117-111, 115-113, 116-112 Pavlik,...who saw the fight and who agrees?

[Biggame]

Espn scored the fight a draw, but those are the officials scorecards. I didn't see the fight so someone give me some insight, and what they think of the scores!!

Thank you!!

[Andre]

117-111 is far to wide, 115-113 would be about right, even could of been a draw.

[DPR]

i had it 116-112 pavlik

he controlled the fight with the jab and jermaine was not active enough to win.

[Circa]

117-111 is far to wide, 115-113 would be about right, even could of been a draw.

agreed :good

[Tom_Tocca]

115-113 Pavlik, that's the way I saw it...

[Biggame]

117-111 is far to wide, 115-113 would be about right, even could of been a draw.

:good

Hope HBO airs it next saturday so I can score it myself!!

[sean]

i had it 5-5 after 10 and gave pavlik the last 2.

[swedeone]

Had it 116-112 Pavlik.

[Beebs]

115-113 Pavlik

Credit to Taylor, but Pavlik isn't going anywhere for a while.

[Smith]

I scored the fight a draw.

Please no bashing each fighter guys before you do, both deserve massive respect, especially Jermain. He shocked a lot of people here.

[El Bombasto]

Clearly it was a hard to score fight. The official cards were all over the map.

[Kamil]

fucken bastard, u needed to post the scores didnt you, my fight is delayed, bastard, thanks alot

[this bloke]

i had it 115-114 for pavlik

[audio101]

Taylor just has a way of making boring fights. Now it's time for Pavlik to move on to better opponents!

[joe33]

Pav by 2 or 3,one of those score sites someone put up,had taylor by 5????,still a good go by JT he looked real good early on

[Tom_Tocca]

i had it 5-5 after 10 and gave pavlik the last 2.

just like me

[Beebs]

fucken bastard, u needed to post the scores didnt you, my fight is delayed, bastard, thanks alot

Comeon, why are you on a forum where people are discussing boxing if you don't want to have your fight spoiled?

Basic common sense.

[CUFreeze]

fucken bastard, u needed to post the scores didnt you, my fight is delayed, bastard, thanks alot

um i would suggest next time not reading a boxing board when you are watching a delayed fight.

hit in the head to mean times? :patsch

[Carlos J]

I had 116-113 to Pavlik. Simple. I was on Taylor, but he didn't show.

Pavlik was better over the distance.

[Ayatollah]

116-112 Taylor















Just kidding, (Pavlik)

[Kamil]

Comeon, why are you on a forum where people are discussing boxing if you don't want to have your fight spoiled?

Basic common sense.


true true my fault :dead

[marting]

I had 115-113 Pavlik. But a couple of rounds could've gone either way.

[Thor]

No fucking way is it 9-3 Pavlik. I'm a big Taylor supporter and I thought Pavlik won, maybe, maybe a draw.

[nickthegreek]

Espn scored the fight a draw, but those are the officials scorecards. I didn't see the fight so someone give me some insight, and what they think of the scores!!

Thank you!!

115-113 on my card. The correct fighter got the decision so no problems for me.

[Zakman]

Taylor just has a way of making boring fights. Now it's time for Pavlik to move on to better opponents!

Indeed. Time for Taylor to fade into well-deserved obscurity. Maybe he can be a gatekeeper at SMW.:lol:

[Smith]

Fuck Jermain Taylor and his BS cock of the walk talk.
He fought better and fought NOT to be knocked out..............and all this bullshit about taylor and his superior boxing skills and how he would use it to defeat pPavlik went out the window. He was out bixed and outpointed

He's lucky to have gotten thru the 11th round.Hello:hi: You feeling alright?

:-(

Pav won, but Jermain wasnt far off.

[Chert]

pavlik clearly won this one but it was close. you have to be very generous to taylor to score this a draw.

[BobDigi5060]

116, 115 in favor of Pavlik sounds about right. The fight was won in the second half.

