Joe Calzaghe?

[OBCboxer]

What I want to know is what's with all the praise with this guy, he beat one credible fighter who really is just one dimensional. I don't care if I'm goning to get blasted for saying this but come on. He wants to fight an over the hill Hopkins and Jones and call himself the greatest Super Middleweight ever! No way! I'll give him credit that he reached where he is now but he has fought NOBODY his whole career. Where was he when Jones and Hopkins were in their primes? Why did he defend his WBO title for 10 years fighting the Branko Sobot's and Charles Brewer's of the division. Who are those guys? Instead of fighting top fighters he fought some of the same Bums twice.

Joe Calzaghe earns my respect when he beats some prime fighters, who are real champs. He may be a hot fighter now because he has two belts but somebody will shut that shit down, that's if he grows a pair an fights somebody who is in their prime, and has a strategy.

[Jase2483]

What I want to know is what's with all the praise with this guy, he beat one credible fighter who really is just one dimensional. I don't care if I'm goning to get blasted for saying this but come on. He wants to fight an over the hill Hopkins and Jones and call himself the greatest Super Middleweight ever! No way! I'll give him credit that he reached where he is now but he has fought NOBODY his whole career. Where was he when Jones and Hopkins were in their primes? Why did he defend his WBO title for 10 years fighting the Branko Sobot's and Charles Brewer's of the division. Who are those guys? Instead of fighting top fighters he fought some of the same Bums twice.

Joe Calzaghe earns my respect when he beats some prime fighters, who are real champs. He may be a hot fighter now because he has two belts but somebody will shut that shit down, that's if he grows a pair an fights somebody who is in their prime, and has a strategy.

I think throwing him into the top ten ATG's like some people want to is a bit over the top. He beat more than just one credible fighter, i'd say at least 4 are very credible on his resume.

Its hard to say how great he could have been, his division has been weak, you can't necessarily blame him, yet there were fighters in weights around that I would have personally liked to see him in with.

All i know is if he does happen to lose to bhop(even though i think he'll get passed, just not easily) it will infact unravel a huge myth on this forum - not to mention make it extraordinarily fun to point out how many fanboys were blinded by the goose egg to the right of his win column

[FRKO]

Where was he when Jones and Hopkins were in their primes?

He was trying to make a fight with Hopkins. Or did you forget this? Hopkins ducked Calzaghe. FACT.

[bxrfan]

He just took too long to step up to fight these guys, and although he will look good by beating them now, he's hurt his legacy in the long run IMO.

[OBCboxer]

He was trying to make a fight with Hopkins. Or did you forget this? Hopkins ducked Calzaghe. FACT.

What about Jones?

[OBCboxer]

It was a weak division but you don't have to fight Peter Manfredo Jr.

[Jase2483]

Hopkins ducked Calzaghe. FACT.
Wasn't it a "I deserve more money than you" duck - but a duck none-the-less?

I could be entirely wrong, but I thought it all boiled down to BHop wanting a considerably larger share than Joe C was willing to agree to. If I am incorrect, please lead me to the right information. Thanks in advance.

[FRKO]

What about Jones?
I have no idea. There's a lot of talk about this, and apparently Joe was going through a lot of personal shit at the time when he was expected to fight Jones. I don't know the facts, so I can't really comment.

[Jase2483]

What about Jones?

If it was Jones right after he left MW....it wouldn't have even been fair, Joe C would have got his first loss early, and all the pointless talk of his "ATG" legacy would have never started.

[rr94]

What about Jones?

what about Johnson?

Injury cancelled fight, why wasn't it postponed???

That's the one that bothers me.

[FRKO]

Wasn't it a "I deserve more money than you" duck - but a duck none-the-less?

I could be entirely wrong, but I thought it all boiled down to BHop wanting a considerably larger share than Joe C was willing to agree to. If I am incorrect, please lead me to the right information. Thanks in advance.

Whatever the reason, Joe was ducked. Yes, though. That's the story, pretty much. They agreed to the fight and the amount of pay, then Hops backed out at the last minute.

[OBCboxer]

All I'm saying is, until Kessler, all he beat was a post-prime Chris Eubank.

