The definitive Calzaghe-Kessler prediction thread.

[Amsterdam]

Let's get every posters vote.:good

[DanePugilist]

I sway between decision or stoppage for Kessler. I almost think it will be easier for Kessler to win by stoppage than by pts. I have just reviewed their top fights, and gonna do it again - plus add more.

[WhataRock]

Joe C, to much speed, to much talent.

He only has a few more prime fights left and this is one of them.

He takes it on points as he never allows Kess to settle and establish the jab.

[henrik]

kessler by late ko..

[CarltonBlues]

Kessler TKO

[brooklyn1550]

Calzaghe UD

[RAMPAGE0017]

I'll go with Calzaghe by decision.... it's still a close call, though.

[chrisroxthem]

calzaghe by knockout

[pecks]

Kessler by decision.
He will keep the fight at distance long enough to score a points win. Calzaghe will win stages of the fight when it's fought in close, but Kessler won't allow him to get in close enough to win the majority of the rounds.

The conclusion...
Blocky's jaw will drop so low that it will skid along his chiseled abs before hitting the ground...

MaxMoneluex will provide evidence of how Kessler is more British than Danish...

Deram will blow a load like a fire hose putting out an inferno, before telling us how he actually predicted that result all along, thus ignoring his 18363920 posts across 10 or so forums where he mentions it'll be a 50/50 fight...

oztriker will still hate mundine. :D

[Lostmykeys]

I'd say Kessler UD. Calzaghe has been declining lately and I dont think he'll be able to hang with Kessler.

[Sai]

Calzaghe by late KO. Hes got way too much in the tank, and hes too experienced and too quick to fall for Kesslers telegraphed straight right. Hes going to be pretty far ahead on the cards as Kessler gasses late and gets stopped.

[pecks]

Calzaghe by late KO. Hes got way too much in the tank, and hes too experienced and too quick to fall for Kesslers telegraphed straight right. Hes going to be pretty far ahead on the cards as Kessler gasses late and gets stopped.What makes you think Kessler will gas late in the fight?
From what I've seen of him, he's always been able to step up the pace and maintain that pace.

[stiflers mum]

Kessler by decision.
He will keep the fight at distance long enough to score a points win. Calzaghe will win stages of the fight when it's fought in close, but Kessler won't allow him to get in close enough to win the majority of the rounds.

The conclusion...
Blocky's jaw will drop so low that it will skid along his chiseled abs before hitting the ground...

MaxMoneluex will provide evidence of how Kessler is more British than Danish...

Deram will blow a load like a fire hose putting out an inferno, before telling us how he actually predicted that result all along, thus ignoring his 18363920 posts across 10 or so forums where he mentions it'll be a 50/50 fight...

oztriker will still hate mundine. :D
:lol:funny.but joe via UD.though not a lacy like beatdown as blocky thinks.and i think oz will come around and jump on the mundine bandwagon and with gav will reopen [Only registered and activated users can see links] website.

[Amsterdam]

He gassed against Mundine and Andrade - the two fighters that kept him fighting at a relatively high workrate.

As for guys thinking Kessler's jab is going to be a factor in this fight, FUCKING GROW A BRAIN.

If Kessler hasn't been working on getting the sharpest, smoothest straight right lead before this fight, he should shoot his trainers. The jab won't do shit in this one

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm starting to enjoy this clown's comments again, I think it's because he removed the shitty avatar.:think

[WhataRock]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm starting to enjoy this clown's comments again, I think it's because he removed the shitty avatar.:think

At least he has a sixpack of rock hard abs.

Or at least a picture of some on his computer.

[hitman_hatton1]

He gassed against Mundine and Andrade - the two fighters that kept him fighting at a relatively high workrate.

that's my main worry with kessler.

it's definitely a valid criticism.

calzaghe late or on pts.

[CarltonBlues]

that's my main worry with kessler.

it's definitely a valid criticism.

calzaghe late or on pts.

He actually finished strong against Mundine.

[hitman_hatton1]

He actually finished strong against Mundine.

he lost rd 12 i thought.

1 of only 3 rds i had him losing in the entire fight.

he lost some later rds against andrade as well.

calzaghe can set a crazy pace.

can kessler last out. :huh

hence the reason it's a valid criticism.

[pecks]

he lost rd 12 i thought.

1 of only 3 rds i had him losing in the entire fight.

he lost some later rds against andrade as well.

calzaghe can set a crazy pace.

can kessler last out. :huh

hence the reason it's a valid criticism.Round 12 against Mundine was close, but I'd probably still give it to Kessler.
Against Andrade he was miles ahead and could afford to give away rounds, but having said that I think he won all the rounds in that fight too.

