Miranda Rips Abraham!

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Edison Pantera Miranda has not had much to say about his former opponent Arthur Abraham in a long time. But in a recent interview he blasted him for not being a true champ. "Ever since I busted your jaw, you have fought nobody. But here you are bragging to the media about what solid opponents you’ve faced. Who are these guys? It is a joke that you never step it up like a true champion and fight a strong opponent..”

Abraham will be facing Elvin Ayala (18-2-1, 8 KO’s) for his next title defense in late March. Miranda had some choice words about this opponent as well. “I could only laugh when I saw his next hand picked opponent. Ayala is a guy that lost not once, but two times to David Banks, a guy that I sent through the ropes with one punch. To make matters worse he brings all these bums into his backyard – a place where the referee treats him like his own daughter. If he had any balls, he would fly his ass to America and fight m! e at a catch weight of 165. I’d destroy him!”

Miranda, who is well known to face any opponent anywhere, has his eyes set on Canadian Jean Pascal, the WBO 2nd ranked fighter in the world, for a possible June 7th showdown in Montreal. Miranda spoke highly of Pascal acknowledging that Pascal’s unblemished record is not an accident. “Edison Miranda is a real fighter. I fight the best available that have the courage to step in the ring with me. If I need to go to Montreal to fight Pascal, then I will. P! ascal will be my fourth undefeated opponent in my last seven fights. He is not only highly ranked but has an impressive record of 21-0 with a strong amateur background. I could sit back and accumulate easy wins like Abraham, but I choose to fight strong opponents. It’s not only my job as a boxer to do this, but it’s what the fans want to see. I look forward to putting on a show for the 20,000 Canadian fans projected to come to this fight.”

Miranda (30-2, 26 KO’s) is currently ranked 4th in the WBC, 6th in the WBA, 7th in the IBF and 10th in the WBO and seems to be feeling much healthier and stronger after recently moving up to super middleweight. He has his eyes on fighting the best in the division. “I want to fight the best at super middleweight just like I did at middleweight. If he is ever man enough to fight me, I want to fight Taylor. He’s been avoiding me for years now. This is not only a fight that I want but all the fans want as well. After that, I’d love to get a rematch with Pavlik and show him what I’ve got at 168 when I am healthy. I will not only be champ at this weight class, but a champ who fights the very best – just like the old days.”

[Kolya]

God, I can't wait for him to run into Kessler or Pavlik again.

[Tom_Tocca]

And Abraham is easy making more money with this fight than Miranda do with his next 4... :deal

[andyZOR]

Miranda is a bad-ass.

[KobeIsGod]

As Shannon Briggs would say, Miranda sent Abraham into the witness protection program for boxing :nut

[Tom_Tocca]

btw, Abraham gets payed about $1.4 mio for his next one...

[iceman]

And Abraham is easy making more money with this fight than Miranda do with his next 4... :deal

Come on Tom, as a fight fan are u happy with Abrahams opponents?

i get sick of Miranda mouthing all the time but everything he has said this time is true

[KobeIsGod]

Miranda's a cock. He has beaten exactly who?

Despite breaking Abraham's jaw, he couldn't stop fouling and ended up losing as well as being *********. He then fights Pavlik and is utterly thrashed.

Someone please tell me what the fuck the appeal is?

miranda may be a jerk or whatever but u have to give the man credit where credit is due. gibbs, green, and pavlik are all damn good punchers and live opponents. abraham needs to step it up bigtime to avoid that "paper" champ label

[Nemesis]

btw, Abraham gets payed about $1.4 mio for his next one...

Money isnt everything!

His standard of opposition since Miranda is shockingly poor even in this piss-weak division, he's barely fought a top 10 opponent

[Tom_Tocca]

Come on Tom, as a fight fan are u happy with Abrahams opponents?

i get sick of Miranda mouthing all the time but everything he has said this time is true

Na, certainly I am not happy with the match making - he could fight Soliman but I guess SE couldn't come to terms with him.

Just seems to be a stay-busy fight which shouldn'r risk a possible pay day with Pavlik...though, his next opponent will be the winner of Zuniga/Lorenzo (this one is likely to land on the undercard to AA-Ayala).

But to be honest, the middlweight isn't that deep - Pavlik, Wright, Abraham...the rest in a mile. Alot of prospects but no real good contenders...

[scott is cool]

I think Miranda has too much to say for himself normally, but what he says is correct. Except when he said he could beat Abraham. Abraham is a brilliant fighter, but fights people who are crap, although I think he would beat most middle-weights, except Pavlik, Kessler, Calzaghe, or possibly Taylor. BTW, I do know Calzaghe is now at light-heavy.