[boxbox]

some of his opponents are not popular in the US, does'nt mean they're bums.
try getting some exposure in that side of the boxing world and then you can re assess you're statements=)

[OBCboxer]

If it was Jones right after he left MW....it wouldn't have even been fair, Joe C would have got his first loss early, and all the pointless talk of his "ATG" legacy would have never started.

What my point is, Joe had his WBO belt so instead of fighting bums fight real fighters. If it's not Jones atleast face a worthy contender.

[FRKO]

I'm just gonna re-post something I posted earlier as an answer to someone who said Joe "couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag".

Joking? No. Hardly. JC can't punch his way out of a paperbag. Listen man, no disrespect to you, but it looks like you've been reading posts by fools who have no clue as to what constitutes a great boxer, and there are plenty of fools on here. Maybe somewhere along the way you became slightly brainwashed by the endless shit talk, but the fact is, Calzaghe can punch a hell of a lot harder than you think. The reason he doesn't throw super heavy shots constantly is because, if he did, he'd break his fucking hands. Joe more than makes up for this in other areas and all-round boxing ability. The guy is a seriously smart fighter. I can only come to the conclusion that you have a problem recognizing talent. What makes it so hard for some people to see it?

Every time someone talks crap about Joe (or any great boxer, come to think of it) I am semi-reluctant to answer back because usually 400 rampant, testosterone-filled teenage baboons jump on me and call me a "nuthugger", but honestly this shit needs straightening out. Read: You pub brawler types need to do your homework when it comes to the sweet science of boxing.

Up until Joe started to damage his hands, he was knocking out plenty of his opponents. So far, he's had more than 120 amateur fights and 44 professional fights. 32 of those pro fights have ended in KO or TKO. It's pretty obvious that if "he couldn't punch himself out of a paper bag" he would have an embarrassing KO record. Which he doesn't. Go get your Microsoft calculator and work out the KO percentage yourself. It's not a bad record by any means, especially considering his hand injuries.

One of his tougher fights was against Robin reid who caught him with quite a few hard right hands. Joe damaged his hand in this fight but still managed to pull out a UD. He was also recovering from food poisoning. He walked through those heavy bombs from Reid and barely even flinched. To suggest his chin is made of iron wouldn't be an understatement. Not that you did, but I like to point out of his many great qualities which make up his all-round genius in the ring.

Before the fight with Lacy, Jeff said "If you look at his fights, wouldn't you call him a slapper?". Two years later, and Lacy still hasn't recovered from the injuries and mental trauma sustained during his heavily one-sided loss to Joe. It's not inaccurate to say he ruined Jeff's career, as he hasn't been the same since.

Here's a picture to remind you:

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That's Jeff, bleeding from both eyes, nose and lips, of course, all damage caused by slaps to the face.

When he needs to turn it on, believe me, Calzaghe can bang. This was proven in the fight against Byron Mitchell (previously unbeaten and never knocked down until he met Joe), when Mitchell knocked him down in the second round. That was Joe's first knock down, too. If I remember correctly, Joe was up by the count of 3 and proceeded to KO Mitchell in the same round.

It's worth mentioning he also knocked down Chris Eubank in the first round. Some may argue that Eubank was too old. That's bullshit. Chris was only 31 and continued to fight for a while. One notable opponent happened to be a cruiserweight.

Quote from Eubank: "Joe is the proper article, a true warrior."

I agree with Chris.

11 of Joe's 44 professional fights have ended in first round. 7 of those 44 fights ended in the 2nd round. Only 11 of the 44 fights have gone the full 12 rounds.

Quote from Barry McGuigan: "He punches ferociously, moves superbly and has the best of the European technique and US aggression."

I agree with Barry.

I could also go on, but I think you get where I'm coming from by now. Do you honestly believe this man cannot punch his way out of a paper bag? And how long do you think you yourself would last in the ring with Joe Calzaghe?

