Bigger threat to Fraud? Shane or DLH???

[Ramshall1]

Say in 2007 or even today who is a bigger threat to Fraud?

[BigReg]

Creating another thread instead of addressing my points, fair enough. Most people will pick Shane simply due to the fact that they've seen Floyd beat DLH and haven't seen Floyd and Shane in the ring together.

[mike464]

Last 5 fights:
Shane: 4-1
Oscar: 1-4

[brooklyn1550]

I'd favor Floyd over both of them very comfortably, but I think De La Hoya presents more of a problem because of his height, range, and jab.

[brooklyn1550]

double post

[Jase2483]

Shane, but by a small margin - neither DLH or Shane at this point in their career pose a Big threat in my eyes. I'd say its Shane by a 5% margin.

[Jase2483]

I also think stylistically that Shane is better for floyd, its just I still think he may have the power and technique necessary to land a MONSTER shot on floyd, and who knows what happens then.

[BigReg]

I also think stylistically that Shane is better for floyd, its just I still think he may have the power and technique necessary to land a MONSTER shot on floyd, and who knows what happens then.

Who was the last WW that Shane stopped? And who do you think hits harder, Shane or Oscar?

[SteveO]

Shane based on style.

But I don't give him the advantage over Floyd.

[Jase2483]

Who was the last WW that Shane stopped? And who do you think hits harder, Shane or Oscar?

Its been a while for shane - antonio diaz or maybe adrian stone? I could be wrong - he stopped vargas at like 150+ i know, but obviously thats not WW


Right now I definitely think shane hits considerably harder than DLH

[Symphenyceo]

DLH hands down...Shane gets boxed silly due to lack of defense and ring IQ..and shane has no jab and his footwork aint there no more(he couldnt cut off the ring aganist cotto)..he's a one handed fighter at this point with no jab at all...you need a jab to be competitve with pbf

[Ramshall1]

Does SHane get tired? does SHane ever quit? Is SHane reduced to a part time boxer?

[Symphenyceo]

BTW ramshall i like how you ran out the other thread and didnt defend you point

[Ramshall1]

DLH hands down...Shane gets boxed silly due to lack of defense and ring IQ..and shane has no jab and his footwork aint there no more(he couldnt cut off the ring aganist cotto)..he's a one handed fighter at this point with no jab at all...you need a jab to be competitve with pbf

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Man youre ignorant.

[Symphenyceo]

Does SHane get tired? does SHane ever quit? Is SHane reduced to a part time boxer?

he wasnt tired against cotto?...around rd 4 and 5 he was holding and breathing heavy all the while getting tagged

[Symphenyceo]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Man youre ignorant.

nice way to defend yourself...


explain why shane is a bigger threat?

[Relentless]

shane beat de la hoya.

[Symphenyceo]

I'd favor Floyd over both of them very comfortably, but I think De La Hoya presents more of a problem because of his height, range, and jab.

all the guys voting shane are missing this...in order to be competitive with pbf you have to be sound defensivly,have a good jab and good ring IQ....



if you're picking shane explain why

[sandwedge]

Shane deserves a chance. oscar already got his shot. What has oscar done, at least shane is keeping active. Floyd should be fighting a legit welter and shane is one.

[BigReg]

shane beat de la hoya.

That proves nothing. Number 1 both of those fights were close. Number 2, styles make fights. De La Hoya is a bigger stylistic matchup problem for Floyd than is Shane.

[Keihule]

Shane hits pretty hard, and he can still move. The fact that he could go 12 rounds with that Bull people like to call Miguel Cotto shows that he is still dangerous even at his older age.

[cardstars]

Fishnet imo. Smarter fighter that can put together a great gameplan and has height, reach, and power

[Symphenyceo]

Fishnet imo. Smarter fighter that can put together a great gameplan and has height, reach, and power

thank you at least you expalin your pick

anyone picking shane is crazy..what does he bring..he has no jab and no defense...and his speed isnt there anymore

[pngo]

Shane ain't a partime boxer like Oscar, I think Oscar's defense is better but Shane's offense is better and he is faster then Oscar. Shane also keeps himself in shape, not the same thing can be said about Oscar.