[andyZOR]

nvm edit

[Tom_Tocca]

Money isnt everything!

His standard of opposition since Miranda is shockingly poor even in this piss-weak division, he's barely fought a top 10 opponent

Gevor was ranked by all sactioning bodies (he was actually in the mandatory spot for the WBO/IBF belt).

Elcock was ranked 10th by "The Ring" when he fought Abraham.

[Carlos Primera]

btw, Abraham gets payed about $1.4 mio for his next one...
do you get to see or spend any of that green abraham makes? are you a boxing fan or abraham's accountant? since the miranda fight abraham has done nothing but fight easy fights for big money. miranda crude he may be at least has had the stones to seek the hard fights, that are worth something. i know who i respect more, that much is clear. i cant blame arthur though. it's better to sacrifice legacy and make money now then retire with your health intact, than go after establishing a legacy and retiring a broken man. thats a pretty good schtick he has going for him in germany.

[Tom_Tocca]

do you get to see or spend any of that green abraham makes? are you a boxing fan or abraham's accountant? since the miranda fight abraham has done nothing but fight easy fights for big money. miranda crude he may be at least has had the stones to seek the hard fights, that are woth something. i know who i respect more, that much is clear. i cant blame arthur though. it's better to sacrifice legacy and make money now then retire with your health intact, than go after establishing a legacy and retiring a broken man. thats a pretty good schtick he has going for him in germany.

No and no - but you answered your question in the latter...

[IntentionalButt]

As Shannon Briggs would say, Miranda sent Abraham into the witness protection program for boxing :nut

Shannon Briggs is about as quotable as he is relevant to the championship picture. :nut

[IntentionalButt]

I think I'm one of the few truly unbiased posters here, who likes both guys - who bear Miranda no grudge whatsoever for being the exciting slugger he is, but recognize that Abraham is a top talent. One of the few who do not think a rematch would be an unnecessary outrage, but also don't think it's crucial that one happen to correct some perceived wrong.

The middle of the road is a clear path.

[iceman]

Na, certainly I am not happy with the match making - he could fight Soliman but I guess SE couldn't come to terms with him.

Just seems to be a stay-busy fight which shouldn'r risk a possible pay day with Pavlik...though, his next opponent will be the winner of Zuniga/Lorenzo (this one is likely to land on the undercard to AA-Ayala).

But to be honest, the middlweight isn't that deep - Pavlik, Wright, Abraham...the rest in a mile. Alot of prospects but no real good contenders...

What compounds the situation is the fact that Sturm is also foghting a no-name so both German champs are taking a lot of flak.

I know the division is very shallow but there are at least 15-20 fighters better than Ayala.

[Nemesis]

Gevor was ranked by all sactioning bodies (he was actually in the mandatory spot for the WBO/IBF belt).

Elcock was ranked 10th by "The Ring" when he fought Abraham.

sanctioning bodies means sweet FA in the real world and the only reason Elcock breached the top ten is because the division is that weak

[Nemesis]

I think I'm one of the few truly unbiased posters here, who likes both guys - who bear Miranda no grudge whatsoever for being the exciting slugger he is, but recognize that Abraham is a top talent. One of the few who do not think a rematch would be an unnecessary outrage, but also don't think it's crucial that one happen to correct some perceived wrong.

The middle of the road is a clear path.

would you like a gold star!

[Tom_Tocca]

What compounds the situation is the fact that Sturm is also foghting a no-name so both German champs are taking a lot of flak.

I know the division is very shallow but there are at least 15-20 fighters better than Ayala.

So tell me but please take into account that Lee, Duddy, Quillin, Jabcobs, Greene wouldn't go near AA (thanks to their managements plus they are still prospects).

Give me a seasoned contender at middleweight which should fight AA...

[Carlos Primera]

What compounds the situation is the fact that Sturm is also foghting a no-name so both German champs are taking a lot of flak.

I know the division is very shallow but there are at least 15-20 fighters better than Ayala.
they should try to get a abraham - sturm fight made. would a fight between two title holding domestic fighters be big in germany? that fight would be more respectable than something like abraham - ayala.

[Tom_Tocca]

sanctioning bodies means sweet FA in the real world and the only reason Elcock breached the top ten is because the division is that weak

Are you numb? I told ya before...

Best thing to put it is what the president of the IBF said: No one in our rankings can or could compete with AA - this is a testament to the division... :deal

[IntentionalButt]

would you like a gold star!