If him and Calzaghe are evenly poised, I think you'll see him fighting at a high work rate throughout the later stages of the fight.

[WhataRock]

I think its pretty clear that Joe keeps a faster pace than Kessler, and I think it will be a factor in the fight.

But Kess has shown he can keep up a good pace, he threw something like 800 punches in the Andrade fight, whilst moving around a lot. And landed like 3 punches for every 1 of Andrade's.

For record Hitman, I tought Kessler won the last round of the Mundine fight, but it was one of the closer ones. And he never lost a round in Andrade fight, some werent as dominate as others but he outlanded and essentially outboxed Andrade in every single round.

I think Kessler slowing down in the Thobela fight, A fight he was in complete control of and under no pressue in, is a more worrying example of his stamina issue.

[PeterNielsen70]

Joe C, to much speed, to much talent.

He only has a few more prime fights left and this is one of them.

He takes it on points as he never allows Kess to settle and establish the jab.


To much talent:think
I’ve said it before. Kessler will not engage in a street fight – like the way Joe often likes to fight – wild swinging with closed eyes.:fight Watch the clip (e.g. around 2:00). If that’s the way JCs plans to take on Kessler – then I’ll just say that it soon will be bedtime for good old swinging, slapping Joe. :yep

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[DanePugilist]

Kessler by decision.
He will keep the fight at distance long enough to score a points win. Calzaghe will win stages of the fight when it's fought in close, but Kessler won't allow him to get in close enough to win the majority of the rounds.

The conclusion...
Blocky's jaw will drop so low that it will skid along his chiseled abs before hitting the ground...

MaxMoneluex will provide evidence of how Kessler is more British than Danish...

Deram will blow a load like a fire hose putting out an inferno, before telling us how he actually predicted that result all along, thus ignoring his 18363920 posts across 10 or so forums where he mentions it'll be a 50/50 fight...

oztriker will still hate mundine. :D:lol::lol::lol::lol: thumbs up... Even if I like Deram, this will probably be true.

[ChuckYoungblood]

He gassed against Mundine and Andrade - the two fighters that kept him fighting at a relatively high workrate.

As for guys thinking Kessler's jab is going to be a factor in this fight, FUCKING GROW A BRAIN.

If Kessler hasn't been working on getting the sharpest, smoothest straight right lead before this fight, he should shoot his trainers. The jab won't do shit in this one

I think your other avatar was more fun and reflected your personality on this forum better - it was a bit more annoying to look at. :smooch

Are you by the way David Bloch - his writings on ESB seems to resemble your views on the fight...

[DanePugilist]

I think its pretty clear that Joe keeps a faster pace than Kessler, and I think it will be a factor in the fight.

But Kess has shown he can keep up a good pace, he threw something like 800 punches in the Andrade fight, whilst moving around a lot. And landed like 3 punches for every 1 of Andrade's.

For record Hitman, I tought Kessler won the last round of the Mundine fight, but it was one of the closer ones. And he never lost a round in Andrade fight, some werent as dominate as others but he outlanded and essentially outboxed Andrade in every single round.

I think Kessler slowing down in the Thobela fight, A fight he was in complete control of and under no pressue in, is a more worrying example of his stamina issue.Actually Kessler landed 50% of his punches, while Andrade landed 10%.

Maybe he doesn't have JCs stamina, but keeping such a pace he did against Andrade throughout shows that he can do it for 12 rounds. There were hardly any breaks in that match, hardly any clinches at all. Stamina will not decide the outcome of this bout, imo.

[WhataRock]

To much talent:think
I’ve said it before. Kessler will not engage in a street fight – like the way Joe often likes to fight – wild swinging with closed eyes.:fight Watch the clip (e.g. around 2:00). If that’s the way JCs plans to take on Kessler – then I’ll just say that it soon will be bedtime for good old swinging, slapping Joe. :yep

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I think that post is a contradiction. You give my to much talent comment comment the little scpetical smiley but go on to talk about Joe's style and technique.

If Joe is anything its talent. The reason he slaps and fights so unorthodox is because he doesnt have all that much true skill like Kessler but the way he fights works for him, and has worked 43 times without so much as a close fight.

Of course he wont fight the same, different fighters, different game plan.

[WhataRock]

Actually Kessler landed 50% of his punches, while Andrade landed 10%.

