View Full Version : Joe Calzaghe at Heavyweight
McGrain
02-18-2008, 09:35 AM
Anyone care to speculate?
He's got speed. He's smart. He's hard to hit flush. He has an iron chin.
Could he ape Jones before he retires?
Nalian
02-18-2008, 09:36 AM
I actually reckon he could beat the weaker champions but not people like Wlad etc...
C HOP
02-18-2008, 09:39 AM
I was actully of thinking of this but he hasnt even beent ested at light heavy first and joes speed would definally be reduced carry all that excess weight and his punching power couldnt match up against several cruiserweights never mind heavyweights
PrideOfWales
02-18-2008, 09:43 AM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
RealIzm
02-18-2008, 09:44 AM
Anyone care to speculate?
He's got speed. He's smart. He's hard to hit flush. He has an iron chin.
Could he ape Jones before he retires?I like Joe but can we stop the madness already??
McGrain
02-18-2008, 09:48 AM
Then again, Slappy Joe could not do anything to bother any of the heavies, thus couldnt keep them off him
Joe picks his punches. That is to say, aware of his hand trouble, he may slap at Peter Manfredo, but would not at a HW. He takes the pain when he has to land the punch.
Of course, it all depends on the nature of the injury to his hand. I agree this would be a factor.
But remember we're talking about ONE fight for ONE belt up at this weight.
He'd get stopped?
Then again, Slappy Joe could not do anything to bother any of the heavies, thus couldnt keep them off him
You think he slaps? Get a clue. And stop following the stupid sheep-like mentality of reading other mis-informed idiots posts and get your own opinion. I apologize for being rude about it, but it's really starting to get sickening.
As for Joe at heavyweight... come on now, this is getting slightly ridiculous. On the other hand, I wouldn't count him out completely. What he would lack in power to put most heavies away he might make up with speed and movement to beat a few of them. Let's not forget, he beat Chris Byrd in the amateurs and he was the only man to do so.
I like Joe but can we stop the madness already??
:good PLEASE DO.
IF YOUR A CALZAGHE FAN DONT INTERTAIN THIS THOUGHT. JOE WOULD GET TRASHED WITH THESE BIG GUYS.
SURE HE CAN BEAT SOME OF THESE FAT NON ATHLETIC GUYS. BUT IF HE STEPS IN WITH ANY OF THE TOP 10. HE'S DONE.
Pacman vs. Wlad. How about this one?
I'll make a poll.
rusticraver
02-18-2008, 09:55 AM
With his heart and chin it would be very dangerous, be serious guys
Any time you hit a guy 1000 + times and DONT knock him out, then you are not a hard puncher. He hit Lacy with EVERYTHING and couldnt knock him out. How about you get a clue
How about you read this post and come back with a valid argument?
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Lacy was almost out on his feet against Calzaghe. Watch the fight again. Credit to Jeff for staying up, he's very strong. Calzaghe threw everything without breaking his hands.
Dude, watch the Manfrendo fight, the Lacy fight it dont matter how Jeff looked, he does not punch hard. Anyone who gets hit with 1000 punches would look like that (u would think worse). Imagine what would have happened if Bika or Bute or Kessler hit Lacy with 1000 punches. If you think he is a hard puncher, i suggest u open your eyes. Im not saying that he cant turn it off or on, im saying that he sometimes slaps, and even when he turns it on, he dont punch that hard. Acept it
No. Go away and learn.
China_hand_Joe
02-18-2008, 10:05 AM
Imagine how hard Calzaghe would punch at HW, he'd be creating micro black-holes and everything.
slo100
02-18-2008, 10:05 AM
I think he loses against any top ranked heavyweights, he just doesn't have the power to keep them off him, these men are conditioned to get hit by other big men and Joe just does not hit like a heavyweight.
He could become a world champ, easily
China_hand_Joe
02-18-2008, 10:07 AM
Calzaghe would easily be better than Skelton, who managed to at least compete with one of the champs.
