Vitali implies that Wladimir was drugged in his first fight with Brewster..

[RAMPAGE0017]

" Wladimir proved that three years ago he lost to Brewster due to an outside influence. "

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I've gotta say.... I still think Vitali is the better fight of the two brothers, but Vitali does seem awfully arrogant. :-(

His brother is a breath of fresh air, really.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Maybe he was drugged who gives a shit Wlad proved he's greater than Brewster stop beating a dead horse.


Beating what dead horse? I never said Wlad was drugged, nor did I say Wlad didn't prove anything. Think before you type, please. :good


My my.. Wlad nuthuggers are so touchy.

[kg0208]

Maybe he was drugged who gives a shit Wlad proved he's greater than Brewster stop beating a dead horse.

I am not sure being 1-1 against a fighter proves you are better. I think Wlad is better myself. But that certainly is up for debate.

[RAMPAGE0017]

You're beating a dead horse by bringing up the drugging incident. My point is that, Wladimir destroyed Brewster and proved that whether drugged or not it no longer matters, he is the greater of the two and he avenged his loss. Move on you pipsqueak.



Vitali brought it up, not me. And if you have a problem with this thread, I'd suggest you move on, turd-burglar.

[kg0208]

Go tell that to the Lewis huggers then. I guess Lewis isn't better than Rahman or Mccall either. :rofl

He accomplished more. But as far as who would beat who each time out, no one knows for sure. Thats a fact. Especially with McCall.

[DoumB]

I am not sure being 1-1 against a fighter proves you are better. I think Wlad is better myself. But that certainly is up for debate.

no offense KG but it isnt debatalble, Klitschko is superior to brewster in every aspect, wich ever way u check the first fight, he was beating brewster badly b4 the stoppage, but still lost and completly dominated him the second time around

[RAMPAGE0017]

Oh ok, what's wrong Brewster was your boy? Did Wlad destroy your boy? Oh I'm sorry man, I should have been more sensitive to your pain. I know it's hard seeing your man get owned and absolutely raped like that and being forced to quit on his stool. It's ok poor baby.
:rofl


Wow, you must be a Wlad nut-hugger of the severest order. If this is a sensitive subject to you, then you shouldn't have opened the thread. That's why I made the subject of this thread clear, so that nuthuggers could save themselves a restless night. :lol:

[Heavyrighthand]

Before this rematch, Wlad said he never accused Brewster, himself, of any wrongdoing in the first fight's strange outcome.

But I think they suspect someone else may have done something, or had it done, for him. A certain fella with tall hair is whom I bet they are suspecting.

And if that certain, suspected gentleman is capable of killing someone, he's certianly capable of hiring someone to slip something in a rival fighter's water bottles. LOL

Who knows what did or didn't happen, but it was a very strange outcome, no question.

[kg0208]

You must be a Wlad-hater of the highest order yourself and his destruction of Brewster has taken away your only source of ammunition for hating on Wlad. Now morons such as yourself can't fall back on the alleged Brewster loss as a way to discredit Wlad. Aw, too bad, your boy got absolutely brutalized and destroyed and it must absolutely eat you up inside that Wlad is now widely considered as the greatest heavyweight today by EVERYBODY. Must be a VERY tough time being a certified Wlad hater.

:hey :hey :hey

He is the best HW today. But there is no alleged loss to Brewster. And his win here doesn't erase all the deficiencies that cost him that fight. I am not really sure where you are coming from there.

A fighter with a good chin who can pressure Wlad has a shot at beating him. Everyone has their poison right?

[Shamrock]

Of course he was drugged 1st time round, and with that he has now proven he can make all other heavies look ordinary. Wlad is the greatest heavyweight since Lennox, and Lennox will be pleased he retired and doesn't need to step up to him.

[Jose FM]

I am not sure being 1-1 against a fighter proves you are better. I think Wlad is better myself. But that certainly is up for debate.
Yeah but in both fights Klitschko was destroying Brewster, and youre only as good as your last fight. So the edge definately goes to Wlad, also even the most blatant Wlad haters admit that the first fight was kinda of a freak occurance, that Wlad was so spent after only 5 rounds.

[RAMPAGE0017]

You must be a Wlad-hater of the highest order yourself and his destruction of Brewster has taken away your only source of ammunition for hating on Wlad. Now morons such as yourself can't fall back on the alleged Brewster loss as a way to discredit Wlad. Aw, too bad, your boy got absolutely brutalized and destroyed and it must absolutely eat you up inside that Wlad is now widely considered as the greatest heavyweight today by EVERYBODY. Must be a VERY tough time being a certified Wlad hater.

:hey :hey :hey

I'm not taking sides with either Wladimir OR Brewster, as a matter of fact, I've often given credit to Wladimir in the past. I created this thread to merely showcase the arrogance of Vitali. But you, in all your nut-hugging glory, took it the wrong way. And like many tight-assed Klitschko nut-huggers often do, you are getting your panties in a bunch over it. :patsch

[kg0208]

Yeah but in both fights Klitschko was destroying Brewster, and youre only as good as your last fight. So the edge definately goes to Wlad, also even the most blatant Wlad haters admit that the first fight was kinda of a freak occurance, that Wlad was so spent after only 5 rounds.

Wlad was spent because of the way he was expending energy.

And I don't think dominating Brewster up to that point really shows he is better. Why? Cuz that's been the way Brewster fights. He comes right at you and is there to be hit. He tries to wear you down then KO you. My point is he gets beaten up pretty good in every fight, ones he wins and ones he loses cuz of his style.

I have never bought into you are only as good as your last fight. Wlad looked different then he ever has in their first fight. I concede that. I think Brewster looked different than he ever had last night as well.

And I picked Wlad to win....I am just giving an opinion here.

[guillermojm]

Before this rematch, Wlad said he never accused Brewster, himself, of any wrongdoing in the first fight's strange outcome.

But I think they suspect someone else may have done something, or had it done, for him. A certain fella with tall hair is whom I bet they are suspecting.

And if that certain, suspected gentleman is capable of killing someone, he's certianly capable of hiring someone to slip something in a rival fighter's water bottles. LOL

Who knows what did or didn't happen, but it was a very strange outcome, no question.

yea i wish they cought his ass and sent him to jail that bastard has his hands in everyones pocket its sick:verysad

[RAMPAGE0017]

VK watches too much OZ.:yep

:lol:

[Butch Coolidge]

Yeah but in both fights Klitschko was destroying Brewster, and youre only as good as your last fight. So the edge definately goes to Wlad, also even the most blatant Wlad haters admit that the first fight was kinda of a freak occurance, that Wlad was so spent after only 5 rounds.

That's the way I see it too. Things just didn't look right in the first fight. I have seen KOes before but this looked more like somebody dropping from fatigue or being sick than being KTFO. The coordination was still there but the energy to move was not. For all I know it could have been blood doping backfiring on him or somebody did spike his water bottle with something or a combination of being glazed in vaseline and punching himself out had something to do with it. Either way Brewster was lucky to get the win but at least he made the most out of it with his one round drubbing of Golota and a come from behind KO of Krasniqui.

[Stimulant]

Wlad would have definately gottem KO'd in the 7th round. He's lucky McGirt stopped the fight!

[Heavyrighthand]

Wlad would have definately gottem KO'd in the 7th round. He's lucky McGirt stopped the fight!

