What's next for Bute after Joppy? [Archive]

Maxime

02-19-2008, 12:03 AM

I know Bute's shouldn't look passed Joppy even tho he will most likely win that fight. But I'm not Bute and neither are you so I guess it should be okay for us to look ahead.

I was foolishly hoping for a fight with Jermain Taylor for Bute but it looks like Taylor might be fighting RJJ.

Just a few months ago the name that was put forward as a possible opponent for Bute's second title defense was Librado Andrade. But that name is probably off the table now that Andrade will be fighting in an IBF Title Eliminator against Robert Stieglitz sometime in March.

In my opinion, Bute should try to land a fight with Jeff Lacy on the undercard of Mosley-Judah. Lacy is a GBP guy, he still has a name and it would help hype the fight with Andrade later in the year.

Bute - Lacy in May
Bute - Andrade in August or September

:deal

compukiller

02-19-2008, 12:30 AM

Bute will retire after the Mighty Joppy takes him to school. :D

geppy

02-19-2008, 12:41 AM

How is Joppy getting a title shot in the first place? Bute should have a better opponent.

Maxime

02-19-2008, 01:04 AM

How is Joppy getting a title shot in the first place? Bute should have a better opponent.
1. NOT RATED
2. Vitaly Tsypko - Injured
3. Jurgen Brahmer - In line for WBO eliminator or vacant title
4. Robert Stieglitz - IBF Eliminator against Andrade
5. Librado Andrade - IBF Eliminator against Stieglitz
6. Jean Pascal - Not interested... fighting Miranda next
7. Edison Miranda - Fighting Pascal
8. Mikkel Kessler - Wasn't ranked at the time the opponent was choosen and too dangerous for first defense.
9. Alejandro Berrio - Just got KOed by Bute
10. Sakio Bika - Lost to Bute in IBF eliminator
11. Jeff Lacy - Said no or was busy
12. Allan Green - Said NO!!!!!
13. Crisitian Sanavia - Unavailable
14. Danillo Haussler - Unavailable
15. Karoly Balzsay - Wasn't ranked

JustinD

02-19-2008, 04:34 AM

Allen Green said no to a title shot?...What an idiot, remember the days when guys like Hagler waited years and would of killed for that one shot?

Maxime

02-19-2008, 05:24 AM

Allen Green said no to a title shot?...What an idiot, remember the days when guys like Hagler waited years and would of killed for that one shot?

Yep! He turned down 3x the money he get for fighting on ESPN. :rofl

LFC

02-19-2008, 05:28 AM

He should fight Kessler, but he won't.

Decebal

02-19-2008, 07:03 AM

He should fight Kessler, but he won't.

He ain't ready. Kessler too good. No point throwing himself to the wolves for the sake of it. Bute said he hopes to be ready this time next year. This fight NEEDS to happen in 2009 - no excuses of any kind accepted.:good

Decebal

02-19-2008, 07:07 AM

Maxime, we both know it's not so much whom he should fight but whom he can fight.

Not a fan of a Lacy fight, to be honest, unless he fights four times this year, one of these fights being Taylor.

Pretty much the same goes for Allan Green; in fact, I'd prefer Green.

Next fight could easily be against winner of Andrade v. Stieglitz - the mandatory.

Miranda? Would he take it?

Taylor would be perfect, after Joppy, before Andrade, or after Andrade. If only Taylor would take it!:?

Pantera2000

02-19-2008, 12:00 PM

The truth is Miranda wanted the fight but Bute would not take it. That is why Miranda is fighting Pascal! Don't act like Miranda is busy. There is still no contract with Pascal, and there never was. It has just been talk since there are no other options.

Decebal

02-19-2008, 12:04 PM

The truth is Miranda wanted the fight but Bute would not take it.

:-(

You made that up!

Let's see a source for that, buddy!

Decebal

02-19-2008, 12:36 PM

Pantera2000

02-19-2008, 01:49 PM

Pantera2000, the only man Bute's ducked so far is Kessler; he said he wasn't ready for an opponent of his calibre; recently, he said he hoped he'd develop and improve enough by Spring 2009 to face someone like Kessler.

I am not saying Bute ducked him. I am saying that there was talk from Miranda's promoter to Bute's promoter and they could not get the fight to happen. Whether it was a financially or something else, I dont know. I just know that was one fight Miranda's team was looking into when Bute did not have an opponent and they couldnt make it happen.

I would tend to beleive it had to do with the fact that there was no TV coverage in the USA, and since they couldnt get that to happen there was not enough money for the fight.