BigBone
02-18-2008, 10:10 AM
I think Mijares has a better chance to beat Wlad because he's faster than Joe and has a better defense.
stupid thread
Lol, great response
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Thanks. :good
Whatever. I am sick and tired of arguing with people who have no intention of raising a rational, well constucted argument. And on that note, I'll leave this thread and go read some others. Take it easy mate. Welcome to ESB.
Why is it stupid?
Joe has the speed and boxing skill to clown these guys, with the exception of Wlad. For fucks sake, Matt Skelton got a world title shot
If he came in at 200 and retained his speed, he could beat the weaker beltholders, and it is at the very least worth discussing
ThePlugInBabies
02-18-2008, 10:22 AM
Why is it stupid?
Joe has the speed and boxing skill to clown these guys, with the exception of Wlad. For fucks sake, Matt Skelton got a world title shot
If he came in at 200 and retained his speed, he could beat the weaker beltholders, and it is at the very least worth discussing
no it isn't. joe would get splattered.
no it isn't. joe would get splattered.
Ok :roll:
IMO joe at light heavy is as big as he can go.
i think his walk around weight is 180 something and unless he used steroids he is not going to grow into a heavy.
i do not see him as a cruiser either.
ThePlugInBabies
02-18-2008, 10:26 AM
Ok :roll:
what's the highest ranked heavy you'd back him to take out?
I'd like to see him box Valuev. LOL.
RealIzm
02-18-2008, 10:28 AM
what's the highest ranked heavy you'd back him to take out?Splattered:lol: That would happen with any credible LHW let alone cruiser or heavy....And I would also love to know what heavy Joe would beat right now....Hey maybe Joe Mesi:lol:
what's the highest ranked heavy you'd back him to take out?
Chagaev or Ibragimov
Slow, like to counterpunch, don't like inside fighting, not especially hard hitting. They would be the ones I give Joe a chance
RealIzm
02-18-2008, 10:31 AM
Chagaev or Ibragimov
Slow, like to counterpunch, don't like inside fighting, not especially hard hitting. They would be the ones I give Joe a chanceThat's enough for me...thanks for ruining an already crazy thread TFFP:hi:
That's enough for me...thanks for ruining an already crazy thread TFFP:hi:
Sorry to bring some realism (no pun intended) to proceedings :D
ThePlugInBabies
02-18-2008, 10:33 AM
Chagaev or Ibragimov
Slow, like to counterpunch, don't like inside fighting, not especially hard hitting. They would be the ones I give Joe a chance
jesus fucking christ.
go seek help.
either that or read up on some of these boys amateur pedigree and watch some of their fights without joe playing on your mind.
BigBone
02-18-2008, 10:35 AM
Why is it stupid?
Joe has the speed and boxing skill to clown these guys, with the exception of Wlad. For fucks sake, Matt Skelton got a world title shot
If he came in at 200 and retained his speed, he could beat the weaker beltholders, and it is at the very least worth discussingDo I have to explain this?
De La Hoya, a natural WW and a terrific, speedy HOF fighter just put on 13 pounds and was dominated by a second rate world title holder, Sturm. He weighed in at 155 in the Hopkins fight - just 1 pound more than in the second Mosley fight - and was knocked out by the bigger Hopkins (156 at the scales).
Imagine Joe's putting on 32 lbs just to make weight and fighting 230+ lbs guys. They'd walk through fat Joe's light punches, Joe would find himself in a terrible disadvantage in height, reach and physical tools and HUGE punches would come to him breaking through his guard. One body punch would finish this fight.
While these ex-Soviet champions aren't looking spectacular, they are very tough, very hard hitting, very experienced champs who would crush Joe easily... not because they are better skilled – of course not – but they are HUGE for Christ’s sake! HUGE for Joe.
Just forget this sh*t. Joe's has to deal with the 175 limit and even that won't be easy... forget HW, that’s stupid. He’s facing the most recognized guy of his career anyway so there’s no bigger achievement than defeating P4P and HOF BHop.