Maybe he doesn't have JCs stamina, but keeping such a pace he did against Andrade throughout shows that he can do it for 12 rounds. There were hardly any breaks in that match, hardly any clinches at all. Stamina will not decide the outcome of this bout, imo.

I read 40% but either way pretty impressive.

[DanePugilist]

I think your other avatar was more fun and reflected your personality on this forum better - it was a bit more annoying to look at. :smooch

Are you by the way David Bloch - his writings on ESB seems to resemble your views on the fight...Yes, he is David Bloch.

[Jens S]

Kessler with something like 117-111. Calzaghe is dangerous, but I have it 65-35 for Kessler.

Jens

[WhataRock]

Yes, he is David Bloch.

Wow that guy actually writes.

Does he get paid??

He aint a complete dumbass but some of his justifications and reasonings are so stupid they're comical.
Wouldnt pick him for a journalist.

[ChuckYoungblood]

Wow that guy actually writes.

Does he get paid??

He aint a complete dumbass but some of his justifications and reasonings are so stupid they're comical.
Wouldnt pick him for a journalist.

A lot of writers like to play with an anonymous internet alias to get reactions out of people. I just figure that's the case with Blocky. But his reasoning is pretty good if you take away the insults - but he sure doesn't like my boy, Kessler:lol::lol:

[PeterNielsen70]

I think that post is a contradiction. You give my to much talent comment comment the little scpetical smiley but go on to talk about Joe's style and technique.

If Joe is anything its talent. The reason he slaps and fights so unorthodox is because he doesnt have all that much true skill like Kessler but the way he fights works for him, and has worked 43 times without so much as a close fight.

Of course he wont fight the same, different fighters, different game plan.

It’s exactly my point. I’m not questioning JC’s handspeed, workrate, ability to through hooks and uppercut from odd angels and so fourth. I’m just saying that Kessler is the man (if one) who has the abilities to cope with these skills – because Kessler has an extremely good timing and balance together with a fierce left jab. The JC’s fans will now laugh and say that JC has dealt with opponents with these skills. We’ll see about that. Timing is the issue in this fight. Kessler by late KO or by UD. (117-112)*3

[DanePugilist]

Wow that guy actually writes.

Does he get paid??

He aint a complete dumbass but some of his justifications and reasonings are so stupid they're comical.
Wouldnt pick him for a journalist.I don't think he is getting paid, but I am not in the know.

I think he could be a good writer, if he gained some objectivity, and stopped writing just to provoke reaction(I guess thats what it is).

[pecks]

Wouldnt pick him for a journalist.Anyone can be a journo these days...

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[DanePugilist]

I read 40% but either way pretty impressive.Maybe its halfway. Think it was 39% of the jabs landing, and 49% of the powerpunches.

[Laydown]

Anyone can be a journo these days...

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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :good

[pioterbezkitu]

Kessler UD, Calfaggy gonna be rocked few times in the fight

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Jens

[DanePugilist]

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JensThanks Jens.. So 41% it was.

[*BOX_FAN*]

Joe by decision. Too fast hands, better technicaly and 60000 crowd of his fans. However I won't be surprised if Kessler wins by decision. But I really can't imagine how Kessler can KO Joe. But who knows :huh . We have to wait till 3rd November 2007 :bbb

[Jose FM]

Ive got Kessler by decision

[warrior85]

calzaghe 10th rnd ko

[PeterNielsen70]

JC has the same attributes, regarding timing and jabbing, and is a better counter puncher. There's no way he's KOing JC - just no way. you think Joe will be any less that his most careful and tightly defended against a dangerous opponent? He'll be on the same plateau as he was for Lacy - 100% concentration, top fitness, tight defence.

His movement is better than Kessler's, so Kessler won't be able to set up his 1-2 combos with any authority. However, the point still is - Kessler's jab's effectiveness will be greatly reduced by JC's southpaw stance and his speed at getting on the inside.

Kessler's not as strong as Lacy, so there's no chance of a KO from that side, and Kessler can't fight as well on the inside (I believe the term is ineffective) - so basically, kessler's chance is on keeping the fight at distance. Which won't work because JC's faster and can use angles to get his openings.

I see a tought fight, with Joe working as hard as he did against Lacy, and a clear UD for Joe.

If Joe expose himself as show in these clips (like around 2:00), then I think Kessler will have the opportunity to get a KO victory. People keep saying that JC is faster – yes slightly on the hands, but not on the feet! Being fast on your feet in boxing implies that you also is in perfect balance. It’s not anything like a 100 meter dash race.

