Looks like Kessler (or his promoter) want Choc again!

[daz52]

I suppose they figure its the best way to get Kessler back in the mix... They must figure with Calzaghe going up to 175 he will vacate all titles thus making Choc's not a regualr belt but the only WBA belt and if they win that hes a champ again? But i heard even though hes going up to 175 (Calzaghe) he still keeps his belts? I duno lol

"Danish promoter Mogens Palle isn’t holding back any punches. He thinks that the WBA having Anthony Mundine as their super middleweight world champion is unacceptable. “The opponents Mundine has been fighting recently. It looks a like a joke,” he said.

Palle spoke to SecondsOut on Sunday by telephone from his hotel room in Las Vegas. He made it clear that his boxer Mikkel Kessler, the former WBA/WBC world champion, wants his old belt back. “Of course Mikkel is ready for a rematch,” he said.

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[silvy_chris]

true too, mundine needs to step it up a level and has needed to for some time now

[Rise Above]

Mundine will demand some ridiculous amount of money so he can avoid being beaten by Kessler again.

[IrnBruMan]

Interesting point about the WBA deciding in late 2007 that they would no longer have a superchamp/regular champ hierarchy...looks like Mundine can't rely on fighting for a vacant second tier belt a 3rd time once he loses this one.

[stuistylee]

if mundine is serious about being the boss at 168 you would think he should be the one calling out mikkel...

[oztriker]

if mundine is serious about being the boss at 168 you would think he should be the one calling out mikkel...


Exactly:thumbsup

[Dojo]

Good. Hope it happens.

[Steel Kelly]

Mundine will lose to Kessler again, thus ending his career...oh happy day!

[maco_187]

lol no way mundine will fight him, but honestly choc should say fuk this and go for world fame, honestly he could retire ten times over from the money he has made, why not test his skills out against the world best, and i mean really the worlds best, entice them to cme her put australia back on the map, therefore creating more money for other fighters.....

[teke]

Mundine can beat that robot. He will know how to deal with this 1-2 merchant this time around :deal

I think i might borrow some womens underwear and snap a pic of myself in it if he loses :yep (will dwell on this idea and get back to you later) :yep

Here comes the ppl to tell me "Joe just beat Mikkel how the hell will Anthony blah blah blah" :blabla:blabla

Shit i hope this fight happens, Mundine is a VERY live underdog :happy:happy:happy

[Bomber]

Well Mundine wasnt going to go looking for the contest, so they came looking for him. Quite frankly, Kesslers team see a easy way back into the spotlight. They obviously have "The Man" down like many others do as a paper champion and fancy their chances. So do I. I hope It comes off.

[teke]

Being a big fan of Mundines ability i dont even care if he loses again, all i want is for Mundine to make the fight closer than the first which indeed he will.

The myth that Kessler was 35.4% fit in the first fight will be put to sleep finally :yep

[JOSEY WALES]

A definate step in the right direction , kessler should be handed the "REAL WBA TITLE "when Calzaghe steps down as the "REAL WBA CHAMP" , and Mundine forced to fight Kessler for it if he wants to be called a "REAL CHAMP" , This fight should be held in Denmark also , If Mundine refuses or prices himself out of this fight to Continue fighting Cabbies then he will be rightly known throughout the world as a shit house with a Toys "R" Us belt .

[ipswich express]

Kessler by KO or easy UD. Mundine's recent level of competition will be his undoing.

[JOSEY WALES]

Kessler by KO or easy UD. Mundine's recent level of competition will be his undoing. Express , Ive been saying for while now that choc's level of opponent will come back to haunt him , I reckon he should fight a warm up v Bika first to ease himself back into word class level fighting just to give himself a fair chance of beating Kessler, we all know he is talented but whole Career rest on his next decision , Fight or Flight ?

[kel]

i'd like to see Mundine fight a better level of opponent before taking on Kess again, maybe someone like Carl Froch etc

The Argies and Hamden r not good lead up fights to a rematch with the 2nd best SMW over the last 10yrs.

[Kegsy]

Mundine wont want anything to do with Kessler.

[Barge FTA]

Do you think United States TV would take this fight live?

[Kegsy]

Do you think United States TV would take this fight live?Maybe, but i wouldnt hold my breath.

[CarltonBlues]

Do you think United States TV would take this fight live?

No chance Calzaghe Kessler was a ratings flop over there. Unless Choc burns their flag or something no one will tune in.

[Barge FTA]

i think Choc will offer Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor big cash to fight him on American TV. If it isn't going to be shown in America, i don't think Choc will risk it. After Hamden, he will have four options:

Danny Green in Perth
Sam Soliman in Melbourne
Mikkel Kessler in Sydney
or a fight in the US.

If the WBA force him to fight Jurgen Brahmer, i think he will step up in weight to light heavy. i don't think he'll fight him. too much risk, not enough reward.

[VIP]

He should take this fight. He certainly has the ability to beat Kessler. He's really at the stage where he needs to make something happen and soon. It's time to put up or shut up.

[teke]

whats with all this Choc will suffer because of Argie cabby he has been facing. Pretty sure he knows this and is doing the hard work in the gym. Do you honestly think he doesnt know fighting 3 blokes over a combined 18rds or so in 18 months will will effect him.

[Marcus]

Choc better get in better shape than his last fight, he looked soft.

And $50 PPV for his fight with Hamden .................. :-(

They are even offering a encore show at the same price 3 days later.

This guy is a greedy cunt.

[IrnBruMan]

whats with all this Choc will suffer because of Argie cabby he has been facing. Pretty sure he knows this and is doing the hard work in the gym. Do you honestly think he doesnt know fighting 3 blokes over a combined 18rds or so in 18 months will will effect him.

Do you honestly think just knowing his quality of opposition in the last year or so pathetic is enough?

Is Mundine some sort of supernatural being who doesn't need ringtime to stay on top of his game?

You think gymwork and sparring is enough to keep him in 'regular world champion' shape? :lol:

[ipswich express]

whats with all this Choc will suffer because of Argie cabby he has been facing. Pretty sure he knows this and is doing the hard work in the gym. Do you honestly think he doesnt know fighting 3 blokes over a combined 18rds or so in 18 months will will effect him.

Um...yes.

[teke]

You think gymwork and sparring is enough to keep him in 'regular world champion' shape? :lol:yes if he is sparring quality partners

[IrnBruMan]

yes if he is sparring quality partners

then it begs the question "Why isn't he facing quality fighters in his fights if he's facing them in the sparring ring?"

[JOSEY WALES]

then it begs the question "Why isn't he facing quality fighters in his fights if he's facing them in the sparring ring?" Who are these quality sparring partners Mundine is facing that will get him back to being a battle hardened World class operator ? Its a well known fact in the sport if you fght guys below your level then sooner or later you start preforming to that level , Mundine would be a fool to step up against the likes of Bute , Kessler even Froch or Inkin without first tuning up v someone like Bika imo , The problem he has is that given Bika's recent level of dance partners Bika could prove too stern a test .

[ashley]

Who are these quality sparring partners Mundine is facing that will get him back to being a battle hardened World class operator ? Its a well known fact in the sport if you fght guys below your level then sooner or later you start preforming to that level , Mundine would be a fool to step up against the likes of Bute , Kessler even Froch or Inkin without first tuning up v someone like Bika imo , The problem he has is that given Bika's recent level of dance partners Bika could prove too stern a test .