JoeDota
Hey Yank, I'm back, dinner was good and the merlot is excellent right now. Joe is not a GREAT fighter. Joe is a good fighter. GREAT? That is a very strong word bestowed on only a few. Floyd Mayweather is GREAT. Roy Jones Jr. was GREAT. Young Mike Tyson was GREAT. Marvin Hagler. Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns GREAT,GREAT,GREAT. Muhammed Ali was THE GREATEST. Joe Calzaghe is a good fighter who needs to blow Hopkins out of the ring and defeat one more high caliber fighter before we tag him with GREATNESS. And it's not gonna happen.
Old Yank - email
JoeDota -- You are entitled to your opinion. Calzaghe has accomplished what onlyu he and two other fighters in the history of prize fighting have ever accomplished. I want you to go d some research on how long a champ holds a title on average. Then go research how much amateur experience the typical pro gets and what their amateur records look like. When you are done, let me know how many fighters in the history of the sport have gone 17 uears (amateur into pro) without losing a fight. Let me know who the ONE and ONLY fighter in the history of the sport is, OK?
18.02.08 @ 07:19:22

[OBCboxer]

some of his opponents are not popular in the US, does'nt mean they're bums.
try getting some exposure in that side of the boxing world and then you can re assess you're statements=)

That was his decision to stay there.

[Jase2483]

What my point is, Joe had his WBO belt so instead of fighting bums fight real fighters. If it's not Jones atleast face a worthy contender.

I'm right there with you. But if you were in Joe's shoes - would you have wanted Jones after he just utterly embarassed everyone at 160?

[Jase2483]

Whatever the reason, Joe was ducked. Yes, though. That's the story, pretty much. They agreed to the fight and the amount of pay, then Hops backed out at the last minute.

Alright, thanks for confirming what i was pretty sure I remembered correctly.

[OBCboxer]

I'm right there with you. But if you were in Joe's shoes - would you have wanted Jones after he just utterly embarassed everyone at 160?

True, I see where you're coming from, but there was better competition out there than what he was facing.

[Punisher33]

Calzaghe is a great talent that waited too long to take his career more serious and fight good competition. I'm not a big fan of Wlads by any means, but I think he said it best, when he said, If you want to be taken serious as a good fighter you must come to the United States, they truly have strongest competition in the world, which led to Wlad and his brothers move to California.

[FRKO]

What my point is, Joe had his WBO belt so instead of fighting bums fight real fighters. If it's not Jones atleast face a worthy contender.

Blame Frank ******, not Joe Calzaghe. He is the one who makes the fights.

[OBCboxer]

Calzaghe is a great talent that waited too long to take his career more serious and fight good competition. I'm not a big fan of Wlads by any means, but I think he said it best, when he said, if you want to be considered a good fighter you must come to the United States if you want to be considered great fighter and fight the strongest competition in the world, which led to Wlad and his brothers move to California.

That's what I'm saying, people say he couldn't rise was because he lived in England. But it was his decision to stay there.

[Jase2483]

Blame Frank ******, not Joe Calzaghe. He is the one who makes the fights.

I'm right there with you on that, I still think Joe has to eat more of the blame than Frank, but people forget that fighters fight, and the business people make those fights and make the deals.

[FRKO]

That's what I'm saying, people say he couldn't rise was because he lived in England. But it was his decision to stay there.
Money. And not believing that unless you go to the states to fight you ain't shit. There is life beyond America.

[OBCboxer]

Blame Frank ******, not Joe Calzaghe. He is the one who makes the fights.

Doesn't Joe have the final say of who he fights? If he didn't like what ****** was doing he would have fired him. If Calzaghe had a thirst for greatness he would have forced the issue and promoted himself or hired a high quality promoter.

[Jase2483]

Money. And not believing that unless you go to the states to fight you ain't shit. There is life beyond America.

Lies. The world is flat, and the sun revolves directly around Wahington D.C.

Anything else is bollocks!

[FRKO]

Doesn't Joe have the final say of who he fights? If he didn't like what ****** was doing he would have fired him. If Calzaghe had a thirst for greatness he would have forced the issue and promoted himself or hired a high quality promoter.

That's just how it is. Joe still sees ****** through rose-tinted spectacles because he helped him. I don't think I'd have stayed with ******, but whatever.

[OBCboxer]

Money. And not believing that unless you go to the states to fight you ain't shit. There is life beyond America.

Wow, your shooting blanks kid.

[FRKO]

Wow, your shooting blanks kid.
BS. I don't need a gun.

PS: I'm no kid. I've been watching boxing since 1977.