[kerrminator]

I thought Taylor won 8-4 but Pavs '0' is more marketable and money talks

[Langford]

Pavlik came on strong towards the end. I scored it 115-113.

[conditioner101]

Punchstat numbers favored Pavlik heavily. Pavlik moved forward almost the entire fight. His jab was spectacular. Kelly proved he can beat you two ways. Outbox you or knock you out. I had it 116-112. Simple way to decide who won. Look at there faces.

[boxbox]

thought it was closer than the scores, and pavlik deserved that win. jermain could have gone all out, he was a little hesitant.

[lobk]

116 - 112 for Pav was what i scored.

[brooklyn1550]

116-112 Kelly Pavlik

[DoinDamage]

I had it 8-4 for Pavlik. Good, competitive fight with Pavlik being more consistent and better conditioned.

[TFFP]

I had Taylor by one, could have gone either way

Thought he landed the better cleaner shots, despite fighting on the backfoot which probably cost him in the end

Then again, shitty stream I'll need a rewatch

[CUFreeze]

Punchstat numbers favored Pavlik heavily. Pavlik moved forward almost the entire fight. His jab was spectacular. Kelly proved he can beat you two ways. Outbox you or knock you out. I had it 116-112. Simple way to decide who won. Look at there faces.

dude Taylor always swells. His cheek bones are not built for boxing.

[BigBone]

Pavlik really outnumbered Taylor this time. Of course Taylor was the more accurate of the two but Pavlik clearly outlanded Jermain who fought a very good fight and I gave some close rounds to him but there's no way that this fight is a draw. It was pretty damn close up to the 7th, it wasn't over at the 10th but the 11th and 12th really decided and those were clear Pavlik rounds.

I had Pavlik ahead of 116-113.

[BlueApollo]

115-114 Pavlik. The fight was on the table in 12th, and he did enough to take it.

[Call me Trinity]

Tayler best the first 4 rounds, but Pavlic took over.
115 - 113 Pav' :good

[Jase2483]

i had it 5-5 after 10 and gave pavlik the last 2.

thats personally how i had it

i wish i was smoking what the judge that had it 117-111 was - must of been some good shit

close fight

[Scorpion]

:huh I had Taylor winning.

[madskills]

what a robbery, pavliks corner tells the fight, I feel sorry for the sport of boxing.

[smudge]

what was lederman's score?

[kg0208]

I agree with 115-113. And Taylor showed VAST defensive improvement. If his stamina had been better, he may have won. But Pavlik caused him to tire, so no credit taken from him.

[Benjiabc]

i thought it was very harsh on taylor who did himself proud. i thought he was the only one who really threw clean meaningful punches. pavlik had his moments but i would have given it to taylor by a roun

[markbrooklyn]

I thought it was a very close fight, I actually thought it would be called a draw. But I don't have a problem with either of the fighters getting the win. Those scorecards are crazy though. I don't know what the judges were watching. Taylor did suprisingly well i thought.

[Scorpion]

Infact I had Taylor comfortably.

[grabbaman]

pavlik is the man to beat at 160&168, i like his chances against kessler and miranda

[andyZOR]

I had it 115-114 for Taylor.

I had one round even.


Taylor won this shit imo. But it could have been a draw....

[grabbaman]

pavlik is the man to beat at 160&168, i like his chances against kessler and miranda

[MattyC808]

I thought Taylor did much better than the HBO guys thought and that he was winning the fight till the last 2 rounds. Heck, he still might have won the fight.

He didn't have a gameplan, he just reacted to to a dozen jabs by a flashy combo. Its Pavlik's workrate that wiped Taylor out.

[fatcity]

I had it 116-112 Pavlik. :hat

Ditto.:good

[lb4lb Champ]

I'm a big Pavlik supporter and I was really worried going into that decision. I thought Taylor did a great job staying off the ropes and countering. Pavlik's camp really needs to work on something other then double jab then a right. Tough break for Taylor and I hope he bounces back at 168.