I agree with most of the post....Mundine needs better fights before fighting Kess or similar.....but I think Mundine is 2 quick for Bika.....Bika will get beaten because Mundine will hit and move and wont be drawn into a fight.

[Lead Right]

The reason Mundine has been fighting who he has fought is because Nevis was a safty first, first defence, and Clevero was a saftey first post nearly lost vision fight.

Given what Mundine has delt with, he would have been stupid to face anyone else.

[Rise Above]

The reason Mundine has been fighting who he has fought is because Nevis was a safty first, first defence, and Clevero was a saftey first post nearly lost vision fight.

Given what Mundine has delt with, he would have been stupid to face anyone else.

Whats his excuse for a past his best Hamden as his next fight ?

[VIP]

While it helps to continually fight top opposition to stay sharp, it all comes down to rising to the occasion. Mundine has shown he is able to do this against Green, Soliman. The question is can he keep this going? Hope Kessler-Mundine gets made or if not Mundine against any other top fighter besides Soliman, Green would be a good start.

There's no excuses really for fighting Hamden at this stage.

[teke]

then it begs the question "Why isn't he facing quality fighters in his fights if he's facing them in the sparring ring?"We both know that answer...most money for least effort.

[JOSEY WALES]

IF Mundine Ducks kessler then we will know he's just Content in walking around with a plastic belt and signing autographs making out he is champion when he clearly isn't a champion of anything , That WBA title is owned by Calzgahe and Kessler in the eyes of the world is # 2 .. If Mundine fought and beat that cobby cunt Carl Froch for the commomwealth title he would be considered a champion of something ,The words Mundine and World champion don't really belong together in the same sentence in the minds of boxing fans worldwide , Has any Aussie interviewer atually interviewed him and asked what he's playing @ Hoodwinking Aussie boxing fans by charging then $50 AU to watch him fight his mate from down the Mousque ?

[IrnBruMan]

The reason Mundine has been fighting who he has fought is because Nevis was a safty first, first defence, and Clevero was a saftey first post nearly lost vision fight.

Given what Mundine has delt with, he would have been stupid to face anyone else.

Absolute bullshit Fagin, and you know it - Mundine's eye was NEVER as bad as they made out, and he wouldn't have been sanctioned to fight Clavero if his vision hadn't been 100%.

[IrnBruMan]

While it helps to continually fight top opposition to stay sharp, it all comes down to rising to the occasion. Mundine has shown he is able to do this against Green, Soliman. The question is can he keep this going? Hope Kessler-Mundine gets made or if not Mundine against any other top fighter besides Soliman, Green would be a good start.

There's no excuses really for fighting Hamden at this stage.

Mundine never "rose to the occasion" against Ottke, Kessler or even Siaca.

[ashley]

Mundine never "rose to the occasion" against Ottke, Kessler or even Siaca.

Thats a bit tuff Muttley...Mundine put on a great show against Ottke in his 11th fight against a world champ before he got KTFO and also a great show against Kessler because he walked out of the ring...look at what Kess did to Buyer in 3 rounds. Ok the Manny fight was shit but the other two fights were good performances while getting beaten.

We all want mundine to fight a real top fighter soon so we can bag the shit out of him if he gets beaten or say nothing if he wins.

[IrnBruMan]

Thats a bit tuff Muttley...Mundine put on a great show against Ottke in his 11th fight against a world champ before he got KTFO and also a great show against Kessler because he walked out of the ring...look at what Kess did to Buyer in 3 rounds. Ok the Manny fight was shit but the other two fights were good performances while getting beaten.

We all want mundine to fight a real top fighter soon so we can bag the shit out of him if he gets beaten or say nothing if he wins.

So Mundine, this apparent world class, supreme athlete, god's gift to boxing, gets brownie points just for survivng 12 rounds with Kessler? Even though he pretty much fought ultra-defensively and ran for most of the fight, apart from the odd 15-20 seconds worth flurry of punches every 3rd round or so?

I hope you are also willing to concede that Kessler wasn't 100% when he fought Mundine - it would only be fair :hey

[teke]

This rematch is gonna be gooood

[pecks]

IF Mundine Ducks kessler then we will know he's just Content in walking around with a plastic belt and signing autographs making out he is champion when he clearly isn't a champion of anything , That WBA title is owned by Calzgahe and Kessler in the eyes of the world is # 2 .. If Mundine fought and beat that cobby cunt Carl Froch for the commomwealth title he would be considered a champion of something ,The words Mundine and World champion don't really belong together in the same sentence in the minds of boxing fans worldwide , Has any Aussie interviewer atually interviewed him and asked what he's playing @ Hoodwinking Aussie boxing fans by charging then $50 AU to watch him fight his mate from down the Mousque ?To be fair, Mundine wouldn't be the only guy around that wants zero to do with a beltless Kessler. If he isn't Mundine's mandatory, then it's a smart move for Mundine to avoid him.

[Faetter_BR]

This rematch is gonna be gooood

Yep just a shame Mundine got to be 40 before growing enough b*lls for it :D

Mundine is a decent fighter - but his opponents suck bigtime ... his next opponent got his ass handed to him by an old and rusty Larsen! Larsen's 3th fight after a 3 year lay-off. Larsen who most people here doesn't even consider top10 - Larsen beat Hamdan 8 rounds to none and had him down in round 3.

And Mundine is charging 50$ for this fight - sorry guys but that's a joke - and a bad one of those...

But 41 years old Ottke is coming out of retirement after loosing KO to his ex-wife ... might be time for Mundine to start calling for a rematch...

[JOSEY WALES]

To be fair, Mundine wouldn't be the only guy around that wants zero to do with a beltless Kessler. If he isn't Mundine's mandatory, then it's a smart move for Mundine to avoid him.Come on Mate , Mundine is as belt less as kessler in the real world , the only fight either Mundine or Kessler should be contempating is one involving each other . This WBA regular shit is just that .... Shit , if Mundine is content fighting lesser blokes home in Austarlia making money fair enough but he ain't a world champ of anything in 99.9 % of the Boxing worlds eyes . surly even the most devoted Choc fan knows this is the reality of things ? Regards Josey Wales

[Barge FTA]

Come on Mate , Mundine is as belt less as kessler in the real world , the only fight either Mundine or Kessler should be contempating is one involving each other . This WBA regular shit is just that .... Shit , if Mundine is content fighting lesser blokes home in Austarlia making money fair enough but he ain't a world champ of anything in 99.9 % of the Boxing worlds eyes . surly even the most devoted Choc fan knows this is the reality of things ? Regards Josey Wales

Anthony Mundine is a champion, because most other fighters want to fight him for his belt. In my mind, that determins the value of a belt.

[pecks]

Come on Mate , Mundine is as belt less as kessler in the real world , the only fight either Mundine or Kessler should be contempating is one involving each other . This WBA regular shit is just that .... Shit , if Mundine is content fighting lesser blokes home in Austarlia making money fair enough but he ain't a world champ of anything in 99.9 % of the Boxing worlds eyes . surly even the most devoted Choc fan knows this is the reality of things ? Regards Josey WalesIn my mind he isn't a champion, but he is recognized as one, as unfortunate as that may be.

All I'm saying is that I can understand why he (or any other champ out there) wouldn't want anything to do with offering Kessler a voluntary fight for the belt.