[OBCboxer]

BS. I don't need a gun.

Good, so when I pull out my gat and my bullets shank you where will you be.

[Punisher33]

That's what I'm saying, people say he couldn't rise was because he lived in England. But it was his decision to stay there. The United States is the Mecca for boxers, Wlad and Vitali knew this, and only then did they get noticed and gain world wide exposure. It's great to have talent, but whats the sense if you rarely test it against top opposition? I think Calzaghe missed the boat years ago, literally, and many boxing historians will penalize him for avoiding the big names for nearly 10 years of his career.

[FRKO]

Good, so when I pull out my gat and my bullets shank you where will you be.

Big man. You're a hero of the forum and I'm sure everyone admires you now.

[OBCboxer]

Big man. You're a hero of the forum and I'm sure everyone admires you now.

It's a joke!

[Jase2483]

Big man. You're a hero of the forum and I'm sure everyone admires you now.

Lies I'm the hero!

He's just internet thugging!

[FRKO]

It's a joke!

It wasn't funny.

[OBCboxer]

It wasn't funny.

I really don't care. This is a forum and I don't know you at all.

[Jase2483]

I really don't care. This is a forum and I don't know you at all.
So the impersonality of the internet is an excuse to be rude to someone you don't know? By that logic you should treat all the strangers you walk past in the street the same way - which I doubt you do.

Furthermore, if you don't treat strangers that way, you're logic is obviously flawed and you just ran yourself in a circle.

[FRKO]

I really don't care. This is a forum and I don't know you at all.

OK then. Have a nice day.

[OBCboxer]

So the impersonality of the internet is an excuse to be rude to someone you don't know? By that logic you should treat all the strangers you walk past in the street the same way - which I doubt you do.

Furthermore, if you don't treat strangers that way, you're logic is obviously flawed and you just ran yourself in a circle.

I'll never meet this person in real life, chances are I won't. IT would be different if it was in person.

If you gave me a picture of him I wouldn't know who he is. Same for him.

[Punisher33]

Come on guys thats try and talk about boxing, we may not all like the same fighters or agree with each other on certain topics, but we all do have one thing common, we come here to discuss shit because we love boxing, so thats not be ignorant towards each other and try and respect our fellow posters opinion a little bit.

[OBCboxer]

Come on guys thats try and talk about boxing, we may not all like the same fighters or agree with each other on certain topics, but we all do have one thing common, we come here to discuss shit because we love boxing, so thats not be ignorant towards each other and try and respect our fellow posters opinion a little bit.

You're right, my bad.

[Jase2483]

Come on guys thats try and talk about boxing, we may not all like the same fighters or agree with each other on certain topics, but we all do have one thing common, we come here to discuss shit because we love boxing, so thats not be ignorant towards each other and try and respect our fellow posters opinion a little bit.

Exactly! :happy:happy:happy

[OBCboxer]

Let us get back to Boxing.

[Punisher33]

You're right, my bad. It's cool, when that MasterCalzaghe comes on I have hard time holding back myself, but it seems like FRKO is a good poster, that isn't someone that comes on here just to piss people off. :good

[OBCboxer]

It's cool, when that MasterCalzaghe comes on I have hard time holding back myself, but it seems like FRKO is a good poster, that isn't someone that comes on here just to piss people off. :good

Yeah, atleast FRKO is an open minded Calzaghe fan. He's reasonable.

[Punisher33]

Yeah, atleast FRKO is an open minded Calzaghe fan. He's reasonable. So who do you think takes it between Jones and Calzaghe?

[Jase2483]

So who do you think takes it between Jones and Calzaghe?

Personally - I think a lot of it will depend on how he performs against BHop before I can make a really valid decision. Gut's telling me jone's still has the tools, but I'm not sure if he's still got enough to get it done.

[Punisher33]

Personally - I think a lot of it will depend on how he performs against BHop before I can make a really valid decision. Gut's telling me jone's still has the tools, but I'm not sure if he's still got enough to get it done. I feel Calzaghes workrate is probably to much for him at this point in his career, but I still feel Jones has something left, but I dont think it's enough to beat Calzaghe, who not to far out of his prime.