~Rick

[daz52]

I also had Taylor winning... If you saw the corners coming to the late rounds Jermain was more relaxed while i think Pavliks was more way more concerned i had it Taylor 116-112

[paulinchen_]

Lederman scored 115:113 Pavlick.

I did not agree, I had it 114:114

[Filmnpuck]

I had it a draw, but I was watching on my crappy little ******* window feed, and it's hard to tell which shots are landing cleanly and which are not. There were a lot of close rounds that I made a random pick because of that. Pavlik was most certainly busier, though. He fought very well.

[Scorpion]

Pavlik struggled to land clean shots while Taylor landed a bunch of snappy shots on Kelly.

[imakefights]

Pavlik outlanded Taylor by almost 100 punches. That tells the story right there.

[lobk]

Taylor lost the fight. He gave the fight away in the later rnds. He gave the 11th and 12th away in a fight that he even he thought was close.

[Archie_Moore]

come on guys... Pavlik through 400 more punches, landed more, his shots did more damage and still was close to landed at the same percentage as Taylor. Taylor was surviving those last 2 rounds too.

116-112 for pavlik... Right guy got the nod. :-)

[Throwing doubles]

Taylor fights in spurts - Pavlik controls consistently. Pavlik 116-112

[BlueApollo]

Pavlik outlanded Taylor by almost 100 punches. That tells the story right there.

That tells the story that compubox is garbage. I saw Jermain block or parry enough punches to know there is no way he was "outlanded" by triple digits.

[booradley]

116-112 Pavlik against a much improved version of Taylor.

Boo

[djrock247]

7-5-1 even to Taylor. I'll concede to the masses on this one. I must have been watching the wrong fight or maybe the Chinese commentary threw me off but I had this fight 115-114 for Taylor! Pavlik took the 1st round and last 2 rounds pretty clearly. I gave him the 9th and 7th by a narrow margin. Taylor (in my opinion) swept 2-6 and I gave him rounds 8 and 10 as well. I scored the 3rd round even. I'm not a biased judge and I pride myself on normally having very accurate scorecards but I'm man enough to admit that maybe I missed this one. I'm going to have to watch it one more time.

[sues2nd]

I scored the fight a draw.

Please no bashing each fighter guys before you do, both deserve massive respect, especially Jermain. He shocked a lot of people here.

Agreed

[Caliboxing]

I had it 118-110 for Pavlik, he took the fight to Taylor and outworked him.

[thai-hardhitter972]

Pavlik won the fight , this was no robbery

[madskills]

Jermaine took kelly to school, am I the only one who saw this

[Tunney5]

The fight was close until the late rounds. I scored it 116-112 for Pavlik, but because of several close rounds anything from 117-111 to 115-113 is reasonable.

[sues2nd]

I had it 118-110 for Pavlik, he took the fight to Taylor and outworked him.

:admin

118?

I can accept a close win for Kelly, but your insane. Do you even know how to score a fight?

[monti_ev]

it was a close fight but taylor got tired and lost the fight

[Tunney5]

Pavlik outlanded Taylor by almost 100 punches. That tells the story right there.

:yep Exactly.

[Cobbler]

115 - 114 Pavlik

[andyZOR]

i had it a draw, the whole fight came down to how you scored the 11th round, pavlik took over the last minute, but taylor owned the first 2 minutes of that round. no one likes draws tho, i had cotto-mosley a draw too.

I had it 115- 114 Taylor.

One round even. I can see it being a draw or going either way tho. Some rounds were close. I thought Taylor might have edged him tho..

I gave round 11 for Taylor.

[Caliboxing]

:admin

118?

I can accept a close win for Kelly, but your insane. Do you even know how to score a fight?


Get off my back fool.