RealIzm
02-18-2008, 10:38 AM
jesus fucking christ.
go seek help.
either that or read up on some of these boys amateur pedigree and watch some of their fights without joe playing on your mind.Seconded:good TFFP gets my vote for most dellusional Joe headgiver:deal by a longshot:lol:
ThePlugInBabies
02-18-2008, 10:40 AM
Seconded:good TFFP gets my vote for most dellusional Joe headgiver:deal by a longshot:lol:
i hope he's not being serious.
in a P4P sense i'd expect joe to slap the shit out of both of them (even if i am a big fan of chaggy). but this is reality, and joe is far too small to deal with guys that big and who are both fairly skilled boxers.
Fine, these world beaters all destroy Joe in round 1
You motherfuckers happy?!
I think I've still got some way to go to reach PacDBest's league of delusional nuthuggery
rendog67
02-18-2008, 10:50 AM
He could win fights at heavy like a lot of good champions in the weight classes just below, but it would not be worth the effort cause there is no way he is winning a title.
Steve Fox
02-18-2008, 10:51 AM
Would Joe Calzaghe beat The Rancor monster as featured in 'Return of the Jedi'? Personally I think the combination of Joe's speed, heart, chin and boxing skills would lead to a Lacy style beat down.
joe33
02-18-2008, 10:54 AM
Let him try if he wants to,id say he would not be able to take some iof the punches,but then again they gotta land them first,he would in the meantime have thrown a few dozen in between,and though they may not knock any one out,they would pick up points,problem is as soon as he stops and does take one,hes probaly out cold,if kessler can hurt him as he did a few times,some of the big fuckers would deck him
LennoxGOAT
02-18-2008, 10:59 AM
This is a joke.
Do you idiots not realize the only constant in littles moving up to heavyweight is John freaking Ruiz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Calzaghe would get hurt. Period.
PrideOfWales
02-18-2008, 11:01 AM
This is a joke.
Do you idiots not realize the only constant in littles moving up to heavyweight is John freaking Ruiz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Calzaghe would get hurt. Period.
You have to admit that prime Calzaghe would probably be too much for Lennox Lewis.
Which American heavyweight did Calzaghe beat as an amateur?
China_hand_Joe
02-18-2008, 11:03 AM
Fine, these world beaters all destroy Joe in round 1
You motherfuckers happy?!
I think I've still got some way to go to reach PacDBest's league of delusional nuthuggery
You can make a case for Calzaghe being a top 10 all time Heavyweight in all seriousness.
Lennox, Wlad, Foreman, Holmes etc all beat him easily (that is obvious) but Calzaghe vs Ali is 50/50 at worst.
magatte
02-18-2008, 11:04 AM
IMO joe at light heavy is as big as he can go.
i think his walk around weight is 180 something and unless he used steroids he is not going to grow into a heavy.
i do not see him as a cruiser either.
Calzaghe's walk around weight is 200+. He says it himself in a lot of interviews. He starts training at the Cruiserweight limit and boils down to 168.
He is naturally wide and heavy guy.
No question that he can fight at Heavy, he only needs to put on 10-15lbs.
Decebal
02-18-2008, 11:07 AM
Just because he does well against Macca in sparring (where they train for speed, not power) doesn't mean it's a good idea for him to go up to HW. He would be beaten badly by the best and by some with a hard punch. So what would be the point?
Decebal
02-18-2008, 11:08 AM
Calzaghe's walk around weight is 200+.
I heard 193.
Calzaghe is not made to fight at HW, imo. Even CW is pushing it, I think. Calzaghe is best around 175-180, but not more, I would say.
Steve Fox
02-18-2008, 11:13 AM
Joe did beat the next Mike Tyson, so effectively he's all ready been the undisputed HW champion.
Calzaghe stated recently (when he became sports personality of the year) that his usual weight is around 185. I have no idea where anyone gets 200+ from.
China_hand_Joe
02-18-2008, 11:27 AM
I heard his weight is 160 and gains muscle in the build up to fights.
I heard his weight is 160 and gains muscle in the build up to fights.
Now that's just SILLY!