[jimmy1991]

shane beat de la hoya.
:huh

[wayne3280]

thank you at least you expalin your pick

anyone picking shane is crazy..what does he bring..he has no jab and no defense...and his speed isnt there anymore

As someone has pointed out, going 12 rounds with Cotto means it is almost certainly going to go 12 against PBF. And although having lost some speed, Shane is still a lot faster than DLH and as such is more likely to land that big shot.

The other reason I'd go with Shane is from a mental standpoint, Shane is the unknown. PBF has beaten DLH and that's only going to give the guy more confidence (if that's possible).

[Ramshall1]

nice way to defend yourself...


explain why shane is a bigger threat?


I already have . . . you simply cant see anything for the Fraud balls covering your eye sockets.

[Ramshall1]

Shane ain't a partime boxer like Oscar, I think Oscar's defense is better but Shane's offense is better and he is faster then Oscar. Shane also keeps himself in shape, not the same thing can be said about Oscar.

Plus Shane has better cardio, better pressure and does not quit.

[Ramshall1]

he wasnt tired against cotto?...around rd 4 and 5 he was holding and breathing heavy all the while getting tagged

who was chasing and pressuring who in the last rounds?

[lenin]

I also think stylistically that Shane is better for floyd, its just I still think he may have the power and technique necessary to land a MONSTER shot on floyd, and who knows what happens then.
if he couldnt do it to cotto, he WONT do it to mayweather

[Jase2483]

if he couldnt do it to cotto, he WONT do it to mayweather

but still in theory would have a better shot than DLH

[standing 8]

I think that they're about even at this point, but I would rather have Mosley fight Floyd over De La Hoya.

[Symphenyceo]

As someone has pointed out, going 12 rounds with Cotto means it is almost certainly going to go 12 against PBF. And although having lost some speed, Shane is still a lot faster than DLH and as such is more likely to land that big shot.

The other reason I'd go with Shane is from a mental standpoint, Shane is the unknown. PBF has beaten DLH and that's only going to give the guy more confidence (if that's possible).


speed alone is not going to make you competitive with pbf...you need a jab good defense and ring smarts...shane doesnt have any of those..

[Symphenyceo]

I already have . . . you simply cant see anything for the Fraud balls covering your eye sockets.


no you havent

[Ramshall1]

speed alone is not going to make you competitive with pbf...you need a jab good defense and ring smarts...shane doesnt have any of those..

Is that why Shane out-jabbed a prime DLH? Is that why Shane outsmarted a prime DLH twice?

You Fraud Groupies are utterly pathetic.

[Symphenyceo]

Is that why Shane out-jabbed a prime DLH? Is that why Shane outsmarted a prime DLH twice?

You Fraud Groupies are utterly pathetic.


shane didnt out jab dlh in the first fight he out fought him..in the second fight shane got outboxed....outsmarted?

explain how shane outsmarted DLH?

[eze]

shane didnt out jab dlh in the first fight he out fought him..in the second fight shane got outboxed....outsmarted?

explain how shane outsmarted DLH?


Just ignore him. He thought Floyd ducked Zoo, yet he never realized they were signed to different networks.

[angelos]

Shane for some reason has a slim chance of winning against PBF thru boring,unimpressive split decision..

[Ramshall1]

shane didnt out jab dlh in the first fight he out fought him..in the second fight shane got outboxed....outsmarted?

explain how shane outsmarted DLH?

Shane threw the jab to "occupy" DLH. DLH tried to load up on his and missed. .. SHane outjabbed and outsmated him.

The judges and myself had Shane winning the rematch in a close one, the first fight wasnt that close.

[bestdefense117]

I don't think it really matters Floyd can beat both but Sugar Shane has the better chance.

[Symphenyceo]

Shane threw the jab to "occupy" DLH. DLH tried to load up on his and missed. .. SHane outjabbed and outsmated him.

The judges and myself had Shane winning the rematch in a close one, the first fight wasnt that close.


so this is how shane outsmarted him? wtf fight were you watching shane won that fight 7-5 but it wasnt because of the jab..and he didnt out jab him he out fought him..

thats not going to cut it explain what shane did to outsmart DLH?


And you also said the first fight wasnt close which is a lie both fights were close

[Ramshall1]

so this is how shane outsmarted him? wtf fight were you watching shane won that fight 7-5 but it wasnt because of the jab..and he didnt out jab him he out fought him..

thats not going to cut it explain what shane did to outsmart DLH?