Exactly. Wlad's finger was broken, and Brewster's face about to bust up his entire hand, next.

[Tencount85]

Some folk are comparing both fights similar punch stats and wondering why Wladimir Klitschko didn't get tired this time around. The majority of his punches were jabs, that's why he didn't get tired. In the first fight Wlad was trying to decapitate him with power shots from the opening bell.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Some folk are comparing both fights similar punch stats and wondering why Wladimir Klitschko didn't get tired this time around. The majority of his punches were jabs, that's why he didn't get tired. In the first fight Wlad was trying to decapitate him with power shots from the opening bell.


That's what I was thinking, as well. Wladimir was pretty much wingin' his shots at Brewster in the first fight, he didn't realize Brewster could take a good shot. Wladimir was much more restrained this time around.

[Fighting Weight]

You must be a Wlad-hater of the highest order yourself and his destruction of Brewster has taken away your only source of ammunition for hating on Wlad.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

So the Sanders and Purrity fights never happened then? Not to mention the multiple knockdowns WALDO has suffered, despite never actually having fought anyone any good?

Damn you WALDO lovers make it too easy at times :deal

[RAMPAGE0017]

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So the Sanders and Purrity fights never happened then? Not to mention the multiple knockdowns WALDO has suffered, despite never actually having fought anyone any good?

Damn you WALDO lovers make it too easy at times :deal

If I wanted to be an asshole.. I could've brought up the same points, but luckily you came in and did the job for me. :lol:

I think Wlad nut-huggers want to erase the loss from peoples' memories even more then Wladimir himself even does.

[LennoxGOAT]

I am not sure being 1-1 against a fighter proves you are better. I think Wlad is better myself. But that certainly is up for debate.


You can't be serious? How about 95% of the time those two have been in a ring Wlad has absolutely dominated him......does that clear up the debate?

[kg0208]

You can't be serious? How about 95% of the time those two have been in a ring Wlad has absolutely dominated him......does that clear up the debate?

No. It doesn't. Brewsters entire style is based on taking punishment. His win in the first one wasn't lucky. It's the same strategy he basically employs. It worked the first time and not the second time.

Again, read everything someone says. I said I think Wlad is the better fighter. But someone can certainly point out that they are 1-1 and that he is not definitively better until he beats him in a rubber match.

If Brewster was usually a dominant fighter from bell to bell, that would be one thing. But he isn't. He has been losing often in his high level matches before getting a KO. It's who he is (or was).

[Butch Coolidge]

No. It doesn't. Brewsters entire style is based on taking punishment. His win in the first one wasn't lucky. It's the same strategy he basically employs. It worked the first time and not the second time.

Again, read everything someone says. I said I think Wlad is the better fighter. But someone can certainly point out that they are 1-1 and that he is not definitively better until he beats him in a rubber match.

If Brewster was usually a dominant fighter from bell to bell, that would be one thing. But he isn't. He has been losing often in his high level matches before getting a KO. It's who he is (or was).


So he was strategically getting his ass whipped? That's a first even for guys who have been around boxing 31 years.

I guess it almost worked this time. Klitschko's hands couldn't take much more of the pounding Brewster's face was giving them~ if I can paraphrase Tex Cobb.

[Fighting Weight]

If I wanted to be an asshole.. I could've brought up the same points, but luckily you came in and did the job for me. :lol:

I think Wlad nut-huggers want to erase the loss from peoples' memories even more then Wladimir himself even does.

To be fair in this case it's VITLAY that's being a classless pole-smoker, but that's no more than you can expect from a man that stuttered 'I can f-f-f-f-fight on, I s-s-s-s-s-see real g-g-g-g-good' after the Lewis fight, with half his face hanging off :nut :nut :nut

Damn I give respect for WALDO avenging a defeat, but we all just knew this bullshit would start again, just like after every WALDO fight.

Oh and why oh fucking WHY can't people just admit that Brewster knocked him the fuck out the first time round, with hard left hooks??

[RAMPAGE0017]

To be fair in this case it's VITLAY that's being a classless pole-smoker, but that's no more than you can expect from a man that stuttered 'I can f-f-f-f-fight on, I s-s-s-s-s-see real g-g-g-g-good' after the Lewis fight, with half his face hanging off :nut :nut :nut

Damn I give respect for WALDO avenging a defeat, but we all just knew this bullshit would start again, just like after every WALDO fight.

Oh and why oh fucking WHY can't people just admit that Brewster knocked him the fuck out the first time round, with hard left hooks??


Because those fucking commies drugged his water, god-damnit!! :rofl

[kg0208]

So he was strategically getting his ass whipped? That's a first even for guys who have been around boxing 31 years.

I guess it almost worked this time. Klitschko's hands couldn't take much more of the pounding Brewster's face was giving them~ if I can paraphrase Tex Cobb.

Yah, thats what I said. :patsch

Are you going to deny that Brewsters style is entirely predicated on his taking shots to get his own? Wlad has a very good offense and typically dishes out a lot of punishment. Brewster was prepared to take it the first time, not the second time.

I am saying that just because Wlad was winning the first fight handily means NOTHING. It's how Brewster fights...he will take a ton of punishment to get in position.

[Butch Coolidge]

To be fair in this case it's VITLAY that's being a classless pole-smoker, but that's no more than you can expect from a man that stuttered 'I can f-f-f-f-fight on, I s-s-s-s-s-see real g-g-g-g-good' after the Lewis fight, with half his face hanging off :nut :nut :nut

Damn I give respect for WALDO avenging a defeat, but we all just knew this bullshit would start again, just like after every WALDO fight.

Oh and why oh fucking WHY can't people just admit that Brewster knocked him the fuck out the first time round, with hard left hooks??

I can't admit Brewster KOed Klitschko because I didn't see the things that normally happen when a boxer is KTFO. No chicken dance, No Trevor Berbick-legs go one way, head goes the other flop. It just looked like somebody collapsing. Not a normal looking KO.

[Fighting Weight]

I can't admit Brewster KOed Klitschko because I didn't see the things that normally happen when a boxer is KTFO. No chicken dance, No Trevor Berbick-legs go one way, head goes the other flop. It just looked like somebody collapsing. Not a normal looking KO.

He was hurt by a couple of big shots and was on rubber legs just waiting to be KO'd. Reminded me of the way Hearns went down against Hagler.

Apologies for mentioning WALDO in the same sentence as 2 real fighters, by the way :hat

[RAMPAGE0017]

Brewster definitely shook Wlad up with them two left hooks towards the end of the fifth, but I think the effects were doubled by the fact that he punched himself out.

[2smart4u]

:lol: Its funny that everyone including the ref said the fight was bizzar except some guys here on ESB ! The fight stank and thats a fact ! as far as WEIGHT is concerned KING sure as hell has fixed other fight outcomes ! But he claims its farfetched when assosiated with VLAD ! A tad hypacriticle !:deal

[Fighting Weight]

:lol: Its funny that everyone including the ref said the fight was bizzar except some guys here on ESB ! The fight stank and thats a fact ! as far as WEIGHT is concerned KING sure as hell has fixed other fight outcomes ! But he claims its farfetched when assosiated with VLAD ! A tad hypacriticle !:deal

Which other fight outcomes has Don King fixed by poisoning a fighter then?

Name em.