[RafaelGonzal]

All I'm saying is, until Kessler, all he beat was a post-prime Chris Eubank.


and who did Kessler beat Liberado Andrade and Marcus Beyer....
I see how little it takes to get credibility around here.

[RafaelGonzal]

some of his opponents are not popular in the US, does'nt mean they're bums.
try getting some exposure in that side of the boxing world and then you can re assess you're statements=)



Spell it C-A-N

T-O-M-AT-O

Tomato Can

Tomato cans Plural, now use it in a sentence:

There are many tomato cans in Calzaghe's record.

Perfect sentence.

[H .]

Spell it C-A-N

T-O-M-AT-O

Tomato Can

Tomato cans Plural, now use it in a sentence:

There are many tomato cans in Calzaghe's record.

Perfect sentence.

:smoke

[brooklyn1550]

Spell it C-A-N

T-O-M-AT-O

Tomato Can

Tomato cans Plural, now use it in a sentence:

There are many tomato cans in Calzaghe's record.

Perfect sentence.

Let's be fair...

Kessler, Eubank, Reid, Mitchell, Brewer, Veit, and Woodhall are/were all good fighters. Does he have an ATG resume? No, but it's not as bad as some say. You want to see a resume filled with cans, look no further than Samson Dutch Boy Gym.

[Dantes]

Regardless of the talk, Calzaghe will definitely beat Hopkins in April, and STILL be undefeated. The rest will be opinion...

[H .]

Regardless of the talk, Calzaghe will definitely beat Hopkins in April, and STILL be undefeated. The rest will be opinion...

:roll:

[Dantes]

:roll:

Care to place an avatar bet on that?

[H .]

Care to place an avatar bet on that?

how bout a lifetime ban?

[Dantes]

how bout a lifetime ban?

Either way you'll be shut up- lets do it.

[H .]

Either way you'll be shut up- lets do it.

So be it.




April 19th is the big night.

:smoke

[Dantes]

So be it.




April 19th is the big night.

:smoke

Done.:good

[H .]

Done.:good

It's a shame, there are others who I'd prefer to do this with...

[sean]

What I want to know is what's with all the praise with this guy, he beat one credible fighter who really is just one dimensional. I don't care if I'm goning to get blasted for saying this but come on. He wants to fight an over the hill Hopkins and Jones and call himself the greatest Super Middleweight ever! No way! I'll give him credit that he reached where he is now but he has fought NOBODY his whole career. Where was he when Jones and Hopkins were in their primes? Why did he defend his WBO title for 10 years fighting the Branko Sobot's and Charles Brewer's of the division. Who are those guys? Instead of fighting top fighters he fought some of the same Bums twice.

Joe Calzaghe earns my respect when he beats some prime fighters, who are real champs. He may be a hot fighter now because he has two belts but somebody will shut that shit down, that's if he grows a pair an fights somebody who is in their prime, and has a strategy.

how about amatuers then to prove calzaghe`s pedigree.

in chris byrds last fight as an amatuer he fought one joe calzaghe in a amatuer tournament in italy where they met in the final and chris byrd was stopped for the first and only time of his long amatuer career, by calzaghe.

[cpnasty]

What I want to know is what's with all the praise with this guy, he beat one credible fighter who really is just one dimensional. I don't care if I'm goning to get blasted for saying this but come on. He wants to fight an over the hill Hopkins and Jones and call himself the greatest Super Middleweight ever! No way! I'll give him credit that he reached where he is now but he has fought NOBODY his whole career. Where was he when Jones and Hopkins were in their primes? Why did he defend his WBO title for 10 years fighting the Branko Sobot's and Charles Brewer's of the division. Who are those guys? Instead of fighting top fighters he fought some of the same Bums twice.

Joe Calzaghe earns my respect when he beats some prime fighters, who are real champs. He may be a hot fighter now because he has two belts but somebody will shut that shit down, that's if he grows a pair an fights somebody who is in their prime, and has a strategy.

You know shit about boxing

[Benjiabc]

I'm just gonna re-post something I posted earlier as an answer to someone who said Joe "couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag".