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[Faetter_BR]

He gassed against Mundine and Andrade - the two fighters that kept him fighting at a relatively high workrate.

As for guys thinking Kessler's jab is going to be a factor in this fight, FUCKING GROW A BRAIN.

If Kessler hasn't been working on getting the sharpest, smoothest straight right lead before this fight, he should shoot his trainers. The jab won't do shit in this one

He gassed out versus Mundine because he had been injured prior to the fight - he hadn't done any roadwork for six weeks and only 30 rounds of light sparring- compared to the 120-150 he normally does.

He didn't gas out versus Andrade - He went on a full scale attack in the final round because he had so much energy left - And just to compare - Calzaghe looked much more tired at the end of the Reid-fight than Kessler did versus Andrade - so I guess Calzaghe has a stamina-problem.

Also funny how a fighter with stamina-problems only lost a few rounds his whole career...

As for Kessler's training - he'll be working on speed - hand and foot - according to himself.

[Decebal]

60% go for Kessler...60/40 in favour of Kessler sounds about right!:yep

[China_hand_Joe]

My prediction: Calzaghe beats Kessler to the jab.

[BennitheHill]

but hey, continue to delude yourselves.



We will. Now f*ck off...

[BennitheHill]

You fuck off, and while you're at it - give your lover boy in the avatar a good ole cock sucking.

I will. Now fuck off. :hi:

[China_hand_Joe]

Hopefully someone will be there with a camera on the Dannish fans' faces as the events unfold.

[stake501]

WOW...Kessler taking all the early money at the moment

I still go with Calzaghe... after the Lacy beatdown, how can you back against him.

Before the Lacy fight, not a lot of people would have said Kessler was a better opponent than Lacy.

[DanePugilist]

WOW...Kessler taking all the early money at the moment

I still go with Calzaghe... after the Lacy beatdown, how can you back against him.

Before the Lacy fight, not a lot of people would have said Kessler was a better opponent than Lacy.Because alot of people dont know boxing?

[PeterNielsen70]

My prediction - Calzaghe won't bother too much with the jab, will nullify Kessler's jab by circling towards Kessler's right hand and keeping his lead right high to catch the jab.

Calzaghe will slip that beautiful lead left hand in more than he'll bother throwing his right hand jab


I'm really impresed with JC's ability to "circle" as shown in these clips
(e.g. around 2:00...):D Throwning circles with the elboes I mean.:yep

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And just for your Blocky, here is a sumup of the fight from yesterday:
A rusty scream filled the Millinium
Sounded like a hurting stallion
I’m a swinger
I’m a slapper
I’m an ancient for that matter
But the Viking felt no remorse
Landed a left jab like a horse

[ThePlugInBabies]

sorry i didn't realise this was the calzaghe-kessler predictions thread, sounds more like prime roy jones jr-peter manfredo.

calzaghe becoming hilariously underrated round these parts again, i wonder how many of the danish boys will show their faces again on here after calzaghe has boxed rings round kessler?

[PeterNielsen70]

Good god, you and this fucking video...

Look - this one clip does NOT in anyway constitue an argument.

If I was to say: Joe's easy to knockdown, and kept showing a clip of Mitchell putting him on the deck, then all that actually proves is that Mitchell knocked him down once. If you presented a clip from half of Joe's fights with that happening, you would have an argument.

You have one clip.

That is not an argument. You are a moron.

JC will NOT come in swinging wide, telegraphed punches. He will fight the way he did against Lacy - sharp, fast and using angles to throw straight shots. he will not leave openings.

So, in conclusion: your argument's bogus, you have no evidence besides ONE YouTube clip, you can't make a point on the basis of one piece of evidence. hence, you are a moron.

Regards...

Whenever you throw a punch you ”leave an opening”, just for the record. The punch that “protects” you the most is, however, a fast straight jab, as you can be at the longest distance away from your opponent. Not rocket science. And of course will JC have to leave openings – that is if he will try to win the fight of course, coming forward. JC is a warrior and his whole style is based on getting inside hooking and upper cutting. Kessler will then counter big time. I can’t see JC winning the fight from the distance (only Blocky can see that I think).

[deram]

I decline to vote ... as I don't know - yet at least.

[BigReg]

Kessler by SD

[Decebal]

I decline to vote ... as I don't know - yet at least.

:rofl

[deram]

JC's pretty good at a variety of things. he's got a good, strong jab. he used it continuously against Lacy and, when he finally started thinking, against Bika to control the fight. he used distance very well.