[2smart4u]

Which other fight outcomes has Don King fixed by poisoning a fighter then?

Name em.:lol: Give me your proof KING fixed the first LL HOLY fight ? Thats right you cant ! Some things are obvious based on circumstances ! and both of these events are obvious ! ( and for the record GEORGE claimed he did ) :hey

[RAMPAGE0017]

:lol: Give me your proof KING fixed the first LL HOLY fight ? Thats right you cant ! Some things are obvious based on circumstances ! and both of these events are obvious ! ( and for the record GEORGE claimed he did ) :hey


King appointed that cunt who scored the fight in favor of Holyfield as a judge. This " drugged " nonsense is materialized from the fucking clouds.

[2smart4u]

King appointed the cunt who scored the fight in favor of Holyfield as a judge. This " drugged " nonsense is materialized from the fucking clouds.:patsch It materialized because of events in the ring ! What happened to VLAD wasnt normal ! and as far as VLAD punching himself out is concerned VLAD claimed he was desperatly trying to KO BREW because he felt his energy draining and he didnt think he could fight much longer ! cause or effect ?:deal and for the record there was some pretty funny stuff going on around the first fight such as missing passes that is just as damming or more so then the KING appointed judges !

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

It

Doesn't

matter

anymore.

[RAMPAGE0017]

:patsch It materialized because of events in the ring !


Right, which makes it all theory. Are you gonna claim any fighter who runs out of steam was the victim of a drugging? There's NOTHING indicating that Wladimir was drugged.. what happened was Wladimir gave a humiliating performance that night, and everyone tried to save face for him with these silly allegations. I won't blame Wladimir for it because quite frankly, I don't know how these allegations got started, but either way.. they're horse shit.

[2smart4u]

Right, which makes it all theory. Are you gonna claim any fighter who runs out of steam was the victim of a drugging? There's NOTHING indicating that Wladimir was drugged.. what happened was Wladimir gave a humiliating performance that night, and everyone tried to save face for him with these silly allegations. I won't blame Wladimir for it because quite frankly, I don't know how these allegations got started, but either way.. they're horse shit.:patsch So by your account the evidence doesnt count if it disagrees with your agenda ? fact is what happened in the ring looked like he was drugged and by sheer coinsidence what happened surrounding the fight seems to support the theory ! like it or not the fight in no way or form appeared on the up and up !:deal

[RAMPAGE0017]

:patsch So by your account the evidence doesnt count if it disagrees with your agenda ?


What evidence? That's the point I'm trying to make.. there is no evidence that Wladimir was drugged. None. Zip. Zero. All's I hear are a bunch of empty allegations.

[H .]

Interesting, but not really a big deal. If Vitali believes that, then he believes that. Fine then. The only thing that really matters is how he'll look when he returns to the ring in September. That will be much more interesting.

[2smart4u]

What evidence? That's the point I'm trying to make.. there is no evidence that Wladimir was drugged. None. Zip. Zero. That's the point I'm trying to make..:patsch VLAD looked like he was drugged and acted like he was drugged and lots of suspicious stuff like security passes went missing ! This my friend is called circumstancial evidence ! and pretty strong evidence at that ! :deal

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Right, which makes it all theory. Are you gonna claim any fighter who runs out of steam was the victim of a drugging? There's NOTHING indicating that Wladimir was drugged.. what happened was Wladimir gave a humiliating performance that night, and everyone tried to save face for him with these silly allegations. I won't blame Wladimir for it because quite frankly, I don't know how these allegations got started, but either way.. they're horse shit.
His blood sugar levels were off the charts when they ran tests at the hospital. That is what brought all of the concern about in the first place. That and the fact that Wladimir was sapped of all of his strength and stamina before ever really being hit by Brewster. For a man that is always in great shape, that doesn't make much sense. Also... he was hardly responsive and could hardly breathe all of the way to the hospital. He passed out at the hospital, and then woke up hours later fine, and drove home by himself. Seems pretty bazaar to me.

Also, if you add in the fact that Manny Steward's assistant's credentials were stolen before his team arrived at the arena, which meant that someone went down, and stole Manny's assistants access pass to Klitschko's dressing room. Why would they do that? Why would someone steal his credentials, and go to Klitschko's locker room before he arrived? In order to steal the credentials, it means that he had to go up to the people running the event, pretend he was Steward's assistant and get his access pass.

That coupled with the betting odds that proved someone put a LARGE amount of Money down on Brewster within an hour or so of the fight is very concerning. So concerning that Las Vegas sports books took the V. Klitschko vs Sanders fight off of the betting books, just in case their was foul play, as the high rollers thought for sure something was foul with the Klitschko vs Brewster fight.


This is a lot more than someone just gassing out. Either way... Wladimir has grown, and overcame that nonsense, and has moved his career well passed it.

[2smart4u]

His blood sugar levels were off the charts when they ran tests at the hospital. That is what brought all of the concern about in the first place. That and the fact that Wladimir was sapped of all of his strength and stamina before ever really being hit by Brewster. For a man that is always in great shape, that doesn't make much sense. Also... he was hardly responsive and could hardly breathe all of the way to the hospital. He passed out at the hospital, and then woke up hours later fine, and drove home by himself. Seems pretty bazaar to me.

Also, if you add in the fact that Manny Steward's assistant's credentials were stolen before his team arrived at the arena, which meant that someone went down, and stole Manny's assistants access pass to Klitschko's dressing room. Why would they do that? Why would someone steal his credentials, and go to Klitschko's locker room before he arrived? In order to steal the credentials, it means that he had to go up to the people running the event, pretend he was Steward's assistant and get his access pass.

That coupled with the betting odds that proved someone put a LARGE amount of Money down on Brewster within an hour or so of the fight is very concerning. So concerning that Las Vegas sports books took the V. Klitschko vs Sanders fight off of the betting books, just in case their was foul play, as the high rollers thought for sure something was foul with the Klitschko vs Brewster fight.


This is a lot more than someone just gassing out. Either way... Wladimir has grown, and overcame that nonsense, and has moved his career well passed it.:lol: All just a coinsidence according to the haters !

[RAMPAGE0017]

:patsch VLAD looked like he was drugged and acted like he was drugged and lots of suspicious stuff like security passes went missing !

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

That is utter BS. It's as BS as those who claim there were " missing medical records ".

[2smart4u]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

That is utter BS. It's as BS as those who claim there were " missing medical records ".:lol: Sorry but your dissmissing of the circumstances is whats BULLSHIT ! :hi:

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

That is utter BS. It's as BS as those who claim there were " missing medical records ".
No, Manny's assistants credentials being stolen is a known fact. There weren't missing medical records. Wlad's blood samples were supposed to be sent to a specialist for testing, but they were destroyed. That is a fact as well, and the medical institution admitted that they were destroyed. They just claimed that Klitschko didn't respond quick enough and that is their policy. However, Klitschko claimed that he had asked the samples be sent to the specialist.

[Fighting Weight]

:lol: Sorry but your dissmissing of the circumstances is whats BULLSHIT ! :hi:

WALDO CLEARLY got hit squarely in the chin and got stopped. WALDO has been on the canvas 13? times in his career now, so him going down from a punch is hardly a Halleys Comet type phenomenon.

Sorry but who's dismissing the circumstances again, the rational posters, or the WALDO sack swingers?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Here is Judd Berstein's letter to the United States Attorney Daniel Bogden....