[monti_ev]

omg how could you give round 11 to Taylor

[conditioner101]

dude Taylor always swells. His cheek bones are not built for boxing.His cheekbones aren't built for boxing? HAAAAAAAAAAA:nut :think :huh :roll: :nono :barf :| :shock: :? Or... Pavlik busted him up with clean hard punches offa good stiff jab n double jab. And... his cheeks had nothing to do with the punchstats or being backed up the WHOLE fight!

[Korn_06]

Had Pavlik winning Rnd. 1,2 8,9,10,11 and 12. I didnt see rnd 4.

[nighthunter]

115-113 for pavlik

[Fedor Em]

I had this fight a draw, Jermain outboxed Pav the first 10 rounds (6-4) then his stamina failed him the last 2. Taylor was throwing the more accurate shots, similar to Mijares earlier on. Either way JT showed he is far from done. He beats everyone at 168 except Kess

[BlueApollo]

His cheekbones aren't built for boxing? HAAAAAAAAAAA Or... Pavlik busted him up with clean hard punches offa good stiff jab n double jab. And... his cheeks had nothing to do with the punchstats or being backed up the WHOLE fight!

Jermain has a history of swelling late in fights. Happened with Wink, happened with Nard, happened tonight with Pavlik.

Funny you mention Jermain getting busted up, it didn't look like Kelly's nose appreciated all of those flush jabs Taylor was landing either.

[nickfoxx]

i had it taylor 115-113

[conditioner101]

Jermain has a history of swelling late in fights. Happened with Wink, happened with Nard, happened tonight with Pavlik.

Funny you mention Jermain getting busted up, it didn't look like Kelly's nose appreciated all of those flush jabs Taylor was landing either.
Yeah they were< because he was getting hit ALOT. Maybe Pavliks nose isnt made for boxing haaaaaaaaaaaa

[kg0208]

That's because you're a stupid fucking moron who see's what you want to see.

Taylor hung on for dear life in the 11th.....but I guess the color of your skin blinded you and you missed it.

What in the HELL were you watching?
Why do you keep mentioning race?

[Hrak]

116-112 is right on the money

[pirlo]

Taylor 8-4 at least.

[Shotgun]

Had it an "easy" 115-113. 7-5 but obvious who won

Kinda like STRUM-DeLaHoya except the guy who obviously won 7 rounds and deserved to win actually got the decision

[o_money]

I love taylor and I agree with the scores. the body shot at the end of the 11th seald teh win. What a great fight. What a great preformance from taylor.

[pirlo]

You could have it 115-113 Pavlik if you are blind. 116-112 or 117-111 if you did not watch the fight. But if know what boxing scoring is about a draw would be a nicest gift to PAvlik.

[Peterp]

116 - 113 to Pav for me

judges weren't too far off. Right man won

[Dorfmeister]

I had it scored a draw, 114-114, but I had one round that could have gone to Pavlik (the 8th I believe) that would have given him the 115-113 win. Very good, very close fight. Pavlik was coming forward non-stop and that's certainly what won him the fight. I had the fight even through 8 rounds and I honestly thought Taylor might steal it in the 9th and 10th rounds, as Pavlik looked to be tiring and Taylor seemed the fresher, but the 11th (with that brutal body punch) and the 12th went to Kelly in my book. Great fight, not at all what I expected. I thought Taylor would be much more gun-shy. They both came out carefully swinging, if that's possible. Worth the PPV but the scorecards reflect much of what was on the judges' and the general public's minds before the fight - that Kelly Pavlik was the much stronger and busier fighter and when you have something stuck in your mind, it's very difficult to give rounds to the other man... Again, I saw no point in making the immediate rematch - Taylor should have been aware that they would give the decision to Pavlik even if the fight would have been close like I thought it was.

[PeterNielsen70]

The fight was close until the late rounds. I scored it 116-112 for Pavlik, but because of several close rounds anything from 117-111 to 115-113 is reasonable.

