It's prime time Macho time!

[sweet_scientist]

I've promised a few guys that I'd put up some footage of Camacho's fight against Ramirez (his best boxing dsplay imo) and so here it is.

Sorry I didn't put up the whole fight, but just picture a lot of lateral movement in between and you'll know the story of the fight.

Enjoy! :good


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[pryorgatti]

Much appreciated. Thanks SS.

[sweet_scientist]

Much appreciated. Thanks SS.

Cheers mate. :good

Looks like the fight came out a little bit out of synch with the audio unfortunately...

ROFLAMO@Camacho calling out Larry Holmes after the fight. :rofl

[Dempsey1238]

Great, now its time for a Micky Walker music video lol.

We have plenty on Youtube for Marciano, Louis, Ali, and others.

Time for Walker to get his due, all thats there is the training footage and the highlights. What song shoudl you used lol

Pretty good, as a kid, I like Camacho, I always like the way he dress up in ring intros for fights, one time he dress up as a Indain, other times, something else.

[McGrain]

Fast, fast hands, hard to pin down, good power, I think he's a great and generally underated fighter. When focused, when up for the job in hand.

[sweet_scientist]

Great, now its time for a Micky Walker music video lol.

We have plenty on Youtube for Marciano, Louis, Ali, and others.

Time for Walker to get his due, all thats there is the training footage and the highlights. What song shoudl you used lol

Pretty good, as a kid, I like Camacho, I always like the way he dress up in ring intros for fights, one time he dress up as a Indain, other times, something else.

Maybe I could condense the 30 mins of Walker-Loughran into a ten minute clip, whaddya reckon? :think Cut out the 20 mins of Walker chasing Loughran all around the ring :D

Maybe some Ace Hudkins.

Camacho was a crack up.

Notice him calling out Sweet Pea when Pernell's only been a pro for 1 year? Still must be seething about that whipping in Kronk. :yep

[sweet_scientist]

Fast, fast hands, hard to pin down, good power, I think he's a great and generally underated fighter. When focused, when up for the job in hand.

Lacked some of the intangibles of a great fighter, but he had some very nice skills when at the top of his game.

Just of interest, did you have him beating Rosario?

[McGrain]

Just of interest, did you have him beating Rosario?

I did yeah, BUT, i've only seen that fight once and that was pissed at a party in Glasgow (you can bet I was loads of fun that night).

[sweet_scientist]

I did yeah, BUT, i've only seen that fight once and that was pissed at a party in Glasgow (you can bet I was loads of fun that night).

Fair enough, they say the truth comes out when you're drunk, therefore so be it! :good

[bxrfan]

Thanks a lot man! :good

Do you have footage of the Camacho-Rosario fight? I haven't seen that in a long time, and it would be much appreciated if you could put it up.

[Dempsey1238]

Back in the 80's, he was a big star before he decline, the JJC fight was some amazing pre fight shows.

[sweet_scientist]

Thanks a lot man! :good

Do you have footage of the Camacho-Rosario fight? I haven't seen that in a long time, and it would be much appreciated if you could put it up.
I do have it, but I've got a pretty crappy internet connection and it would take me quite a while to upload the whole fight so I'd rather not, unless you desparately wanted to see it. It's definitely a fight worth seeing though, and scoring.

[bxrfan]

I do have it, but I've got a pretty crappy internet connection and it would take me quite a while to upload the whole fight so I'd rather not, unless you desparately wanted to see it. It's definitely a fight worth seeing though, and scoring.
Nah man, it's okay. Higlights would be fine with me if you could get anything up. But if you can't, it's all good.

[Outboxer]

Fast as hell, damn.

[Titan1]

Arguably the fastest fighter in the last 30-35 years.I would've like to see how he could've done in a 15 round fight.

[MagnificentMatt]

..."all them *****s" he called out would give it to him proper...