(I half to cut it into two posts)

Dear Mr. Bogden:

I am an attorney representing Wladimir Klitschko, a professional boxer fighting as a heavyweight. I am writing to respectfully request that your office conduct an investigation into the highly suspicious events surrounding Mr. Klitschko’s April 10, 2004 Las Vegas bout against Lamon Brewster, and the equally suspicious frustration of Mr. Klitschko’s subsequent efforts to ascertain whether or not he had been illicitly drugged or poisoned prior to or during the bout with Mr. Brewster.

As explained below, we are not leveling accusations against anyone in particular, and only seek an investigation to learn the truth and, if appropriate, punish the guilty. As evidenced by this week’s guilty plea in your District by Robert Mittelman to charges that he fixed fights and then unsuccessfully sought to bribe both a federal judge in your District and an Assistant United States Attorney in your Office, it is regrettably all too possible that someone sought to illegally influence the outcome of the Klitschko/Brewster bout. We believe that the facts of record to date more than justify a full investigation by your Office.

THE EVENTS PRIOR TO THE KLITSCHKO/BREWSTER BOUT

Before turning to what occurred during the bout, we first turn to a number of events that preceded the bout - events which, when viewed in connection with the events that followed, give off a strong odor of corruption.

First, as reported by Dean Juipe in the April 19, 2004 Las Vegas Sun, the odds on the bout posted by both Mandalay Bay and Pinnacle, leading offshore sports books, plummeted from 11-1 in Mr. Klitschko’s favor to just 3.5-1 by fight time. As Mr. Juipe pointed out, this “could only happen if there was a huge influx of money wagered on [Mr. Brewster.]” The question, of course, is why? To be sure, odds change in the days and hours before a fight, but experience shows that it is virtually unheard of for them to change so dramatically in such a short period of time.

Your investigation will reveal that Mr. Brewster was understandably a heavy underdog and that nothing in the public domain gave any cause for such a drastic change in the betting line. On the other hand, if a drugging of Mr. Klitschko was planned in advance, that fact would easily explain why there was so much “late money” bet on Mr. Brewster.

In this regard, it should be noted that identifying unusual changes in the odds has been an effective weapon in ferreting out the fixing of sporting events. As reported on March 31, 2002 by Edward Epstein of the San Francisco Chronicle: “The [gaming] industry also claims that Nevada casinos have tipped off the FBI to a few college basketball point-shaving scandals over the past several years by looking for unusual betting patterns on games.” Further, a key ground for the general consensus that the March 1999 draw in the Lennox Lewis/Evander Holyfield bout was the product of corrupt judging, was the fact that the odds on that fight went from 11-5 in Lewis’s favor to “pick ‘em” by the time of the fight. Of course, the swift change in the odds on the Klitschko/Brewster fight were far more dramatic and therefore much more indicative of foul play.

Second, there was a very suspicious incident concerning fight credentials. As you may know, certain credentials for a fight - such as the ones that give a person access to all areas of the arena on fight night - are highly prized and limited. For that reason and also, more importantly, because of security concerns, such credentials are released to an individual only if he or she is on a credentials list and he or she provides photo identification. Notwithstanding these procedures, when a member of the Klitschko team went to pick up his credential prior to the bout, he was told that it had already been picked up. When the team member asked for more information, it became clear that someone had picked up the credential by falsely claiming to be the team member. Given the requirement of photo identification, this error should not have been possible. Yet, it happened, thereby creating a situation where an unidentified person secured an all-access pass through fraud, thus providing himself unfettered access to the arena. While this scenario may seem outlandish, is it any more outlandish than Mr. Mittleman offering a judge and prosecutor in this District $15,000 to fix a case? Is it more outlandish that, in 1919, Arnold Rothstein bribed eight members of the Chicago White Sox so that they would throw the World Series?

In sum, before the Klitschko/Brewster bout even began, there were strong indications - in the form of extreme volatility in the betting line and fraud in the securing of an all-access credential - that some mischief was afoot. Those indications ripened with what transpired next.

THE KLITSCHKO/BREWSTER BOUT

As both Mr. Klitschko and his entire team, including Hall of Fame trainer Emmanuel Steward, will attest, Mr. Klitschko was in extraordinary physical condition for the bout. Indeed, according to Mr. Klitschko, he had never trained so well or come into a bout so well-conditioned. Significantly, he had never shown himself to be a fighter who lacked conditioning or stamina. Thus, what happened on April 10 is wholly inconsistent with Mr. Klitschko’s career. To be sure, he has been knocked out before, but never under circumstances such as those that prevailed on April 10. One need only review the tape of the bout in order to have serious concerns as to whether he was drugged or poisoned - especially in light of the events both before and after the bout.

Inexplicably, beginning in or about the second round, and prior to having been hit with any significant punches, Mr. Klitschko exhibited and experienced a rapid loss of energy, coherence and equilibrium. This fact was noted and is corroborated by the personal observations of his corner-men, who uniformly characterized his condition as something they had not seen previously in their long careers. They noted that he appeared to collapse during the bout, not from the effects of any blows, but rather from some other unknown cause. They also pointed out that Mr. Klitschko lacked the recuperative powers he had shown in all of his past fights, which he should have had in light of training and conditioning. These observations are consistent with publicly reported statements of Referee Robert Byrd, a very experienced official, who, in April 11, 2004's USA Today, stated: “I tried to get a response out of him but there was none. I've never stopped a fight like that." Similarly, in Mr. Juipe’s April 19, 2004 Las Vegas Sun article, an employee of the Palms Casino explained why there was no betting line available on the then-upcoming April 24, 2004 bout between Vitali Klitschko and Corrie Sanders: “It’s because the other Klitschko [Wladimir] looked like he was poisoned or something in the fight with Brewster.” (Emphasis supplied)

Further evidencing foul play is the fact that Mr. Klitschko's condition after the April 10 fight cannot be reconciled with the recuperative powers demonstrated after his defeat by Corrie Sanders in March 2003. Mr. Klitschko also lost the Sanders bout by knockout. A review of that fight shows that Mr. Klitschko was knocked out fair and square by Mr. Sanders’s very visible and powerful blows. Significantly, if one reviews the tapes of both the Sanders and the Brewster fights, it is clear that Mr. Klitschko was hit much harder by Mr. Sanders than by Mr. Brewster. Within the boxing community Mr. Sanders is widely considered one the hardest punchers, far more dangerous than Mr. Brewster. Yet, within minutes of being knocked out by Mr. Sanders, Mr. Klitschko participated in post-fight interviews, in which he coherently communicated in several different languages. In contrast, following the stoppage in Las Vegas on April 10, observers reported that, despite being conscious, Mr. Klitschko's pupils appeared dilated, he was unable to communicate and he was unable to lift his head to respond to inquiries made by the attending physicians. This condition lasted for some time. Mr. Klitschko has also confirmed that his head was completely clear after the Brewster fight was stopped; yet he could not speak or move his body with ease It is also important to note that Mr. Klitschko’s blood sugar level after the fight was 230 -- almost twice the normal level. Medical experts have confirmed to the Klitschko team that such an elevated count may well indicate that Mr. Klitschko was given a foreign substance.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

In sum, the events that transpired at the actual bout also raise serious concerns about whether Mr. Klitschko’s performance was impeded by some hidden substance.