Listen man, no disrespect to you, but it looks like you've been reading posts by fools who have no clue as to what constitutes a great boxer, and there are plenty of fools on here. Maybe somewhere along the way you became slightly brainwashed by the endless shit talk, but the fact is, Calzaghe can punch a hell of a lot harder than you think. The reason he doesn't throw super heavy shots constantly is because, if he did, he'd break his fucking hands. Joe more than makes up for this in other areas and all-round boxing ability. The guy is a seriously smart fighter. I can only come to the conclusion that you have a problem recognizing talent. What makes it so hard for some people to see it?

Every time someone talks crap about Joe (or any great boxer, come to think of it) I am semi-reluctant to answer back because usually 400 rampant, testosterone-filled teenage baboons jump on me and call me a "nuthugger", but honestly this shit needs straightening out. Read: You pub brawler types need to do your homework when it comes to the sweet science of boxing.

Up until Joe started to damage his hands, he was knocking out plenty of his opponents. So far, he's had more than 120 amateur fights and 44 professional fights. 32 of those pro fights have ended in KO or TKO. It's pretty obvious that if "he couldn't punch himself out of a paper bag" he would have an embarrassing KO record. Which he doesn't. Go get your Microsoft calculator and work out the KO percentage yourself. It's not a bad record by any means, especially considering his hand injuries.

One of his tougher fights was against Robin reid who caught him with quite a few hard right hands. Joe damaged his hand in this fight but still managed to pull out a UD. He was also recovering from food poisoning. He walked through those heavy bombs from Reid and barely even flinched. To suggest his chin is made of iron wouldn't be an understatement. Not that you did, but I like to point out of his many great qualities which make up his all-round genius in the ring.

Before the fight with Lacy, Jeff said "If you look at his fights, wouldn't you call him a slapper?". Two years later, and Lacy still hasn't recovered from the injuries and mental trauma sustained during his heavily one-sided loss to Joe. It's not inaccurate to say he ruined Jeff's career, as he hasn't been the same since.

Here's a picture to remind you:

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That's Jeff, bleeding from both eyes, nose and lips, of course, all damage caused by slaps to the face.

When he needs to turn it on, believe me, Calzaghe can bang. This was proven in the fight against Byron Mitchell (previously unbeaten and never knocked down until he met Joe), when Mitchell knocked him down in the second round. That was Joe's first knock down, too. If I remember correctly, Joe was up by the count of 3 and proceeded to KO Mitchell in the same round.

It's worth mentioning he also knocked down Chris Eubank in the first round. Some may argue that Eubank was too old. That's bullshit. Chris was only 31 and continued to fight for a while. One notable opponent happened to be a cruiserweight.

Quote from Eubank: "Joe is the proper article, a true warrior."

I agree with Chris.

11 of Joe's 44 professional fights have ended in first round. 7 of those 44 fights ended in the 2nd round. Only 11 of the 44 fights have gone the full 12 rounds.

Quote from Barry McGuigan: "He punches ferociously, moves superbly and has the best of the European technique and US aggression."

I agree with Barry.

I could also go on, but I think you get where I'm coming from by now. Do you honestly believe this man cannot punch his way out of a paper bag? And how long do you think you yourself would last in the ring with Joe Calzaghe?



good post:good calzaghe is personally my pound for pound number 1. biased or not. hes always stepped up to the plate and he will do against hopkins again. and hopkins did duck joe in his earlier days. and there was a reason for that. hes only fighting him now because hes expected to lose. which he will.



i am benjiabc i am the oficial jermain taylor nuthugger" this is supported by kelly the ghost pavlik"

[Bomber]

A voice of clarity is needed ladies and gentlemen. And a little insight into the subject, as a few myths and ego fueled wankery is occuring.

Firstly, It took me a while to walm to to Calzaghe. Id followed The middleweight division when I first got into boxing as It had the best, in my opinion group of fighters going.

Benn, Eubank, Jones, Hopkins, Toney, Watson, McCallum, Jackson, McClenan, Collins, Hill etc....

So when Calzaghe fought Eubank I didnt really give him a chance.Quite frankly I didnt rate Calzaghe, and thought even a Gunshy and far less aggresive version of Eubank would school this Welsh bitch back to the valleys.

But I hadnt expected Calzaghe to fight with the class and maturity he did. He showed a hell of a lot of class and bottle. So thus the Calzaghe era started. Not really bothering about him, I slowly noticed his quality yet doubted him. Silly me.