And you also said the first fight wasnt close which is a lie both fights were close

Shane outjabbed him, outboxed him and outsmarted him. . . the second fight was very close, the first fight was not so close.

Shane was better in his prime and he's still better to this day.

Shane is not a part time boxer, Shane doesnt fade in later rounds - he was the one pressuring a prime Cotto in the late rounds. Shane doesnt quit and Shane doesnt seek out meaningless fights! :deal

[Symphenyceo]

Shane outjabbed him, outboxed him and outsmarted him. . . the second fight was very close, the first fight was not so close.

Shane was better in his prime and he's still better to this day.

Shane is not a part time boxer, Shane doesnt fade in later rounds - he was the one pressuring a prime Cotto in the late rounds. Shane doesnt quit and Shane doesnt seek out meaningless fights! :deal

you know what forget it..because your're not expalining how he outsmarted him you are just saying he out jabbed him so whatever:hi:

[brooklyn1550]

Shane doesn't tire in the later rounds like De La Hoya, but even if he was pressuring Floyd, for the most part, it would be very ineffective. When Shane was pressuring Cotto, Miguel adjusted, moved off of the backfoot, and found opportunities to counter and land the cleaner shots. Floyd is a much better counter puncher than Cotto and would implement similar tactics with better results.

Floyd wins a decision (117-111 or 116-112)

[Symphenyceo]

Shane doesn't tire in the later rounds like De La Hoya, but even if he was pressuring Floyd, for the most part, it would be very ineffective. When Shane was pressuring Cotto, Miguel adjusted, moved off of the backfoot, and found opportunities to counter and land the cleaner shots. Floyd is a much better counter puncher than Cotto and would implement similar tactics with better results.

Floyd wins a decision (117-111 or 116-112)


:good

[Asterion]

De la Hoya.

[ROC]

Shane ain't a partime boxer like Oscar, I think Oscar's defense is better but Shane's offense is better and he is faster then Oscar. Shane also keeps himself in shape, not the same thing can be said about Oscar.


Oscar was better in all aspects in their second meeting between them

[Mind Reader]

Oscar was better in all aspects in their second meeting between them

No, Shane landed the much harder shots, fewer but harder.:good

[cardstars]

Shane threw the jab to "occupy" DLH. DLH tried to load up on his and missed. .. SHane outjabbed and outsmated him.

What :huh ? I'm failing to make the connection here. How does this help him against Floyd? There is no chance that his jab alone is going to beat Floyd (let alone land with consistency since I think he would tire out from missing constantly). And to say that Shane would go in with a better gameplan and outsmart Floyd is a prayer....PBF adjusts like no one else out there and I doubt Shane would confuse him for the entire fight; he's not that mysterious of a fighter, you know what he's looking to do for the most part. DLH on the other hand will come FULLY prepared for the fight, gameplan and all and is even taking a tune-up fight this time around. DLH is also the bigger man with power, reach, height, ring smarts and generalship, and an iron chin.....the bigger threat imo

[Lance_Uppercut]

speed alone is not going to make you competitive with pbf...you need a jab good defense and ring smarts...shane doesnt have any of those..

Did Castillo have all those?

[C Money]

SSM.

But Cotto is FIRST in line, so I really dont want to either Shane or Fishnets against PBF.

[RafaelGonzal]

I'd favor Floyd over both of them very comfortably, but I think De La Hoya presents more of a problem because of his height, range, and jab.




It seems he presents more of a problem but in reality Hoya likes to be on the outside and he isnt fast enough to use the outside in his favor. this allows PBF to play D, potshot and comfortably pick his shots while outpointing DLH ALL day.

Mosely is faster and can fight better on the inside than DLH. Did you see how bad DLH was at infighting in the first fight with PBF.