THE FRUSTRATION OF MR. KLITSCHKO’S EFFORTS TO LEARN THE TRUTH

Following the bout, Mr. Klitschko expressed his strong view that he had been poisoned or drugged, or that he had some undetected medical condition. Mr. Klitschko’s team concurred in that assessment based upon Mr. Klitschko’s performance. At that time, no one on Mr. Klitschko’s team knew about the changes in the betting line.

Out of concern for Mr. Klitschko, he was taken to the University Medical Center of Southern Nevada (“UMC”) after the bout. At that time, blood and urine samples were taken from Mr. Klitschko.

On April 11, the next day, in order to ensure that he would have an opportunity to ascertain the truth, Mr. Klitschko arranged for additional blood and urine samples to be taken at Quest Diagnostics (“Quest’). Mr. Klitschko’s team made it emphatically clear that they wanted the blood and urine specimens preserved so that they could be tested by an independent doctor of Mr. Klitschko’s choosing.

On April 14, 2004, both UMC and Quest were sent appropriate medical authorizations, signed by Mr. Klitschko, requesting that his medical records, including his blood and urine specimens, be sent to noted physician, Dr. Robert Voy. Dr. Voy is a former physician for the Nevada State Athletic Commission and the former President of USA Boxing, the body that governs amateur and Olympic boxing in the United States. Further, over the next ten days, representatives of Mr. Klitschko left numerous messages at Quest and UMC reinforcing the requests for the blood and urine specimens.

Significantly, on information and belief, Quest has a policy of retaining blood and urine specimens for seven (7) days after testing, and UMC has a policy of retaining blood specimens for ten (10) days after testing. Hence, according to Quest and UMC policies, all of the blood and urine samples were in existence on April 14, when Quest and UMC received the medical authorization forms signed by Mr. Klitschko. Similarly, according to those same policies, the blood and urine should have been retained by Quest until April 18, and the blood should have been retained by UMC until April 20. As noted, during the period between April 14 and April 20, there were numerous communications between Mr. Klitschko’s representatives and both Quest and UMC requesting that the blood and urine specimens be preserved and sent to Dr. Voy.

Incredibly, though, all of the specimens, with the exception of one milliliter of urine (too small an amount to permit meaningful testing), had been destroyed by UMC and Quest. To date, no rational explanation has been presented for this failure to deliver the specimens which UMC and Quest had in their possession at the time Mr. Klitschko requested that they be transferred to Dr. Voy. Of course, there are a number of possible explanations, some innocent, for what occurred. However, one of those possible explanations - and an eminently reasonable one - is that those specimens were destroyed in order to hide the truth of what happened to Mr. Klitschko.

In this regard, we also note that, on April 26, 2004, Mr. Klitschko was given a complete physical examination by Dr. Stuart Friedman of Los Angeles, who is associated with Cedar Sinai Hospital. Mr. Klitschko was found to be in perfect health. Hence, if there was something physically wrong with Mr. Klitschko on April 10, it was not caused by any chronic condition.

CONCLUSION

I recognize that the issues raised here involve very serious implicit allegations. But they are allegations which, I respectfully submit, need to be investigated in order to protect the integrity of a sport that Mr. Klitschko and I love, and which is so commercially important to the State of Nevada. Something just does not smell right here, and the truth needs to come out.

Respectfully yours,
Judd Burstein

[2smart4u]

WALDO CLEARLY got hit squarely in the chin and got stopped. WALDO has been on the canvas 13? times in his career now, so him going down from a punch is hardly a Halleys Comet type phenomenon.

Sorry but who's dismissing the circumstances again, the rational posters, or the WALDO sack swingers?:lol: You sound more rediculous by the day ! YOUR WIFE HAVE A POSTER OF VLAD ON YOUR BEDROOM WALL OR SOMETHING !:yep

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Read that, if you don't see anything suspicious there... then you are a closed minded fool.

[RAMPAGE0017]

No, Manny's assistants credentials being stolen is a known fact. There weren't missing medical records. Wlad's blood samples were supposed to be sent to a specialist for testing, but they were destroyed. That is a fact as well, and the medical institution admitted that they were destroyed. They just claimed that Klitschko didn't respond quick enough and that is their policy. However, Klitschko claimed that he had asked the samples be sent to the specialist.


I've just found what I believe to be the " root " to all of these allegations, and ironically enough it was from Wladimir's shyster, and in typical shyster fashion splits hairs on any detail possible to further advance his arguement, and impose his point of view onto others.

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There's the link. I gotta hand it to this shyster, he's good at spinning his facts. I especially love how he implies that punching one's self out has to be related to some " chronic condition ".

[Fighting Weight]

:lol: You sound more rediculous by the day ! YOUR WIFE HAVE A POSTER OF VLAD ON YOUR BEDROOM WALL OR SOMETHING !:yep

So it's more ridiculous to think that WALDO got hit on the chin, than to think someone stole his trainers credentials and poisoned his water, and then conspired with the hospital to destroy his blood tests?

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[RAMPAGE0017]

So it's more ridiculous to think that WALDO got hit on the chin, than to think someone stole his trainers credentials and poisoned his water, and then conspired with the hospital to destroy his blood tests?

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


Yeah, Don King must have connections to fucking " Whitey " Bulger, or some shit. :rofl :rofl

[Fighting Weight]

according to Mr. Klitschko, he had never trained so well or come into a bout so well-conditioned. Significantly, he had never shown himself to be a fighter who lacked conditioning or stamina.

I got this far and stopped :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If it pleases the court, the defence would like to call Ross the boss to the stand :patsch

[RAMPAGE0017]

I got this far and stopped :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If it pleases the court, the defence would like to call Ross the boss to the stand :patsch


No, read more.. it get's better, believe it or not.

[2smart4u]

So it's more ridiculous to think that WALDO got hit on the chin, than to think someone stole his trainers credentials and poisoned his water, and then conspired with the hospital to destroy his blood tests?

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl:lol: You do realize that no matter what you claim you cant dissmiss the crazy evidence surrounding the fight and the bizzar events that transpired in the fight ! like it or not the fight didnt seem on the up and up !:deal

[Fighting Weight]

Yeah, Don King must have connections to fucking " Whitey " Bulger, or some shit. :rofl :rofl

Thing is I can fully accept that King is a corrupt piece of shit that has bribed judges and referees in the past, but poison a fighter in a way that's untraceable?? Give me a fucking break :lol:

[2smart4u]

Read that, if you don't see anything suspicious there... then you are a closed minded fool.:lol: yes they are fools ! Guys like these are the reason the government can pull the wool of the GEN POP so easy and infomercials are so successful !:yep

[Fighting Weight]

No, read more.. it get's better, believe it or not.

I've just read the rest of it.....who the fuck is the retard that composed this pile of shit?? I love that long winded shit about WALDOS recuperative powers :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[2smart4u]

Thing is I can fully accept that King is a corrupt piece of shit that has bribed judges and referees in the past, but poison a fighter in a way that's untraceable?? Give me a fucking break :lol::patsch you really think that this is so hard ? espesally when your fighter is going to most likely get Koed so bribing judges wont work and your going to loose MILLIONS ? The fight stank WEIGHT !:deal

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I got this far and stopped :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If it pleases the court, the defence would like to call Ross the boss to the stand :patsch
What does the Puritty fight have to do with this? A 22 year old Wladimir who blew his wad by the 11th round of a fight that he fought at a higher pace than the Brewster fight? A 225 pound Wlad who was sick all week, and had fought 6 fights in the past 6 months, 24 fights in the past 2 years? What does that have to do with Wlad collapsing after the 4th round of his fight with Brewster before he was even tagged? Getting helped up by the ref, and then doing the same after the 5th? Brewster himself admitted that Wlad was gasping for air in the 2nd round! That is quite a bit different than a green, young Wlad, blowing his wad over 11 rounds of a higher paced fight.