He won't win from a distance though, because he'd be fighting on even terms with Kessler. He'll go inside, which as Kessler can't work so well there, he'll have the ability to land uppercuts and hooks to the body.

Even a jab leaves you open - no defence to the body, limited defence to the head. JC has better hand speed, so he can reduce Kessler's effectiveness with 1-2 combos, because he won't be able to set up the right so confidently.

From the fights I've watched with Kessler: he likes space, if he doesn't have it, his punches don't come so well. If JC's flurrying, Kessler won't be able to get his shots off as clearly.

He's not all-rounded and, considering he's poor at inside work, which JC is accomplished at, and is best at range, whcih JC is also good at, he seems to be quite susceptible to any of JC's tactics.

All of what you say here ... could be true. I definitely agree with most of the tactics you think Joe should and will use.

However, many of the same things could have been said about Duran-Hearns. Hearns is not a good inside fighter and Duran is one of the toughest and since he is stronger than Hearns, Hearns will not be able to keep Duran on the outside...

Now not all is the same of course. Joe uses different tools to get on the inside than did Duran - and that may be a crucial difference.

The point is that it is easy to plan something, but sometimes reality turns out totally different.

[Boro chris]

Jc Ud.

[Spitfire7]

Very hard to predict when you've got 2 of your faves fighting...

I think stamina, consistency, and the jab would be the key here. In this case, I have to go with the Dane by either SD or UD in a close, even controversial dec.

[TomaTos]

As you can see, Kessler is the clear favorite: 41 to 31, it is close call but he must be the favorite :deal !

[TomaTos]

he lost rd 12 i thought.

1 of only 3 rds i had him losing in the entire fight.

he lost some later rds against andrade as well.

calzaghe can set a crazy pace.

can kessler last out. :huh

hence the reason it's a valid criticism.

WHAT ?

Kessler and Mundine both finish strong !

HE LOST SOME LATER RDS AGAINST ANDRADE AS WELL ? WHAT ? HE DESTROYED THIS IRON PUNCHING BAG FROM BEGINNING TO END, WINNING EVERY SECOND OF THE FIGHT, UR A FUCKING CLOWN :deal !

EVERYBODY IN THE AREA + ALL JUDGE + EVERYBODY HERE HAD IT A COMPLETE DESTROYING SHUTOUT @!

[JAMM]

Calzaghe late stoppage / majority decision.

[MancMexican]

There is nothing in either fighters resume to suggest a stoppage except both guys have high KO percents. Calzaghe has tasted the canvas only a few times and has never been truly hurt and neither has Kessler. Calzaghe desicion.

[Smazz20]

Calzaghe UD. Just my opinion.

[Martini643]

Calzaghe will box circles around kessler


Calzaghe UD

[ChuckYoungblood]

This fight is really hard to predict, but eventhough Calzaghe has homeground advantage, my money is on Kessler UD.

[David UK]

Calzaghe close but UD around the 115-113 mark

[PrideOfWales]

Calzaghe close but UD around the 115-113 mark

It'll only be that close if Joe breaks a hand.

[MancMexican]

Are there any Danes out there who predict a Calzaghe win and are there any Brits out there who predict a Kessler win?

[China_hand_Joe]

Are there any Danes out there who predict a Calzaghe win and are there any Brits out there who predict a Kessler win?I predict a Kessler win.

[Rollo]

Are there any Danes out there who predict a Calzaghe win and are there any Brits out there who predict a Kessler win?


I know a couple of danes who predicts a Calzaghe win - they are not posters here though.

[DanePugilist]

I predict a Kessler win.For some reason I find this hard to believe, mate. Has lack of sleep gotten to you?

[China_hand_Joe]

For some reason I find this hard to believe, mate. Has lack of sleep gotten to you?No but I need to see the Mundine fight in full to cement that prediction.

[DanePugilist]

No but I need to see the Mundine fight in full to cement that prediction.:good

[deram]

LOL, China of course thinks Joe will win - but the way for Joe to get maximum credit is if more people think Kessler will win - so China thinks that. ;-)

Tomatos, Decebal, Pecks, Maxime and many many others are not Danish. In fact the majority that voted for Kessler are NOT Danish. Don't know what to conclude from that though.

[PrideOfWales]

LOL, China of course thinks Joe will win - but the way for Joe to get maximum credit is if more people think Kessler will win - so China thinks that. ;-)

Tomatos, Decebal, Pecks, Maxime and many many others are not Danish. In fact the majority that voted for Kessler are NOT Danish. Don't know what to conclude from that though.

