Pavlik-Benn at 168

[SugarShane_24]

Since Pavlik has already fought at 168, we saw that he can carry the weight well and he will have no trouble fighting there.


What about a fantasy match-up between Pavlik against one of the hardest hitters in 168 history in the person of Nigel Benn.


Benn is probably underrated skillwise, as he is primarily a brawler who never resisted a rumble. His greatest asset is probably his heart, 10 rounds against McClellan proved that. On the other hand, he really isn't afraid to take one in the kisser, and against a puncher like Pavlik, who knows?


Your thoughts?

[brooklyn1550]

Benn would have blasted Pavlik into the ground, and that's being kind to Kelly.

[rr94]

Benn

[SugarShane_24]

I guess I forgot to mention that Benn has knocked guys out while on the verge of being stopped himself. Much like Gatti.

[brooklyn1550]

I guess I forgot to mention that Benn has knocked guys out while on the verge of being stopped himself. Much like Gatti.

True, Benn was an absolute warrior.

He would have too much firepower for Pavlik to handle

[Rock0052]

It'd be a war, but I haven't seen enough out of Kelly at the weight to make me pick against Benn.

[huki]

It wouldn't be much of a battle because Benn would knock Pavlik out early.

[Farmboxer]

Which Been would be fighting? He so not consistent. I used to watch him fight a lot and you never knew which Been would come out. However, Pavlik is still fighting at 160, so until he starts fighting as a 168 pounder, we can't really know.

[ThePlugInBabies]

:rofl

[MON]

Benn would KO him in the early rounds.

Benn was ferocious, Pavlik is methodical.

[toffeejack]

Benn by decapitation

[Metal Man]

Benn would have blasted Pavlik into the ground, and that's being kind to Kelly.

Benn was an awesome fighter,a fans fighter who on his best days could look like a cross between Dempsey and Duran,his one round war and destruction of Barkley an example of this,but he was also a fighter who'd have to be matched style wise.Patient,methodical boxers gave him trouble throughout his career.Eubank and Malinga the case in points.The patient approach behind a powerful jab Pavlik showed the other night would give Benn problems and Kelly has the power to keep Benn on the outside to tee off.The fight would be 50/50 for me and would ultimately come down to who could impose their style.Kelly though seems like an intelligent,tactical smart fighter who comes to the ring with a game plan and has the discipline to pull it off as opposed to Nigel who fought more on sheer emotion and heart.For this reason i would give the advantage to Pavlik.

[Arran]

:rofl :rofl :rofl .....Benn!!!

[stuistylee]

benn...no way is it 50/50...i think its more 8 outta 10 2 benn...

[ThePlugInBabies]

Benn was an awesome fighter,a fans fighter who on his best days could look like a cross between Dempsey and Duran,his one round war and destruction of Barkley an example of this,but he was also a fighter who'd have to be matched style wise.Patient,methodical boxers gave him trouble throughout his career.Eubank and Malinga the case in points.The patient approach behind a powerful jab Pavlik showed the other night would give Benn problems and Kelly has the power to keep Benn on the outside to tee off.The fight would be 50/50 for me and would ultimately come down to who could impose their style.Kelly though seems like an intelligent,tactical smart fighter who comes to the ring with a game plan and has the discipline to pull it off as opposed to Nigel who fought more on sheer emotion and heart.For this reason i would give the advantage to Pavlik.

with all due respect to kelly, he simply doesn't possess the jaw of eubank. 168 benn is a different animal to 160 benn as well. uses his brain a lot more and doesn't just go in hammering shots in like crazy like he did in the 160 years, he was a much more measured fighter at SMW. he also added a very effective low, bob and weave defence to his game, check out the g-man fight to see it in full effect.

[dangerousity]

If Taylor KD Pavlik on the 2nd, im inclined to think Benn could do the same but finish him. Benn was alot more explosive, carried alot more dynamite and was mentally alot tougher. His boxing skills are somewhat underrated too. Both Eubank & Benn would have beat Pavlik fairly easily IMO, not taking anything away from Pavlik but those guys were IMO a level above.

[rendog67]

I would go for benn if pavlik was in trouble in any sort of way like in the taylor fight, which im sure at some point he would be then benn would take him out. Kelly also throws bombs so he has a chance, it would be a great fight to watch.