[RAMPAGE0017]

I especially love how this shyster doesn't acknowledge the fact that Wladimir was winging full-blown power shots for a full five rounds as to avoid the possibility that Wladimir simply ran out of steam.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Pathetic, Wlad avenges his defeat and now they try their best to turn back time and run his name through the mud again. It must suck being a Klitschko hater.

[2smart4u]

What does the Puritty fight have to do with this? A 22 year old Wladimir who blew his wad by the 11th round of a fight that he fought at a higher pace than the Brewster fight? A 225 pound Wlad who was sick all week, and had fought 6 fights in the past 6 months, 24 fights in the past 2 years? What does that have to do with Wlad collapsing after the 4th round of his fight with Brewster before he was even tagged? Getting helped up by the ref, and then doing the same after the 5th? Brewster himself admitted that Wlad was gasping for air in the 2nd round! That is quite a bit different than a green, young Wlad, blowing his wad over 11 rounds of a higher paced fight.:good It has nothing to do with it ! They are grasping to try and win an unwinnable argument and they are sounding rediculous !:bbb

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I especially love how this shyster doesn't acknowledge the fact that Wladimir was winging full-blown power shots for a full five rounds as to avoid the possibility that Wladimir simply ran out of steam.
He had recently done the same thing, but only a higher output of overall, and power punches against Ray Mercer for 6 rounds, and never showed any signs of slowing down. Hell, he was even hit more by Mercer than he was by Brewster... so the theory of Wlad simply being exhausted after 4 rounds of boxing is retarded. I believe that he threw more punches in his second fight with Brewster after 5 rounds, than he did in the first. Did he look on the verge of collapsing to you? Did he look like he couldn't fight that pace without gassing out?

[RAMPAGE0017]

Pathetic, Wlad avenges his defeat and now they try their best to turn back time and run his name through the mud again. It must suck being a Klitschko hater.


Actually, it looks to me like you're trying to erase the fact that Wladimir ever even lost to Brewster.

[2smart4u]

I especially love how this shyster doesn't acknowledge the fact that Wladimir was winging full-blown power shots for a full five rounds as to avoid the possibility that Wladimir simply ran out of steam.:patsch Cause or effect ? VLAD claimed he was trying to get rid of BREW quickly because between rounds he felt very weak and didnt think he could fight much longer ! ( and he was right and almost got it done ) :hi:

[RAMPAGE0017]

I believe that he threw more punches in his second fight with Brewster after 5 rounds, than he did in the first. Did he look on the verge of collapsing to you? Did he look like he couldn't fight that pace without gassing out?


Let's not take things out of context like Wlad's shyster. Wladimir wasn't trying nearly as hard to knock Brewster out as he was in the first fight.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Actually, it looks to me like you're trying to erase the fact that Wladimir ever even lost to Brewster.
Why does it matter if he lost to Brewster over 3 years ago? He just beat the ever loving shit out of him last night. Let alone the fact that he beat the shit out of Brewster for all but 1 minute of their last fight as well. So... even if you believed that Wlad's stamina was awful in their first fight, and he simply gassed out... what does that matter? What does that change about the Wladimir of today, besides the fact that if that is your stance on the first fight, then he has obviously erased the problem with himself?

[RAMPAGE0017]

:patsch Cause or effect ? VLAD claimed he was trying to get rid of BREW quickly because between rounds he felt very weak and didnt think he could fight much longer ! ( and he was right and almost got it done ) :hi:


Perhaps he felt weak because he was throwing full-on power shots? Or is that out of the question? I know it's difficult to believe, but when you constantly throw power shots.. you tend to grow tired, and weak.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Perhaps he felt weak because he was throwing full-on power shots? Or is that out of the question? I know it's difficult to believe, but when you constantly throw power shots.. you tend to grow tired, and weak.
Once again... if that is your stance, that Wlad punched himself out.... who cares? Obviously he fixed that problem and it didn't happen again. So what is your point? That happening 3 years ago has nothing to do with the Wlad of the today. Right?

[RAMPAGE0017]

Why does it matter if he lost to Brewster over 3 years ago? He just beat the ever loving shit out of him last night. Let alone the fact that he beat the shit out of Brewster for all but 1 minute of their last fight as well. So... even if you believed that Wlad's stamina was awful in their first fight, and he simply gassed out... what does that matter? What does that change about the Wladimir of today, besides the fact that if that is your stance on the first fight, then he has obviously erased the problem with himself?


Time out.. so you feel that since Wladimir has defeated Brewster that Brewster's win in turn no longer has significance? It never happened?? :huh

[Fighting Weight]

What does the Puritty fight have to do with this? A 22 year old Wladimir who blew his wad by the 11th round of a fight that he fought at a higher pace than the Brewster fight? A 225 pound Wlad who was sick all week, and had fought 6 fights in the past 6 months, 24 fights in the past 2 years? What does that have to do with Wlad collapsing after the 4th round of his fight with Brewster before he was even tagged? Getting helped up by the ref, and then doing the same after the 5th? Brewster himself admitted that Wlad was gasping for air in the 2nd round! That is quite a bit different than a green, young Wlad, blowing his wad over 11 rounds of a higher paced fight.

Excuses are like assholes - it wasn't the first time WALDO had ran out of gas in a fight.

He never ran out of gas anyway, he ran into a big left hook, all this crap you keep spouting is ridiculous.

[2smart4u]

Perhaps he felt weak because he was throwing full-on power shots? Or is that out of the question? I know it's difficult to believe, but when you constantly throw power shots.. you tend to grow tired, and weak.:lol: cause or effect ! Perhaps ( as he claimed ) his only chance at winning was to get BREW out early because he was feeling weak ? the fight stank ! live with it !:D

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Time out.. so you feel that since Wladimir has defeated Brewster that Brewster's win in turn no longer has significance? It never happened?? :huh
Do you have a learning disability? When did I say it never happened? Does Lewis' losses to McCall and Rahman disappear because he beat them? Of course not. Does Wladimir's losses ever disappear? Of course not... but the point of a rematch is to right a wrong. To avenge a defeat and set things straight.. if not... what is the point, or significance of a rematch?

Nothing will ever erase what happened in Wlad's past. However, the point is that obviously whatever happened in his past, he has grown from it and is a much better fighter now. So.. back to the point I already made 8 times.... what does it matter? If you believe that Wlad's stamina was shitty in that fight, that he punched himself out, ect..... obviously that isn't a problem anymore. So, it has nothing to do with the fighter that we see in his prime today.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Excuses are like assholes - it wasn't the first time WALDO had ran out of gas in a fight.

