View Full Version : The only fighter with a chance at beating Mayweather at Welter
G_RapPBF
02-16-2008, 08:41 AM
Is Sugar Shane Mosley. He's the only fighter that commands enough speed, pressure and DUN DUN DUN defense to beat Floyd. As shown in his fight against Cotto, while Cotto hoped on his bike the last 4 rounds or so, Mosley was still able to apply effective pressure, so much so that the fight was seriously in doubt until it went to teh score cards for Cotto. Cotto simply is not fast enough to apply the amount of pressure it would take to beat Floyd, Floyd would pick him off constantly, and with Cotto's weak chin it might end up in a KO in the later rounds. Mosley on the other hand has a pretty strong chin, and good reflexes to dodge whatever Mayweather throws unlike Cotto who would just be a sitting duck to a much faster and talented fighter. If Floyd haters wanna see someone beat Floyd, Mosley is the way to go, not Cotto or anyone else in the Welter division.
196osh
02-16-2008, 08:46 AM
Mosley is not anywhere near as fast as he once was, therefore now i doubt he would beat Floyd. Cotto has the best chance to beat Floyd, his chin is not as weak at WW Shane hits pretty hard and never realy hurt him.
Also it was the last two rounds Cotto "was on his bike" not 4. :good
Any of the WW champions would mean more than a rematch with Oscar.
Nalian
02-16-2008, 08:59 AM
In a rematch im almost certain that Mosley would beat Cotto.
Mosley fought stupid in the first fight and if he had actually boxed Cotto rather than fighting him like he did it would have gone Mosley's way.
I had it scored for Mosley anyway, but yeah it was tight.
196osh
02-16-2008, 09:06 AM
Mosley fought stupid in the first fight and if he had actually boxed Cotto rather than fighting him like he did it would have gone Mosley's way.
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Cotto got the better of the boxing exchanges I thought, based on his good jab.
Zaryu
02-16-2008, 09:07 AM
if u think Cotto is just not fast enough to get to Floyd, but then we consider how frequently Cotto got to Mosley, donth u think Floyd would hit mosley even easier, and then add the wizardlike defence of Floyd in the Shane fight... i dont think Mosley is the best way to go. Floyd should fight Cotto, if he were to beat him and then retire, i dont think rational people would be complaining.
ApatheticLeader
02-16-2008, 09:07 AM
Mosley is not anywhere near as fast as he once was, therefore now i doubt he would beat Floyd. Cotto has the best chance to beat Floyd, his chin is not as weak at WW Shane hits pretty hard and never realy hurt him.
Also it was the last two rounds Cotto "was on his bike" not 4. :good
Any of the WW champions would mean more than a rematch with Oscar.
As would Margarito or Williams still. PBF's inability to fight any of the big guns at 147 is pissing me off.
richie leon
02-16-2008, 09:09 AM
I'm a fan of Mosley, but i think Mayweather's style is awful for him. Mosley is by no means a pessure fighter IMO. When he has to chase a guy down-and you know he'll have against PBF-he always looks ponderous, hesitant and confused to me. Plus, even in his prime he was susceptible to counterpunching, and there's hardly a better counterpuncher in the game right now than Floyd.
Mosley to me is guy who can outbox the fighters, but to my eyes has always had much more trouble outfighting the boxers.
G_RapPBF
02-16-2008, 09:10 AM
In a rematch im almost certain that Mosley would beat Cotto.
Mosley fought stupid in the first fight and if he had actually boxed Cotto rather than fighting him like he did it would have gone Mosley's way.
I had it scored for Mosley anyway, but yeah it was tight.
3 years ago Mosley wins that fight going away easy. Cotto won the fight but barely.
G_RapPBF
02-16-2008, 09:13 AM
if u think Cotto is just not fast enough to get to Floyd, but then we consider how frequently Cotto got to Mosley, donth u think Floyd would hit mosley even easier, and then add the wizardlike defence of Floyd in the Shane fight... i dont think Mosley is the best way to go. Floyd should fight Cotto, if he were to beat him and then retire, i dont think rational people would be complaining.
Cotto boxed with Mosley, he fought off the back foot most of the time. The only reason he got to Mosley was win Mosley threw a punch, he would catch him in the exchange. Mosley is a step slower and it showed. Mosley was the pressure fighter in this instance, but Cotto never really hurt Mosley and the damage was clearly in Mosleys favor. Mayweather wouldnt have trouble boxing with Cotto, and Cotto isnt fast enough to apply the type of pressure that would make Floyd uncomfortable. Mosley however can match Floyds speed, he's still slower, and he can also apply the pressure. Cotto clearly lacks good defensive ability, and he wont be able to handle a counterpuncher like Floyd when he resorted to counterpunching himself to beat Mosley.