Mundine should definitely step it up though, but he shouldn't be crucified for not chasing Kessler, as theres many other fighters out there that would do the same.

[JOSEY WALES]

Anthony Mundine is a champion, because most other fighters want to fight him for his belt. In my mind, that determins the value of a belt. Horse shit who is the WBA champion ? not mundine thats for sure ..:deal

[JOSEY WALES]

In my mind he isn't a champion, but he is recognized as one, as unfortunate as that may be.

All I'm saying is that I can understand why he (or any other champ out there) wouldn't want anything to do with offering Kessler a voluntary fight for the belt.

Mundine should definitely step it up though, but he shouldn't be crucified for not chasing Kessler, as theres many other fighters out there that would do the same. If he wants to be considerd a real champion he needs to actually win the soon to be vavted WBA real title . this WBA regualr shit is just a bogus title handed to him because the WBA will be happy reaping sanctioning fees everytime he fights an argie road sweaper . no matter how much you dress it up Gav that is all it is , The WBA knew Kessler intended to make an attempt to Unify with Calzaghe and this was their insurance just in case he lost , Calzaghe having their belt meant a loss in revenue and Mundine fighting cabbies ensured they didnt lose any dough . if anyone cant see this then there really isnt any hope discussing it as they are obviously ,Lost in space ...

[pecks]

If he wants to be considerd a real champion he needs to actually win the soon to be vavted WBA real title . this WBA regualr shit is just a bogus title handed to him because the WBA will be happy reaping sanctioning fees everytime he fights an argie road sweaper . no matter how much you dress it up Gav that is all it is , The WBA knew Kessler intended to make an attempt to Unify with Calzaghe and this was their insurance just in case he lost , Calzaghe having their belt meant a loss in revenue and Mundine fighting cabbies ensured they didnt lose any dough . if anyone cant see this then there really isnt any hope discussing it as they are obviously ,Lost in space ...

First of all, I'm not Gav.

Secondly, to my knowledge, the WBA belt when vacated, will go straight to Mundine. He will not need to fight anyone for it.

The vacant title fight was organized once Kessler had unified against Beyer, not when the WBA knew Kessler would be facing Calzaghe, the it still follows your same belief that it was created so they (WBA) can get extra sanctioning fee's.

I don't agree with the situation either, but it's futile to try and change the situation on a message board.

[CarltonBlues]

Mundine has the WBA world title, when Joe vacates his WBA Super dooper title Mundine will still have the WBA world title. It is not an interim belt.

[Bomber]

But how much value is in a title thats handed to you. Fighters make titles, not vice versa.

[BoxingKangaroo]

i think Choc will offer Winky Wright or Jermain Taylor big cash to fight him on American TV. If it isn't going to be shown in America, i don't think Choc will risk it. After Hamden, he will have four options:

Danny Green in Perth
Sam Soliman in Melbourne
Mikkel Kessler in Sydney
or a fight in the US.

If the WBA force him to fight Jurgen Brahmer, i think he will step up in weight to light heavy. i don't think he'll fight him. too much risk, not enough reward.

winky wright wont take the fight because he is a greedy cunt, mundine wont have the coin to get him. winky would spank him all the way to a wide ud anyways. im pretty sure he fights green in perth around july/august at lhw.

[BoxingKangaroo]

Mundine has the WBA world title, when Joe vacates his WBA Super dooper title Mundine will still have the WBA world title. It is not an interim belt.

it is an interim belt just called something else, he is the secod best fighter walking around with a wba smw title, thats interim enough for me.:deal

[CarltonBlues]

it is an interim belt just called something else, he is the secod best fighter walking around with a wba smw title, thats interim enough for me.:deal

No it's not.

[Faetter_BR]

What about Mundine - Mads Larsen?

Larsen is only 35 years old and has won his latest 5 fights - he doesn't fit the profile of a Mundine opponent...

jokes on Mundine's despece aside - I think that fight would be pretty unlikely - Larsen is proberbly fighting Sanavia for the EBU-title in Germany. Sauerland is building Larsen in Germany. I just don't think that there is enough money in Mundine-Larsen to make it relevant.

[Faetter_BR]

All I'm saying is that I can understand why he (or any other champ out there) wouldn't want anything to do with offering Kessler a voluntary fight for the belt.

Mundine should definitely step it up though, but he shouldn't be crucified for not chasing Kessler, as theres many other fighters out there that would do the same.

Normally I'd agree - but when "the man" keeps talking shit like I'm the best - I'm p4p bla bla and then goes on to fight capdrivers - then I think it's fair to go after the man...

Take Bute - he is a real champ and he has said it clearly - he don't consider himself ready for Kessler yet - hence he hasn't called him out.

If Mundine really believes his own words he should be trying to make a rematch to redeam his loss and become a real champion... he isn't...

[JOSEY WALES]

First of all, I'm not Gav.

Secondly, to my knowledge, the WBA belt when vacated, will go straight to Mundine. He will not need to fight anyone for it.

The vacant title fight was organized once Kessler had unified against Beyer, not when the WBA knew Kessler would be facing Calzaghe, the it still follows your same belief that it was created so they (WBA) can get extra sanctioning fee's.

I don't agree with the situation either, but it's futile to try and change the situation on a message board. Correct the bogus title was set up AFTER kessler unified the WBA & WBC because the WBA knew kessler was a proper champion and would be determine in his quest to unify thus robing them of sanctioning fees should he lose to Calzaghe because Calzaghe has designs on moving north and would be as he is now holding their belt in limbo like the WBC and WBO titles and robbing them of revenue from sanctoning fees . so they created a seondary bogus title knowing their finances would be assured because Mundine would be content paying them if he was allowed to prance around aussie calling himself a champ and fighting cans , I realise this we as the punter hve o say in this mater or than voting with our feet and the Aussie boxing public should be doing just that thus denying The BA & Mundine any money for fih bogus fighters for a bogus belt , the wbaare setting a dangerous president here imo ,Just imagine if we had 8 blokes walking arounnd alling themselvers THE MAN ..Ps sorry i thought you were that retard Gavin (Aka The Man fan ) ,The bloke who used to post poetry on the main board in support of Mundine , If your not him then My bad ,

[JOSEY WALES]

Sorry asbout the number of TYPO's there, new laptop and its got a key board more suited to a piano player ,

[dwilson]

Kessler needs a "gimme" after his loss to Calzaghe. This would be good for him before setting off to fight some serious competion.

[teke]

Correct the bogus title was set up AFTER kessler unified the WBA & WBC because the WBA knew kessler was a proper champion and would be determine in his quest to unify thus robing them of sanctioning fees should he lose to Calzaghe because Calzaghe has designs on moving north and would be as he is now holding their belt in limbo like the WBC and WBO titles and robbing them of revenue from sanctoning fees . so they created a seondary bogus title knowing their finances would be assured because Mundine would be content paying them if he was allowed to prance around aussie calling himself a champ and fighting cans , I realise this we as the punter hve o say in this mater or than voting with our feet and the Aussie boxing public should be doing just that thus denying The BA & Mundine any money for fih bogus fighters for a bogus belt , the wbaare setting a dangerous president here imo ,Just imagine if we had 8 blokes walking arounnd alling themselvers THE MAN ..Ps sorry i thought you were that retard Gavin (Aka The Man fan ) ,The bloke who used to post poetry on the main board in support of Mundine , If your not him then My bad ,You've already done a thread on this WBA belt and it was clear result that none of us think it is real.