He never ran out of gas anyway, he ran into a big left hook, all this crap you keep spouting is ridiculous.
Right... I guess Brewster is lying when he said that Wlad ran out of gas.:rofl I guess Brewster was lying when he said that he heard Wladimir gasping for air in the second round. Brewster was lying when he said that he knew that Wladimir would get exhausted from beating on him, and he did.

You must really think Brewster is a liar.

[Fighting Weight]

He had recently done the same thing, but only a higher output of overall, and power punches against Ray Mercer for 6 rounds, and never showed any signs of slowing down. Hell, he was even hit more by Mercer than he was by Brewster... so the theory of Wlad simply being exhausted after 4 rounds of boxing is retarded. I believe that he threw more punches in his second fight with Brewster after 5 rounds, than he did in the first. Did he look on the verge of collapsing to you? Did he look like he couldn't fight that pace without gassing out?

Good point. He must have gone down because he got punched in the chin then :hi:

[Fighting Weight]

Right... I guess Brewster is lying when he said that Wlad ran out of gas.:rofl I guess Brewster was lying when he said that he heard Wladimir gasping for air in the second round. Brewster was lying when he said that he knew that Wladimir would get exhausted from beating on him, and he did.

You must really think Brewster is a liar.

No, but I saw with my own eyes Brewster punching WALDO in the chin, and WALDO staggering back across the ring like Bambi on ice, and then flopping to the canvas.

I'm sure WALDO was gassed, but he didn't fall to the canvas without a little help from left hooks - denying it just makes you look an even bigger idiot than normal.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Do you have a learning disability? When did I say it never happened? Does Lewis' losses to McCall and Rahman disappear because he beat them? Of course not. Does Wladimir's losses ever disappear? Of course not... but the point of a rematch is to right a wrong. To avenge a defeat and set things straight.. if not... what is the point, or significance of a rematch?

Nothing will ever erase what happened in Wlad's past. However, the point is that obviously whatever happened in his past, he has grown from it and is a much better fighter now. So.. back to the point I already made 8 times.... what does it matter? If you believe that Wlad's stamina was shitty in that fight, that he punched himself out, ect..... obviously that isn't a problem anymore. So, it has nothing to do with the fighter that we see in his prime today.

Nice spin, but we're not debating the rematch, we're debating the first fight. And you just said " who cares " about what happened in the first fight, so you must be pretty eager to get it out of peoples memories.

And nobody is trying to " change " what Wladimir has accomplished, but my arguement is against what I believe to be horse-shit allegations.


cause or effect ! Perhaps ( as he claimed ) his only chance at winning was to get BREW out early because he was feeling weak ? the fight stank ! live with it !

I disagree, everything that's been said is objectional. Even what the shyster said is highly objectional.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Good point. He must have gone down because he got punched in the chin then :hi:
When Wlad was punched in the chin... he didn't go down. Get your facts straight.:good Watching a fight always helps when discussing it. Also, if you watched it you must be deaf... because all of the commentators including Roy Jones were takling about how exhausted Wlad was, and how he looked like he was ready to go, before Brewster even landed a punch in the 5th.

I guess you only hear what you want to hear, and see what you want to see. Ignorance is bliss.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

No, but I saw with my own eyes Brewster punching WALDO in the chin, and WALDO staggering back across the ring like Bambi on ice, and then flopping to the canvas.

I'm sure WALDO was gassed, but he didn't fall to the canvas without a little help from left hooks - denying it just makes you look an even bigger idiot than normal.
So... you are claiming that it was a lucky punch? You are claiming that Yes, Wladimir dominated Brewster for 14 of 15 minutes and then was caught by a lucky punch? Ok. That is your stance.

Or is it your stance that Brewster's gameplan was to get near death, and then end the fight anytime that he wanted to?:lol: I wonder when he planned on doing it last night, until he decided to quit instead.:huh

[RAMPAGE0017]

When Wlad was punched in the chin... he didn't go down. Get your facts straight.:good Watching a fight always helps when discussing it. Also, if you watched it you must be deaf... because all of the commentators including Roy Jones were takling about how exhausted Wlad was, and how he looked like he was ready to go, before Brewster even landed a punch in the 5th.

I guess you only hear what you want to hear, and see what you want to see. Ignorance is bliss.


Yeah, when Wladimir was hit on the chin he flew into the ropes, which caught his fall, where the referee then gave him a standing 8 count when Brewster had him in trouble as he was propped up against the ropes. :hi:

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Nice spin, but we're not debating the rematch, we're debating the first fight. And you just said " who cares " about what happened in the first fight, so you must be pretty eager to get it out of peoples memories.

And nobody is trying to " change " what Wladimir has accomplished, but my arguement is against what I believe to be horse-shit allegations.




I disagree, everything that's been said is objectional. Even what the shyster said is highly objectional.
If all you want to talk about is the first fight, then fine... I will stop responding to you on this matter. I live in the real world as it is today, not over 3 years ago. I had these discussions 3 years ago, and at this point in Wlad's career, his first fight with Brewster is a thing of the past that has no significance on his career right now.

[RAMPAGE0017]

If all you want to talk about is the first fight, then fine... I will stop responding to you on this matter. I live in the real world as it is today, not over 3 years ago. I had these discussions 3 years ago, and at this point in Wlad's career, his first fight with Brewster is a thing of the past that has no significance on his career right now.


The first fight is what I've been talking about the whole fucking time. If you didn't want to talk about it, why even get into the arguement if you want to forget the past? :lol:

[samita]

looky here. the same people who were saying stop with the excuses for the rematch are now bringing their excuses for the first brewster/klitschko.
hypocrisy at its finest :)

[Farmboxer]

Vlad was drugged the night of the first Brewster fight. The US Boxing media did a job of propaganda against the circumstances of that night. Vlad does not run out of gas in the first few rounds, plus Vlad could have died that night, yet US Boxing Media did not care. I have seen all of Vlad's fights, have all of them, he has never run out of gas in any fight except the Puritty fight early in his career and that was in the 11th round. No chin problem. Vlad threw more punches in the Mercer fight than in the Brewster fight, also had no problem going 12 hard rounds with Brewster's cousin Byrd. Where was the stamina problem then? A diabetic coma is very serious, blood sugar was very dangerous, yet no concern for Vlad's health, on concern for a propaganda job by US Boxing media. MRI does not lie, Vlad had zero signs of any concussion period, doctors were only concerned with diabetic coma. Two tests disappeared, video of a person in Vlad's dressing room, stolen ID, missing water bottle, no betting on Vitali's fight allowed, the sudden reduction of betting odds on Vlad in the first fight, etc., if this had been a basketball, game, baseball, football, there would have been an automatic investigation, game cancelled, etc., but all those who hate the Klitschkos, any Euro fighter, only care about their hatred. Vlad is extremely talented, the bias had causes us to see fewer of his fights. He is extremely talented. Before Vitali fought in US, US Boxing media said he has zero stamina, no chin, was slow, etc., a lie! I know because I had been waching their fights all these years, so I knew about their fights, their talent, etc., yet US Boxing media kept lying. Max Kellerman, on ESPN2, FNF, said that he would never recognize the WBO as long as a Klitschko had the title! How biased! Vlad is a very excellent fighter, yet there are still those who claim he is slow, clumsy, no balance, no defense, no chin, no stamina, etc. I think those who say such have not seen all his fights. Gold medal winner of 1996 Olympics, superheavyweight division, world military champion, internation champion, etc. I have been in boxing all my life and I have never seen such a talented heavyweight in all my life, but because of all the bigotry, bias, lies, provincialism, etc., we missed seeing such a good fighter fight. It is sad. When he is retired, I will miss watching such a heavyweight. Vlad is, by far the best heavyweight today. Re-read the Judd letter, read some of Emanuel's interviews, Scoop Malinowski was on boxing writer who had the courage to write the truth, but he was one of only a very few. Sad. Chris Byrd claimed that Vlad poisoned his gloves in their first fight, yet I heard nothing between rounds from he or his father, anyone in his corner say anything about eyes burning! Max Kellerman kept claiming Byrd was a victim of glove poisoning! Not true, yet US Boxing Media treated Byrd's claims as if it was legit, yet there was zero evidence, gloves were checked, yet still nothing said about the fact that they were clean. Yet, with all the evidence of circumstances, anyone who mentioned Vlad being drugged was always covered up. Can you imagine if Austin, or anyone of Don King's fighters had had such evidence? People need to do their own investigations, agendas are there too much. I remember some other reports on fights that were no seen in America, yet media said crap that was no where near the truth! Ignore the circumstances, motives, proofs, etc., but alway take seriously the lies.