G_RapPBF
02-16-2008, 09:14 AM
As would Margarito or Williams still. PBF's inability to fight any of the big guns at 147 is pissing me off.
Floyd would destroy Williams. Quitana destroyed Williams with counterpunching and beating williams to the point of attack, a much faster Mayweather would pick Williams apart. Margarito is just simply overrated. Hatton 2.0
ApatheticLeader
02-16-2008, 09:17 AM
Floyd would destroy Williams. Quitana destroyed Williams with counterpunching and beating williams to the point of attack, a much faster Mayweather would pick Williams apart. Margarito is just simply overrated. Hatton 2.0
A genuine 147 version of Hatton - which would make him pretty fucking dangerous actually. You know, if that were true. Which it isn't.
196osh
02-16-2008, 09:17 AM
Floyd would destroy Williams. Quitana destroyed Williams with counterpunching and beating williams to the point of attack, a much faster Mayweather would pick Williams apart. Margarito is just simply overrated. Hatton 2.0
Floyd has still to prove he can beat any of todays top welters, I dont doubt he could. But he has already proven that he can beat Oscar so that is why those fights are more meaningful.
Is Sugar Shane Mosley. He's the only fighter that commands enough speed, pressure and DUN DUN DUN defense to beat Floyd. As shown in his fight against Cotto, while Cotto hoped on his bike the last 4 rounds or so, Mosley was still able to apply effective pressure, so much so that the fight was seriously in doubt until it went to teh score cards for Cotto. Cotto simply is not fast enough to apply the amount of pressure it would take to beat Floyd, Floyd would pick him off constantly, and with Cotto's weak chin it might end up in a KO in the later rounds. Mosley on the other hand has a pretty strong chin, and good reflexes to dodge whatever Mayweather throws unlike Cotto who would just be a sitting duck to a much faster and talented fighter. If Floyd haters wanna see someone beat Floyd, Mosley is the way to go, not Cotto or anyone else in the Welter division.
no way hes too old
Zaryu
02-16-2008, 09:22 AM
Cotto boxed with Mosley, he fought off the back foot most of the time. The only reason he got to Mosley was win Mosley threw a punch, he would catch him in the exchange. Mosley is a step slower and it showed. Mosley was the pressure fighter in this instance, but Cotto never really hurt Mosley and the damage was clearly in Mosleys favor. Mayweather wouldnt have trouble boxing with Cotto, and Cotto isnt fast enough to apply the type of pressure that would make Floyd uncomfortable. Mosley however can match Floyds speed, he's still slower, and he can also apply the pressure. Cotto clearly lacks good defensive ability, and he wont be able to handle a counterpuncher like Floyd when he resorted to counterpunching himself to beat Mosley. We can agree and disagree and i still respect ur opinion, but because i dont want to make this a repetitive thing i'll just say that Cotto won the Mosley fight because he was the better fighter that night, and Floyd should fight the second best welterweight right now, who is Cotto, but Mosley is still in the mix, and in the least he is the second biggest threat to Floyd.
RealIzm
02-16-2008, 09:22 AM
I've said for a while that I think Shane can beat Mayweather but he's not the only one as I give Cotto an even better chance
PH|LLA
02-16-2008, 09:22 AM
cotto clearly won that fight for anyone who knows how to score
nighthunter
02-16-2008, 10:27 PM
Mosley is not the same as he was before he will fall to hands of PBF for sure
its not ideal match up coz floyd is too fast for him and that could be a big factor...
Ricky369
02-16-2008, 11:14 PM
Hello: Here goes my opinion. Cotto not only defeated Mosley easily but he also took the time to make an statement. He can box. He beat Mosley at his own game. How did he do it?? It's call timing. You don't have to be faster if you have better timing. LEts remember it was a unanimous desicion against a man who defeated De la Hoya TWICE. PBF victory against Oscar was a split one. Of course Mosley is not at his pick. But De la Hoya either. PBF has had priviledges that no other boxer ever had. Picking his opponents at convenience. How can you explain Hatton becoming Floyd's MANDATORY challenger?????? Hatton only had 1 fight on 147lbs and almost lost against Collazo. Somebody explain me how was that possible.
Williams will go far. But didn't have the experience needed to deal with a difficult fighter like Quintana. He didn't know what to do. Plus, he doesn't look comfortable at that weight anymore. Remind me of Cotto during his last 2 fights at 140lbs.
Margarito is an overrated fighter. No more to say about him.