You have gold stars?? We're going to be buddies. :smooch

[Nemesis]

Are you numb? I told ya before...

Best thing to put it is what the president of the IBF said: No one in our rankings can or could compete with AA - this is a testament to the division... :deal

I think you are the one that is DUMB

[Tom_Tocca]

I think you are the one that is DUMB

What can I do but write and you are the one that over-read it...calm down...

[iceman]

So tell me but please take into account that Lee, Duddy, Quillin, Jabcobs, Greene wouldn't go near AA (thanks to their managements plus they are still prospects).

Give me a seasoned contender at middleweight which should fight AA...

Ray joval,Asikainen or even Sylvester - although i suppose there aren't many others available.I didn't know that they tried Soliman and Winky is impossible to deal with.


I like AA a lot, but us fight fans are an impatient bunch.We want to see one champ at each weight.Abraham/Pavlik will be a great fight and with the likes of Lee,Green Quillan and Golovkin around the corner the middleweight division might get very exciting again

[iceman]

they should try to get a abraham - sturm fight made. would a fight between two title holding domestic fighters be big in germany? that fight would be more respectable than something like abraham - ayala.

I think Sturm is shit scared of AA and has already squashed this idea

[Tom_Tocca]

Sturm turned down $3 mio to fight AA - 2 times...this should tell you the story WHY it won't happen anytime soon...

[iceman]

Sturm turned down $3 mio to fight AA - 2 times...this should tell you the story WHY it won't happen anytime soon...

Thats as bad as dumbass Mora turning down a chance to fight Taylor

[markbrooklyn]

And Abraham is easy making more money with this fight than Miranda do with his next 4... :deal

So what does MONEY have to do with fighting BUMS? I don't like Edison Miranda at all but he definetly has a point. Abraham should not be fighting bums in his own back yard he should step it up

[Pantera2000]

Tom-
There is no doubt that as long as Arthur stays in his little protected shell with Wilfred paying off who he needs to, he will get no respect.

It's bad enough he is a champion fighting bullshit caliber opponents, but he is doing it in his backyard where you have to kill him to get a win.

[Tom_Tocca]

Tom-
There is no doubt that as long as Arthur stays in his little protected shell with Wilfred paying off who he needs to, he will get no respect.

It's bad enough he is a champion fighting bullshit caliber opponents, but he is doing it in his backyard where you have to kill him to get a win.

Hopefully, Miranda keeps winning at 168 and Arthur do the same at 160 -> it will make up for a great re-match in 2009 :deal.

And Lorenzo/Zuniga is an OK-opponent for June...this is just a tune-up...

[kk17]

It's bad enough he is a champion fighting bullshit caliber opponents,

and what is Miranda doing at supermiddelweight so far?:hi:
fighting top guys like Banks and Porras:think hunting Calzaghe ?::rofl
Abraham want's a rematch and if Miranda want's a rematch too he should go
down to middleweight and fly to germany and stop talking.

[IntentionalButt]

No, seriously, I do deserve a gold star. It seems nobody is capable of liking either fighter without heaping hate on the other. :lol: Wtf is wrong with you guys?

[IntentionalButt]

kk17 we need to chat about your avatar. More specifically, who is that?

[kk17]

@IntentionalButt her name is Liz McClarnon
singer of a british girlband
not my musik but she has other things that i like

[kk17]

Abraham doesn't really want anything to do with Miranda again.
Abraham has problems to make the weight at 160 lbs
it is only a matter of time for him to move up to supermiddleweight
and a rematch at supermiddleweight would be great.
But i think both guys won't win a fight against guys like Kessler and Bute.

[IntentionalButt]

Actually, Abraham-Bute would be really cool. :think

[kirk]

Go Pantera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jose FM]

And Abraham is easy making more money with this fight than Miranda do with his next 4... :deal
Geez get off AA nuts, dood is straight up garbage!

[Tom_Tocca]

Geez get off AA nuts, dood is straight up garbage!

That's just a fact...

[Caliboxing]

I'd like to see these two go at it again sometime in the future.

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This is why Miranda broke his jaw. Miranda is making a lot of sense in that article.

[Hrak]

This is why Miranda broke his jaw. Miranda is making a lot of sense in that article.
people say what they wana say, bottom line is most boxers rather have a broken jaw then lose a fight. Abraham is still at the top, Miranda got put on queer street and lost his credibility as an elite fighter. Im not too happy with AA opposition either, but I know its not 100% his fault, Sturm turned him down so did Winky, so his not left with much, its not like the MW division is stacked with talent. This is his last give me fight, his next fight will be the winner of Zungia-Lorenzo which is pretty good and after that hopefully Pavlik or Taylor.

