Povetkin vs Solis

[jaycuban]

Who wants to see it, Who would win ? Who and explain why !

[betman]

it is unfair to make a comparision between them cos solis havent did enough fights and out of shape...povetkin is better today but if solis
train well and come to a nice body shape , he has more potential then povetkin...

[dwilson]

Povetkin will always be better than solis.

[jaycuban]

Povetkin will always be better than solis.

always ?... who says hes better now ?

[Alcaldemb]

always ?... who says hes better now ?

He is better right now because he is more dedicated and in much better shape. Solis in his current shape is much slower, has worse stamina, and is more injury prone he also likes to attack now more than he did in the amateurs and he was never the offensive fighter that Povetkin is.

If Solis can come down to about 230 his speed should return as well as his defense footwork, then it becomes a very even fight. Until then however this version of Solis is a few notches below.

[fcu1]

Povetkin will always be better than solis.

I agree. Whether Solis is in shape or not, Povetkin is the more complete fighter. Povetkin has got better skill and has a better defense.

Because of the fact that Solis comes in so heavy, you can also question his desire. It seems to me Solis thinks that he only has to turn up to win. So far so good, but at some point he's gotta show whether he really wants it or not and I got my doubts.

[emanuel_augustus]

How does a Carribean fighter of Negro decent get so much attention on a European boxing forum?

Gee, maybe because he trains and fights out of Europe, you racist scumbag.

[Bigcat]

Solis is on the right track don't get me wrong, but Sasha is already there. They are at different ends of the scale already, Povetkin is already on track for big things, Solis however moving in the right direction is at the bottom of the same ladder. Eventually given that Solis stays true to his potential, the two may meet but it won't be anytime soon. Alex is boxing like a seasoned veteran.. He is the closest thing to a Tyson coming i have seen since 1986..
Aldo Colliander and Larry Donald are like a mercedes Benz being compared to a fucking Skoda.. God bless Y'all

[Bummy Davis]

Solis looks like a danger by the way he has been beating more seasoned fighters than himself, same with Alex but Alex is ahead of Solis in developement but if Solis keeps fighting at that pace who knows,I like Alex right now

[Bigcat]

exactly........great to see hungry heavyweights once again..

[jaycuban]

Well here is some info, In Cuba Oldanier Solis beat Felix Savon when he was pretty much in his primes, In 2000 he could not participate in the Olympic Games ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in Sydney ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), because Cuba wanted to allow hero Félix Savón to win his third consecutive Olympic gold, thereby equalizing the record of László Papp ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Teófilo Stevenson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), now this says alot about Solis's skill level and defence ability cause if you look at Savon... every fighter that fought him just went in there to accomplish no being knock-out, now i know he is not in his best shape right now, but believe he will get there, but think, to beat Savon twice who is known as one of the greatest olympic heavyweights of all times if not the greatest, thats a pretty good statement, So to say that povetkin has more skill level or potential than Solis... thats just wrong, if the fight ever happens... Solis will win.

[WhataRock]

Being a pro is just so much different though.
They are almost different sports.

Povetkin is really looking like a solid professional fighter now.

Solis really hasnt made any real solid transition yet, he has just smashed some pretty mediocre opposition and put on heaps of weight.
That being said Solis still probably demolishes at least half of the top40 heavyweights right now. I just cant see him succeeding at the elite 12x3 level at that weight.

[Grabonator]

I agree. Whether Solis is in shape or not, Povetkin is the more complete fighter. Povetkin has got better skill and has a better defense.

Because of the fact that Solis comes in so heavy, you can also question his desire. It seems to me Solis thinks that he only has to turn up to win. So far so good, but at some point he's gotta show whether he really wants it or not and I got my doubts.

Povetkin the more complete fighter?? Povetkin will always be better?? You guys must be KIDDING!!! You heard??? KIDDING!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl

[Alcaldemb]

Well here is some info, In Cuba Oldanier Solis beat Felix Savon when he was pretty much in his primes, In 2000 he could not participate in the Olympic Games ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in Sydney ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), because Cuba wanted to allow hero Félix Savón to win his third consecutive Olympic gold, thereby equalizing the record of László Papp ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Teófilo Stevenson ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), now this says alot about Solis's skill level and defence ability cause if you look at Savon... every fighter that fought him just went in there to accomplish no being knock-out, now i know he is not in his best shape right now, but believe he will get there, but think, to beat Savon twice who is known as one of the greatest olympic heavyweights of all times if not the greatest, thats a pretty good statement, So to say that povetkin has more skill level or potential than Solis... thats just wrong, if the fight ever happens... Solis will win.

One Savon got beat by Chagaev, as did Solis. Neither of them either beat Ruslan so by your logic Ruslan should be the best heavy bar none. Don't use age, Ruslan is only a little over a year older than Solis. You obviously have not followed Solis' career as an amateur too closely. He was an exceptional amateur, I don't doubt that, but those about Povetkin existed because of his sheer dominance at super heavyweight. Solis, as good as he was, was not as dominant as Povetkin. You are letting your national pride cloud your judgement. The guys Solis barely beat and lost to, like Timuerziev and Kober, Povetkin dominated.