[Ivo]

There were mysterious circumstances surrounding the first fight. Just look at the face off before referee giving them final instructions. In the first fight Brewster looked so confident. In the second he was timid.

It is bad that there was not an investigation about the first fight. We will never learn the truth and speculate forever.

[Rock0052]

Read that, if you don't see anything suspicious there... then you are a closed minded fool.

Thanks for posting that letter Widdow.

[Drexl]

" Wladimir proved that three years ago he lost to Brewster due to an outside influence. "

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I've gotta say.... I still think Vitali is the better fight of the two brothers, but Vitali does seem awfully arrogant. :-(

His brother is a breath of fresh air, really.
No surprise there. Vitali never could act like a man and take a legit defeat. :hey

Wlad is almost as bad. After the Brewster loss he kept saying...
"I have no excuses...BUT...."
...then listing all of his excuses and even going as far as getting his lawyer to release a BS letter of excuses to the media.

:lol:

[Drexl]

Thanks for posting that letter Widdow.
Yes, thanks. Fantastic work of fiction by one of boxing's finest liars..oops I mean lawyers. :D


NOW READ THE TRUTH.........

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[Fighting Weight]

Yes, thanks. Fantastic work of fiction by one of boxing's finest liars..oops I mean lawyers. :D


NOW READ THE TRUTH.........

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Thanks Drex, that was a good read, and not surprisingly far more believable than the horseshit Window posted :deal

[Mendoza]

Yeah Scoop is great :lol::lol::lol::lol: What a moron,, remember he didi an srticle on the ESB page talking about how Wladamir will "explode his steel hammers on Peter"

this is what you are dealing with.

BTW in recent fightnews article Wlad admitted that he was knocked out by Brewster why can these morons not admit the same.????

No one is disputing the official result of the first fight. But something was not right with Wlad. Brewster is a man of high ethics. He sent Wlad a post card saying “ You beat me “
Are you aware of this? In other words Brewster knew Wlad was not 100%, but understands the business of boxing and what the win meant for him.

It matters not. Wlad avenged the loss in dominating fashion. He won 10 of 11 rounds, and damaged Brewster far more than Brewster damaged him. If there’s a rubber match, Brewster will sustain a life changing beating.

[Gabriel R.]

That's nonsense. The outcome of the second fight doesn't say anything about the ongoings in the first fight. Purely factually, Vitali's view is not right. And it's not even fair. The headline "Night of truth" should remain a marketing thing.

[Ivo]

That\'s nonsense. The outcome of the second fight doesn\'t say anything about the ongoings in the first fight. Purely factually, Vitali\'s view is not right. And it\'s not even fair. The headline \"Night of truth\" should remain a marketing thing.


Yes, it says alot. And the whole Brewster behaviour does too. Just see how arrogant he was at the face off in the first fight. When the referee gave them instrutons. Compare with him with his head low and timid in the second fight face off.

[RAMPAGE0017]

That's nonsense. The outcome of the second fight doesn't say anything about the ongoings in the first fight. Purely factually, Vitali's view is not right. And it's not even fair. The headline "Night of truth" should remain a marketing thing.


It's nonsense, but it's not surprising in the least.. not to me, anyway. I figured that WALD-lovers were in hopes that this rematch would somehow erase the past from everyone's memory, and apparently I was right. But unfortunately for them I remember the past very clearly. :yep

[RAMPAGE0017]

Yes, it says alot. And the whole Brewster behaviour does too. Just see how arrogant he was at the face off in the first fight. When the referee gave them instrutons. Compare with him with his head low and timid in the second fight face off.


It's pretty well known that Brewster was unusually confident due to the fact of his trainer recently passing away.

[2ironmt]

"outside influence" or no, something was wrong with wlad in the first fight-don't know how that can be disputed whether it was a temporary case of Briggs asthma or what. Wlad was pummelling Brewster in the first fight before it happened and also in the second fight until Brewster quit. Brewster wasn't shot between the two fights - he just never was on Wlad's level (guy's best win was the golota barrage outside of wlad, struggled with meehan, krasniqui, lost to shufford, etc etc).

[kaygb]

Originally Posted by Ivo
Yes, it says alot. And the whole Brewster behaviour does too. Just see how arrogant he was at the face off in the first fight. When the referee gave them instrutons. Compare with him with his head low and timid in the second fight face off.

It says nothing. Ivo another PHD in Behavioral Science. That remark is similiar of Oscars facial expressions in training for the PBF fight. some were saying "look at Oscars expressions. No way he can lose." and "Ooooh I feel sorry for PBF. Look at that determination on Oscars face".
And now it's "look at the timid look with head down on Brewster" It means absolutely nothing. There's way too much put on staredowns today.

[Mr "T"]

You're beating a dead horse by bringing up the drugging incident. My point is that, Wladimir destroyed Brewster and proved that whether drugged or not it no longer matters, he is the greater of the two and he avenged his loss. Move on you pipsqueak.
No, it does make a difference, if Wlad wasn't drugged in the first fight then maybe Brewster beat him fair and square and they are both at 1 TKO apiece, which often implies that a rematch may be necessary.
Someone should do a poll now that the dust has settled. I don't buy the anxiety or panic attack theories, they just don't add up scientifically. Wlad proved he was drugged in the first fight.:yep

[Mr "T"]

Yeah Scoop is great :lol::lol::lol::lol: What a moron,, remember he didi an srticle on the ESB page talking about how Wladamir will "explode his steel hammers on Peter"

this is what you are dealing with.


BTW in recent fightnews article Wlad admitted that he was knocked out by Brewster why can these morons not admit the same.????
Well, hell, let's have a rematch then, because obviously Brew had a strategy that worked--it may work again-- :deal On second thought I like Brewster--he's a warrior --and he and Wlad respect each other- let's leave it.

[Mr "T"]

WALDO CLEARLY got hit squarely in the chin and got stopped. WALDO has been on the canvas 13? times in his career now, so him going down from a punch is hardly a Halleys Comet type phenomenon.

Sorry but who's dismissing the circumstances again, the rational posters, or the WALDO sack swingers?Let's have a rematch-they are both 1 TKO apiece.:deal Is that OK with you?