.

A things stand, within a couple of weeks of starting, newcomer will "find their level" in the league anyway...this league doesn't need to end at the end of the year...it can go on and on and on...so it won't matter if for two three weeks a newcomer is ahead of you. You are competing with the rest of the field more than with the odd newcomer who comes along.

[Smith]

It should not be 75 though. It should be 50

If it is 75, then I would like to drop out now. And rejoin tomorow so I can gte my 75. Thank you.

[Decebal]

It should not be 75 though. It should be 50

If it is 75, then I would like to drop out now. And rejoin tomorow so I can gte my 75. Thank you.

:lol:

Trust me...the difference between your score and Asterion's score is pretty small, if you look at the number of extra points per fight...it's no big deal. Anyone can be top within a couple of weeks with up to 100 points on offer for the "blue-ribbon" fights and 50 - for regular big fights...

[Smith]

:lol:

Trust me...the difference between your score and Asterion's score is pretty small, if you look at the number of extra points per fight...it's no big deal. Anyone can be top within a couple of weeks with up to 50 points on offer per fight.:nono I am not amused. I am not happy. First of all Taylor gets mugged, then White wolf decides he does not know how to box, and now I am being made a scapegoat in this prediction thread. I shall seek advice on the matter.



























:yep

[Decebal]

:nono I am not amused. I am not happy. First of all Taylor gets mugged, then White wolf decides he does not know how to box, and now I am being made a scapegoat in this prediction thread. I shall seek advice on the matter.


:yep

Don't worry. Calzaghe will get robbed too and you will make up the difference over the entire field then!:good

[Smith]

Don't worry. Calzaghe will get robbed too and you will make up the difference over the entire field then!:goodIf you are trying to imply I am backing B-Hop over Joe, you are mistaken. Thats it, ive had enough, i'm calling in the lawyers.

[Decebal]

If you are trying to imply I am backing B-Hop over Joe, you are mistaken. Thats it, ive had enough, i'm calling in the lawyers.

You COULD join the league under an alias, but only if Smith leaves the race. You would then start on 75. But we both know that within a week or two...:lol:

:good :good :good

[Smith]

You COULD join the league under an alias, but only if Smith leaves the race. You would then start on 75. But we both know that within a week or two...:lol:

:good :good :good:lol::good

I'll be up there at the end. Bad weekend at the races won't get me down.

[Decebal]

:lol::good

I'll be up there at the end. Bad weekend at the races won't get me down.

That's the spirit, Smith, mate!:happy :happy :happy

Oh...btw...don't think there should be an "end" as such because if you draw a line and people know when that will be, they start becoming too risk-tolerant towards the end in the hope of making it to the top if they are in the top 5-10. They'd rather take the risk of crashing out if it means there's a chance they can come first. Bad for the league, in the end.

[Kolya]

What're the next fights?

[Decebal]

What're the next fights?

There's only one big fight this week, as far as I can make out:

Wladimir Klitschko v. Sultan Ibragimov.

I will start a thread tomorrow but wanted more posters to vote in this poll first...not sure whether we do want a clean sweep or not - there are a few people who feel strongly one way or another and I wanted us to sort this out...:think

[Kolya]

There's only one big fight this week, as far as I can make out:

Wladimir Klitschko v. Sultan Ibragimov.

I will start a thread tomorrow but wanted more posters to vote in this poll first...not sure whether we do want a clean sweep or not - there are a few people who feel strongly one way or another and I wanted us to sort this out...:think

Can you explain a clean sweep and what it is to me? I don't quite understand.

[Decebal]

Can you explain a clean sweep and what it is to me? I don't quite understand.

Yeah, sorry...thought everyone knew.

A "clean sweep" is bonus points offering for picking all the correct winners one week.

Amsterdam used to run 5 fights every week in his prediction league last year. If you called the winner right in all 5, whether you called the decision/stoppage correctly or not, you would get an extra 20 points added to your week's score, for being consistent. It's probably inspired by the five-fold multiple bet option odds in betting. Am I being clear?

[Kolya]

Ah, I got you. Hm, I have no opinion on it right now. I can see the pros and cons, I think I'm leaning against it though.

[Decebal]

A "clean sweep" is bonus points offering for picking all the correct winners one week.

Amsterdam used to run 5 fights every week in his prediction league last year. If you called the winner right in all 5, whether you called the decision/stoppage correctly or not, you would get an extra 20 points added to your week's score, for being consistent. It's probably inspired by the five-fold multiple bet option odds in betting. Am I being clear?