[Alcaldemb]

Povetkin the more complete fighter?? Povetkin will always be better?? You guys must be KIDDING!!! You heard??? KIDDING!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl

As of right now Povetkin shows much better offensive ability, sharper shorter punches, better overall technique and punch placement, has better speed and footwork and has shown better concentration over the distance.

If Solis decided to come in shape his defensive ability, which was what made him such a great amateur would return as he fought very well going backwards. However until then he relies on his offense which is exactly the way it was in the amateurs and has never been a real strength of his. Solis would best be served by coming in at 225-230 where he could fight like a larger harder hitting version of Chris Byrd. However in a shoot out his offense is subpar to that of Povetkin's and he would lose.

[Grabonator]

As of right now Povetkin shows much better offensive ability, sharper shorter punches, better overall technique and punch placement, has better speed and footwork and has shown better concentration over the distance.

If Solis decided to come in shape his defensive ability, which was what made him such a great amateur would return as he fought very well going backwards. However until then he relies on his offense which is exactly the way it was in the amateurs and has never been a real strength of his. Solis would best be served by coming in at 225-230 where he could fight like a larger harder hitting version of Chris Byrd. However in a shoot out his offense is subpar to that of Povetkin's and he would lose.

I think Solis is better defensive than Povetkin, can duck and weave a bit and has good reflexes. And at 230 he would beat Povetkin, i think Solis style is even better suited for the pros than Povetkins.

[Alcaldemb]

I think Solis is better defensive than Povetkin, can duck and weave a bit and has good reflexes. And at 230 he would beat Povetkin, i think Solis style is even better suited for the pros than Povetkins.

They are two different styles. Solis fights more like Byrd while Povetkin fights more like Holyfield. The truth is, given amateur scoring, Povetkin's style is horrible for the amateurs as much of his body work and hooks aren't counted and it leaves him open to get hit. Solis is a better defense fighter, but he never ducked and weaved, that is Povetkin. Solis moves back and moves his head and shoulders to try and avoid shots. Both styles are actually well suited to the pros, but Solis' is actually better suited to the amateurs.

[jaycuban]

:scaredas: One Savon got beat by Chagaev, as did Solis. Neither of them either beat Ruslan so by your logic Ruslan should be the best heavy bar none. Don't use age, Ruslan is only a little over a year older than Solis. You obviously have not followed Solis' career as an amateur too closely. He was an exceptional amateur, I don't doubt that, but those about Povetkin existed because of his sheer dominance at super heavyweight. Solis, as good as he was, was not as dominant as Povetkin. You are letting your national pride cloud your judgement. The guys Solis barely beat and lost to, like Timuerziev and Kober, Povetkin dominated.


Well Savon defeated Ruslan aswell in '99, and when did Ruslan defeated Solis ?

[Grabonator]

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Well Savon defeated Ruslan aswell in '99, and when did Ruslan defeated Solis ?

Solis has Chagaevs Nr.!! :deal But i think Solis style is a bit like Chagaev isnt it??

[Alcaldemb]

Chagaev beat Solis in 2000. Solis followed that with losses to Enric, Lopez Nunez and actually lost in 2000 to Savon, the story that he stepped aside might be apocryphal. Chagaev beat Savon three times in 1997 by a score of 14-4 in 1998 in 1999 7-2 and he beat Chagaev by 9-1.

To say Solis has Chagaev's number is ridiculous. Chagaev has beat a very high level of opposition and beat Solis in the amateurs so as of right now Chagaev would seem to have Solis number. As I said Solis is best as a defensive boxer with power, his offense has always been and still is a bit spotty. Right now he needs to get his weight down so he can be a good defensive boxer again, until then he is not going to win a comeforward boxing match against Povetkin and Chagaev will score win number two if they fight.

[jaycuban]

I still think that Solis is the best Heaveyweight prospect out there, plus i just did my research and Ruslan only beat him by 1 point different (not making any excuses... a loss is a loss) but that wasent his original weight he was fighting at, I knew about the Savon lost and the Nunez Lost, but i still think Solis can beat both Povetkin and Ruslan, and if he gets in shape again... he is unstopable.

[curmudgeon]

...but i still think Solis can beat both Povetkin and Ruslan, and if he gets in shape again... he is unstopable.

Solis ducked Povetkin in 2004. He would have be fighting in super-heavy, if he was capable of getting the Gold.

Solis showed nothing of note with Aldo.

[Alcaldemb]

I still think that Solis is the best Heaveyweight prospect out there, plus i just did my research and Ruslan only beat him by 1 point different (not making any excuses... a loss is a loss) but that wasent his original weight he was fighting at, I knew about the Savon lost and the Nunez Lost, but i still think Solis can beat both Povetkin and Ruslan, and if he gets in shape again... he is unstopable.

They were all fighting at 201, which is his "original" weight. He is a very accomplished amateur but he was not as dominant as Povetkin. As I said the guys he lost to or had very close victories over Povetkin dominated.