[Tom_Tocca]

people say what they wana say, bottom line is most boxers rather have a broken jaw then lose a fight. Abraham is still at the top, Miranda got put on queer street and lost his credibility as an elite fighter. Im not too happy with AA opposition either, but I know its not 100% his fault, Sturm turned him down so did Winky, so his not left with much, its not like the MW division is stacked with talent. This is his last give me fight, his next fight will be the winner of Zungia-Lorenzo which is pretty good and after that hopefully Pavlik or Taylor.

That's what I tried to say the whole time - thank you for giving me the proper explanation...:thumbsup

[Bodysnatcher]

Paul Smith?

Beat Banks who beat Ayala.

Nah, just kidding :)

I look at Smith's record and I don't see a guy who's overly keen on facing anyone serious just yet.

[Paulie]

you have to agreed with Miranda...

[PH|LLA]

they are not even in the same division

[kirk]

for real though... AA HAS tried to make fights happen... he cant FORCE sturm and winky to fight him.

Id like to see him fight duddy then... and the showdown with pavlik you would expect is inevitable.

[Pantera2000]

people say what they wana say, bottom line is most boxers rather have a broken jaw then lose a fight. Abraham is still at the top, Miranda got put on queer street and lost his credibility as an elite fighter. Im not too happy with AA opposition either, but I know its not 100% his fault, Sturm turned him down so did Winky, so his not left with much, its not like the MW division is stacked with talent. This is his last give me fight, his next fight will be the winner of Zungia-Lorenzo which is pretty good and after that hopefully Pavlik or Taylor.

He may not be able to get the BIG fights, but why is he not fighting decent fights? There are a ton of better fights out there then who he is choosing. You can not blame the public for hating on him. He is not acting like a champion or someone who has any confidence in his ability.

[Tom_Tocca]

He may not be able to get the BIG fights, but why is he not fighting decent fights? There are a ton of better fights out there then who he is choosing. You can not blame the public for hating on him. He is not acting like a champion or someone who has any confidence in his ability.

Btw, what do you think about his mandatory - Lorenzo/Zuniga? Is any of those guys decent opposition to AA or another gimme?

[bumdujour]

And Abraham is easy making more money with this fight than Miranda do with his next 4... :deal

easy money............and making a bitch of himself for it.

just like a whore.

easy money is not always something positive.

[Tom_Tocca]

easy money............and making a bitch of himself for it.

just like a whore.

easy money is not always something positive.

You know the meaning of prize-fighting?

[bumdujour]

You know the meaning of prize-fighting?

do you know the meaning of being a world champion in boxing??

[Tom_Tocca]

do you know the meaning of being a world champion in boxing??

He isn't the real champ, just the top contender to the real champ - and before he's not getting this shot, he will stay busy - that's economics...

[Bslice]

would you like a gold star!


hahhahah:rofl yeah or a cookie ?

[Pantera2000]

Btw, what do you think about his mandatory - Lorenzo/Zuniga? Is any of those guys decent opposition to AA or another gimme?

Neither guy is too good imo, but at least worthy of a title shot. I want to see Abraham fighting the big names by now. All he is doing is facing his mandatories when he has to and nobody worth while in between.

Plus, as I experienced first hand, Wilfred is going to keep pulling all his strings and making sure these opponents step into the ring with the most frustration possible. He will do everything in his power to make their stay miserable in Germany. From the time they get to there, until they step in the ring, these fighters will know they are there to lose. And if that doesnt work he will make sure he runs the show and tells the doctors, refs and judges how to do their jobs. It really is a shame he gets away with this crap. It ruins the worthiness of boxing in Germany.

[Tom_Tocca]

Neither guy is too good imo, but at least worthy of a title shot. I want to see Abraham fighting the big names by now. All he is doing is facing his mandatories when he has to and nobody worth while in between.

Plus, as I experienced first hand, Wilfred is going to keep pulling all his strings and making sure these opponents step into the ring with the most frustration possible. He will do everything in his power to make their stay miserable in Germany. From the time they get to there, until they step in the ring, these fighters will know they are there to lose. And if that doesnt work he will make sure he runs the show and tells the doctors, refs and judges how to do their jobs. It really is a shame he gets away with this crap. It ruins the worthiness of boxing in Germany.

How come that a lot of foreign boxers enjoy their stay in Germany? I never heard Brewster, Byrd, Harris, Rivera to name a few, complaining about their stay in Germany?