So...shall we have a "clean sweep" system or not? Please vote!:deal

[IntentionalButt]

I'd forgotten that one judge had it 115-113 for Mijares (too close IMO, but oh well, not inconceivable, Navarro did enough that I can sort of see why a biased or incompetent judge would have it that close..). So moot point, I guess. If the two judges for Mijares had been wide though, that should have been counted for our purposes as a wide UD, I don't care what MSTR, Decebal, huki, or Bazooka Joe think about the matter. There wasn't a single clear Navarro round, and there were at least eight very, very clear Mijares rounds. Boxrec still has it listed as an SD with Doug Tucker's score unchanged from the original 108-120; that is insane. I'm still waiting for this to be corrected. That score is literally impossible to have been intended for Navarro, even with an incompetent or corrupt judge.

Taylor-Pavlik is a bad analogy, that was a close fight with just as many people saying Pavlik won clear as saying that Taylor was robbed. You can't compare that to Mijares-Navarro and say "Whoops, it's all subjective; where do you draw the line? Guess we can't set a precedent...". Not even remotely comparable. You can most certainly draw the line between a close, controversial fight and a clear-as-moonshine extremely lopsided victory with an accidental mis-scoring that made even the HBO commentators surmise that it had to have been a boo-boo.

Like I said, it's a moot point as one judge had it 115-113. It was not a wide UD after all. Had that score been a few points wider, however, this issue would not be put to rest! :fire

[Decebal]

I'd forgotten that one judge had it 115-113 for Mijares (too close IMO, but oh well, not inconceivable, Navarro did enough that I can sort of see why a biased or incompetent judge would have it that close..). So moot point, I guess. If the two judges for Mijares had been wide though, that should have been counted for our purposes as a wide UD, I don't care what MSTR, Decebal, huki, or Bazooka Joe think about the matter. There wasn't a single clear Navarro round, and there were at least eight very, very clear Mijares rounds. Boxrec still has it listed as an SD with Doug Tucker's score unchanged from the original 108-120; that is insane. I'm still waiting for this to be corrected. That score is literally impossible to have been intended for Navarro, even with an incompetent or corrupt judge.

Taylor-Pavlik is a bad analogy, that was a close fight with just as many people saying Pavlik won clear as saying that Taylor was robbed. You can't compare that to Mijares-Navarro and say "Whoops, it's all subjective; where do you draw the line? Guess we can't set a precedent...". Not even remotely comparable. You can most certainly draw the line between a close, controversial fight and a clear-as-moonshine extremely lopsided victory with an accidental mis-scoring that made even the HBO commentators surmise that it had to have been a boo-boo.

Like I said, it's a moot point as one judge had it 115-113. It was not a wide UD after all. Had that score been a few points wider, however, this issue would not be put to rest! :fire

It's 5 points' difference - no big deal and saves us a lot of arguing. If they overturn the decision, I will change the scores. In the meantime, only way to work this league is to go by the scores, whether fair or not...Why are you so angry? And why have you not voted in the poll yet?:fire

[psychopath]

Yes . . . clean sweep for 30 points. :yep

Picking the right winner is the most important . . . how it would exactly happen should be given less points . . . we are not psychics anyway.

[Rise Above]

Will this weeks fights be in a new thread or in this one ?

[McGrain]

Yes.

We'll always go by the official judge's decision, fair or not, robbery or not. We'll take the good with the bad. :good

I totally agree with this - after all if some poor bastard has to put up with a career wrecking decision, why should some dipshit in a prediction league be allowed to complain?

But you might consider - long term - a sort of judicial review panel for fights which have the appearance of robbery. I'm not talking about close fights with loads of close rounds that could have gone either way, I'm talking about the kind of decisions that have the appearance of a fix.

It could be fun as well as a splendid aside to the predictions league. Once you got the thing up and running to the tune of 100%.

[Decebal]

Will this weeks fights be in a new thread or in this one ?

New thread I'm starting tonight...want a few more votes in the poll.

Only one fight: Wlad v. Sultan.:good

[Decebal]

I totally agree with this - after all if some poor bastard has to put up with a career wrecking decision, why should some dipshit in a prediction league be allowed to complain?

But you might consider - long term - a sort of judicial review panel for fights which have the appearance of robbery. I'm not talking about close fights with loads of close rounds that could have gone either way, I'm talking about the kind of decisions that have the appearance of a fix.