Exactly, agree that Pavlik won by 2-6 points. Taylor was in the fight in the first half - but Pavlik turned it around with the constant pressure. I had it 7 rounds for Pavlik, 3 for Taylor and 2 draw. But a lot of the rounds in the first half of the fight were close.

Pavlik - Taylor

1. 10-9
2. 9-10
3. 9-10
4. 10-9
5. 10-10
6. 9-10
7. 10-9
8. 10-9
9. 10-9
10. 10-10
11. 10-9
12. 10-9

117-113 Pavik - but it could have been 115-113, 117-111:bbb

[Sundance]

Pavlik won the fight. He had Taylor's number by the end of the fight.

[Napuis]

115-113 Taylor

[Max Molyneux]

A draw but I could of seen a decision for Taylor.

[Drexl]

This place it Pavlicker central, so I'm not surprised that most seem to think he won.

One thing fans - and judges it seems - need to learn, is that 1 punch landed is BETTER than 5 punches that get blocked. The VAST majority of Pavlik's shots landed on Taylor's arms or gloves. Taylor's shots were landing through Kelly's guard, or on his body.

Don't get me wrong - I like Pavlik and don't particularly like Taylor. I'm happy Kelly ended up with the "W".

But I know bad scoring when I see it.

[Dorfmeister]

115-113 taylor

taylor caught the eye in the rounds. his punches did more, pavlik didn't do anyhthing special and in the early rounds taylor had pavlik in trouble. taylor robbed and no rematch.

Taylor still threw faster, flashier and more eye-catching shots all the way till round 8 but still took long breaks between flurries, maybe concerned with pacing himself, Pavlik much more consistent with the thudding jab - plodding forward, out-working Jermain, tryin to wear him down until that 11th round body shot sapped his strength, Kelly wins the last two rounds and Taylor's success between rounds 2 to 6 just took too much out of him. Good fight Taylor, I lost a lot of Vcash lately with him and Paul Williams but no way, no how Taylor should have been given the nod... Total Punches: Pavlik - 267 of 845 (32%); Taylor - 178 of 456 (39%). Total Jabs: Pavlik - 144 of 484 (30%); Taylor - 102 of 292 (35%). Total Power Punches: Pavlik - 123 of 361 (34%); Taylor - 76 of 164 (46%). Taylor realises now how does it feel like to lose a title and the immediate rematch under so-called suspicious circumstances. Jermain somehow did redeem himself and will be back against a good SMW - I would like to see him right away with the winner of Pascal and Miranda or against Allan Green.

[TomaTos]

116-112 Pavlik, could have been 117-111 or 115-113 for pavliv too, clear win for the "ghost".

I wanted Taylor to win to set for a trilogy but Kelly was "too much" for Taylor.

Anybody who had Taylor won did not watch the fight..., especially those having Taylor won round 11 or 12, it was 2 very very easy round to judge !

[stevebhoy87]

117-111 is far to wide, 115-113 would be about right, even could of been a draw.

That was pretty much the way i saw it but i'll have to watch again to be sure as it was on at 430 in the morning over here, i'm banged up with the flu and been drinking most of the day after the football but 115 113 was how i scored it

[bigG]

just watched it and i had pavlik winning by one or two rounds at the most...strangely, taylors work was probably of a higher quality, but pavliks was more consistent..yes, pavlik looked more uncomfortable between rounds, but his relentless stalking won the fight for me..you could argue a draw at he best for taylor, but whilst jermaine surprised many, i dont think he did enough to take the title back...

[Mindspring]

I'd say,all and all, the Pavlik dynasty shook, and took a little tumble last night, and I wasted 50 bucks.

[PACZ]

115-113 Pavlik.