Maybe I wordered it to harsh that 'Bute would not take it'. I should have said 'They could not make it happen'.

Decebal

02-19-2008, 01:54 PM

I am not saying Bute ducked him. I am saying that there was talk from Miranda's promoter to Bute's promoter and they could not get the fight to happen. Whether it was a financially or something else, I dont know. I just know that was one fight Miranda's team was looking into when Bute did not have an opponent and they couldnt make it happen.

I would tend to beleive it had to do with the fact that there was no TV coverage in the USA, and since they couldnt get that to happen there was not enough money for the fight.

Maybe I wordered it to harsh that 'Bute would not take it'. I should have said 'They could not make it happen'.

Miranda should have taken the title shot if offered, with or without a TV deal; I'm sure there was a lot of money on the table even without it. Bute is selling 13,000+.

Pantera2000

02-19-2008, 02:02 PM

Miranda should have taken the title shot if offered, with or without a TV deal; I'm sure there was a lot of money on the table even without it. Bute is selling 13,000+.

Like I said, I dont know the details. I know Miranda is far from being all about the money, he just wants the big fights and a title shot.

I would also imagine, since it was not a mandatory, that Bute's promoter would have demanded some options. This is something I highly doubt Warriors would give considering how highly they think of Edison and know he will get his shot at 168lbs soon enough.

Decebal

02-19-2008, 02:06 PM

Like I said, I dont know the details. I know Miranda is far from being all about the money, he just wants the big fights and a title shot.

I would also imagine, since it was not a mandatory, that Bute's promoter would have demanded some options. This is something I highly doubt Warriors would give considering how highly they think of Edison and know he will get his shot at 168lbs soon enough.

I don't know, but I would be surprised if they had asked for options. InterBox is not a big club and couldn't offer enough money to Miranda's promoter or enough of an incentive to Miranda to get them to sign an options deal.

Pantera2000

02-19-2008, 02:43 PM

I don't know, but I would be surprised if they had asked for options. InterBox is not a big club and couldn't offer enough money to Miranda's promoter or enough of an incentive to Miranda to get them to sign an options deal.

I know a lot how these contracts are made in boxing. Almost always a nonmandatory fight is given to a challenger only with options. (Quintana is a good example). This is done so the promoter can protect his title in case his fighter loses. Unless the challanger is a big name that can bring along more income (by bringing better TV money, etc) to the table than there is no incentive for the promoter to give his champion the tougher nonmandatory fight.

In Miranda's case, he has a decent name, but apparently he could not get HBO or SHO to give him the date and bring in the money for a fight with Bute. This is probably because Miranda, after the Pavlik loss, lost a decent amount of steam and HBO has little interest in Bute.

So, in a nutshell, there was no incentive for Bute's team to offer a fight to Miranda for any amount of money. They were better off getting an easier win for their man if Miranda's promoter was not giving up the options.

Decebal

02-20-2008, 07:21 AM

My ultimate wish/best case scenario list would be:

31st of May: Taylor on on the Mosley v. Judah Las Vegas card
20th of September: Andrade on the Mayweather v. de la Hoya card in Las Vegas
mid December: the best of Miranda/Green/Froch v. Inkin loser in Montreal
mid-late March 2009: KESSLER as the main attraction in Las Vegas
early June 2009 fight: contender in Montreal
September: Mundine or Froch v. Inkin winner in Montreal
February 2010: Pavlik in Las Vegas
May 2010: Pascal in Montreal:tired :tired :tired :tired :tired - dream on! Yes, I know!

But that would be amazing!!!

Faetter_BR

02-20-2008, 08:50 AM

well judging by the quality of his next opponent ... Hamdan would be a good bid ;)

Decebal

02-20-2008, 08:56 AM

well judging by the quality of his next opponent ... Hamdan would be a good bid ;)

Hamdan would be too dangerous, I think, after he cleans the floor with Mundine...:!:

Andrew Wake

02-20-2008, 08:59 AM

More Bute manlove from Maxime I see. There are other boxers in the world you know. All I hear from you is Bute this, Bute that. Get a life. Anyone would think you fancied the man.

Maxime wants to :tong :tong Bute

Decebal

02-20-2008, 09:04 AM

Bute is the most popular Candian fighter with the Canadian posters here on ESB, bar none. He is also more popular with non-Canadians. Even objective, good, experienced posters like sean like Bute a lot. Bute is a player at 168 but it's hard to match-make for him with all that's going on at the moment with everyone scrambling for Calzaghe's dropped belts, so it makes sense to "plan" ahead.