[dangerousity]

I would go for benn if pavlik was in trouble in any sort of way like in the taylor fight, which im sure at some point he would be then benn would take him out. Kelly also throws bombs so he has a chance, it would be a great fight to watch.

Pavlik throws explosives but Geral Mclellan threw bombs, IMO more skilled too. If Benn could withstand him and score a tragic KO, its likely he could do the same to Kelly.

[rusticraver]

Benn KO's him 160 or 168

[Strangely Brown]

Depends who hit who first.

[rusticraver]

Depends who hit who first.

Pavvlik's hit's hard but he aint concussive.

[C7LBT]

Got to be Benn, awsome fighter

[Relentless]

benn would have ko'd hopkins too.

[196osh]

benn would have ko'd hopkins too.

Wouldn't go that far.

Benn KO3 Pavlik :yep

[brooklyn1550]

benn would have ko'd hopkins too.

Nah, Hopkins is too cagey, slick, and skilled for that to happen. He would outbox Benn and win pretty clearly. I wouldn't pick anybody to stop a prime Hopkins at middleweight.

[MrMagic]

You are selling Kelly short here.
For one, I think that Kelly's boxing skills are vastly underrated, because he has had a search and destroy run going now, but he really has a top jab(he would outjab Benn).. he has a GOOD defense, he moves his head good when told to do so, he keeps his hands up effectively.
I could see a Benn early TKO win, but if Pavlik weathers the storm, this will be a Miranda-type fight, with Pavlik coming on strong late, stopping Benn. Benn was a beast at both 160 and 168, but his boxing skills aren't as good as Pavliks, he's a brawler, his stamina is a big issue, and I'm going to lean on that, because Pavliks got defensive skills, and his jab is good stuff. Benn - Pavlik would be awesome though, I could see both men getting dropped and coming back strong.

Now, a guy like G-man, thats where you'd find Pavlik on his arse early, most certainly.

[MrMagic]

benn would have ko'd hopkins too.
No he wouldn't have...:blood

[rusticraver]

You are selling Kelly short here.
For one, I think that Kelly's boxing skills are vastly underrated, because he has had a search and destroy run going now, but he really has a top jab(he would outjab Benn).. he has a GOOD defense, he moves his head good when told to do so, he keeps his hands up effectively.
I could see a Benn early TKO win, but if Pavlik weathers the storm, this will be a Miranda-type fight, with Pavlik coming on strong late, stopping Benn. Benn was a beast at both 160 and 168, but his boxing skills aren't as good as Pavliks, he's a brawler, his stamina is a big issue, and I'm going to lean on that, because Pavliks got defensive skills, and his jab is good stuff. Benn - Pavlik would be awesome though, I could see both men getting dropped and coming back strong.

Now, a guy like G-man, thats where you'd find Pavlik on his arse early, most certainly.

Your selling Benn short, his head movement was tremendous and he could box when he needed too. His power was on another level to Pavlik as well.

Benns power was concussive. Pavlik is solid but accumalative

[MrMagic]

Your selling Benn short, his head movement was tremendous and he could box when he needed too. His power was on another level to Pavlik as well.

Benns power was concussive. Pavlik is solid but accumalative
It is, Benns power is superior to Pavliks!
But does Benn have the stamina to go 12 rounds with a guy that never lets him take a break.. given that Kelly does weather the early storm.
Benn did have headmovement, and he could box, but his jab wasnt all that, and just like Chris Eubank said, Nigel is a beast, but those muscles will need oxygen and when you've made him go to war, it will show late how good his stamina truly is.

[Snorkel]

You'd have to fancy Benn. Pavlik may have power, but it's more accumulative rather than explosive; his output coupled with his heavy hands get him his stoppages.

I think Benn would be able to use his superior speed to bob and weave his way in, get close to him and land bombs without taking too much damage. I don't think it would take too long before Pavlik's chin cracked because he's not exactly hard to hit and Benn could bang with the best of them.

That said, Benn wasn't blessed with an iron jaw either so Kelly couldn't be completely counted out either.

[Strangely Brown]

Pavvlik's hit's hard but he aint concussive.