[Biggame]

Thanks for the input everyone. Seems as if the fight could have gone eitherway. One things clear, not everyone is happy w/the decision and alot of ppl feel Taylor won. Also it's obvious who landed the cleaner more affective shots(Taylor). As I sat at work and went from website to website checking scorecards and rd by rds I thought Taylor was going to win, but when I got home and saw the actually decision, and scorecards I was shocked. I appreciate the opinions here. One of my co-workers said to me that when he read about talks and a possible showdown between Pavlik and Tito this summer he said Jermain could KO Pavlik and still lose the decision!

Now does anyone know where I could see the fight asap?

[Raging B(_)LL]

Taylor certainly handled Pavlik's punches better with the added weight, but if the fight had been for 15 rounds I don't think Taylor would have lasted through three more rounds. Pavlik could have really broken Taylor down if he would have thrown a lot of body shots as Taylor clearly did not like the body blows in the second half. I scored it 117-112 with Pavlik winning every round from the fourth round on except round ten which Taylor looked stronger in and landed the better shots.

Good tactical fight, but not particularly memorable. Taylor, as always, faded late, and against a busy aggressor like Pavlik you just can't away with that. No matter who Taylor trains with he'll always fight in that tight, herky-jerky manner which spells doom for his energy-level in the later rounds. I was really impressed with Kelly's chin . . .Taylor landed some real *******s on him tonight and though Pavlik was stunned a couple of times he shook it off each time and came right back, never being really hurt.

[fcu1]

i had it 5-5 after 10 and gave pavlik the last 2.

me too

[Sonny Carson]

The people who said Pavlik outboxed Taylor the whole fight are idiots. If Taylor didn't have such bad stamina he would have won. Taylor isn't even that great of a boxer and he was ahead till he got tired. Pavlik will have trouble against slick boxers, he proved that last night.

Pavlik won by a round on my card.

[Lar Janus]

I had it 115-113 Pavlik, though a draw would've been fair, and a JT win slightly shady imo. 117-111 was ludicrous, and even 116-112 a little much (meant that all the close rds were given to KP), as well as giving 6 straight rds to KP. I had it even going into the championship rounds, but Taylor really gassed, and didn't do much (can't see how anyone could've given him either of those rds); in the end, Pavlik's steady pressure won him the fight--he would've been better served going to the body early on, too much head hunting. I also think Pavlik landed the more damaging blows, while JT seemed to try to be stealing some rounds with flashy-looking flurries. Both guys blocked a lot of the other's punches, w/KP's heavier hands getting through more often.

I didn't agree w/the punch-stats, and I wish they'd stop doing that nonesense--it serves no official purpose, and can be used as ammo by one side or the other. I thought it was about even, w/JT's coming in flurries and lessening over the second half of the fight, while KP just kept up a solid workrate.

I never like to see a fighter get right back in there w/someone who's just ko'd him, seems like a tune-up type fight to clear out that experience is a prudent step. That said, I thought JT fought a great and determined fight, he seemed to have put that last fight out of his head; he fought about as good a fight against KP as he could, I think the extra weight ended up benefitting JT more than KP (contrary to my pre-fight thinking), but JT's lack of power to keep KP off of him meant that he was backing up all night--a tough way win.

Pavlik didn't look nearly as dominating as he has, and JT did make him look slow, clumsy, and plodding at times. A bit of a reality check for KP and his fans. Oddly enough, in my book, JT's stock goes up after this loss, while KP's goes down a little.

I agree w/the sentiment that these two need to go their separate ways after giving us two great fights--JT to 168 and KP back down to 160 for as long as he can make weight.

[jsimps]

There are a lot of biased folks, who couldn't score a fight to save their lives on this site. Here is my Tale of the Tape:

KP JT
Rd1 - 10 9
Rd2 - 9 10
Rd3 - 9 10
Rd4 - 10 9
Rd5 - 10 9
Rd6 - 10 9
Rd7 - 9 10
Rd8 - 10 9
Rd9 - 10 9
Rd10 - 9 10
Rd11 - 10 9
Rd12 - 10 9

116 - 112 Pavlik

Pavlik was extremely busier and landed more jabs and power shot.
Taylor fought in spurts. He landed cleanly and effectively when he did throw. He was looking not to get KO'd. He stayed off the ropes which was a huge plus for Jermaine. If this was a 15rd fight, Kelly KO's him.