[CarltonBlues]

Correct the bogus title was set up AFTER kessler unified the WBA & WBC because the WBA knew kessler was a proper champion and would be determine in his quest to unify thus robing them of sanctioning fees should he lose to Calzaghe because Calzaghe has designs on moving north and would be as he is now holding their belt in limbo like the WBC and WBO titles and robbing them of revenue from sanctoning fees . so they created a seondary bogus title knowing their finances would be assured because Mundine would be content paying them if he was allowed to prance around aussie calling himself a champ and fighting cans , I realise this we as the punter hve o say in this mater or than voting with our feet and the Aussie boxing public should be doing just that thus denying The BA & Mundine any money for fih bogus fighters for a bogus belt , the wbaare setting a dangerous president here imo ,Just imagine if we had 8 blokes walking arounnd alling themselvers THE MAN ..Ps sorry i thought you were that retard Gavin (Aka The Man fan ) ,The bloke who used to post poetry on the main board in support of Mundine , If your not him then My bad ,

You do realize that technically it's the super champion belt that is bogus? Had the WBA not made Kessler super champ then they would have stripped him just like the IBF did to Calzaghe. The belt Mundine holds is no different to Bute's.

[Steel Kelly]

My guess is they want a nice easy fight before taking on Calzaghe again!

[IrnBruMan]

Sorry asbout the number of TYPO's there, new laptop and its got a key board more suited to a piano player ,

You're obviously not a pianner player then Josey? :lol:

[IrnBruMan]

You do realize that technically it's the super champion belt that is bogus? Had the WBA not made Kessler super champ then they would have stripped him just like the IBF did to Calzaghe. The belt Mundine holds is no different to Bute's.

hmmm, that's a good point - Kessler fought his WBC mandatory in Andrade after being allowed to fight Beyer, and then fought Calzaghe to unify - but the fact remains that Mundine was happy to 'step aside' and allow Kessler to fight Calzaghe instead of him, his mandatory...

The cynic in me can't help but think that Mundine knew Kessler would lose to Calzaghe, which is why he 'stepped aside' with no hue and cry - I don't recall any press from Team Mundine claiming Kessler was ducking Mundine by fighting Calzaghe, if you know what I mean :hey

[Super_Fly_Sam]

Well at least we can all agree that although Mundine is a talented fighter he is pretty much a joke....

we all know it....

he surely knows it...

the boxing world knows it...

and sooner or later everyone else is gona catch on and then Mundine will have no choice but to do something about it or retire.....



A big help to this situation would be if some of the australian press would stop believing his crap and actually question him about his level of competition etc etc

[Lead Right]

Thats a good point Carlton Blues.

I can understand why people say Mundine's belt is bogus. It is a bit silly really having 2 champs.

But Mundine fought a valid contender is Soliman to win it, and carries all the same rules as any other WBA Champ (manditories etc). While Calzaghe/Kessler dont do much with it, just fight the WBA Champ every 2 years or what ever it is.

[one in a million]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Talk Talk Talk

Bring on Kessler and Mundine, no excuses $$$ tickets,prizes,ego,bla bla bla JUST BRING IT ON! :happy FFS...

[Farmboxer]

I keep hearing and reading it will be Taylor Vs. Kessler.

[one in a million]

I keep hearing and reading it will be Taylor Vs. Kessler.
'Crap' can we scrap that idea and get to the nitty gritty of the Kessler and Mundine fight for 2008 :deal :happy

[ashley]

Mundine is going to try and live a happy life as WBA SMW champ without fighting Kess.......but lets hope he fights a real top 10 before the year is out.

As far as Mundine saying he is the best in the world........that shit just sells tickets......any of you boxing experts should know this is just show business.

[Faetter_BR]

Thats a good point Carlton Blues.

I can understand why people say Mundine's belt is bogus. It is a bit silly really having 2 champs.

But Mundine fought a valid contender is Soliman to win it, and carries all the same rules as any other WBA Champ (manditories etc). While Calzaghe/Kessler dont do much with it, just fight the WBA Champ every 2 years or what ever it is.

Kessler fought Mundine as mandatory - then a voluntary defense against Lucas - unified against Beyer - Mandatory against Andrade - then an attempt to unify against Calzaghe - I'd consider that a pretty good record.

Mundine: won the title versus middleweight Soliman - voluntary defense against Nievas (rated #15 for the special occation) - Voluntary defense against Clavero (rated #15 for the special occation) - voluntary defense against Hamdan (rated #15 for the special occation)... He took the title a year ago and is still to face a top50 opponent... or a mandatory

As for Kessler - according to TeamPalle they will be going after Mundine - and with Kessler's WBA-ranking Mundine might just have to actually step up.

[JOSEY WALES]

You do realize that technically it's the super champion belt that is bogus? Had the WBA not made Kessler super champ then they would have stripped him just like the IBF did to Calzaghe. The belt Mundine holds is no different to Bute's. Sorry Blues , My Bad ,, I thought because Calzaghe defeated kessler he would automatically be considered "The WBA Man " but obviously he is in fact a fraudulant holder and Mundine is really the bonified Champ , Congratulations Australia ..

[CarltonBlues]

Sorry Blues , My Bad ,, I thought because Calzaghe defeated kessler he would automatically be considered "The WBA Man " but obviously he is in fact a fraudulant holder and Mundine is really the bonified Champ , Congratulations Australia ..

I didn't say that at all and you know that very well. Everyone here aknowledges Joe as the undisputed champ, everyone here is well aware Mundine is fighting a lot of bums lately. I don't know what more you want from the Aussie fans?

[BoxingKangaroo]

You do realize that technically it's the super champion belt that is bogus? Had the WBA not made Kessler super champ then they would have stripped him just like the IBF did to Calzaghe. The belt Mundine holds is no different to Bute's.

regardless of what belt is bogus or not mundine is still only the second best at 168lbs wearing a WBA belt around his waiste........:deal

[kel]

I wld rather see Mundine fight some of the other top SMW instead of fighting Kessler

[CarltonBlues]

I wld rather see Mundine fight some of the other top SMW instead of fighting Kessler

He'd be better off fighting someone like Taylor, easier fight and a bigger reward.

[JOSEY WALES]

I didn't say that at all and you know that very well. Everyone here aknowledges Joe as the undisputed champ, everyone here is well aware Mundine is fighting a lot of bums lately. I don't know what more you want from the Aussie fans? Blues , You said that Calzghe's belt was the bogus belt and implied that the one Mundine is walking around with is infact the Genuine belt , so that would mean Mundine is the Real McCoy and Joe's WBA Belt is bogus .what i really want is for Mundine to stop fucking about and fight Kessler for the ONLY WBA TITLE when ever Calzaghe relinquishes or is stripped of it .Fuck fighing Jermain Taylor , He needs to fight Kessler , ASAP

[CarltonBlues]

I didn't imply anything dipshit, I take back my apology when I took back that you were only here to flame as it's clear all you want to do is try to get a rise out of Aussie fans. I agree with everything you say almost except your false information on the sanctioning bodies and you still want to argue. Go troll on the main board as you're not getting much reward for all the effort you're putting in here.