If you hit hard on Benn's chin then you've a chance of getting him out of there.

To be fair to Benn he wasn't stopped too often given the guys he was in with but he was vunerable.

[ThePlugInBabies]

It is, Benns power is superior to Pavliks!
But does Benn have the stamina to go 12 rounds with a guy that never lets him take a break.. given that Kelly does weather the early storm.
Benn did have headmovement, and he could box, but his jab wasnt all that, and just like Chris Eubank said, Nigel is a beast, but those muscles will need oxygen and when you've made him go to war, it will show late how good his stamina truly is.

sorry mate, you're thinking of 160 benn. 168 went 12 in an intense gruelling battle with eubank and KO'd G-man in the 10th of one of the most brutal wars of the past 30 years. 168 benn was defensively very underrated and had calmed down and matured as a fighter, enabling him to go down the stretch with more confidence.

[MattyC808]

with all due respect to kelly, he simply doesn't possess the jaw of eubank. 168 benn is a different animal to 160 benn as well. uses his brain a lot more and doesn't just go in hammering shots in like crazy like he did in the 160 years, he was a much more measured fighter at SMW. he also added a very effective low, bob and weave defence to his game, check out the g-man fight to see it in full effect.

It works both ways Pavlik chin is alot better than Benns.

[CASH_718]

Pavvlik's hit's hard but he aint concussive.He doesn't need to be.

[ThePlugInBabies]

It works both ways Pavlik chin is alot better than Benns.

benn's chin isn't the greatest but the times he lost on stoppages can be misleading.

watson - he fought like an idiot and gassed out.
collins I - fucked up his ankle.
collins II - quit on his stool at the end of his career, was fucked post g-man.
eubank - stopped in a war.

benn's chin wasn't iron but his fighters heart and courage made up for it.

pavlik's chin is nothing special imo and that is not a good thing going into a fight with the dark destroyer.

[Haye]

It works both ways Pavlik chin is alot better than Benns.

How so?

Pavlik's chin is suspect, not by any stretch of the imagination is his chin good. Pretty much the same with Benn.

[Grievesy]

Benn would knock his block off.

[Smith]

Undoubtedly Benn would stop Pavlik. Im not selling Kelly short here, its just Nigel would give him a healthy beating at this stage of his career.

[Nigel_Benn]

Benn wouldnt let Kelly of the hook like Taylor did.

[TFFP]

You've got to be kidding

Look how many punches Pavlik took from Taylor. He wouldn't be getting up against Benn

[Bomber]

Nigel Benn was a league above Pavlik in Power, Head movement, Footwork, Conditioning( Towards the end), had great courage and a decent chin. One negitive though. He had a British passport.

[Rock0052]

A better fantasy matchup between the two would be at 160...that's a much tougher fight to call in my eyes because we've seen how effective Pavlik is at 160 and we've seen that Benn was more inconsistent there.

[john b]

benn's chin isn't the greatest but the times he lost on stoppages can be misleading.

watson - he fought like an idiot and gassed out.
collins I - fucked up his ankle.
collins II - quit on his stool at the end of his career, was fucked post g-man.
eubank - stopped in a war.

benn's chin wasn't iron but his fighters heart and courage made up for it.

pavlik's chin is nothing special imo and that is not a good thing going into a fight with the dark destroyer.

I thought he'd only fought collins once. Benn was more dangerous when he was getting leathered.

[john b]

BTW, back to the thread..Benn would have mauled him inside 5. And that is coming from a huge Pavlik fan.

I would have said 9 but your honesty is commendable.

[pjo479]

wishful thinking guys but i could see pavlik totally destroying benn too and im no pavlik fan but the kid has firepower in both hands

[TFFP]

wishful thinking guys but i could see pavlik totally destroying benn too and im no pavlik fan but the kid has firepower in both hands
:lol:

Sure you ain't

[john b]

I just feel Benn hits too hard for most of the guys that are looking for war.

True I mean eubank in their first contest at 160 had the right idea.TFFP whats happened to JC have you jumped ship to froch now.

[Bomber]

Not the old "If he was an American" thing again.....

No. due to him not being centred around the North American boxing circuit. He could have been Columbian or Canadian, as long as he gravited towards those circles.