Props to JT, he fought well and should pose some threat at SMW.

[Napuis]

'Extremely busier'

- WTF.

From where I was sat, Taylor landed far more clean shots and effective combinations.

Most of Pavlik's shots were scuffed and hit Taylor's gloves/defence etc.

Taylor came against a bigger, harder puncher, landed more clean shots than his opponent and counter punched well. He deserved to win.

After Cotto and Pavlik's wins against opponents who landed more clean shots and were the busier punchers, Vegas is establishing a precedent that the bigger heavier hitting favourite will win no matter whether he loses a 'boxing match' or not.

[jsimps]

'Extremely busier'

- WTF.

From where I was sat, Taylor landed far more clean shots and effective combinations.

Most of Pavlik's shots were scuffed and hit Taylor's gloves/defence etc.

Taylor came against a bigger, harder puncher, landed more clean shots than his opponent and counter punched well. He deserved to win.

After Cotto and Pavlik's wins against opponents who landed more clean shots and were the busier punchers, Vegas is establishing a precedent that the bigger heavier hitting favourite will win no matter whether he loses a 'boxing match' or not.

Yes, "extremely busier"!!!! Go back and compare how many more punches Pavlik threw versus Jermaine. Busier does not mean that Kelly landed all of them, but without a doubt he was the busier fighter.

[Lar Janus]

If this was a 15rd fight, Kelly KO's him.
This is where not having 15-round championship fights any more hurts boxing. So many more fights would end decisively, if they still went 15. Hell, add just one extra round, so that the likelihood of draws is lessened!

[jsimps]

[quote=Lar Janus]This is where not having 15-round championship fights any more hurts boxing. So many more fights would end decisively, if they still went 15. Hell, add just one extra round, so that the likelihood of draws is lessened![/quote

Lars, I agree, but I guess when you go back and review Mancini - Kim, it's that right choice.

[safe_pa]

117-111 is a fucking joke!
I had money on Taylor and wanted him to win, I can admit that Pavlik won the fight but I scored it 115-113. The 11th and 12th won it for Kelly IMO.
Boxing judges are terrible.

[Lar Janus]

[quote=Lar Janus]This is where not having 15-round championship fights any more hurts boxing. So many more fights would end decisively, if they still went 15. Hell, add just one extra round, so that the likelihood of draws is lessened![/quote

Lars, I agree, but I guess when you go back and review Mancini - Kim, it's that right choice.
Well, let's be honest here: boxing is a brutally violent blood sport. Any time you get two professional boxers pounding on each other's heads, damage will be done. Deaths have occured in fights less than 15 rds. (even less than 12 or 10), and long-term harmful effects from a career in boxing is bound to happen to any fighter. Getting hurt, even death, will always be a part of boxing. Any time an emotional or tragic event occurs, the knee-jerk reaction will be to "do something" about it, instead of just accepting it is a logical and predictable outcome of the thousands of fights (two strong and skilled athletes using their fists on each other) that occur every year. Boxing has, can, and should minimize the risks involved as much as possible through "safety-first" instructions to refs; cornermen and managers, too, should keep the boxer's health at the forefront, as well. I would hate to see boxing ruined through use of headgear and shortened fights, though.

[Drexl]

Yes, "extremely busier"!!!! Go back and compare how many more punches Pavlik threw versus Jermaine. Busier does not mean that Kelly landed all of them, but without a doubt he was the busier fighter.

Which means nothing if the majority of his punches were blocked.

MMA doesn't worry me - I only really worry for the future of the sport of boxing when I see fans and judges not understanding the absolute basic fundamentals of scoring.

:verysad

[Archie_Moore]

Right man got the nod. Thats all that matters.
I had it 115-113 pavlik after watching the fight again.