You would have to give the slight edge to Kessler in all seriousness

[Rollo]

LOL, China of course thinks Joe will win - but the way for Joe to get maximum credit is if more people think Kessler will win - so China thinks that. ;-)

Tomatos, Decebal, Pecks, Maxime and many many others are not Danish. In fact the majority that voted for Kessler are NOT Danish. Don't know what to conclude from that though.


I think you can conclude that, at least some of, the americans wants to see a beat up Calzaghe.

[Ted Stickles]

Calzaghe by Decision

[China_hand_Joe]

You would have to give the slight edge to Kessler in all seriousnessAs a bookie you make Kessler a very, very slight favorite.

[PrideOfWales]

As a bookie you make Kessler a very, very slight favorite.

Calzaghe evens
Kessler 5/6 on

Anyone agree?

[China_hand_Joe]

The fact that the odds are so close, even in Britain (Calzaghe being a legend and the name fighter) indicate Kessler is likely to win.

If the odds are even, bet on the lesser name (especially when against a loud mouth). You could make a living following that rule.

[Smith]

Calzaghe by very very close UD

[Laydown]

Calzaghe evens
Kessler 5/6 on

Anyone agree?

Nope
more like Kessler 6/5
and Calzaghe 5/8

[Team_Calzaghe]

Calzaghe by late KO. Hes got way too much in the tank, and hes too experienced and too quick to fall for Kesslers telegraphed straight right. Hes going to be pretty far ahead on the cards as Kessler gasses late and gets stopped.



Spot on Sai!!!!

Kessler is a great fighter but he has never gone against anyone anywhere near as fast, tactical and powerful as Joe Calzaghe.

Kessler has a few things going for him, his long accurate right being his greatest asset but in reality he may as well send Joe a postcard by the time it arrives.

I really don't rate Kessler as puncher either, if he can't KO Mundine or flaw Andrade with all those clear cut punches he landed on Andrades chin I'm of the opinion Kessler is only good at chinning out bums.

Regards,


John
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[PrideOfWales]

Spot on Sai!!!!

Kessler is a great fighter but he has never gone against anyone anywhere near as fast, tactical and powerful as Joe Calzaghe.

Kessler has a few things going for him, his long accurate right being his greatest asset but in reality he may as well send Joe a postcard by the time it arrives.

I really don't rate Kessler as puncher either, if he can't KO Mundine or flaw Andrade with all those clear cut punches he landed on Andrades chin I'm of the opinion Kessler is only good at chinning out bums.

Regards,


John
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Please go away John... you are embarrasing.

[DanePugilist]

Too bad so few has been able to receive the postcard so far. Would be funny if we see, JC get beaten by his own game; death by accumulation.

[Minotauro]

Calzaghe via UD his speed and experience will make the difference.

[van the man]

Spot on Sai!!!!

Kessler is a great fighter but he has never gone against anyone anywhere near as fast, tactical and powerful as Joe Calzaghe.

Kessler has a few things going for him, his long accurate right being his greatest asset but in reality he may as well send Joe a postcard by the time it arrives.

I really don't rate Kessler as puncher either, if he can't KO Mundine or flaw Andrade with all those clear cut punches he landed on Andrades chin I'm of the opinion Kessler is only good at chinning out bums.

Regards,


John
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so in other words u would say jc would ko both librado "the conrete head" andrade and anthony mundine?

[WhataRock]

Im really suprised that so many people are picking Kessler via stoppage.

He aint that big a puncher, for nearly 3 times as many people to pick Kessler to stop Joe over Joe to stop Kess is a bit weird.

This is going the rounds, neither is a huge puncher, they both are sound defensively and both are elite enough to survive to the final bell.

[van the man]

Im really suprised that so many people are picking Kessler via stoppage.

He aint that big a puncher, for nearly 3 times as many people to pick Kessler to stop Joe over Joe to stop Kess is a bit weird.

This is going the rounds, neither is a huge puncher, they both are sound defensively and both are elite enough to survive to the final bell.

i would say u are right on that m8

[PeterNielsen70]

Im really suprised that so many people are picking Kessler via stoppage.

He aint that big a puncher, for nearly 3 times as many people to pick Kessler to stop Joe over Joe to stop Kess is a bit weird.

This is going the rounds, neither is a huge puncher, they both are sound defensively and both are elite enough to survive to the final bell.

Many people have argued in some way or the other that it will by a UD win by Joe due to his accumulation. I think the story can turn out to be quite the opposite.