Why don't you get off Maxime's dick and post something useful?

2ironmt

02-20-2008, 09:34 AM

Decebal

02-20-2008, 09:39 AM

guys a title holder and he should've sucked it up and foght kessler if he was available. he's 27 and already fought top 10 guys like bika, his avoiding of kessler (assuming the fight could be made) shouldn't be condoned. joppy's a non credible opponent at 168 at this stage in his career - period.

He ain't good enough to have a decent chance against Kessler. Said so himself after the Calzaghe v. Kessler fight. So what would have been the point of fighting him? To prove it to the whole world? Him and his trainer think he can improve enough this year to have a good shot against Kessler, so they're taking their time.

Yes! Joppy fight is a DISGRACE! Joppy is shot and not even in his prime was he one of the best, yes. But, please suggest someone better Bute could have fought in his first gimme defence, except Kessler, whom Bute is ducking for now.

Hit me with some name that was considerably better than Joppy and could possibly help Bute get fights against hyped Americans like Taylor in the future.

They could have picked some good journeyman or a shot former champ like Joppy, who is a name in the US. Whom would you have picked?

No, I am not happy with Joppy! I wanted someone much better. And if InterBox come up with another Joppy-like fellow in the next fight, I will be scandalised, whether they have an excuse or not.

2ironmt

02-20-2008, 10:15 AM

He ain't good enough to have a decent chance against Kessler. Said so himself after the Calzaghe v. Kessler fight. So what would have been the point of fighting him? To prove it to the whole world? Him and his trainer think he can improve enough this year to have a good shot against Kessler, so they're taking their time.

Joppy is shot and not even in his prime was he one of the best, yes. But, please suggest someone better Bute could have fought in his first gimme defence, except Kessler, whom Bute is ducking for now.

Hit me with some name that was considerably better than Joppy and could possibly help Bute get fights against hyped Americans like Taylor in the future.

They could have picked some good journeyman or a shot former champ like Joppy, who is a name in the US. Whom would you have picked? i hear you and it makes sense business wise. i think they're being overly cautious IMO. Kessler's not prime Tyson, just a top smw in this current era. i guess bute's conceding he's ready to mix with the best of the current division (again kessler's not some certified ATG). sad he's a title holder. who's gonna watch the joppy fight in the us (where you say he has a name)? who's gonna give bute any respect for beating him at this stage -- probably few.

laffie

02-20-2008, 10:20 AM

Decebal

02-20-2008, 10:22 AM

i hear you and it makes sense business wise. i think they're being overly cautious IMO. Kessler's not prime Tyson, just a top smw in this current era. i guess bute's conceding he's ready to mix with the best of the current division (again kessler's not some certified ATG). sad he's a title holder. who's gonna watch the joppy fight in the us (where you say he has a name)? who's gonna give bute any respect for beating him at this stage -- probably few.

You'd be surprised! American fans seems to value victories about NAME have-been Americans more than against live, hungry, unbeaten, dangerous contenders. This is why Joppy is preferable from a business point of view to a Bozic, Sartison or Mendy. Hopefully, Joppy will have enough left in the tank to give Bute something to think about and learn from for 6-8 rounds.

But Bute is certainly NOT overcautious in not stepping up against Kessler. If you think he is, you are badly underrating Kessler. Kessler is borderline elite, or A- and Bute is no better than very good, or B+. Big difference.

Decebal

02-20-2008, 10:24 AM

Kessler had a hand injured anyway and was not available.

Kessler would have been available for a February fight against Bute, no problem! Kessler called Bute out, more or less, as early as last year; Bute passed. Kessler would have recovered from his hand injury and would have taken Bute on in Bute's back yard as early as end of February no problem, had he been given the chance. Kessler was desperate to fight Bute!

laffie

02-20-2008, 10:37 AM

Kessler would have been available for a February fight against Bute, no problem! Kessler called Bute out, more or less, as early as last year; Bute passed. Kessler would have recovered from his hand injury and would have taken Bute on in Bute's back yard as early as end of February no problem, had he been given the chance. Kessler was desperate to fight Bute!

Kessler came back to the gym last week...

Decebal

02-20-2008, 10:40 AM

Kessler came back to the gym last week...

Because he could't make a fight for this spring, so he took a long break.

They're all ducking him! Bute, Mundine, Wright, Lacy...all of them.

laffie

02-20-2008, 11:40 AM

Because he could't make a fight for this spring, so he took a long break.

They're all ducking him! Bute, Mundine, Wright, Lacy...all of them.

Kessler just got a hand surgery...

