Underrated fighters..

[kg0208]

We are always fighting and arguing about how our favorite fighters are overrated or underrated. What about guys who are not our favorites nor seem to be the favorite or the most hated of any posters?

I think the most underrated fighter on this board who has proven his dominance is Ivan Calderon. He has I dunno how many title defenses, and isn't even mentioned in most p4p discussions.

[DanePugilist]

Yeah, its sad, but most people dont care about those that weigh little. You can add people like Ulises Solis as well plus many more.

[Jose FM]

Mayweather is very overrated, i say this cause hes very good, but people have definitely blown him into another stratosphere.

[markbrooklyn]

Joshua Clottey is underrated

[kg0208]

Mayweather is very overrated, i say this cause hes very good, but people have definitely blown him into another stratosphere.

Only the ones who have him rated top 10 P4P all time. The ones who think he isn't good at all vastly underrate him.

But Mayweather is polarizing. We all have opinions of him. I am talking about the guys who most never notice. How does someone like Cotto (no offense to him) get mentioned on P4P lists and Calderon doesn't?

[Boom_Boom]

Celestino Cabrello by far

[4Rounder]

Antonio Margarito,

very few, myself included, have faith in Margo. Many of his haters here say he is the most overrated fighter today and almost no one gives him a chance with anybody. In lame terms that says that Margo is highly underrated. Poor Margo, one day he will get his break.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Riddick Bowe.. head to head, I think this guy could've taken pretty much anybody.

[brooklyn1550]

Antonio Margarito

[kg0208]

That is because Calderon is more boring to watch than retarded snails fucking eachother. I know the kid has like a dozen defenses, but he is painful to watch. You want to talk about sweet science, he wont let a guy touch him, but he make sit look broing instead of exciting.

Boring means little to me honestly. He certainly deserves a mention P4P.

[Johnnyblaze]

joshua clottey easily.

[codeman99998]

I like to think I follow boxing pretty well, I'm not an expert or anything. I've never seen Calderon fight...

[kg0208]

kostya tszu is vastly underrated in his prime.
He was top 3 p4p....For me at least, that disqualifies him.

[brooklyn1550]

Chris John

[Rickypr18]

Antonio Margarito,

very few, myself included, have faith in Margo. Many of his haters here say he is the most overrated fighter today and almost no one gives him a chance with anybody. In lame terms that says that Margo is highly underrated. Poor Margo, one day he will get his break.
No, realists know that he is overrated because he does not have the skills needed to compete at an elite level.

[kg0208]

no one gives him any credit for being a monster.

He is considered one of the best 140lb fighters of all time. But he never beat an Elite or HoF fighter and he never moved up to fight a bigger name. I don't think that's underrated.

I think thats a matter of perspective on how high you think KT should be rated. I think he is rated exactly where he should be. One of the top 140lb fighters ever, HoF, Top 150 ATG.

[Amsterdam]

joshua clottey easily.

On what terms? Most consider him an elite level WW and a big puncher.

Realistically, he's a solid B level 2nd crop fighter with fast hands, solid skills and defence, but mediocre power and horrible footwork....

That's where he's at.

[Suge Green]

On what terms? Most consider him an elite level WW and a big puncher.

Realistically, he's a solid B level 2nd crop fighter with fast hands, solid skills and defence, but mediocre power and horrible footwork....

That's where he's at.

I like him, I think he belongs in the upper half of the top 20.

[Amsterdam]

I like him, I think he belongs in the upper half of the top 20.

Yes, lower top 10. I have nothing against him either as he makes exciting fights, but some people get the impression that he's a destroyer just for beating on ugly Margarito for 4 rounds before suffering an injury.

He's a solid, 2nd tier fighter, which means lower top 10 in the current division. About #8 to be exact.

I personally consider the top 5 to be the "top tier".

[Thinman]

We are always fighting and arguing about how our favorite fighters are overrated or underrated. What about guys who are not our favorites nor seem to be the favorite or the most hated of any posters?

I think the most underrated fighter on this board who has proven his dominance is Ivan Calderon. He has I dunno how many title defenses, and isn't even mentioned in most p4p discussions.

Kg, I am glad that you ask this question. I would say that boxers are overrated/underrated by the comments we make. Sometimes we say that X boxer is overrated because we think that some styles/boxers would defeat him, however, that not necessary means that he is overrated, unless, his fans think he his one of a kind and therefore nobody would/could defeat him.

Let me give you some examples. Hummm:think Mayorga.... If I say that Mayorga has a good/great jab, then I am overrating him big time. If I say that Pac, or PBF don't have stamina, then I would be underrating them. It all depends on the comment of the posters.