[Symphenyceo]

Did Castillo have all those?

the defense part was somewhat lacking

[Ramshall1]

What :huh ? I'm failing to make the connection here. How does this help him against Floyd? There is no chance that his jab alone is going to beat Floyd (let alone land with consistency since I think he would tire out from missing constantly). And to say that Shane would go in with a better gameplan and outsmart Floyd is a prayer....PBF adjusts like no one else out there and I doubt Shane would confuse him for the entire fight; he's not that mysterious of a fighter, you know what he's looking to do for the most part. DLH on the other hand will come FULLY prepared for the fight, gameplan and all and is even taking a tune-up fight this time around. DLH is also the bigger man with power, reach, height, ring smarts and generalship, and an iron chin.....the bigger threat imo

I never said "it" did - this was a seperate debate that came up.

The main point is SHane is a bigger threat to Fraud, this seems pretty clear.

[eze]

I never said "it" did - this was a seperate debate that came up.

The main point is SHane is a bigger threat to Fraud, this seems pretty clear.

No it's not.

Shane is not more of a threat to Floyd then DLH is.

[Ramshall1]

35 - 13 :deal

[eze]

35 - 13 :deal

35 - 13 in a pure opinionated poll.

[Lance_Uppercut]

the defense part was somewhat lacking

He's not exactly a jabber either. So, as you said, those AREN'T just what it takes to beat Floyd.

Zab/DLH/Hatton/Castillo ALL had their most success against Floyd pressing the fight and being aggressive, right?

[eze]

He's not exactly a jabber either. So, as you said, those AREN'T just what it takes to beat Floyd.

Zab/DLH/Hatton/Castillo ALL had their most success against Floyd pressing the fight and being aggressive, right?



True, but Zab/DLH/Hatton all did it early and after Floyd adjusted, their pressure was no where near as effective.


In the first Castillo fight, Floyd was still learning. Although he won, Castillo was able to do it throughout the fight for the most part. Then Floyd make the correct adjustments in the 2nd fight and won easier.

[Lance_Uppercut]

True, but Zab/DLH/Hatton all did it early and after Floyd adjusted, their pressure was no where near as effective.


In the first Castillo fight, Floyd was still learning. Although he won, Castillo was able to do it throughout the fight for the most part. Then Floyd make the correct adjustments in the 2nd fight and won easier.

Not the point, but kinda true none the less.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Alright Eze...it's been bothering me for a while. The Av, who is the pretty lady?

[eze]

Alright Eze...it's been bothering me for a while. The Av, who is the pretty lady?


Haha NP quite a few people have asked.. Lemme get the link for you..


She is Tara from FTV (Also known as Isabella Sky) She's not the super hot type of model but she is just gorgeous to me. My type of girl, from skin color to lips and eyes ahhh...

Anyway here is the link of some of her sets.


[Only registered and activated users can see links]

:good

[cardstars]

Alright Eze...it's been bothering me for a while. The Av, who is the pretty lady?

:lol: I have been meaning to ask for a few weeks also

[eze]

:lol: I have been meaning to ask for a few weeks also


Check above. :good

[Symphenyceo]

He's not exactly a jabber either. So, as you said, those AREN'T just what it takes to beat Floyd.

Zab/DLH/Hatton/Castillo ALL had their most success against Floyd pressing the fight and being aggressive, right?

Hatton is taking off the list because he has no jab nor defense..you have to be able to box also..which judah,dlh and jlc can..judah wasnt aggressive either but he can box well...just like dlh and jlc....shane lacks in every department..shane isnt faster than pbf at this point so what else does he bring but speed which he doesnt have alot of at this point..no jab,no ring smarts and no defense from shane = Completley being outboxed and outclassed by PBF

[Lance_Uppercut]

Haha NP quite a few people have asked.. Lemme get the link for you..


She is Tara from FTV (Also known as Isabella Sky) She's not the super hot type of model but she is just gorgeous to me. My type of girl, from skin color to lips and eyes ahhh...

Anyway here is the link of some of her sets.


[Only registered and activated users can see links]

:good

Best post you've ever made.:D

[eze]

Best post you've ever made.:D

:lol:

[cpnasty]

Shane would give him way more problems. IMO Oscar should have lost to Floyd by a wide decision. Shane would come at Floyd fast and hard. It would be an interesting fight.

[eliqueiros]

De la hoya has a better overall skillset to beat PBF, probably better than anyone else at the moment. The problem is DLH does not go in with his A game anymore. The man is too rich and comfortable. DLH needs to rent a studio apartment somewhere in East Harlem and live hand to mouth while he trains and then I can see him scoring a victory but won't happen. Mosley at 147 would get taken apart like Zab Judah. The guy lost too much muscle going down in weight and he has little defence.