Abraham - Zuniga/Lorenzo is likely taking place in the US - so no home advantage this time...

[El Bombasto]

Money isnt everything!

His standard of opposition since Miranda is shockingly poor even in this piss-weak division, he's barely fought a top 10 opponent

Other than Pavlik, who dominated him, Miranda hasn't done much either.

[kurt2006]

Gevor was ranked by all sactioning bodies (he was actually in the mandatory spot for the WBO/IBF belt).

Elcock was ranked 10th by "The Ring" when he fought Abraham.

Elcock is shit by world standards but even he made Abraham look crpa for a few rounds.

Abrahams would not beat any real top 10 fighter outside of Germany. This is going to be like Ottke, Beyer etc with dodgy decisions against real opponents or KO wins against crpa opponents.

[Quik]

Plus, as I experienced first hand, Wilfred is going to keep pulling all his strings and making sure these opponents step into the ring with the most frustration possible. He will do everything in his power to make their stay miserable in Germany. From the time they get to there, until they step in the ring, these fighters will know they are there to lose. And if that doesnt work he will make sure he runs the show and tells the doctors, refs and judges how to do their jobs. It really is a shame he gets away with this crap. It ruins the worthiness of boxing in Germany.
Yea you just can't win in Germany if you are a good but not well known fighter. No matter how hard you fight or what you do there will always be something to ruin all your efforts. Its a shame they get away with that again and again it just pissed me off.

When you are a german fighter or under the wing of a german promoter in Germany you have to get knocked out to lose.




Otke, Beyer, Veit and Sturm were and are all paper champs.

Huck got KTFO and thats a good thing because it woudve been a joke decision once again.

Steilglitz was a f*cking joke and got KTFO.

Brahmer, Inkin, Abraham etc...are just waiting to get exposed and would've been out of the picture already if they ever fought out of Europe.

Its bullsh!t because they buy their mendatory spot, then buy the purse bid and finally fix the fight and we can't do shit about it...

Hope Bute won't have to go fight in Germany....

[Tom_Tocca]

Yea you just can't win in Germany if you are a good but not well known fighter. No matter how hard you fight or what you do there will always be something to ruin all your efforts. Its a shame they get away with that again and again it just pissed me off.

When you are a german fighter or under the wing of a german promoter in Germany you have to get knocked out to lose.




Otke, Beyer, Veit and Sturm were and are all paper champs.

Huck got KTFO and thats a good thing because it woudve been a joke decision once again.

Steilglitz was a f*cking joke and got KTFO.

Brahmer, Inkin, Abraham etc...are just waiting to get exposed

Its bullsh!t because they buy their mendatory spot, then buy the purse bid and finally fix the fight and we can't do shit about it...

Hope Bute won't have to go fight in Germany....
You should know your shit before bashing on something - Cunningham was winning the fight on the scorecards...blind hater...

[Quik]

You should know your shit before bashing on something - Cunningham was winning the fight on the scorecards...blind hater...

Still, the fight not as close as it appeared on those cards which were a joke

[curmudgeon]

Miranda is a retarded blabbermouth.

[curmudgeon]

you have to agreed with Miranda...

No, you do not have to agree with this idiot.

[Pantera2000]

How come that a lot of foreign boxers enjoy their stay in Germany? I never heard Brewster, Byrd, Harris, Rivera to name a few, complaining about their stay in Germany?

Abraham - Zuniga/Lorenzo is likely taking place in the US - so no home advantage this time...

Overall Germany and the people are very nice. I cant tell you how many people came up to Miranda the next day in the streets of Bad Hamburg and in the airport in Frankfurt and told him how well he did and how many thought he should have won.

It is Sauerland that tries to pull little tricks. In the middle of the summer trying to put Miranda in a hotel with no A/C while Abraham stayed with A/C is one of the many. I could really write a book!

[Quik]

No, you do not have to agree with this idiot.

Well hes right about this. Pascal will beat him tought, im confident...

[RafaelGonzal]

God, I can't wait for him to run into Kessler or Pavlik again.

I want to see him againts Kessler .....Miranda talks but its the truth look at his last 4 opponents

[bumdujour]

You should know your shit before bashing on something - Cunningham was winning the fight on the scorecards...blind hater...

one judge had huck winning. you are the blind one........from germany, big surprise.

[Goose]

i agree with Miranda here.....Abraham may be a good figher, with superb power, but he hasnt fought anyone recently...what happened to his desire to fight in America and unify the titles..., this is crap.

[Quik]

Abraham is a good fighter but Sauderland is a cancer in boxing.