It could be fun as well as a splendid aside to the predictions league. Once you got the thing up and running to the tune of 100%.

:good

Will do...we'll go by the posters who end up always being praised for their analytical skills and objectivity most...brooklyn1550, kg0208 and sean - if the latter wants it...I don't know...if not, we'll pick another such poster...I'll look into it. What do you think?

[Rise Above]

New thread I'm starting tonight...want a few more votes in the poll.

Only one fight: Wlad v. Sultan.:good

Will these weekly threads be on Mondays only ?

[McGrain]

:good

Will do...we'll go by the posters who end up always being praised for their analytical skills and objectivity most...brooklyn1550, kg0208 and sean - if the latter wants it...I don't know...if not, we'll pick another such poster...I'll look into it. What do you think?

I would argue - let this year run it's course. Next year approach the top 3 placed posters with a view to starting a judicial review. That is to say, these three would have to re-watch the fight in question and decide if an actual robbery had taken place.

Tougher -

1 - How can we be sure that these three will remain impartial when their own scores could be riding on the review?

2 - How do we decide if a robbery has taken place (popular vote springs to mind but you know how that can go...)?

3 - And how will the rank and file react to having points stripped from them by the three guys most likely to finish in front of them?

[Decebal]

Will these weekly threads be on Mondays only ?

Why? Is that a problem? Would you rather I put the new thread up on Sunday? I cannot promise they'll be up by Monday every time, though this is what I'm aiming for, but they should always be up by Tuesday, to give everyone a chance and plenty of time...:think

[Decebal]

I would argue - let this year run it's course. Next year approach the top 3 placed posters with a view to starting a judicial review. That is to say, these three would have to re-watch the fight in question and decide if an actual robbery had taken place.

Tougher -

1 - How can we be sure that these three will remain impartial when their own scores could be riding on the review?

2 - How do we decide if a robbery has taken place (popular vote springs to mind but you know how that can go...)?

3 - And how will the rank and file react to having points stripped from them by the three guys most likely to finish in front of them?

I don't think the best analysts are necessarily the most objective. On the other hand, I think I'm objctive but the best analysts rarely agree with my scores for fights...so we need a mixture of both. No?

[Rise Above]

Why? Is that a problem? Would you rather I put the new thread up on Sunday? I cannot promise they'll be up by Monday every time, though this is what I'm aiming for, but they should always be up by Tuesday, to give everyone a chance and plenty of time...:think

No problem just wanted to know when I should have my picks in.

[Decebal]

No problem just wanted to know when I should have my picks in.

:good

I'll start the thread now; might as well!

[McGrain]

I don't think the best analysts are necessarily the most objective. On the other hand, I think I'm objctive but the best analysts rarely agree with my scores for fights...so we need a mixture of both. No?

Sure. Winners just seemed the easiest way to do things - but i'm quite happy to see judicial review members voted in, that would be fine too. Whatever is best is better than what is easiest, of course. It also means the guys who would get in would tend to want the job, crucially.

Be a serious responsibility though. It's basically changing history for ESB members, at least as far as the league goes.

[Decebal]

Sure. Winners just seemed the easiest way to do things - but i'm quite happy to see judicial review members voted in, that would be fine too. Whatever is best is better than what is easiest, of course. It also means the guys who would get in would tend to want the job, crucially.

Be a serious responsibility though. It's basically changing history for ESB members, at least as far as the league goes.

:good

[Decebal]

THIS WEEKS' LEAGUE THREAD: Klitschko v. Ibragimov:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Please vote in the poll above!:good

[Smith]

I totally disagree that you may make the 'top three posters' re-assess a fight. They may be good at writing down there thoughts in a post, does not mean they can interpret a fight better than me/us or are better judges.

[Decebal]

I totally disagree that you may make the 'top three posters' re-assess a fight. They may be good at writing down there thoughts in a post, does not mean they can interpret a fight better than me/us or are better judges.

I'll start a thread and we'll vote...as usual!:good

[McGrain]

I'll start a thread and we'll vote...as usual!:good

Bloody democracy...

Smith, why'd you change your name? It threw me.

[Decebal]

Thread to select review panelists for contested official results (robberies, etc.)

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

:good

[Smith]

I'll start a thread and we'll vote...as usual!:goodIt still does not change the fact that the posters will vote for the people they feel are the 'best'. Like I said, its all very well being efficient at writing your thoughts down on a post, but it does not mean they have a better eye for scoring a fight.