[eze]

Last 5 fights:
Shane: 4-1
Oscar: 1-4


Hmm lets compare opposition.

DLH

Mayweather
Mayorga
Hopkins
Sturm
Mosley


Mosley

Cotto
Collazo
Vargas
Vargas
Cruz

Mosleys opposition in his last 5 fights is way shittier than DLH last 5 fights.

Mosley would lose to Sturm, Hopkins, and Mayweather (he can't exactly fight himself but he argubly lost to DLH)

[eliqueiros]

Hmm lets compare opposition.

DLH

Mayweather
Mayorga
Hopkins
Sturm
Mosley


Mosley

Cotto
Collazo
Vargas
Vargas
Cruz

Mosleys opposition in his last 5 fights is way shittier than DLH last 5 fights.

Mosley would lose to Sturm, Hopkins, and Mayweather (he can't exactly fight himself but he argubly lost to DLH)

And it should really be Oscar 2 wins three losses since he technically beat Sturm. As much as Oscar sucked that night so did Sturm. Sturm lost the fight cause he had an efficient jab but would not follow it up with anything, no right crosses, no combinations, nothing. DLH, as is often the case (as in everyone saying Morales should have won against Diaz) is not given credit for body punching. That night Oscar landed many combinations to Sturms body. But if a punch isn't landed on the face sometimes people ignore them.

[stuistylee]

the sugared 1...

[eze]

And it should really be Oscar 2 wins three losses since he technically beat Sturm. As much as Oscar sucked that night so did Sturm. Sturm lost the fight cause he had an efficient jab but would not follow it up with anything, no right crosses, no combinations, nothing. DLH, as is often the case (as in everyone saying Morales should have won against Diaz) is not given credit for body punching. That night Oscar landed many combinations to Sturms body. But if a punch isn't landed on the face sometimes people ignore them.


True. DLH was 2-3. But still Mosley would of most likely lost to DLH competition and DLH would of most likely won.

[Dorfmeister]

Jim Lampley said recently that Shane was the best lightweight the world has seen since Roberto Duran and Max Kellerman added that Shane and one of his favourite fighters, Pernell Whitaker, were the best since Duran, no mentions made to Oscar and Floyd. Obviously, they are no longer lightweights and Shane is older than Mayweather and even Oscar, but what the HBO commentators stated should tell something about Shane's chances against Mayweather.

[Zhaakal]

Say in 2007 or even today who is a bigger threat to Fraud?:patsch :-(

[IsaL]

Shane based on style.

But I don't give him the advantage over Floyd.

What Style is that?

[eze]

What Style is that?

Jab overhand right.

[IsaL]

Shane deserves a chance. oscar already got his shot. What has oscar done, at least shane is keeping active. Floyd should be fighting a legit welter and shane is one.
:patsch :patsch :patsch

[derrick rose]

Say in 2007 or even today who is a bigger threat to Fraud?

fraud? u mean floyd joy mayweather 39-0 pound for pound the best can u beat him? if not stop hating cause thats all it is hate. what did he do to you he owe u money he bang ya girlfriend.neither 1 can beat him get it right it mr mayweather.you posters on here should go on pros versus joes and let mayweather tab dat ass then lets see what u gotta say

[IsaL]

shane beat de la hoya.

:patsch

[IsaL]

Jab overhand right.

Mosley has no jab.:patsch

[IsaL]

if he couldnt do it to cotto, he WONT do it to mayweather

:good

[IsaL]

Shane for some reason has a slim chance of winning against PBF thru boring,unimpressive split decision..

:patsch

[eze]

Mosley has no jab.:patsch
It's a paw of a jab.

[IsaL]

Why aren't the ones picking Mosley explaining how he would be a bigger threat???

DLH seems to be much faster than Mosley as of late. As was evident in their rematch, especially when Shane told his father Jack in between rounds that DLH was too fast with his combos.

Shane is flat footed, has not proved to have much power, throws one punch at a time, and when he does throw combos, his combos are not as fluid as DLHs.

Shane has become somewhat one-dimensional. His last impressive performance was against Collazo. Just Collazo.