With a full Cardiff Millennium JCs will begin the fight in a fierce tempo, I think – trying to catch a nervous Kessler on the wrong foot. That could be a sound game plan for JC, provided he can avoid being countered in the first 2 rounds or so? Kessler will not be totally ice-cold hearing the crowd yelling JC forward. And JC will be lifted up. Kessler is also known as being very nervous before important fights.

After that being said – I think that Kessler will course an upset. Joes skills, hand speed, work rate etc. will simply not be enough to dominate Kessler as the fight progress. Joe will not possess enough power in his combos to really shake an awakening Kessler. And by round 3 and fourth Kessler will dominate. If not by his fierce left jab (adored and feared by all the JC’s fans:bowdown :scaredas: ) then by straight rights (and a couple of hooks now and then). Joe will by countered trying to get in on Kessler, forcing Joe to fight from the distance for the rest of the fight. Eventually Kessler will break down Jos defence or at least secure a comfortable victory by the scorecards.

By the way, Sakio Bika told the Danish media after being Kessler’s sparring partner up to the Andrade fight, that he didn’t think JC would stand a chance against Kessler. Apropos Kessler’s countering abilities – try and look at the Beyer fight. The first second Beyer took a slight opportunity in that match, was when he decided to put out a right jab at the end of round 3 – and what happened next? With Andrade the story was slightly different. Andrade tried coming forward a lot – but he was countered again and again. Kessler landing around 40-50 pct. of his shots. The same destiny will face Joe – despite of Joes obvious qualities. Kessler’s timing will beat Joes power and work rate. But a lot of boxing experts can’t believe/see this. E.g. the two guys on Youtube calling themselves Boxing4real. They watch almost every fight around and present us with fully sound analysis. But even experts can be wrong.:yep

A harsh judgement, belove:
1. Kessler by UD (117-112)*3 or in the range 40%
2. Kessler by late stoppage (say round 10-11) 40%
3. Joe by early stoppage (round 2) 20%
4. Joe on decision no pct. left over, sorry?

:bbb :bbb :bbb

[Decebal]

:shock:50/50 after 104 votes!

[Pimp C]

Calzaghe by UD:deal

[C7LBT]

Calzaghe wide UD

[ThePlugInBabies]

Joes skills, hand speed, work rate etc. will simply not be enough to dominate Kessler as the fight progress.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

this sentence is hilarious, what does he need then? a couple of bricks in both gloves? a sledge hammer? you make out as if kessler is some sort of superman.

[PrideOfWales]

this sentence is hilarious, what does he need then? a couple of bricks in both gloves? a sledge hammer? you make out as if kessler is some sort of superman.

Is that so ridiculous? Kessler has barely lost a round of professional boxing!

[PeterNielsen70]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

this sentence is hilarious, what does he need then? a couple of bricks in both gloves? a sledge hammer? you make out as if kessler is some sort of superman.

He is in fact a sort of superman - and his talent will glowe that night in November;) :smoke

[C Money]

Calzaghe by decision. I believe that JC has the more complete skill set and better experience which will allow him to steal enough close rounds to pull the W.

[dwilson]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm starting to enjoy this clown's comments again, I think it's because he removed the shitty avatar.:think

I'd say it was a more gay avatar than shitty.



Jc late stoppage.

[PeterNielsen70]

1) Come on: this bollocks with the jab. Joe is a southpaw, which means the jab is less effective. Kessler works off the jab to throw his rights, so unless he changes to throwing lead rights this won't be a factor. No-one has been able to stop Joe getting on the inside before, so why should Kessler with his jab.

2) Who gives a pish what Bika says? It's not like he's an elite opponent, nor an expert on boxing (as is clear from his style). He's a dirty fighting, but tough opponent. He has only fought Kessler in sparring, which is a million miles apart. Kessler will be relaxed in sparring - Joe was wanting to show off against Bika. he still beat him easily though.

3) you percentages are imaginary and with no basis on analysis or fact. Kessler won't win by KO. He could get it on points, but I think Joe will be flashier and sharper than Kessler - meaning he'll score points quicker. Add in Joe's more varied punch output and mastery of unusual angles and it's unlikely that Kessler will be able to counter with his usual zeal.

1) I know Joe is a southpaw, and that the repeated argument from the JC camp had been, that a left jab therefore isn’t such an effective weapon. It isn’t true. The left jab can, in that respect, be quite effective if it’s not thrown directly from a 180 degree angle. Meaning that you’ll just have to side step a little before throwing it. Of course it will be a good idea also leaning on a lot of straight right hands when facing a southpaw. But I don’t see any problems regarding Kessler’s ability in throwing right hands.:yep

Actually, there has been produced a perfect instruction video on Youtube on how to pursue exactly this strategy. :hey

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[China_hand_Joe]

Nobody has ever landed a clean jab on Joe Calzaghe throughout his entire career. Not a single one.