[kel]

Blues , You said that Calzghe's belt was the bogus belt and implied that the one Mundine is walking around with is infact the Genuine belt , so that would mean Mundine is the Real McCoy and Joe's WBA Belt is bogus .what i really want is for Mundine to stop fucking about and fight Kessler for the ONLY WBA TITLE when ever Calzaghe relinquishes or is stripped of it .Fuck fighing Jermain Taylor , He needs to fight Kessler , ASAP

He doesn't need to fight Kessler because u demand it.

If he does and beats Kessler for the WBA belt, u will only say it's bogus cos Calzaghe is the real holder anyway.

[JOSEY WALES]

I didn't imply anything dipshit, I take back my apology when I took back that you were only here to flame as it's clear all you want to do is try to get a rise out of Aussie fans. I agree with everything you say almost except your false information on the sanctioning bodies and you still want to argue. Go troll on the main board as you're not getting much reward for all the effort you're putting in here. There you go agin crying like a baby blues , Just because i ask a few questions that Mundine huggers can't answer you start caling people names ie "Dipshit" , keep it real mate , You implied Calzaghe's belt was the bogus one and Mundines was real when its clearly not the case , As for me fucking off back up to the main board ??? get a grip fella its a free board and i can post whatevr i like .

[ashley]

There you go agin crying like a baby blues , Just because i ask a few questions that Mundine huggers can't answer you start caling people names ie "Dipshit" , keep it real mate , You implied Calzaghe's belt was the bogus one and Mundines was real when its clearly not the case , As for me fucking off back up to the main board ??? get a grip fella its a free board and i can post whatevr i like .

I think Josey has a love hate thing going with Mundine :yep

[JOSEY WALES]

I think Josey has a love hate thing going with Mundine :yep Ash , Correct mate , I love his skills but hate him wasting them ,,Ps he should have gone south two years ago ,if he had done then he would be a bonified middle weight champion by now imo .

[teke]

Ash , Correct mate , I love his skills but hate him wasting them ,,Ps he should have gone south two years ago ,if he had done then he would be a bonified middle weight champion by now imo .Mundine cant make middleweight, he'd probably make 164 pounds but thats about it. I've met him and there aint much more to lose on his body. He was playing league at 86 kgs

[JOSEY WALES]

Mundine cant make middleweight, he'd probably make 164 pounds but thats about it. I've met him and there aint much more to lose on his body. He was playing league at 86 kgs Teke im surprised to here tht , i was speaking to a few Aussies a few months back down in London and they said he could make it middle a piece of piss , they knew their boxing as well , BTW who is Danny Green defending the WBA title against in April ? i do like how this bloke came back from the Mundine defeat , shows class that imo .

[teke]

Teke im surprised to here tht , i was speaking to a few Aussies a few months back down in London and they said he could make it middle a piece of piss , they knew their boxing as well , BTW who is Danny Green defending the WBA title against in April ? i do like how this bloke came back from the Mundine defeat , shows class that imo .Well its only my opinion, he might very well make it but it wouldnt be comfortable. He doesnt have an ounce of fat on him at the moment and is getting on in age. Its probably best if he stays same weight or goes up.

[JOSEY WALES]

Well its only my opinion, he might very well make it but it wouldnt be comfortable. He doesnt have an ounce of fat on him at the moment and is getting on in age. Its probably best if he stays same weight or goes up. Teke fair enough re his age and making weight . How do you see him going against someone like Bute ?

[teke]

Teke fair enough re his age and making weight . How do you see him going against someone like Bute ?Absolutely no idea. From what i've seen of Bute ie. his movement/speed/power compared to how ppl rate him on here i say he is very overrated. However he is a big dude with a southpaw stance something Mundine isnt too familiar with. I would only pick Mundine cause im a fan of his, id have to watch more of Butes past fights.

[JOSEY WALES]

Absolutely no idea. From what i've seen of Bute ie. his movement/speed/power compared to how ppl rate him on here i say he is very overrated. However he is a big dude with a southpaw stance something Mundine isnt too familiar with. I would only pick Mundine cause im a fan of his, id have to watch more of Butes past fights. Teke man this fight would be a ******* , I reckon Mundine would be in with a good shout of beating him as like you say he's a solid fighter but he's quiet over rated when you consider his opponents , any permentation involving Kessler, Mundine or Bute would be solid .

[JOSEY WALES]

Typo ****** should read ******* ... Sorry ..

[Decebal]

Bute is very overrated, but I haven't really watched any Bute fights. I only pick Mundine because im a nuthugger of his.

Hey, no one's perfect!:deal

Here you go!:D

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[Decebal]

Typo ****** should read ******* ... Sorry ..

:rofl

[JOSEY WALES]

Typo ****** should read ******* ... Sorry .. WTF why wont it read the word i put in lol ? Ok Bute v Mundine would be a brilliant fight .

[Decebal]

WTF why wont it read the word i put in lol ? Ok Bute v Mundine would be a brilliant fight .

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You are racist!:deal :bart

[JOSEY WALES]

Yea that sort of product is the word i had in mind to discribe the fight , WTF ???

[teke]

Hey, no one's perfect!:deal

Here you go!:D

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:goodOi, dont be changing my words you cheeky prick :bart:cool:

[Decebal]

Oi, dont be changing my words you cheeky prick :bart:cool:

:nono

You know you're one of my top 10 favourite posters on ESB, teke! :deal

:D

[pecks]

I think Mundine would beat Bute. I think Bute's punches wouldn't trouble Mundine's defence much, and this would enable Mundine to open up enough to win most of the rounds.

If you look at the speed, and accuracy of the punches thrown by bute when he has someone against the ropes, and compare it to Kessler's, I think you'll see a fair difference, and thats where I see Mundine getting enough confidence to go on and win a rather comfortable win, probably by 3 or so rounds.

[Decebal]

I think Mundine would beat Bute. I think Bute's punches wouldn't trouble Mundine's defence much, and this would enable Mundine to open up enough to win most of the rounds.

If you look at the speed, and accuracy of the punches thrown by bute when he has someone against the ropes, and compare it to Kessler's, I think you'll see a fair difference, and thats where I see Mundine getting enough confidence to go on and win a rather comfortable win, probably by 3 or so rounds.

Yeah, very possible. I haven't watched Choc lately either, so I cannot really comment. I am waiting for him to be in a more competitive fight...then, we'll see how much he's improved. Would love to see Bute v. Mundine though!:good

[pecks]

Yeah, very possible. I haven't watched Choc lately either, so I cannot really comment. I am waiting for him to be in a more competitive fight...then, we'll see how much he's improved. Would love to see Bute v. Mundine though!:goodIt's not worth the megs to see any of his recent fights because it's been against guys who should be mall security guards.

The Soliman, and Green fights are the only ones worth watching, and the Green fight was almost 2 years ago.

Admittedly, I haven't seen much of Bute's recent fights either, the last full one was the James Obede Toney one. I should really check out his fight with Bika.

[Decebal]

It's not worth the megs to see any of his recent fights because it's been against guys who should be mall security guards.

The Soliman, and Green fights are the only ones worth watching, and the Green fight was almost 2 years ago.

Admittedly, I haven't seen much of Bute's recent fights either, the last full one was the James Obede Toney one. I should really check out his fight with Bika.

Saw Soliman, Green and Kessler.

You should definitely watch Bika and Berrio.

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[CarltonBlues]

The irony of a Calzaghe fan coming on here tearing into Mundine when his hero was guilty of the very same thing for most of his career.

