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[stegsie]

16TH February show at Blackpool tower circus

VIP started the year 2008 with a cracking show at the sold out Blackpool Tower which generated a magic atmosphere and we cannot wait to go back there , results were as follows :-

BRIAN ROSE –Blackpool’s local hero showed great character to win the last 3 rounds against Manoocheri Salari and force a draw from a fight that looked lost after the opening 3 of this 6 x 3 top of the bill contest. Brian started very slow and it looked like the occasion had got to him ,when he was caught with a solid shot which had his legs gone at the end of the second there did not look anyway back. However, after regrouping in the 3rd he finally got a spring in his step and turn the fight round working well behind good jabs which deservedly saw him get a share of the spoils – he will be a better fighter because of this.

JACK ANFIELD –The 18 year old moved to 4-0 with a shut out points victory . It was a solid mature performance against the very experienced David Kirk who had to use all his ring craft to survive the steady and accurate pressure of Arnfield who varied his punches very well and looks one to watch.

ALEX MATVIENKO – The one man riot did not fail again with a 2nd round stoppage of Davy Jones. This was developing into another classic punch up with both fighters going for it when suddenly Alex caught Jones with a left hook on the way out of a clinch and it was all over.

RICHARD GODDINS- Showed a great improvement from his debut and moved to 2-0 with a very tidy exhibition of punch picking which left the journeyman Senol Dervis outclassed in every round and lucky to see the final bell.

JON KAYS – Moved to 4-0 with a sound points win over Steve Gethin who took some nice shots without ever looking in trouble.

CHRIS JOHNSON – Like the Mattvienko fight this was another dust up with the Mancunian Dave Murray coming to fight and looking for a win. Up to the 5th round there was little in the contest but like Alex , Chris found a crisp shot on the jaw of Murray coming out of a heated exchange and the ref was quick to jump in and stop the fight as Chris began to pummel Murray on the ropes.

MARTIN MURRAY – Cheered on by a massive following Martin forced the fight for the whole 6 rounds but never looked like getting the stoppage against Dean Walker who is a master of the spoiling game and managed to tie Murray up for most of the fight. It was a sound if not spectacular performance on the back of a hand injury and will have knocked some ring rust off for his next performance which will be in Liverpool on the 16th March.

DANNY HARDING – Weighed in 6lb over the agreed 10st 2lb and his opponent Baz Carey choose not to give the weight away and therefore the 8th fight of the night did not happen , fortunately the crowd were served a treat of boxing and this was not missed.

[brown bomber]

Godding in particualr impressed me. Much better then his debut. Kays was very good too.

[elle]

Why did most of the fighters opponents get changed on this bill?

Am sure it was previously announced on here that Rose, Arnfield, Johnson, Matvienko and Goddins were all due to face different names ....

Any explanation for VIP's Danny Harding coming in 6lb over the agreed limit for his fight with Baz Carey?

[The Lads]

He's been out the ring for ages, took the fight at late notice because someone dropped out... errrm.. christmas?

carey was also 3lbs over, allegedly

[brown bomber]

He's been out the ring for ages, took the fight at late notice because someone dropped out... errrm.. christmas?

carey was also 3lbs over, allegedly Whoever dropped out needs a slap I think. :lol:

[brown bomber]

The fight was made at 10st 2lbs Harding was 10st 8lbs and Carey was 10st 3lbs....

[elle]

He's been out the ring for ages, took the fight at late notice because someone dropped out... errrm.. christmas?

carey was also 3lbs over, allegedly


Wasn't Danny Harding due to face Lee Cook (before he withdrew) on February 1st?

Surely he should have been in shape anyway?

[TomPodmore]

I don't blame Baz for not fighting. Why should he give away a chunk of weight when he is on the opponent's show? Baz said to me that he was giving away weight against Nathan Brough at Christmas, a fight in which he was stopped in three. He probably didn’t want the same scenario.

Carl Allen would have probably fought in that situation. Then again, Carl is a physco!