His carear has been one of quality and distinction. He is a fighter who has acheived a sucession of victories, and shown his definate class and talent.

Is it his fault that Toney Jones and Hopkins werent in his weight range, what is he supposed to do? If he was injured against Glen Johnson, well he is injured? Calzaghe was avoided by the former 3 fighters mentioned? Because they were terrified? No. Because they couldnt sort the money? No, ask Bernard that. He was avoided because the upside didnt meet the downside. Now that the tables have turned, has anyone noticed that every one and his dog want a piece of Joe now?

To claim that he lack the desire isnt right, To claim Frank ****** is a toadie who is scarred his fighters may see life beyond him? Very true, ask Hatton what his view is of Frank's fight making talents.

What many Americans of the uninformed disposition dont understand is that just because he has arrived late to the scene doesnt mean he isnt quality. Just because he isnt Ghetto, doesnt mean he is shit. Just because Max Kellerman doesnt want to cover him in oil and erotically rub his balls, doesnt mean he is shit.

If a American rugby or soccer player of top quality came onto the scene, Im pretty sure Europeans wouldnt start dissing him saying " Oh, he aint playing in Europe, he must be shit". Its this worrying xenophobia that taints Joe, Not his talents.

[McGrain]

I said this yesterday and i'll say it again today:

Joe is a great fighter. But he showed a frightening lack of ambition staying at 168, staying in the UK. You have to go to American to build a rep before you get fights like Hopkins/Jones, you don't just walk into them - unless you are willing to take the REALLY shitty end of the deal.

Now he has to life with his pissy resume. It's ok that he stayed at home for hugely supported banner fights, it really is, but what's not ok is for his fans to now claim that the resume weakness is not his fault because he was "ducked" - it is his fault, harsh but true.

Look at the Ricky Hatton model - go to the states fight some guys nobody but hardcore fans have heard off and then, after building your rep, get the best fighter in the world p4p. Something like this could have happened for Joe.

Check it out - he's finally off to the States and he's finally getting the biggest fight of his career. Shame it's six years to late.

[rusticraver]

i think calzaghes resume is pretty good tbh.

Look at some of the mugs Roy Jones fought? like that NYPD cop who didnt throw a punch!

[McGrain]

Look at some of the mugs Roy Jones fought? like that NYPD cop who didnt throw a punch!

But Jones also has Hopkins (top 60 all time, p4p) and Toney (top 150 all time p4p) as well as a belt all the way up at heavy - an astounding achievment, and often overlooked.

Calzaghe's resume pales by comparison, regardless of the fact that Jones (shamelessly) fought tomato cans on occasion.

[FRKO]

Just because Max Kellerman doesnt want to cover him in oil and erotically rub his balls, doesnt mean he is shit.

:lol:

Oh man.

[FRKO]

good post:good calzaghe is personally my pound for pound number 1.

Cheers Benji. Joe is personally my P4P #1 also.

[RealIzm]

Cheers Benji. Joe is personally my P4P #1 also.Holy shit FRKO...another day of madness at ESB:nut

[FRKO]

Holy shit FRKO...another day of madness at ESB:nut

Yup. :good

But who wants to be normal anyway?

[RealIzm]

Yup. :good

But who wants to be normal anyway?Agreed mate:lol: :lol: :lol:
You know I hate these threads that downplay Joes ability and resume...mainly because I know of the crazy shitstorm that follows:deal
Joe will beat Slopkins easily...I just wish he could do it by smashing his rocking chair across his face:lol: Joe KO via rocking chair smashing:yep

[OBCboxer]

People take this too far, what I'm saying is he isn't great in the sense of best Middleweight of all time.

[FRKO]

Agreed mate:lol: :lol: :lol:
You know I hate these threads that downplay Joes ability and resume...mainly because I know of the crazy shitstorm that follows:deal
Joe will beat Slopkins easily...I just wish he could do it by smashing his rocking chair across his face:lol: Joe KO via rocking chair smashing:yep

:lol:

[LiamE]

What I want to know is what's with all the praise with this guy, he beat one credible fighter who really is just one dimensional. I don't care if I'm goning to get blasted for saying this but come on. He wants to fight an over the hill Hopkins and Jones and call himself the greatest Super Middleweight ever! No way! I'll give him credit that he reached where he is now but he has fought NOBODY his whole career. Where was he when Jones and Hopkins were in their primes? Why did he defend his WBO title for 10 years fighting the Branko Sobot's and Charles Brewer's of the division. Who are those guys? Instead of fighting top fighters he fought some of the same Bums twice.