[Ramshall1]

Why aren't the ones picking Mosley explaining how he would be a bigger threat???

DLH seems to be much faster than Mosley as of late. As was evident in their rematch, especially when Shane told his father Jack in between rounds that DLH was too fast with his combos.

Shane is flat footed, has not proved to have much power, throws one punch at a time, and when he does throw combos, his combos are not as fluid as DLHs.

Shane has become somewhat one-dimensional. His last impressive performance was against Collazo. Just Collazo.

Wrong, his last impressive performance was against a prime Cotto . . . you know the guy that Fraud is currently ducking. :deal

[Pimp C]

Neither they both lose to PBF. I would say Oscar would give PBF more problems due to Mosley's poor defense and lack of a solid jab.

[eze]

Wrong, his last impressive performance was against a prime Cotto . . . you know the guy that Fraud is currently ducking. :deal

A prime Cotto who struggled with an old Shane. You keep thinking Cotto is great so Mosley but still be great.

When in the real world. Shane who's past his best, still had enough to keep with a prime Cotto.


Also, if Floyd is ducking Cotto. Why has Arum never made Floyd an offer to fight Cotto. I mean he offered Floyd 8 million for Margo, Im sure he can offer 12-15. Why has he not?

[Pimp C]

That proves nothing. Number 1 both of those fights were close. Number 2, styles make fights. De La Hoya is a bigger stylistic matchup problem for Floyd than is Shane.
:deal

[Ramshall1]

A prime Cotto who struggled with an old Shane. You keep thinking Cotto is great so Mosley but still be great.

When in the real world. Shane who's past his best, still had enough to keep with a prime Cotto.


Also, if Floyd is ducking Cotto. Why has Arum never made Floyd an offer to fight Cotto. I mean he offered Floyd 8 million for Margo, Im sure he can offer 12-15. Why has he not?

this "old Shane" is always in shaoe and a full time boxer who wiped the floor up with a prime Collazo - the same Collazo who came within a round of beating Hatton.

DLH has reduced himself to a part time boxer who gets tired in late rounds. Shane is so "old" that he was the one pressuring a young Cotto in the late rounds.

You Fraud groupies are just plain sad. Remind me of Bush supporters.

[eze]

this "old Shane" is always in shaoe and a full time boxer who wiped the floor up with a prime Collazo - the same Collazo who came within a round of beating Hatton.

DLH has reduced himself to a part time boxer who gets tired in late rounds. Shane is so "old" that he was the one pressuring a young Cotto in the late rounds.

You Fraud groupies are just plain sad. Remind me of Bush supporters.


Styles make fights.


If DLH gets tired why did his output against Mayweather stay the same through the fight?

[Ramshall1]

Styles make fights.


If DLH gets tired why did his output against Mayweather stay the same through the fight?

o.k. buddy, now DLH doesnt get tired. :roll:

[eze]

o.k. buddy, now DLH doesnt get tired. :roll:


Tell why did his output not drop in the last rounds against Mayweather?

[Ramshall1]

Tell why did his output not drop in the last rounds against Mayweather?

Tell me DLH doesnt get tired.

EVen Fraud said "He's shown that he gets tired, he's shown that he has quit in him" - for once Fraud was right.

[eze]

Tell me DLH doesnt get tired.

EVen Fraud said "He's shown that he gets tired, he's shown that he has quit in him" - for once Fraud was right.


Im asking why did he output not drop if he gets SOO tired like you say.

[joekirkbycobra]

I'd favor Floyd over both of them very comfortably, but I think De La Hoya presents more of a problem because of his height, range, and jab.

mosleys speed and timing with blistering combinations

[Ramshall1]

Im asking why did he output not drop if he gets SOO tired like you say.

Im asking - Does DLH get tired?

[eze]

Im asking - Does DLH get tired?

I'll answer after you answer my question.

if DLH gets so tired why did his punch output not drop against Mayweather?

[Ramshall1]

I'll answer after you answer my question.

if DLH gets so tired why did his punch output not drop against Mayweather?

Your question is moot, cause I never said "DLH's output went down in the Fraud match" - my statement was simple and to the point "DLH gets tired" - anyone can see this is clearly true. . . except maybe Fraud groupies.