This article was from only 3 years ago when he was about to fight that monster Viet for a second time after taking him out in 1 round in their first showdown lol.
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[pecks]

The irony of a Calzaghe fan coming on here tearing into Mundine when his hero was guilty of the very same thing for most of his career.

This article was from only 3 years ago when he was about to fight that monster Viet for a second time after taking him out in 1 round in their first showdown lol.
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True dat Carlton. I think Calzaghe's stocks were at an all toime low when he fought Ashira, and after the fight paraded his busted hand around to the camera's to let them know that the Lacy fight would be put off.

His last 2 years have been good though, but before the Lacy fight, he was copping a fair bit of stick.

[pecks]

Saw Soliman, Green and Kessler.

You should definitely watch Bika and Berrio.

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:DCheers mate. I'll check them out soon.

[JOSEY WALES]

The irony of a Calzaghe fan coming on here tearing into Mundine when his hero was guilty of the very same thing for most of his career.

This article was from only 3 years ago when he was about to fight that monster Viet for a second time after taking him out in 1 round in their first showdown lol.
[Only registered and activated users can see links] Viet was his mandatory thats why he fought Him again , thats what REAL CAHMPS do , dont worry about Choc the WBA will glady keep excepting the sanctioning fees off him to fight cans , Veit was something like 45-1 before the fight also and and had still to lose to anyone not named Calzaghe . now enjoy your lads win tonight and try not to gush too much if he happens to look your way .;)

[JOSEY WALES]

True dat Carlton. I think Calzaghe's stocks were at an all toime low when he fought Ashira, and after the fight paraded his busted hand around to the camera's to let them know that the Lacy fight would be put off.

His last 2 years have been good though, but before the Lacy fight, he was copping a fair bit of stick. Pecks fair comment but why did he fight Evans Ashire ? we all know it was a money fight he squeezed in to pay off his Mrs lol ok he messed up but still schooled LACY before unifying v Kessler ..

[Dojo]

Viet was his mandatory thats why he fought Him again , thats what REAL CAHMPS do , dont worry about Choc the WBA will glady keep excepting the sanctioning fees off him to fight cans , Veit was something like 45-1 before the fight also and and had still to lose to anyone not named Calzaghe . now enjoy your lads win tonight and try not to gush too much if he happens to look your way .;)

How many mandatories has Joe fought since capturing the WBO belt?
The longest title reign in boxing let's remember... Not the best point for a Calzaghe fan to be making...:yep

[JOSEY WALES]

How many mandatories has Joe fought since capturing the WBO belt?
The longest title reign in boxing let's remember... Not the best point for a Calzaghe fan to be making...:yep Good question that i dont have the answer to but i do know he's just fought and beaten LACY the IBF Champion and got stripped by them for not defending against the world famous robert steglitz ( who ) ,,, Calzaghe has faced and beaten all his mandatory's to my knowledge , as he has beaten two current title holders and roughly 6 former title holders ,so who did you have in mind ?

[Faetter_BR]

Good question that i dont have the answer to but i do know he's just fought and beaten LACY the IBF Champion and got stripped by them for not defending against the world famous robert steglitz ( who ) ,,, Calzaghe has faced and beaten all his mandatory's to my knowledge , as he has beaten two current title holders and roughly 6 former title holders ,so who did you have in mind ?

Calzaghe fought two mandatories in his 10 years reign - two! (Veit twice) - Calzaghe/****** has put many $$$ in WBO's account over the years - hence WBO doesn't inforce mandatories on Calzaghe - only when the would be mandatry is from Kohl (who is the only person with more weight with the WBO than ******)

So pulling - the "Mundine isn't fighting mandatories" card from a Calzaghe-fan is shooting yourself in the foot.

Kessler-fans will have a better day doing it - as Kessler in two years managed what took Calzaghe 10! - fighting two mandatories - one away and unifying two titles :) (just a shame for Kessler's fans than Calzaghe managed to pull out a win, when they fought, but that's another discission :))

[JOSEY WALES]

Calzaghe fought two mandatories in his 10 years reign - two! (Veit twice) - Calzaghe/****** has put many $$$ in WBO's account over the years - hence WBO doesn't inforce mandatories on Calzaghe - only when the would be mandatry is from Kohl (who is the only person with more weight with the WBO than ******)

So pulling - the "Mundine isn't fighting mandatories" card from a Calzaghe-fan is shooting yourself in the foot.

Kessler-fans will have a better day doing it - as Kessler in two years managed what took Calzaghe 10! - fighting two mandatories - one away and unifying two titles :) (just a shame for Kessler's fans than Calzaghe managed to pull out a win, when they fought, but that's another discission :)) lol come on mate it gotta be more than two .... Jimenez ?

[Faetter_BR]

lol come on mate it gotta be more than two .... Jimenez ?

nope

Mkrtchian might have been ... Freeman Barr was mandatory for ever - never got to fight Calzaghe - then he went and lost to Mkrtchian, so Mkrtchian might have been mandatory, but I'm not sure.

[CarltonBlues]

Viet was his mandatory thats why he fought Him again , thats what REAL CAHMPS do , dont worry about Choc the WBA will glady keep excepting the sanctioning fees off him to fight cans , Veit was something like 45-1 before the fight also and and had still to lose to anyone not named Calzaghe . now enjoy your lads win tonight and try not to gush too much if he happens to look your way .;)

For the record I'll be going for Hamdan, just like I went for Soliman, just like I went for Green.;)

Joe's best opponents are Kessler, Lacy and Reid, Mundine's are Kessler, Green and Ottke. Are they really that different? He has fought some good fighters as well as donkeys just like Joe has.

[teke]

Calzaghe fought two mandatories in his 10 years reign - two! (Veit twice) - Calzaghe/****** has put many $$$ in WBO's account over the years - hence WBO doesn't inforce mandatories on Calzaghe - only when the would be mandatry is from Kohl (who is the only person with more weight with the WBO than ******)

So pulling - the "Mundine isn't fighting mandatories" card from a Calzaghe-fan is shooting yourself in the foot.

Kessler-fans will have a better day doing it - as Kessler in two years managed what took Calzaghe 10! - fighting two mandatories - one away and unifying two titles :) (just a shame for Kessler's fans than Calzaghe managed to pull out a win, when they fought, but that's another discission :))...but then again Kessler took 31 fights to face a decent live opponent :p

[Faetter_BR]

...but then again Kessler took 31 fights to face a decent live opponent :p

yep - partly due to him turning pro very early - but then again Mundine is still fighting bums in his fight number #31... :D

[JOSEY WALES]

nope

Mkrtchian might have been ... Freeman Barr was mandatory for ever - never got to fight Calzaghe - then he went and lost to Mkrtchian, so Mkrtchian might have been mandatory, but I'm not sure. BR , Jimenez ws the WBO LAtino camp and was a manditory , you right about Mkinanadhncn ( Cant spell the name ) though and branco sobbot was a Mand , but all in all its a piss poor list and will retract my post about Calzaghe fighting mands , He fought whoever him and arren thought would get more bucks ie Brewer , Mitcheal etc . Hope you enjoyed the figt and i would vey much appreciate a link to it off any kind Aussie . Thank Josey Wales

[JOSEY WALES]

For the record I'll be going for Hamdan, just like I went for Soliman, just like I went for Green.;)