When people don't talk too much or don't talk at all about a particular boxer who happens to be doing well, then I think in some cases is because that paricular boxer for some reasons doesn't have the appeal, or his style, or whatever else you can think of, doesn't click with boxing fans or the media. At the same time it is a slap on the face for that particular boxer and his fans, and therefore we can say that he is underrated, or he is not under the radar.

The media plays an important roll and they will feed us with what makes more money for them.

At the end of the day if we are boxing fans, we should talk as much as we can about boxers, and try to tell somebody else about any new pretender or contender who could make the cut and probably more than that. At the present time, we tend to talk more about boxers that the media talk about it.

I hope you understand my point, sometimes I am not sure if people can understand what I write. :lol: Peace.

[kg0208]

yeah? not by many i have heard on here or other boxing discussions. sorry he is underrated. this tread says nothing about where he rates, or anyone else for that matter. it asks who you think is underrated, i think kt is underrated. so do me a favor and stop lecturing me.
You gave an opinion. I am dissenting. Get the fuck over it. It's not lecturing, he just doesn't fit the criteria I think means underrated, I guess you were lecturing when you gave your dissenting opinion to mine?

This thread is about guys who are not often mentioned, have little fan following or hatred. KT is discussed on this board all the time, was rated P4P for a while and has an entire continent that cheers for him. I know what the thread is about, I created it.

KT isn't very often underrated. And if you haven't noticed the fantasy threads matching him up with other ATG on this board, then you don't pay enough attention.

[kg0208]

Kg, I am glad that you ask this question. I would say that boxers are overrated/underrated by the comments we make. Sometimes we say that X boxer is overrated because we think that some styles/boxers would defeat him, however, that not necessary means that he is overrated, unless, his fans think he his one of a kind and therefore nobody would/could defeat him.

Let me give you some examples. Hummm:think Mayorga.... If I say that Mayorga has a good/great jab, then I am overrating him big time. If I say that Pac, or PBF don't have stamina, then I would be underrating them. It all depends on the comment of the posters.

When people don't talk too much or don't talk at all about a particular boxer who happens to be doing well, then I think in some cases is because that paricular boxer for some reasons doesn't have the appeal, or his style, or whatever else you can think of, doesn't click with boxing fans or the media. At the same time it is a slap on the face for that particular boxer and his fans, and therefore we can say that he is underrated, or he is not under the radar.

The media plays an important roll and they will feed us with what makes more money for them.

At the end of the day if we are boxing fans, we should talk as much as we can about boxers, and try to tell somebody else about any new pretender or contender who could make the cut and probably more than that. At the present time, we tend to talk more about boxers that the media talk about it.

I hope you understand my point, sometimes I am not sure if people can understand what I write. :lol: Peace.

I get what you're saying. Its all a matter of the perspective you look at a boxer from.

But that's why I am saying a fighter who has been dominant and yet isn't discussed often or rated P4P by most.

You notice when we mention best fighters of the 90's that Lopez is mentioned by less than half the posters? Or how no one ever mentiones Camacho as one of the greatest 130lb fighters ever?

[Amsterdam]

KG - Are you aware that your avatar is a red X?:think

[kg0208]

KG - Are you aware that your avatar is a red X?:think

For Malcolm maybe? No, never noticed it lol....it's just blank to me :)

[Amsterdam]

For Malcolm maybe? No, never noticed it lol....it's just blank to me :)

For me it says "Kg0208's avatar" with a red x.:think

[DanePugilist]

PBF is very overrated, Hopkins is overrated, Taylor likewise(well not now, maybe underrated after Spinks). Margo is underrated. Still feel that alot of people have been swift to disregard RJJ as well.

[Amsterdam]

PBF is very overrated, Margo is underrated. Still feel that alot of people have been swift to disregard RJJ as well.

By who? Most feel he's a true to form top class WW, that's overrating him if I've ever seen overrating someone.:lol:

Glorified gate keeper is about on target.

[Amsterdam]

Only his hardcore fans who think he's the best ever because "boxing has evolved since those days" :roll: . As it stand, he's the best P4P in the world and a top 50 fighter of all time. Do I think he's truly great? No, but he is among the most talented to ever lace em up.

He ain't no Whitaker, that's for damn sure.

[theHawtness]

manny pacquiao :hey

[Thinman]

I get what you're saying. Its all a matter of the perspective you look at a boxer from.

But that's why I am saying a fighter who has been dominant and yet isn't discussed often or rated P4P by most.

You notice when we mention best fighters of the 90's that Lopez is mentioned by less than half the posters? Or how no one ever mentiones Camacho as one of the greatest 130lb fighters ever?