[elle]

Whoever dropped out needs a slap I think. :lol:

Agreed - not least because of all the mischief he has been causing on the forum recently! :smile

[brown bomber]

Agreed - not least because of all the mischief he has been causing on the forum recently! :smile :lol: God what do i need to do to smooth things over ladyfriend? Your harder work then my missus :rofl

[brown bomber]

I don't blame Baz for not fighting. Why should he give away a chunk of weight when he is on the opponent's show? Baz said to me that he was giving away weight against Nathan Brough at Christmas, a fight in which he was stopped in three. He probably didn’t want the same scenario.

Carl Allen would have probably fought in that situation. Then again, Carl is a physco! I'd love to meet Carl personally as opposed to fighting him... whats he like? Seemed dead sound after the fight. He is a very poor boxer stylistically but my god he can clout with his right hook. That was the first count I ever took when he caught me, still think I beat him though- not that it matters too much these days :D

[elle]

I don't blame Baz for not fighting. Why should he give away a chunk of weight when he is on the opponent's show?


I don't blame Carey either. As you say, why should he give further advantage to his opponent when he is boxing on their promoters bill?

I do feel for Carey. First his rematch with Jeff falls through and then Jeff's stand-in comes in a few pounds over the agreed weight.

At the moment it reflects very poorly on Harding.

[brown bomber]

Carey will have still been paid... stop feeling sorry for him- he is the enemy.

[TomPodmore]

I'd love to meet Carl personally as opposed to fighting him... whats he like? Seemed dead sound after the fight. He is a very poor boxer stylistically but my god he can clout with his right hook. That was the first count I ever took when he caught me, still think I beat him though- not that it matters too much these days :D

Carl is a top bloke, friendly and easy to talk to. Oh, and all the ringcard girls seem to think he should be a model. I've been speaking to him a lot recently - planning on doing a big piece on him when he reaches 100 pro fights (he'll retire after the hundredth) - and he has some brilliant anecdotes from past contests

He is still very, very dangerous with that right - though he doesn't use it as much as he did in his hey-day. Billy Smith, the Gypsy hard man from Worcester who has chin made out of cast-iron, said to me that he has never been as dazed after a fight as he was when they fought for the Midland Area title last year.

Carl drew with touted Martin Gethin last year, though he even admits he didn’t deserve it. I had Allen losing every single round. Anyway, Gethin gave him such a beating that he was temporally blind over the weekend as both eyes had closed over. He was still looking for a fight the next week despite not being able to see.

[brown bomber]

Carl is a top bloke, friendly and easy to talk to. Oh, and all the ringcard girls seem to think he should be a model. I've been speaking to him a lot recently - planning on doing a big piece on him when he reaches 100 pro fights (he'll retire after the hundredth) - and he has some brilliant anecdotes from past contests

He is still very, very dangerous with that right - though he doesn't use it as much as he did in his hey-day. Billy Smith, the Gypsy hard man from Worcester who has chin made out of cast-iron, said to me that he has never been as dazed after a fight as he was when they fought for the Midland Area title last year.

Carl drew with touted Martin Gethin last year, though he even admits he didn’t deserve it. I had Allen losing every single round. Anyway, Gethin gave him such a beating that he was temporally blind over the weekend as both eyes had closed over. He was still looking for a fight the next week despite not being able to see.
madness - did you ever see him beat Dazzo Williams heard it was televised never saw it though. He drew with me (when I was a prospect), lee meager, Colin Toohey (good fighter) and someone else who I can't think of who ws considered a good un, plus he chinned Carey and dazzo Williams. When I fought him I was outboxing him throughout and because he pulls back with his chin up in the air I was well on top then in the fifth I went for a left to the body and he nailed me and I fell down on my ass off balance I laughed to the ref (micky Vann) and he laughed back but i thought i don't fancy another one of those. So I boxed off the back foot where he did very little and I thought that the ref was going to just raise my arm but he raised both I was a bit cheesed at the time but it was a good experiance in hindsight.

[elle]

:lol: God what do i need to do to smooth things over ladyfriend? Your harder work then my missus :rofl


Try behaving?

You're harder work than 'The Lads' - both of you in the same thread usually means double trouble for me! :patsch

[TomPodmore]

He battered Dazzo, took him to town. Dazzo probably looked at his patchy record, looked at the fact his KO percentage wasn’t that high and went to knock him out. Big mistake. I remember Carl just grinning when he was battering Williams around.