Joe Calzaghe earns my respect when he beats some prime fighters, who are real champs. He may be a hot fighter now because he has two belts but somebody will shut that shit down, that's if he grows a pair an fights somebody who is in their prime, and has a strategy.

When you try to disparage a fighter based on their oponents and then bring up Charles Brewer as someone you've not heard of you have just demonstrated you know dick about boxing.

[OBCboxer]

When you try to disparage a fighter based on their oponents and then bring up Charles Brewer as someone you've not heard of you have just demonstrated you know dick about boxing.

Hey, there was better competition out there. I really don't care what you say about me, I'm here to talk about boxing not to argue about one's knowledge of the sport. I'll give you the Charles Brewer thing, he was alright. He lost his belt to Ottke, a crooked fighter. But he wasn't excatly elite or close, a beltholder but when he fought Calzaghe he didn't have much left.

[TFFP]

Extremely poor post, characterized by a lack of knowledge

He has fought more than one credible opponent

It will take more than somebody in their prime with a plan to beat Joe Calzaghe. That could be virtually anyone, in which case you are terrible at analysing fighters

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[OBCboxer]

Extremely poor post, characterized by a lack of knowledge

He has fought more than one credible opponent

It will take more than somebody in their prime with a plan to beat Joe Calzaghe. That could be virtually anyone, in which case you are terrible at analysing fighters

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I can't take you seriously, you practice the religion of Calzaghe. You're one of the biggest nuthuggers of Joe Calzaghe. I already apoligized about overlooking some of his good opponents. But you're missing the point about this thread. Joe Calzaghe is good and I already gave him credit about where he is today. But he is by no means a top 50 ATG.

[TFFP]

I can't take you seriously, you practice the religion of Calzaghe. You're one of the biggest nuthuggers of Joe Calzaghe. I already apoligized about overlooking some of his good opponents. But you're missing the point about this thread. Joe Calzaghe is good and I already gave him credit about where he is today. But he is by no means a top 50 ATG.
Who said he is?

That's not to say he won't be come the end of his career ;)

[OBCboxer]

Who said he is?

That's not to say he won't be come the end of his career ;)

I agree with you there, but you should see some of his fans. He will if he beats the champs in his division as well as one in Light Heavy. such as Dawson.

[cappy781]

heres the bottom line...joe is a real good fighter but not a great..hopkins at his worst will give joe a hell of a time and hopkins knows this..you see all the punches joe can throw hopkins knows how to take them away thats why he wants to fight him..he did it to taver and a whole bunch of others..he can still move very well in there and everyone who has fought him as of late said the same thing DAMM HES HARD TO HIT!! so if joe cant land clean then good old joe is fucked

[Bodysnatcher]

I said this yesterday and i'll say it again today:

Joe is a great fighter. But he showed a frightening lack of ambition staying at 168, staying in the UK. You have to go to American to build a rep before you get fights like Hopkins/Jones, you don't just walk into them - unless you are willing to take the REALLY shitty end of the deal.

Very interesting comment.

You're basically admitting that Hopkins and Jones didn't want anything to do with Calzaghe because Calzaghe's US profile wasn't high enough, which is exactly what a lot of Calzaghe's defenders have been saying all along.

[Bodysnatcher]

I agree with you there, but you should see some of his fans. He will if he beats the champs in his division as well as one in Light Heavy. such as Dawson.

To be honest, I don't think Calzaghe will fight Dawson, I think he'd prefer to fight Pavlik.

That'll be especially true if Dawson dominates Johnson in 2 months time.

[OBCboxer]

To be honest, I don't think Calzaghe will fight Dawson, I think he'd prefer to fight Pavlik.

That'll be especially true if Dawson dominates Johnson in 2 months time.

I would like to see the Pavlik fight too. Joe would win IMO.