I heard you. Lopez and Camacho were great fighters. If Camacho was in his prime right now, probably nobody could defeat him at 130. But don't tell this to Pac fans. :yep

[chrisroxthem]

wlad overrated

sultan ibragimov and oleg maskaev - underrated

pretty boy floyd - overrated

joe calzaghe - underrated - in america at least


malignaggi - underrated

miguel cotto - overrated

[DanePugilist]

By who? Most feel he's a true to form top class WW, that's overrating him if I've ever seen overrating someone.:lol:

Glorified gate keeper is about on target.How can he be considered a gate keeper, when he is reigning champ? Thats just silly. Furthermore, I believe most here thinks, what you think; that he is utter shit.

Let the future decide... I say he will beat Williams(who you as well underate, imho). Against Cotto, well - just know it will be a war. I like both, and they are both skilled in their fields.

[Amsterdam]

How can he be considered a gate keeper, when he is reigning champ? Thats just silly. Furthermore, I believe most here thinks, what you think; that he is utter shit.

Let the future decide... I say he will beat Williams(who you as well underate, imho). Against Cotto, well - just know it will be a war. I like both, and they are both skilled in their fields.

What if I am right and Cotto blasts him(he will), furthermore, what if I am REALLY right and Williams shuts him out(one of the scenerio's)?:think

Would you listen to me when I'm thrashing a guy this relentless from now on if that's the case?:D :D

[DanePugilist]

What if I am right and Cotto blasts him(he will), furthermore, what if I am REALLY right and Williams shuts him out(one of the scenerio's)?:think

Would you listen to me when I'm thrashing a guy this relentless from now on if that's the case?:D :DWould you listen to me, if Margo thrashes Cotto?:cool:. Think not:lol::lol:

[kg0208]

What if it ends in a draw? :yikes:deal

[kg0208]

Emanuel Augustus...



bigtime

True....very true.

[chrisroxthem]

on a completely unrelated note... kg that picture in ur avatar thing that girl might have the greatest ass ive ever seen.

[kg0208]

on a completely unrelated note... kg that picture in ur avatar thing that girl might have the greatest ass ive ever seen.

Keyra Agustina.....Howard Stern voted her the best ass on the internet.

She may be 110lbs soaking wet. Google her....very famous for her videos where she does a strip tease then walks off camera. I think she spawned the genre lol.

[Thinman]

A question to everybody. What about when we say such and such boxer doesn't deserve a shot? Are we underrating those fighters?

[chrisroxthem]

i think so. except when that fighter has already been knocked out or easily beaten by the person they are getting a shot against (recently) for example brock vs klitschko 2

[kg0208]

A question to everybody. What about when we say such and such boxer doesn't deserve a shot? Are we underrating those fighters?

Hmmm.......

It depends on who they are being compared to. Does Soto deserve a shot at Pacman? Certainly....but before Guzman? Debatable. What about ahead of Valero....

I guess it depends on the situation.

[DanePugilist]

What if it ends in a draw? :yikes:dealThen we wouldn't even listen to ourselves:lol::lol::lol: - Actually since I find it so hard to pick a winner in this fight, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the outcome.

[Thinman]

Hmmm.......

It depends on who they are being compared to. Does Soto deserve a shot at Pacman? Certainly....but before Guzman? Debatable. What about ahead of Valero....

I guess it depends on the situation.

I understand your point. Do you think that Mayorga deserved a shot at Forrest?

[Thinman]

Then we wouldn't even listen to ourselves:lol::lol::lol: - Actually since I find it so hard to pick a winner in this fight, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the outcome.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[Circa]

clottey

[kg0208]

I understand your point. Do you think that Mayorga deserved a shot at Forrest?

He was one of many I think. But there were probably more deserving fighters based on what they had done.

[hitman_hatton1]

ricky hatton - best slugger in world boxing bar none. :yep

[CASH_718]

Hmmm.......

It depends on who they are being compared to. Does Soto deserve a shot at Pacman? Certainly....but before Guzman? Debatable. What about ahead of Valero....

I guess it depends on the situation.Yeah but Valero and Guzman have belts. Soto can't even get a fight for a bullshit ABC belt.

[koki_kameda]

Koki Kameda

[Amsterdam]

Koki Kameda

Yeah, total hype job who needs corruption to get wins over cans, nice try.:lol:

[Ashstrodamus]

Chris JohnYou read my mind.

[myk]

Chris John, Zahir Raheem, Gerry Penalosa

[reed_man02]

Yeah but Valero and Guzman have belts. Soto can't even get a fight for a bullshit ABC belt.

its because hes so dangorous. if he wasnt such a threat, jmm would have gotten his mando outta the way instead of fighting barrios. i knew pacman facing soto was too good to be true. :nono

[reed_man02]

Chris John, Zahir Raheem, Gerry Penalosa

who has raheem beat? a shot morales? sorry but what do you think of raheem because he certainly is ranked more than fairly. you probably wouldnt even bring him up if he hadnt beat a ring worn morales. :bart

[jimmy kerr]

hatton the king of the ring is underated by the yanks