Joe's best opponents are Kessler, Lacy and Reid, Mundine's are Kessler, Green and Ottke. Are they really that different? He has fought some good fighters as well as donkeys just like Joe has. Blues , Calzaghe has fought better than Reid and Lacy , Despite what you think Blues Eubanks was was taining for a fight and was in good nickfor the CAlzaghe fight and would hav beaten him if he could have , he gave his all an has my respect for the effort , unlike Collins who clearly decided Calzahe wasnt worth the risk for £100,000 and promptly retired , Brewer was tough fucker also far tougher than Lacy and Reid Joe spannered Lacy and when he fought Reid his preformance that night was shocking but he still won , A best Robin Reid couldnt beat a poor Calzaghe , Byron Mitcheal had Calzage down by a flash as did Saleem but a tougher fight for Joe was Bika , Joe fights to the level & threat of his opponent thats why he TKO's Hopkins late imo , Anyway Seeing as Choc has seen off all domestic claims he can now hopefully get a wiggle on and start calling out some seros names starting with Kessler , Bute , Bika Frock ( For the common wealth would be a tidy affair ) imo as well . Like ive maintained for a few years no Mundine is class but its time he proved it to the boxing world . No more solimans, Greens etc quality fighters known world wide is the onlyway to get him where he truley has the talent to belong ...

[ashley]

Blues , Calzaghe has fought better than Reid and Lacy , Despite what you think Blues Eubanks was was taining for a fight and was in good nickfor the CAlzaghe fight and would hav beaten him if he could have , he gave his all an has my respect for the effort , unlike Collins who clearly decided Calzahe wasnt worth the risk for £100,000 and promptly retired , Brewer was tough fucker also far tougher than Lacy and Reid Joe spannered Lacy and when he fought Reid his preformance that night was shocking but he still won , A best Robin Reid couldnt beat a poor Calzaghe , Byron Mitcheal had Calzage down by a flash as did Saleem but a tougher fight for Joe was Bika , Joe fights to the level & threat of his opponent thats why he TKO's Hopkins late imo , Anyway Seeing as Choc has seen off all domestic claims he can now hopefully get a wiggle on and start calling out some seros names starting with Kessler , Bute , Bika Frock ( For the common wealth would be a tidy affair ) imo as well . Like ive maintained for a few years no Mundine is class but its time he proved it to the boxing world . No more solimans, Greens etc quality fighters known world wide is the onlyway to get him where he truley has the talent to belong ...

Dont hold your breath waiting for Mundine to fight Kessler again.....Kess is 2 good and Mundine knows it.

[teke]

Kessler may be better than Mundine but he's not that out of this world better and even Mundines piss poor effort in the first fight proves it. He won rounds off the man running backwards.

My wish is for a rematch...and for Cotto to get Ko'd :yep

[Dojo]

Josey check out [Only registered and activated users can see links] it has a highlights video.

[JOSEY WALES]

Kessler may be better than Mundine but he's not that out of this world better and even Mundines piss poor effort in the first fight proves it. He won rounds off the man running backwards.

My wish is for a rematch...and for Cotto to get Ko'd :yep Did one Judge really score all rounds to Kessler in the fight ? due to Mundine's inactivity durning the last couple of years he needs to speed his career up if he's going to be remembred worldwide , his next choice of opponent will determine if he hs any real ambition . Crucial imo .

[JOSEY WALES]

Josey check out [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) it has a highlights video. Thanks ver much JB , Appreciated .:good

[ashley]

Kessler may be better than Mundine but he's not that out of this world better and even Mundines piss poor effort in the first fight proves it. He won rounds off the man running backwards.

My wish is for a rematch...and for Cotto to get Ko'd :yep

I wish Santa was real 2 mate.......Mundine will get beaten if he goes round with Kessler again.

[teke]

I wish Santa was real 2 mate.......Mundine will get beaten if he goes round with Kessler again....or kessler could be exposed for the robot he is under that fleshy exterior.

[ashley]

...or kessler could be exposed for the robot he is under that fleshy exterior.

I would love Mundine to beat Kess but Kess is 2 big 2 strong and Mundine has a poor work rate.

[Faetter_BR]

I would love Mundine to beat Kess but Kess is 2 big 2 strong and Mundine has a poor work rate.

Well Kessler is just better than Mundine - if they fight gain then we'll see an even wide UD - unless of course Mundine grew some balls and goes after Kessler - then we'll see a KO victory for Kessler ... but than again judging by his choice of opponents he hasn't grown anything but mayby his bank-account :D

[KO Boxing]

Glad this thread could make some of those Kessler fans come out of hiding!

Where did they all go? :huh Surely one loss didn't make them quit the sport, or the boxer? :-(

Mundine UD in rematch :deal

[pecks]

It's not that out of the question for Mundine to beat Kessler in a rematch.

He has improved since then, and does have the ability to cause the upset, though he will no doubt start as the underdog.

The thing is, he needs to gradually build up to fighting someone of Kessler's calibre.

He should fight a legit top 10er, then say Bute, and then go for someone like Kessler. He'll give himself a much better chance of winning that way, instead of going from the likes of Darren Obah, to Kessler.

[Decebal]

It's not that out of the question for Mundine to beat Kessler in a rematch.

He has improved since then, and does have the ability to cause the upset, though he will no doubt start as the underdog.

The thing is, he needs to gradually build up to fighting someone of Kessler's calibre.

He should fight a legit top 10er, then say Bute, and then go for someone like Kessler. He'll give himself a much better chance of winning that way, instead of going from the likes of Darren Obah, to Kessler.

Is he prepared to come to Montreal to fight Bute? I wonder...:think

[pecks]

Is he prepared to come to Montreal to fight Bute? I wonder...:thinkI doubt it.

Thats the most disappointing aspect of it all - Mundine's willingness, or unwillingness to step out of the shallow end of the pool.

It'd be great for Aussie boxing to have him fighting top 5er's twice a year.

[IrnBruMan]

Josey check out [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) it has a highlights video.

Mundine needs to work on his stamina - he was puffing bigtime there in rd 7 - his lack of quality opponents is showing

[Faetter_BR]

I doubt it.

Thats the most disappointing aspect of it all - Mundine's willingness, or unwillingness to step out of the shallow end of the pool.

It'd be great for Aussie boxing to have him fighting top 5er's twice a year.

Well it would be nice if he just fought some-one from top50 once in awhile :)

[this bloke]

Is he prepared to come to Montreal to fight Bute? I wonder...:think

mundine wont go anywhere to fight bute..... but
would bute come to australia to face mundine:think

i very much doubt it:deal

[Decebal]

mundine wont go anywhere to fight bute..... but
would bute come to australia to face mundine:think

i very much doubt it:deal

I don't think he needs to. For that matter, I don't think Mundine needs to come to Montreal either. But if the fight happens, it should happen in Montreal, I think. More tickets would be sold there, the fight would be live, prime time in America...this is important.