Sweet Pea
02-16-2008, 11:16 PM
Is Sugar Shane Mosley. He's the only fighter that commands enough speed, pressure and DUN DUN DUN defense to beat Floyd. As shown in his fight against Cotto, while Cotto hoped on his bike the last 4 rounds or so, Mosley was still able to apply effective pressure, so much so that the fight was seriously in doubt until it went to teh score cards for Cotto. Cotto simply is not fast enough to apply the amount of pressure it would take to beat Floyd, Floyd would pick him off constantly, and with Cotto's weak chin it might end up in a KO in the later rounds. Mosley on the other hand has a pretty strong chin, and good reflexes to dodge whatever Mayweather throws unlike Cotto who would just be a sitting duck to a much faster and talented fighter. If Floyd haters wanna see someone beat Floyd, Mosley is the way to go, not Cotto or anyone else in the Welter division.
Mosley would get thoroughly outboxed. His speed is gone, he is not an effective pressure fighter(coming forward and getting tagged is not effective), his workrate and tenacity are gone, and when the hell did he ever have good defense?
Floyd would handily beat Shane, but I guess being a Floyd fan, you'd rather see him fight a fading old man than a prime contender who has a style much better suited to beat him.
cpnasty
02-16-2008, 11:20 PM
Mosley would give Floyd problems but Floyd would win
Sister Sledge
02-16-2008, 11:25 PM
Mosely was easy to hit when he was in his prime and never was a good ring strategest. He always relied on his natural abilities to win fights. Sometimes that doesn't work. Sometimes you run into a guy who can nullify your speed and you need a little bit more to win. Mosely had his Forrest just like RJJ had his Tarver. That being said, Floyd is too smart to lose to Mosely. Shane is too easy to hit, and that would win PBF the fight.
Ricky369
02-16-2008, 11:34 PM
Enough with Mosley. The champs at 147 are PBF, Cotto, Cintron and Quintana. Cotto has been a champion longer than the other two. If he has a chance or not, we have to see it in the ring. Why was Hatton a mandatory and Cotto hasn't????? Isn't a championship worth anything anymore???
sambob
02-17-2008, 12:09 AM
I can't believe how stupid this thread is. The Cotto-Mosley fight was ridiculously close, END OF STORY. Nobody 'easily' beat the other fight. In your mind one of them might have 'clearly won', but if nothing else, they landed the EXACT same number of punches, and Mosley landed more power shots so don't even try to say Mosley easily won, or Cotto easily won.
Another thing, a couple of people have said "The Mosley from 3-4 years ago would have beat Cotto".
Well how can you say that? 3 years from the fight, Mosley was wasting his time at 154 where he was just not his usual self. Personally I think Mosley wasted all those years at 154, when he could have instead been doing well at 147. Mosley's career would seem much more impressive if after he took the DLH fight (which is the whole reason why he moved up to 147 instead of 140) he stayed at 140 and dominated there first, which he could have since his skills were at their peak!
Mosley is NOT really a boxer. He is a puncher who just HAPPENS to have decent hand speed. And these days his REAL handspeed is not even that good. He flicks out his jab really fast, and then when he feels like he can land it he follows it up with a right hand. Right now thats Mosley's game. He is not going to hit Floyd with a right hook, just not gonna happen.
And Mosley's defense? It was never all that great, he just had good reflexes. He should take a cue from Roy Jones and learn to PUT HIS DAMN HANDS UP. HE's very susceptible to straight right hands... which of course as you SHOULD know, is FLOYD's BEST PUNCH.
Mosley was a really good fighter, and very talented at his peak, but he's FAR from his peak, and could not beat Floyd.
Dirty Bastard
02-17-2008, 12:56 AM
cotto clearly won that fight for anyone who knows how to score
STFU.....
how were you scoring....by how loud the crowd went when someone landed a punch.....
IMO....it was a draw!!!!
But i think there were 1/2 dubious rounds which could have gone either way Mosley ran in to problems when he was brawling but still landed big shots and controlled the later rounds!!
I not sure of my opinion with the poster that said that Mosley has a better chance than Cotto because...maybe he does..........Mosley has the tools to do it..... It think cotto could be picked off for 12 rounds and would have to rely on power beating floyds defence and speed.
As for Mosley I dont know if he could really win...he would be able to give Floyd some serious nightmares, because of his speed, Power and applys pressure he puts on opponents....a plus is Mosley has a seriously good chin and would be hard to get him dishartened and/or stop the pressure..........he has A CHANCE but hes way past his best.....So Its hard to say
Kegsy
02-17-2008, 01:04 AM
Cotto is the only man IMO to have a chance against Floyd at Welter.
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