China_hand_Joe
02-18-2008, 11:31 AM
Now that's just SILLY!
Boxing gives people muscles, of course he gains weight when in training camp.
PrideOfWales
02-18-2008, 11:32 AM
He walks around at around 14 stone. It says so on his Bebo page.
OK, if that's true then we're all wrong, pretty much. However, 160 pounds = no way. He does not need to gain weight to make SMW. Again, last time I saw him mention his weight he said he was around 185.
sthomas
02-18-2008, 12:22 PM
Not recommending that Joe move up to heavyweight, but it's been done many times.
Joe Choynski from the late 1800'sto early 1900's was fighting under 175 lbs, and KO'd future champ Jack Johnson in 3 rds. He weighed +/- 80 lbs. less than future champ Jefferies and fought to a draw.
Billy Conn was about 175 Lbs. in the first Joe Louis fight.
Michael Spinks made the jump from light heavy to beat Holmes @ Heavy.
Being 35-36 years is a concenr. It would not be Joe's smartest move, but I'd watch.
Larson
02-18-2008, 12:24 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Come ON :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
McGrain
02-18-2008, 12:26 PM
Do I have to explain this?
De La Hoya, a natural WW and a terrific, speedy HOF fighter just put on 13 pounds and was dominated by a second rate world title holder, Sturm. He weighed in at 155 in the Hopkins fight - just 1 pound more than in the second Mosley fight - and was knocked out by the bigger Hopkins (156 at the scales).
Imagine Joe's putting on 32 lbs just to make weight and fighting 230+ lbs guys. They'd walk through fat Joe's light punches, Joe would find himself in a terrible disadvantage in height, reach and physical tools and HUGE punches would come to him breaking through his guard. One body punch would finish this fight.
While these ex-Soviet champions aren't looking spectacular, they are very tough, very hard hitting, very experienced champs who would crush Joe easily... not because they are better skilled – of course not – but they are HUGE for Christ’s sake! HUGE for Joe.
Just forget this sh*t. Joe's has to deal with the 175 limit and even that won't be easy... forget HW, that’s stupid. He’s facing the most recognized guy of his career anyway so there’s no bigger achievement than defeating P4P and HOF BHop.
Yeah you're right, it's crazy. Imagine someone like Jones - who started at 154 ffs - all the way up at HW, taking out an established conteneder at HW. Fucking impossible.
Or a Welter like Mickey Walker stepping up and taking out the top contenders of his day. What kind of crazy bastard would belive that shit?
McGrain
02-18-2008, 12:27 PM
I heard 193.
Calzaghe is not made to fight at HW, imo. Even CW is pushing it, I think. Calzaghe is best around 175-180, but not more, I would say.
If he's walking about at 193 he could do 200 with some ease. How much speed would he lose? That's the question.
I think he'd be weiging more than Louis did when he won the title. I'd pick Louis to defeat every fighter currently active.
McGrain
02-18-2008, 12:34 PM
You can make a case for Calzaghe being a top 10 all time Heavyweight in all seriousness.
Lennox, Wlad, Foreman, Holmes etc all beat him easily (that is obvious) but Calzaghe vs Ali is 50/50 at worst.
:lol:
Still~style
02-18-2008, 12:46 PM
calzaghe isn't strong enough to fight at heavyweight. come on now.
11player
02-18-2008, 01:01 PM
I like Joe but can we stop the madness already??
Exactly my thoughts.
HW is for large, natural heavy and strong fighters, which Calzague is not.
Of course he could go for one lucrative fight, riding on his hype, just like Roy Jones did, against on of the smaller HWs, but I doubt it would net him more money than fighting Roy or the winner of Tarver/Woods, Dawson/Johnson.
Anyway, if he steps in the ring with a true top HW like Wlad or Vitali he will get embarrassed and seriouslly injured.
McGrain
02-18-2008, 01:02 PM
Anyway, if he steps in the ring with a true top HW like Wlad or Vitali he will get embarrassed and seriouslly injured.
Would you pick Roy Jones or Mickey Walker to beat either of these guys?
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