He was inviting Bute for the summer more than the spring, and yes, Bute declined. And yes, people don't rush to fight Kessler. As Froch avoided Bute.
A dangerous boxer without a title does have trouble to find good opponents. That's why Bute is stucked with Joppy. Interbox wanted visibility in the USA, he was the only one with a name who accepted. I don't like this fight more than you do, I did not buy tickets this time. But Bute is already inviting Taylor to fight him, so I'm not ready to say he's ducking good opponents.

Decebal

02-20-2008, 11:44 AM

Kessler just got a hand surgery...

He was inviting Bute for the summer more than the spring, and yes, Bute declined. And yes, people don't rush to fight Kessler. As Froch avoided Bute.
A dangerous boxer without a title does have trouble to find good opponents. That's why Bute is stucked with Joppy. Interbox wanted visibility in the USA, he was the only one with a name who accepted. I don't like this fight more than you do, I did not buy tickets this time. But Bute is already inviting Taylor to fight him, so I'm not ready to say he's ducking good opponents.

Only man Bute is ducking 168 and south is Kessler. However, he gave a strong hint that Kessler is the ultimate target for him, the man he hopes to fight one day - he hinted at spring 2009.

Kessler didn't just have hand-surgery, but he could have had that earlier, if he had found a fight or he could have postponed it after a fight...

...Kessler could and would have fought Bute, even as early as 29th of February.:good

Paulie

02-20-2008, 07:09 PM

Bute would beat Kessler right now but Kessler doesn't have a belt to fight for. So Bute's gonna wait until Kessler gets a belt...

Decebal

02-20-2008, 07:11 PM

Bute would beat Kessler right now but Kessler doesn't have a belt to fight for. So Bute's gonna wait until Kessler gets a belt...

Bute would almost certainly lose to Kessler right now.

Paulie

02-20-2008, 07:19 PM

Decebal...this is your opinion...

Decebal

02-20-2008, 07:23 PM

Decebal...this is your opinion...

Yes, and Bute agrees! He said: "I hope to be ready to face someone as good as Kessler this time next year [next Spring]!" This to me suggests he is not ready NOW!

Right?:D

TFFP

02-20-2008, 07:28 PM

Paulie knows Bute better than Bute knows himself

Fact

Paulie

02-20-2008, 07:30 PM

This is call respect to the man...Decebal...I think you will never know what is a real subtlety in the world of boxing...

Decebal

02-20-2008, 07:31 PM

Paulie knows Bute better than Bute knows himself

Fact

Unless Paulie is Larouche (Bute's trainer) this cannot possibly be true.

Larouche said: "I hope Lucian will be ready to face the calibre of opposition Mikkel Kessler represents next year. In the meantime, we need time to work on some things and improve." (I am paraphrasing)

Decebal

02-20-2008, 07:33 PM

This is call respect to the man...Decebal...I think you will never know what is a real subtlety in the world of boxing...

Maybe not. But when Bute says: "I am ready for Kessler!" and when he gets into that ring with him, I will take it he means he is ready to win, not just to do well. :good

Amsterdam

02-20-2008, 07:34 PM

Maybe not. But when Bute says: "I am ready for Kessler!" and when he gets into that ring with him, I will take it he means he is ready to win, not just to do well. :good

Bute can't beat Kessler, stylistically he has more a shot even against the great Calzaghe than that jab happy Viking.

Kessler TKO 8, brutality. Keep dreaming.

Paulie

02-20-2008, 07:36 PM

Let me tell you this Decebal...Went Bute gonna say :"I am ready for Kessler" Kessler will take with him at least one belt in the ring...

Decebal

02-20-2008, 07:37 PM

Bute can't beat Kessler, stylistically he has more a shot even against the great Calzaghe than that jab happy Viking.

Kessler TKO 8, brutality. Keep dreaming.

Then...I will be proud to know he did his very best against a great boxer and top-of-the-class nice guy!:D

No shame in losing to someone better, is there, Amsterdam?:good

Decebal

02-20-2008, 07:37 PM

Let me tell you this Decebal...Went Bute gonna say :"I am ready for Kessler" Kessler will take with him at least one belt in the ring...

I will start listening to you when you start wearing a Bute avatar. In the meantime::hi:

Amsterdam

02-20-2008, 07:39 PM

Then...I will be proud to know he did his very best against a great boxer and top-of-the-class nice guy!:D

No shame in losing to someone better, is there, Amsterdam?:good

Calzaghe never loses, so failure is not an option. Plenty of shame.

I'm just being pissy because I need sex BAD.:nut