[RICH]

I Saw The Fight. And Had It 116-112 Pavlik .

[ronaldomilan]

116-112 Pavlik

[jsimps]

Which means nothing if the majority of his punches were blocked.

MMA doesn't worry me - I only really worry for the future of the sport of boxing when I see fans and judges not understanding the absolute basic fundamentals of scoring.

:verysad

Kelly landed more jabs and power shots than Taylor. Plus, he threw a helluva lot more. Busier fighter, landing more punches ='s win, under most circumstances.

[randeris]

i'm watching the fight now - so far scored it:

1st: 10-9 Pavlik
2nd: 10-9 Taylor
3rd: 10-9 Taylor
4th: 10-9 Taylor
5th: 10-9 Pavlik
6th: 10-10
7th: 10-9 Pavlik
8th: 10-9 Pavlik
9th: 10-9 Pavlik

[swedeone]

Jermaine took kelly to school, am I the only one who saw this



YES.


How's that for an answer?

[Drexl]

Kelly landed more jabs and power shots than Taylor. Plus, he threw a helluva lot more. Busier fighter, landing more punches ='s win, under most circumstances.
Whether he landed more is debatable. I'm happy to concede that he might have...JUST.

Which is why a close decision either way is acceptabe, but a lop-sided one is NOT.

By the way, while Kelly might have landed slightly more the fact that Taylor landed the cleaner punches is not debatable. And the scoring guidelines state that CLEAN landed punches count more than all of the other criteria.

HOW TO SCORE A FIGHT 101:

1) CLEAN punching - Taylor easily.
2) EFFECTIVE aggressiveness - Pavlik just (aggressiveness, no doubt. But effective aggressiveness...?)
3) Ring generalship - Tie. Neithey guy bothered with this much.
4) Defence - Taylor easily.

[swedeone]

I agree with 115-113

I had it DEAD even going into the championship rounds, with Pavlik coming on very strong to win the last two rounds. He showed what champions are made of



BINGO. :good

I think most had it similarily.

[jsimps]

Whether he landed more is debatable. I'm happy to concede that he might have...JUST.

Which is why a close decision either way is acceptabe, but a lop-sided one is NOT.

Drexel he threw almost 400 more punches, mostly jabs. I think it is pretty easy to say he landed more. IMO.

[Drexl]

Drexel he threw almost 400 more punches, mostly jabs. I think it is pretty easy to say he landed more. IMO.

Look at the FIGHT not the stats.

The general pattern for the majority of the fight was....

- Pavlik throwing a basic jab-jab-straight right, most of the time with ALL of the punches hitting Taylor's guard.
- Taylor throwing in flurries, with most of his shots going between Kelly's loose guard or landing on his body.

[jsimps]

Look at the FIGHT not the stats.

The general pattern for the majority of the fight was....

- Pavlik throwing a basic jab-jab-straight right, most of the time with ALL of the punches hitting Taylor's guard.
- Taylor throwing in flurries, with most of his shots going between Kelly's loose guard or landing on his body.

I am looking at the fight. I watched it again and I still believe Kelly landed more. I think Kelly broke threw Jermaine's defense more than Jermaine broke his. Jermaine fought in flurries and yes, he did connect, but I didn't think it was as often as Kelly's basic 1-2. Again IMO.

[Drexl]

I am looking at the fight. I watched it again and I still believe Kelly landed more. I think Kelly broke threw Jermaine's defense more than Jermaine broke his. Jermaine fought in flurries and yes, he did connect, but I didn't think it was as often as Kelly's basic 1-2. Again IMO.
Fine, like I said I'm happy with Pavlik to win and a close decision either way is fair.

But all the Pavlickers agreeing with a lopsided score are just making themselves look like stupid newbies who have no idea about the rules of the sport.

[ssabripo]

i had it 5-5 after 10 and gave pavlik the last 2.
same here :good