Baz said he was the hardest-hitting fighter he has ever been in with. I think if you asked a lot of his former opponents who was one of the hardest punchers you’d been in with Carl’s name would be there.

Did you ever see when Carl fought Phillip N’Dou, the South African puncher who went on to challenge Floyd Mayweather for the WBC lightweight title, at the York Hall in 1999? He was roughing N’Dou up in the first round – rocked him a few times as well. But N’Dou caught him with a few solid hooks to the body in the second and Carl took the count.

By the way, Jeff, would you fancy a fight with Billy Smith at some stage during your comeback?

[The Lads]

Try behaving?

You're harder work than 'The Lads' - both of you in the same thread usually means double trouble for me! :patsch


<wakes up fomr afternoon snooze> eh, wha, me, eh?

[brown bomber]

He battered Dazzo, took him to town. Dazzo probably looked at his patchy record, looked at the fact his KO percentage wasn’t that high and went to knock him out. Big mistake. I remember Carl just grinning when he was battering Williams around.

Baz said he was the hardest-hitting fighter he has ever been in with. I think if you asked a lot of his former opponents who was one of the hardest punchers you’d been in with Carl’s name would be there.

Did you ever see when Carl fought Phillip N’Dou, the South African puncher who went on to challenge Floyd Mayweather for the WBC lightweight title, at the York Hall in 1999? He was roughing N’Dou up in the first round – rocked him a few times as well. But N’Dou caught him with a few solid hooks to the body in the second and Carl took the count.

By the way, Jeff, would you fancy a fight with Billy Smith at some stage during your comeback?
100% yes I would be honured to fight Billy he is a quality journeyman and every credit to him he has turned over some good fighters recently. We were going to fight the night I beat Anthony Christopher.

I never seen the Ndou fight would love to see the williams fight have you got it on vid?

[TomPodmore]

I was talking to Bill the other day and he said that he wants a few more fights in the lion’s den this year. He is making a defence of his Midland Area title on May 12 – should Joe come through OK on March 1, mind – and then will go back on the road again for a few pay-days, albeit ones he will try and win.

I have the Allen-Dazzo fight somewhere. I will try and find it, convert it to dvd and whack the link on here.

[brown bomber]

I was talking to Bill the other day and he said that he wants a few more fights in the lion’s den this year. He is making a defence of his Midland Area title on May 12 – should Joe come through OK on March 1, mind – and then will go back on the road again for a few pay-days, albeit ones he will try and win.

I have the Allen-Dazzo fight somewhere. I will try and find it, convert it to dvd and whack the link on here.
Nice one. :happy

[brown bomber]

Danny would have mullered him either way.... Carey just wanted the easy money. Who can blame him?

[elle]

Danny seemed genuinely sorry about the whole situation pre-fight and it is one of those things that you get on a small bill. Rarely do two fighters weigh the same.

That said the onus is on one guy to come in near the weight and if the other guy does not want to do a deal he can ditch the fight. I think Danny was ready to give up a chunk of his purse and was disappointed they did not get a chance to thresh things out.


I'm curious about your comment "it is one of those things that you get on a small bill".

Is it the norm and why the association with small bills in particular?

I can appreciate Harding must have been disappointed not to get to box but in the circumstances he only has himself to blame. Carey exercising his right not to fight an opponent who came in 6lbs over may have done Harding more of a favour in the long run as I suspect he is much more likely to make weight next time knowing not every opponent will let you get away with it.

[TomPodmore]

Generally these things are smoothed over. In this case Baz may not have seen it as being worth the risk of a stoppage and ban.

That last sentence is accurate because Baz is set to fight Martin Gethin over six-threes in Birmingham on February 28, although it hasn't been 100 per cent confirmed yet; Martin could be taking on bigger Ali Wyatt instead. A stoppage loss against Harding on February 16 would have scuppered that.

[elle]

Yeah, look at the Goddins fight for evidence on that bill alone. Or weights in general. That's why I never write 'welterweight bout' or other specifics.