As a result of him being based in Europe, he is viewed as lacking the required skills to be "elite", in some uninformed quarters.

[196osh]

wishful thinking guys but i could see pavlik totally destroying benn too and im no pavlik fan but the kid has firepower in both hands

:rofl :rofl

[john b]

wishful thinking guys but i could see pavlik totally destroying benn too and im no pavlik fan but the kid has firepower in both hands

Yeah but so did benn I mean taylor dropped pavlik in their first fight and i don't think taylor its as hard as benn did.

[Holmes' Jab]

Benn: KO5.

[CJLightweight]

benn by KO.. even eubank would KO pavlik

[Hatesrats]

I'd put my $ on Benn.

[Eubank]

Benn easly.

[Strike]

Anyone picking Pavlik is either insane or so bias it is untrue. Pavlik has been dropped several times by guys with nothing like Benns power, he was almost put away by an average puncher in Taylor and he is easy to hit.
Benn was a monstrous puncher and fast as hell too. He bobbed and weaved with great effect and was very very aggressive. He also went in there with faster, bigger hitters than Pavlik like McClellan and came back from the brink to fire back and keep soaking up bit shots to give his own.

He savaged the likes of Iran Barkley and fought at a level that Pavlik has not yet done. Pavlik has two high level names on his entire resume, Miranda and Taylor. It is way too early to even discuss this. If in 3 years time he is still unbeaten and has fought quality opposition then fine.

[CJLightweight]

this thread lacks a poll..:yep

i'm interested if any would pick on pavlik

[bratwurzt]

Depends if Eubank were here too :hey

[BITCH ASS]

Isn't Benn from England?

[jecxbox]

Benn survived 12 rounds with G-Man...wtf is Pavlik going to do lol? And I am a huge Pavlik fan but this is unrealistic. G-Man was 5x more deadly than Pavlik was and couldn't get him outta there.

[Minotauro]

Benn via KO, Pavlik is too open and would be able to handle Benn's power.

[BITCH ASS]

Is this the European rub their dicks together threads.

[bratwurzt]

No sorry mate - nothing to see here, try shirtlifters.com

[Strike]

Benn survived 12 rounds with G-Man...wtf is Pavlik going to do lol? And I am a huge Pavlik fan but this is unrealistic. G-Man was 5x more deadly than Pavlik was and couldn't get him outta there.

I agree that G-Man is a lot more deadly, but you got the result wrong. Benn did not go 12 with G-Man he stopped G-Man in the 10th round after being down twice himself. If you have not seen the fight, try and watch it mate, it was an absolute war.:good

[196osh]

Is this the European rub their dicks together threads.

Nice input champ.

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[mr_swagger]

Benn's performance against McClellan was one of the gutsiest I have ever seen and he was finished afterwards. He had more power than Pavlik, greater skills and by that point in his career had lost the naivety that cost him dear in his early fights against top level opponents. The man was amongst the most exciting fighters I have ever seen. If he could take 10 rounds of Mclellan (and believe me, that was the most brutal fight I have ever seen) he could have taken anything that Pavlik threw at him. As it is, I doubt if he would have needed to for that long. Benn had serious power (both Eubank and Collins have attested to this in interviews) and was an excellent finisher; he'd have likely knocked out Pavlik.

[warrior85]

BENN!!!&early,he would devastate pavlik!!

[loko]

Yeah, i mean i like Kelly i really do but Benn was an ANIMAL and he was easily one of the most exiting boxers of my lifetime.

Benn; brutal 5th round KO.

[john b]

I would rather see it at 160 because benn was at his most deadlest and dangerous. The only reason I see benn winnning this is because he as no trouble fighting against brawlers which pavlik his it was just purist boxers he had trouble with such as watson and Eubank.

[BENNY BLANCO]

Though I would pick Benn in this fantasy match-up it would be interesting to see how Benn would get through Pavlik 1-2 combo to land his famous uppercuts.

[john b]

Another reason why I see benn winning that fight his that taylor had him down and here is a bloke who couldn't knock winky wright out or another LMW in spinks but he troubled pavlik.

[TommyV]

Has anyone picked Pavlik so far in this thread?

Benn KO mid-rounds.

[joe the great]

I'd favor Benn but he'd have to get off the canvas like he did with the G-Man.