[JOSEY WALES]

Sorry - but are there really people on here who thinks Mundine is the one and only WBA-champ??? Jan (DK) its recently been establised on here that ROUGHLY 80% of Australian posters on here realise the WBA ( Regular title ) is BOGUS ,the pity is that its taken someone fom Wales to ask these questions on this site as the Majorty of Danes lack the nessecary minerals to argue Kesslers case , i expected this type of recation to a loss off the Lacy fans but your probably one of about three of Kesslers fans that have resurfaced after his defeat at the hands of Calzaghe , for this you are to be comended but as for the rest of Keslers ex fans ???? They really are a shower of shit imo . :deal Regards Josey Wales

[HolgerD]

Jan (DK) its recently been establised on here that ROUGHLY 80% of Australian posters on here realise the WBA ( Regular title ) is BOGUS ,the pity is that its taken someone fom Wales to ask these questions on this site as the Majorty of Danes lack the nessecary minerals to argue Kesslers case , i expected this type of recation to a loss off the Lacy fans but your probably one of about three of Kesslers fans that have resurfaced after his defeat at the hands of Calzaghe , for this you are to be comended but as for the rest of Keslers ex fans ???? They really are a shower of shit imo . :deal Regards Josey Wales

Great! Another fellow missing the Kessler fans. It's very much appreciated. Thanks! :good

[Maden]

Jan (DK) its recently been establised on here that ROUGHLY 80% of Australian posters on here realise the WBA ( Regular title ) is BOGUS ,the pity is that its taken someone fom Wales to ask these questions on this site as the Majorty of Danes lack the nessecary minerals to argue Kesslers case , i expected this type of recation to a loss off the Lacy fans but your probably one of about three of Kesslers fans that have resurfaced after his defeat at the hands of Calzaghe , for this you are to be comended but as for the rest of Keslers ex fans ???? They really are a shower of shit imo . :deal Regards Josey Wales

We are still here, but I guess that most of the Kessler fans is awaiting news about Kesslers next fight before entering discussions on the forum.

[teke]

Hi HolgerDeram :hi:

[HolgerD]

teke! I'm all with you on this one. There is more to Mundine than we have seen so far. We have seen his "a day at the office" level several times but never his Top form. A rematch with Kessler should bring out the best in him, both in terms of motivation and physical performance. On top of that, Mundine must have picked a few things up from watching the Calzaghe-Kessler fight, I mean, in terms of varying his "game" a little bit more. Think it could be a good fight! As far as the location goes it would be unfair to stage it in Australia twice. Finally, it shouldn't in any way hamper Kessler's attempts at making it big in the States.

[HolgerD]

Hi HolgerDeram :hi:

I think the Deram stuff is before my time? Have seen some hints though.

[ajay11]

Just watched Kessler v Mundine in full for the first time since they fought. One thing I noticed was that Mundine done exceptionally well in spurts and gave Kessler a tough fight.

Taking into consideration the improvement in Mundine I have no problems predicting a Mundine win. He'd have also watched Calzaghe's win over the Dane, a fight I believe Kessler lost more than Calzaghe won.

[JOSEY WALES]

Just watched Kessler v Mundine in full for the first time since they fought. One thing I noticed was that Mundine done exceptionally well in spurts and gave Kessler a tough fight.

Taking into consideration the improvement in Mundine I have no problems predicting a Mundine win. He'd have also watched Calzaghe's win over the Dane, a fight I believe Kessler lost more than Calzaghe won. kessler lost alright but it had more to do with Joe being the best S/Middle out there unlike your hero who just talks about being greatest of all time :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl , fucking retard its no wonder he attracts blokes like you Ajay , Birds of a feather flock together ..:bbb

[teke]

Just watched Kessler v Mundine in full for the first time since they fought. One thing I noticed was that Mundine done exceptionally well in spurts and gave Kessler a tough fight.

Taking into consideration the improvement in Mundine I have no problems predicting a Mundine win. He'd have also watched Calzaghe's win over the Dane, a fight I believe Kessler lost more than Calzaghe won.Calzaghe would have watched the Mundine fight to see some things that he could have capitalised on in Kesslers game.

I have the Kess/Joe fight very close (2 rd swing). Kessler just didnt do enough in my opinion. A rematch would be good but Joe would not take it nor does he need to.

I pick Mundine to do way better in a rematch with Kessler. Absolute confident of that.

[JOSEY WALES]

Calzaghe would have watched the Mundine fight to see some things that he could have capitalised on in Kesslers game.

I have the Kess/Joe fight very close (2 rd swing). Kessler just didnt do enough in my opinion. A rematch would be good but Joe would not take it nor does he need to.

I pick Mundine to do way better in a rematch with Kessler. Absolute confident of that. I had it 8-4 teke , everything Kessler attempted joe adapted to , he changed tactics to counter Kessler three times in the first 5 rounds , Joe will not fight Kessler again though as he says kessler will only get better . if Mundine is to have any chance in a rematch he will have to get battle hardened again against someone like Bika if he just goes into a fight without fighting a serious threat first he will get battered .

[ashley]

I had Joe winning by 4 or so rounds and Mundine should stay away from Kess.

Lots of good top 15 in the real world that Mundine can beat.

[JOSEY WALES]

Bad looser v. bad winner - who is the worst?. But anyway ....:oops: thanks i reckon ?? Jan (DK) I make no appologise for asking the questions Kesslers GUTLESS so called fans won't , If that makes me a bad winner then so be it ...

[JOSEY WALES]

I think you are... anyway what about Maden's and my comments about Kessler's activity? Jan (Dk ) What you think of me matters not really , I showed Kessler and YOURSELF props after the fight but you seem to forget that . anyway back to kesslers future , you seemed to be very close to Team Palle last november how come you dont know anything ? Cath over on the main board seems to think kessler is fighting in America in two months time , against whom is to be decided , Lacy was being muted but that would be a mistake imo , Someone like Bika should be used in an attempt to get Kessler back into the mix , same goes for Mundine , I see kesser being frozen out by the likes of Mundine & Bute if he not careful , Kesslers choice of ighters wanting to fight is limited now ,Daring to be great has severly put the brakes on his career imo , what he should do is get a title and keep defending it at home against Cans . sad but thats just the way boxng seems to be these days .

[Bomber]

The intresting part of the 168 division is that there isnt any fighter who politically or ecconomicaly can pull the division into their own little realm. In this power vacuum what happens outside the ring may just be as important as what happens in it.

[JOSEY WALES]

I think thats what the promoter wants, but definitely not what Kessler wants (he wants to go to US as soon as possible)

Dibella really wants the Taylor - Kessler fight but why?

1. Thinks that Taylor easily can beat/and get credit for defeating Kessler?
2. Thinks that Kessler at the time has the "wba-belt" (after Mundine) and then claim for mandatory fights?.
3. Thinks that Kessler will win, and then he (Dibella) could be the US-promoter that Kessler needs??. 1, Taylor won't beat kessler 2 Joe Calzaghe has the WBA Title , kessler lost it and Mundine's is BOGUS . 3 Kessler dont need a Yank promoter he should beg Frank ****** to promote him :good :yep

[teke]

I had it 8-4 teke , everything Kessler attempted joe adapted to , he changed tactics to counter Kessler three times in the first 5 rounds , Joe will not fight Kessler again though as he says kessler will only get better . if Mundine is to have any chance in a rematch he will have to get battle hardened again against someone like Bika if he just goes into a fight without fighting a serious threat first he will get battered .I had it 8-4 aswell which means a 2 rd swing. Take 2 off one man and give it to the other and you have a drawn fight.

[pecks]

I had it 8-4 aswell which means a 2 rd swing. Take 2 off one man and give it to the other and you have a drawn fight....Deram?

[teke]

...Deram?delete that was slack of me