Generally these things are smoothed over. In this case Baz may not have seen it as being worth the risk of a stoppage and ban.


I had to go and have a quick read of your write up on BBN - see what you mean about Goddins coming in at 10st 5 and his opponent 10st.

Also note you thought Brian Rose was fortunate to get a draw. That result is a shame as a hometown draw decision is a bit of a blot on his record - still, at least it wasn't a loss!

[brown bomber]

I quite confidently scored 4-2 to Brian so there you go.

[elle]

I quite confidently scored 4-2 to Brian so there you go.


Which rounds did he win in your estimation?

[brown bomber]

I thought he won the first lost the second and third then won the fourth, fifth and sixth quite handily.

[brown bomber]

Yeah there certainly were a few who thought he had drawn or maybe even lost. The thing with Brian is everything comes off his jab.... it is his bread and butter and obviously when your boxing a southpaw with a fast straight left counter your going to be hesitant. He was too hesitant without his jab- he should have been leading woth the right and coming back with the left hook but he didn't do it once. Not critisisng your opinion Terry merely stating it was for me a fight open to interpretation. Ultimately a poor showing from Brian based on his capabilities but he showed stacks of balls and I think he will improve on the back of this.

[brown bomber]

Didn't take it that way Jeff, just thought I'd throw my hat into the ring on this thread. Only time I get worried about differing scorecards is when someone scores Hagler-Leonard for Leonard, that chaffes my arse to be honest :good

Good shout on Bri's jab not being a help to him in this fight. I wish I'd have put that as well as that but I was running out of space by that point!

Risky game but I'd have liked Brian to march in behind a right-left hook double and see if he could expose Mano early then box him upclose.

I know Brian can box sluggers as I saw him defuse Tony Randell and maybe the return home put a bit too much lead in Bri's pencil on Saturday. Didn't see many fans complaining though and I'd make the trip to Blackpool (I'm not keen on the place but Big Al fooking loves it there) to see a rematch for sure. I'm sure Bobby will get Brian doing what needs to be done.

Congratulations to Mano are in order because he showed that not all road warrior types are looking to just go the distance, Mano wanted it.:good

[elle]

It will be on Channel M soon so I'll be watching it from behind my hands hoping I got things accurate.


I'll have to try and watch or record that.

Hope they show the bouts in full and not just highlights.

[mark t]

RE :DANNY HARDING:



harding was 10.6ib carey was 10.3lb it was not much, anyway harding not boxed for 11 months and supposingly offered a big chunk of his purse and would of took it easey with carey. carey shit it and took the money.

Harding always trains hard ive seen it for myself, also lee cooke pulled out again with a broken nose, probably why harding hasnt boxed for ages.

[sutty]

:good DANNY COME ON LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think Danny would of beat carey Danny is a good lad and trains like a mad man . He needs a fight !! soon would be good to see another night like when he beat pacey!!.

I reakon Dan was a bit more focussed on the Lee cooke fight and i know he was making the weight , my mate trains with Harding and i think we will see more off him . Carey is a pussy . Give harding a break ELLE aswell carey was over weight to and there wasnt much in it . Carey just took the safer way out.

Good Luck Danny Lad.!!:nut :smoke

[elle]

:good DANNY COME ON LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think Danny would of beat carey Danny is a good lad and trains like a mad man . He needs a fight !! soon would be good to see another night like when he beat pacey!!.

I reakon Dan was a bit more focussed on the Lee cooke fight and i know he was making the weight , my mate trains with Harding and i think we will see more off him . Carey is a pussy . Give harding a break ELLE aswell carey was over weight to and there wasnt much in it . Carey just took the safer way out.

Good Luck Danny Lad.!!:nut :smoke


Welcome to the brit forum Sutty.

First and only post and you are telling me to give Harding a break?

It is you that has made insulting remarks about his opponent.

With respect I suggest you look no further than your own post before you start judging mine.

[elle]

RE :DANNY HARDING:



harding was 10.6ib carey was 10.3lb it was not much, anyway harding not boxed for 11 months and supposingly offered a big chunk of his purse and would of took it easey with carey. carey shit it and took the money.