[Smith]

Bloody democracy...

Smith, why'd you change your name? It threw me.:lol:

Believe it or not, I have a stalker. Not sure what difference it will make as she knows im here now, but she probably doesn't know I use this username now.

[Decebal]

Please vote in the poll above!:good

A "clean sweep" is bonus points offering for picking all the correct winners one week.

Amsterdam used to run 5 fights every week in his prediction league last year. If you called the winner right in all 5, whether you called the decision/stoppage correctly or not, you would get an extra 20 points added to your week's score, for being consistent. It's probably inspired by the five-fold multiple bet option odds in betting.

[MSTR]

I'd forgotten that one judge had it 115-113 for Mijares (too close IMO, but oh well, not inconceivable, Navarro did enough that I can sort of see why a biased or incompetent judge would have it that close..). So moot point, I guess. If the two judges for Mijares had been wide though, that should have been counted for our purposes as a wide UD, I don't care what MSTR, Decebal, huki, or Bazooka Joe think about the matter. There wasn't a single clear Navarro round, and there were at least eight very, very clear Mijares rounds. Boxrec still has it listed as an SD with Doug Tucker's score unchanged from the original 108-120; that is insane. I'm still waiting for this to be corrected. That score is literally impossible to have been intended for Navarro, even with an incompetent or corrupt judge.

Taylor-Pavlik is a bad analogy, that was a close fight with just as many people saying Pavlik won clear as saying that Taylor was robbed. You can't compare that to Mijares-Navarro and say "Whoops, it's all subjective; where do you draw the line? Guess we can't set a precedent...". Not even remotely comparable. You can most certainly draw the line between a close, controversial fight and a clear-as-moonshine extremely lopsided victory with an accidental mis-scoring that made even the HBO commentators surmise that it had to have been a boo-boo.

Like I said, it's a moot point as one judge had it 115-113. It was not a wide UD after all. Had that score been a few points wider, however, this issue would not be put to rest! :fire

LMAO.... You really take yourself seriously hey???

[IntentionalButt]

LMAO.... You really take yourself seriously hey???

I take myself in whatever mood I so deign, often without lubrication. :(

[andyZOR]

Hey Decebal.... I picked some fights for March.


Vazquez v Marquez March 1

Mac v Haye March 8

Rudolf Kraj vs Matt Godfrey March 8

Pongsaklek Wongjongkam v Daisuke Naito March 8

Sam Peter v Oleg Maskaev March 8

Juan Diaz v Nate Campbell March 8

Timothy Bradley vs Jose Luis Castillo March 8

John Ruiz vs Jameel McCline March 8

Manny Pacquiao v JMM March 15

David Diaz vs Ramon Montano March 15

Carl Froch vs Dennis Inkin March 15

Rob Calloway vs Juan Carlos Robles March 15

Andy Lee vs Brian Vera March 21

Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis March 22

Junior Witter vs ? March 22

Cory Spinks vs Verno Phillips March 27

Arthur Abraham vs Elvin Ayala March 29

Adrian Diaconu vs Chris Henry March 29

Those are the main fights I saw so i piced them.

Tell me what you thin and whitch ones you gonna add. ;)

[andyZOR]

All these fights include top fighters. All highly rated.

[Decebal]

Hey Decebal.... I picked some fights for March.


Vazquez v Marquez March 1

Mac v Haye March 8

Rudolf Kraj vs Matt Godfrey March 8

Pongsaklek Wongjongkam v Daisuke Naito March 8

Sam Peter v Oleg Maskaev March 8

Juan Diaz v Nate Campbell March 8

Timothy Bradley vs Jose Luis Castillo March 8

John Ruiz vs Jameel McCline March 8

Manny Pacquiao v JMM March 15

David Diaz vs Ramon Montano March 15

Carl Froch vs Dennis Inkin March 15

Rob Calloway vs Juan Carlos Robles March 15

Andy Lee vs Brian Vera March 21

Joel Casamayor vs Michael Katsidis March 22

Junior Witter vs ? March 22

Cory Spinks vs Verno Phillips March 27

Arthur Abraham vs Elvin Ayala March 29

Adrian Diaconu vs Chris Henry March 29

Those are the main fights I saw so i piced them.

Tell me what you thin and whitch ones you gonna add. ;)

We'll definitely do the ones in red.:good

[andyZOR]

We'll definitely do the ones in red.:good

iight. :D