[dumdane]

:shock:50/50 after 104 votes!

I had no idea we were 52 danish posters on this site :lol:

[Rollo]

Nobody has ever landed a clean jab on Joe Calzaghe throughout his entire career. Not a single one.


Kessler is no ordinary jabber.

[China_hand_Joe]

Kessler is no ordinary jabber.Not one single jab...if Kessler is the greatest jabber of all time then might land like 3 jabs over the 12 rounds.

[Box-on]

Calzaghe will step it up for this one and take it by UD.

[PeterNielsen70]

Nobody has ever landed a clean jab on Joe Calzaghe throughout his entire career. Not a single one.

Then he’ll be an experience (or 50) richer when facing Kessler. :thumbsup

[Rollo]

Then he’ll be an experience (or 50) richer when facing Kessler. :thumbsup



It would rather be 300!

[nickthegreek]

Calzaghe UD 116 - 112 :happy

[ThePlugInBabies]

[quote]


and you are taking a piss on others while producing such bulshit yourself..

that is just plain laughable..

he posted a video of how to use the jab against a southpaw.. nothing more nothing less..

uhhh..it's fairly well known that calzaghe has a huge macho streak in him, when he gets tagged by a big punch he will always reply in kind with vicious combinations, he's always been like this, it's far from bullshit.

[Faetter_BR]

[quote=greatdane]

uhhh..it's fairly well known that calzaghe has a huge macho streak in him, when he gets tagged by a big punch he will always reply in kind with vicious combinations, he's always been like this, it's far from bullshit.

but it's bullshit that it would be bad for Kessler to knock Calzaghe down - what should he do? - take it easy on Calzaghe to avoid knocking him down?

If Kessler knocks Calzaghe down it will be a advantage for Kessler - no doubt. Kessler isn't one to attack head over heals as Mitchell did - Kessler will take it easy and look for the opening - if Calzaghe comes swinging Kessler will counter.

Calzaghe might very well win this one - but no way in hell it's going to be a disadvantage for Kessler to knock him down!

Calzaghe blew out Mitchell - and looked impressive doing so - but versus Salem he didn't. Calzaghe has got a great heart - no doubt, but I'm sure he'll be able to box his best without being knocked down first - if what Flux says is correct, then Calzaghe should go out and let Kessler knock him down a few times...

[PeterNielsen70]

Well, it's good to know Mikkel where have somewhere to go for advice...

Look, Kessler has never shown a mastery of angles so far in his career. maybe it's because he's never needed to, but still.

You think someone with the tactical acumen of Joe won't be ready for as simple a technique as: step to the left and throw a jab?

Come on...

His jab will NOT be as effecftive, Kessler will need to work harder to get it off. joe's an excellent counter-puncher as well, and his speed and footwork will make if difficult for Kessler's jabs to land flush. Much as Joe has done through his career...

But wait, Kessler is the best jabber ever (better than Larry Holmes even), so Joe will nto have ANY answer for Kessler whatsoever, despite having displayed his ability to adapt to multiple fighting styles.

The worst thing Kessler could do would be to knock Joe down, then the macho streak comes out and Kessler will get battered silly for deigning to get in the ring with him.

The left jab proof.:yep

When an orthodox fighter throws a straight right hand the arm will have to go a longer distance, even if you rotate your upper body to some degree when delivering the punch. Rotating your body facing your opponent further gives him the opportunity to hit a larger surface. (Especially when you have powerful wide body as the Viking). When your left shoulder is facing your opponent a straight left jab will always be the best weapon, regardless whether your opponent is a southpaw, standing on one foot, is eating a hotdog or doing other unorthodox stuff to impress. Q.E.D. :smoke :smoke :smoke

[ThePlugInBabies]

[quote=ThePlugInBabies]

its bullshit.. joe needs to get knocked down, then he will be really angry and really macho.. then kessler will be in serious trouble..

if such childish logic is used, then i am inclined to ask, why doesnt joe just go crazy when the bell rings.. this is pro boxing, not the incredible hulk cartoon world..

i was talking more about when calzaghe gets tagged hard but doesn't go down, that's when he is at his most dangerous and that macho streak kicks in and he goes into manic mode.

[China_hand_Joe]

That is when Joe is at his most dangerous against chinny fighters. Against Bika being macho didn't help.