[ghostlybadge]

Benn would make a mess of pavlik KO 3 or 4

[tpuz]

This is a loaded question with all these Euro's in here. There is no way a Euro is going to believe or admit Pavlik could beat a retired countryman that was somewhat decent. There is no way to prove it since he is retired, so of course they will say he would have killed Pavlik. Truth is, Benn wasn't too good when he faced top opposition. To be honest, I think Edison Miranda and Benn are very, very similar.

[joe the great]

This is a loaded question with all these Euro's in here. There is no way a Euro is going to believe or admit Pavlik could beat a retired countryman that was somewhat decent. There is no way to prove it since he is retired, so of course they will say he would have killed Pavlik. Truth is, Benn wasn't too good when he faced top opposition. To be honest, I think Edison Miranda and Benn are very, very similar.
Benn is a two division champ he is much better than Miranda ever was or could hope to be. I would slightly favor Benn over Pavlik but it woulod be a war and one that Pavlik would've had a chance.

[TFFP]

This is a loaded question with all these Euro's in here. There is no way a Euro is going to believe or admit Pavlik could beat a retired countryman that was somewhat decent. There is no way to prove it since he is retired, so of course they will say he would have killed Pavlik. Truth is, Benn wasn't too good when he faced top opposition. To be honest, I think Edison Miranda and Benn are very, very similar.
Edison Miranda and Nigel Benn?

Kill yourself.

[tpuz]

Benn is a two division champ he is much better than Miranda ever was or could hope to be. I would slightly favor Benn over Pavlik but it woulod be a war and one that Pavlik would've had a chance.Spoken like an unbiased American.

[mr_swagger]

This is a loaded question with all these Euro's in here. There is no way a Euro is going to believe or admit Pavlik could beat a retired countryman that was somewhat decent. There is no way to prove it since he is retired, so of course they will say he would have killed Pavlik. Truth is, Benn wasn't too good when he faced top opposition. To be honest, I think Edison Miranda and Benn are very, very similar.



I don't buy what you are saying at all. I am happy to admit that I have seen far more Benn fights than Pavlik's. However, the young Benn was a very naive fighter who thought he could blow away the opposition and was not tactically astute enough to beat higher level opponents. The Benn post Mclellan was shot. The period inbetween, Benn was a hell of a fighter that had an indomitable spirit, skills and serious KO power. Pavlik has been hurt badly by people who did not have Benn's power. In addition, if this had turned into a war, ala the Mclellan fight, that night proved really that Benn, by that point in his career, was likely to come out of such an encounter on top. Pavlik punches nowhere near as hard as Mclellan and, judging by G Man's unbelievably brave display that night, I doubt if Pavlik's chin is comparable either.

Perhaps Pavlik would beat Benn but my opinion has nothing to do with European bias. I also see very few similarities with Edison Miranda. They both punch very hard but Benn has a decent resume and beat some very good fighters, and some in their own back yard. Miranda has been found out at the highest level and and has arguably a weak chin. Mclellan was supposed to blow Benn away and he clearly punched harder than Benn but Benn proved on that night that he had the fighting spirit to come through such a war. He could definitely take Pavlik's shots. Perhaps Pavlik could take his but I'm inclined to think that this would not be the case.

[tpuz]

Edison Miranda and Nigel Benn?

Kill yourself.Spoken like a typical biased Euro.
Thanks for proving my point.

[fidds]

Though I would pick Benn in this fantasy match-up it would be interesting to see how Benn would get through Pavlik 1-2 combo to land his famous uppercuts.

If you watch Benn fight in his prime he ad great movement from his waist, and bob left to right under punches and come up through with hooks and uppercuts.

I think benn stops kelly but in a war, not a 100% gimme for Benn as he can be buzzed watch the logan fight.

[TFFP]

Spoken like a typical biased Euro.
Thanks for proving my point.
No, its just completely and totally ridiculous.

Benn has wins over DeWitt in his backyard, Barkley, McClellan, hard fought wars with Eubank and solid wins inbetween. Miranda has done SHIT, and got knocked out both times he fought a world class contender.

That aside, if you actually remove your boyfriends balls from your eyes and watch there are virtually no similarities.

[Rock0052]

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