[eze]

Your question is moot, cause I never said "DLH's output went down in the Fraud match" - my statement was simple and to the point "DLH gets tired" - anyone can see this is clearly true. . . except maybe Fraud groupies.


Well if one is to get tired (and very tired like you say DLH does)

Wouldn't their output drop dramatically?

[Ramshall1]

Well if one is to get tired (and very tired like you say DLH does)

Wouldn't their output drop dramatically?

Does DLH get tired?

[Napuis]

Mosley, we all know he beat Cotto.

[eze]

Does DLH get tired?


Until you answer my question, yours is flawed.

[Ramshall1]

Until you answer my question, yours is flawed.

Everyone knows DLH does get tired, this debate is pretty absurd.

[eze]

Everyone knows DLH does get tired, this debate is pretty absurd.


Every fighter gets tired, they just went 12 rounds.



But accoridng to you, DLH gets VERY tired. If thats true why did his output remain the same?

[Pimp C]

Every fighter gets tired, they just went 12 rounds.



But accoridng to you, DLH gets VERY tired. If thats true why did his output remain the same?
Don't bother EZE this guy doesn't know boxing and he can't see the obvious stylistic advantages that Oscar has over Mosley going into a fight with PBF. A blind man can see it and Ram is blind when it comes to PBF.

[eze]

Don't bother EZE this guy doesn't know boxing and he can't see the obvious stylistic advantages that Oscar has over Mosley going into a fight with PBF. A blind man can see it and Ram is blind when it comes to PBF.

he says DLH gets very tired but if he does why does his punch output remain the same?

[Ramshall1]

everyone knows DLH gets tired - you Fraud groupies will argue any point no matter how stupid it is if it helps your case in sucking Fraud off.

[eze]

everyone knows DLH gets tired - you Fraud groupies will argue any point no matter how stupid it is if it helps your case in sucking Fraud off.



IF HE GETS SO TIRED WHY DID HIS PUNCH OUTPUT REMAIN THE SAME?

[Ramshall1]

IF HE GETS SO TIRED WHY DID HIS PUNCH OUTPUT REMAIN THE SAME?

Does he get tired?

[eze]

Does he get tired?


Every fighter gets tired after going 10-12 rounds.


If gets super tired like you say he does.

Wouldn't his punch output drop? A lot?

[Ramshall1]

Every fighter gets tired after going 10-12 rounds.


If gets super tired like you say he does.

Wouldn't his punch output drop? A lot?

who gets more tired in general the last 5 years, DLH or Shane?

[eze]

who gets more tired in general the last 5 years, DLH or Shane?


DLH last 3 decision fights his output went up as the fight went on.




That's irrelevant though.


If DLH gets so tired like you say he does. Would his punch output not drop?

[Ramshall1]

DLH last 3 decision fights his output went up as the fight went on.




That's irrelevant though.


If DLH gets so tired like you say he does. Would his punch output not drop?

He gets tired, only an idiot cannot see that much.

[eze]

He gets tired, only an idiot cannot see that much.




Every fighter gets tired after 8-12 rounds.


If DLH is so beat and tired, why does his punch output not drop?

[Ramshall1]

Every fighter gets tired after 8-12 rounds.


If DLH is so beat and tired, why does his punch output not drop?

who tends to get tired more DLH or SHane?

[eze]

who tends to get tired more DLH or SHane?



Well Shane was breathing hard with his mouth open after 4 rounds with Cotto.


Anyway though.



If DLH always gets so beat and tired, why does his punch output not drop?

[Ramshall1]

Well Shane was breathing hard with his mouth open after 4 rounds with Cotto.


Anyway though.



If DLH always gets so beat and tired, why does his punch output not drop?

how do you manage to type with Fraud balls in your eyes.

[randeris]

:rofl :rofl

[Symphenyceo]

eze dont bother....the topic is who poses a bigger threat RAm has yet to state why shane would pose a bigger threat..and dont say speed because thats not going to beat PBF alone..SO Ramshall can you explain why shanes style poses a bigger threat to PBF than DLH's style

[randeris]

eze dont bother....the topic is who poses a bigger threat RAm has yet to state why shane would pose a bigger threat..and dont say speed because thats not going to beat PBF alone..SO Ramshall can you explain why shanes style poses a bigger threat to PBF than DLH's styleramshall: "who gets more tired in the last 5 years?":patsch

[Ramshall1]

eze dont bother....the topic is who poses a bigger threat RAm has yet to state why shane would pose a bigger threat..and dont say speed because thats not going to beat PBF alone..SO Ramshall can you explain why shanes style poses a bigger threat to PBF than DLH's style

I already have, you should try reading my posts first.