Harding always trains hard ive seen it for myself, also lee cooke pulled out again with a broken nose, probably why harding hasnt boxed for ages.

Welcome to the brit forum Mark T.

Thought Harding was 10st 8lbs and Carey 10st 3lbs (agreed weight 10st 2lbs)?

Couldn't help but notice you are the second newbie to make your first post, specifically about Danny Harding, in this thread. Out of interest, are you a fellow VIP boxer? Mark Thompson perhaps?

[sutty]

elle love your not getting the point you shouldnt talk about people saying it reflects badly etc , both parties were over weight and im sure a big lesson has been learnt by both lads , Harding wont make the same mistake twice and think the loss off lee cooke fight may have knocked him off course a bit. IM SO SORRY FOR JUDGING YOUR COMMENTS ASWELL EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT THE LADS IS RIGHT !!

Congratulations to ALL THE LADS ON SAT FROM MANCHESTER !!

[elle]

elle love your not getting the point you shouldnt talk about people saying it reflects badly etc , both parties were over weight and im sure a big lesson has been learnt by both lads , Harding wont make the same mistake twice and think the loss off lee cooke fight may have knocked him off course a bit. IM SO SORRY FOR JUDGING YOUR COMMENTS ASWELL EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT THE LADS IS RIGHT !!

Congratulations to ALL THE LADS ON SAT FROM MANCHESTER !!

Had second thoughts about your first two attempts at this post?

No offence but you can drop the 'love' and over familiarity - I read your first two attempts before you wisely edited them.

Two posts in since you joined the forum and both clearly aimed at me - well you've got my attention which is what I presume you wanted by typing my name in capital letters in your first post.

Obviously my comments about Harding don't suit your bias but, with all due respect, I'll be the judge of what I've got the point of and what I should or shouldn't talk about.

[sutty]

whatever no its your attitude to other people read your posts before commenting on us lads blah blah blah haaaaaaa

its a shame isnt it haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa

[elle]

whatever no its your attitude to other people read your posts before commenting on us lads blah blah blah haaaaaaa

its a shame isnt it haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa


Perhaps YOU should read all MY posts before commenting on me as a poster.

Whats a shame is that all you are doing is drawing attention to Danny Harding for not making weight when that particular debate was over and we had moved on in this thread.

[Night-Nurse]

16TH February show at Blackpool tower circus

DANNY HARDING – Weighed in 6lb over the agreed 10st 2lb and his opponent Baz Carey choose not to give the weight away and therefore the 8th fight of the night did not happen , fortunately the crowd were served a treat of boxing and this was not missed.

I couldn't F'ing belive it when i heard the news that Harding came in 6lbs over the weight!
I dieted my arse down to 10st to box Carey (3 days notice) incase Hardings medical didn't clear in time!
But NOOOOOOO they came in so i din't end up fighting. Then he comes in at 10st 8lbs WTFF

How pissed was i :twisted:

[elle]

I couldn't F'ing belive it when i heard the news that Harding came in 6lbs over the weight!
I dieted my arse down to 10st to box Carey (3 days notice) incase Hardings medical didn't clear in time!
But NOOOOOOO they came in so i din't end up fighting. Then he comes in at 10st 8lbs WTFF

How pissed was i :twisted:


Thats an interesting revelation.

For what its worth I can appreciate why, given the situation, you'd be cheesed off.

Hopefully all your preparation won't have been in vain though and will pay off in your next fight - good luck!

[Night-Nurse]

Thats an interesting revelation.

For what its worth I can appreciate why, given the situation, you'd be cheesed off.

Hopefully all your preparation won't have been in vain though and will pay off in your next fight - good luck!

Thanks, i'm over it now lol
Boxing March 28th at Barnsley Metrodome :D
Can't Wait :happy

[elle]

Thanks, i'm over it now lol
Boxing March 28th at Barnsley Metrodome :D
Can't Wait :happy


Thats great.

Same bill as the Chris Edwards v Andy Bell Title fight?

Hope all goes well.

[Night-Nurse]

Yeah thats the top of the bill!
Who are you btw?
:hi:

[elle]

Yeah thats the top of the bill!
Who are you btw?
:hi:


Just a fan of the sport. :good