[Shane]

There are both over the hill in my view, While Shane i think might present a more completive fight for Floyd i think Shane and DLH both have lost the hunger to be what they once where.

[Ramshall1]

60 - 12

[randeris]

i agree that Shane will pose bigger problems, because of his mixed speed and power, and his ability to box and fight.. His speed will do a big difference, meaning he will be able to catch Mayweather, unlike De La Hoya.

[Symphenyceo]

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[Symphenyceo]

i agree that Shane will pose bigger problems, because of his mixed speed and power, and his ability to box and fight.. His speed will do a big difference, meaning he will be able to catch Mayweather, unlike De La Hoya.


shane is not a better boxer than dlh...shane has no jab and no defense..yea he has the ability to fight but he was never a "boxer"..also shanes speed has diminshed alot..he was beat to the punch by cotto all fight

[eze]

Ramshall loves the cock, note he's always talking about some guys balls.

[KO Boxing]

Shane, but not by so much (and mainly because Floyd hasn't fought him yet, so there's the "unknown").

Considering Floyd would earn possibly an extra $10m fighting Dela Hoya, I can see why he made that choice.

Either or, both aren't TOO much of a threat to Floyd, these days. I think Cotto's his biggest threat outside of 154 pounders and above, and I see him (Cotto) losing a mid-to-wide decision. Even though its all about styles, I can't see Shane doing much better. And we all know what happened with DLH last time, which I think is gonna get worse the next time.

What's the underlying point that's trying to be proven in this threat? That Floyd chooses the path of least resistance again, or is it that Floyd's W over Oscar is not as good as Cotto's W over Shane? Or maybe it's a bit of both, mixed with a couple of other little underlying points (which I would love to know)?

:D

[Ramshall1]

Ramshall loves the cock, note he's always talking about some guys balls.

You suck off Fraud like youre on his payroll, do you at least charge extra when you perform the "Rusty Trombone".

[eze]

You suck off Fraud like youre on his payroll, do you at least charge extra when you perform the "Rusty Trombone".


There you go again, talking about a guys cock.

[IsaL]

i agree that Shane will pose bigger problems, because of his mixed speed and power, and his ability to box and fight.. His speed will do a big difference, meaning he will be able to catch Mayweather, unlike De La Hoya.

Dude you're living in the Pre Forrest Mosley days. The Mosley you're talking about hasn't been seen since Adrian Stone.

[daprofessor]

28 ppl voted for dlh!? wtf!? those are the same knuckleheads that will buy the next ppv. suckers.

[Lance_Uppercut]

shane is not a better boxer than dlh...shane has no jab and no defense..yea he has the ability to fight but he was never a "boxer"..also shanes speed has diminshed alot..he was beat to the punch by cotto all fight
Castillo wasn't a better boxer, nor was he a jabber with great defense. You seem to be stuck oin this criteria of who gives Floyd a tougher fight, but it doesn't seem to be based on anthing tangible.

You also aren't taking into consideration activity, which can greatly effect a fighters fight.

Aside from a fight w/ Vargas and Mayorga, DLH has NOT looked very good in a LONG time. And he does tire out.

[RealIzm]

At least the majority still have their wits

[Ramshall1]

There you go again, talking about a guys cock.

there you go again, sucking off Fraud for free.

[sandwedge]

Wrong, his last impressive performance was against a prime Cotto . . . you know the guy that Fraud is currently ducking. :deal
:good

[AlonzoGreene]

I give a slight edge to DLH. I don't think either one of them really have that good of a chance to beat him, and even a lesser chance to outpoint at this stage in their respective careers. Since I don't think either one outpoints him, I'll give the edge to De La Hoya because he has a better chance of knocking Floyd out (especially at a higher weight than 147).

[Ramshall1]

At least the majority still have their wits

:thumbsup :thumbsup

[Ramshall1]

68 - 30


Take that you shiitbird Fraud Groupies.