[Luigi1985]

Camacho was p4p one of the fastest fighters ever, he had great handspeed AND great footwork, a rare combination, and with his chin he would be hard to beat at 135 lbs or especially 130 lbs, even for ATG- fighter who are ranked much higher than him legacy-wise...

[sweet_scientist]

Off of this footage, would anyone be tempted to pick him against some lightweight greats? Would this 1985 Camacho have a shot at beating an 87 Chavez? How about an 89-90 Pea? How about an 95 DLH or an 98 Mosley?

[sthomas]

Camacho @ this time was so fast and had such good movement & skills, that while he accomplished a great deal in his career, I think he underachieved, kind of like Tyson. Had he kept his head together he would have been a top drawer ATG. One of the most talented guys ever, and I say this as somone who was never a fan.

[brownpimp88]

Im surprised he didnt make alot of money in boxing, not trying to sound gay, but he does have the oscar de la hoya type looks. Lets face facts oscar didnt make all that money based on his talents, it was his maketing looks, many fighters were more talented than de la hoya.

[brownpimp88]

Off of this footage, would anyone be tempted to pick him against some lightweight greats? Would this 1985 Camacho have a shot at beating an 87 Chavez? How about an 89-90 Pea? How about an 95 DLH or an 98 Mosley? would u pick him against any 130 or 135 fighters, i mean it seems you always go against camacho in head to head matchups claiming he doenst like to get hit, i dont think anyone would like to get hit against rosario.

I mean at least camacho fought guys like rosario, ramirez, haugen howard davis and pazienza at 135/140. At 135 oscar basically fought blown up featherweights and the only lightweight mosley ever beat was philip holiday.

[McGrain]

..."all them *****s" he called out would give it to him proper...

Macho Man KO4 Holmes :rofl

[redrooster]

Off of this footage, would anyone be tempted to pick him against some lightweight greats? Would this 1985 Camacho have a shot at beating an 87 Chavez? How about an 89-90 Pea? How about an 95 DLH or an 98 Mosley?

I can't speak about Pernell because he came along at a later time but havent you noticed that Hector and Chavez came up at the same time in the same weight classes? They even started their careers in the same year. He had to know who the main competition was when Hector was moving up thru the ranks.

It seems very peculiar to that the two of them never met before 1992. What's more, Chavez would not make a move at the title until Hector was already out of the way. Chavez never mad a move towards hector at 130. Instead he opted for Mario martinez. And likewise, Julio never made a move towards Hector while he held the lightweight title either-as though he were deliberately trailing him. He would fight anyone with a losing record, he'd never fight Camacho. He didnt fight him until he too started losing.

Who are we kidding? Hector in his prime would have continually beat him to the punch and demoralized him inside the ring - Pernell Whitaker style, only several years sooner.

[sweet_scientist]

would u pick him against any 130 or 135 fighters, i mean it seems you always go against camacho in head to head matchups claiming he doenst like to get hit, i dont think anyone would like to get hit against rosario.

I mean at least camacho fought guys like rosario, ramirez, haugen howard davis and pazienza at 135/140. At 135 oscar basically fought blown up featherweights and the only lightweight mosley ever beat was philip holiday.
I think he has a style suited to beat punchers who need to really be set to throw their punches. That's why he in particular made a clown of Ramirez, but struggled mightily against Rosario.

I can't see Hector being favourite against any ATG but I wouldn't be surprised if he beat someone like Alexis Arguello (I have the Vilomar Fernandez fight in mind) and maybe even Ike Williams (having the Willie Joyce and Enrique Bolanos fights in mind).

I'd have him favourite against some less than ATG guys like Jose Luis Castillo and Diego Corrales. Corrales in particular he'd probably do a number on.

[RafaelGonzal]

the funny part is Camacho was even faster at 130, I would love if someone could post Macho vs Bazooka Limon at that weight Macho was truly a phenomenon.

[sweet_scientist]

the funny part is Camacho was even faster at 130, I would love if someone could post Macho vs Bazooka Limon at that weight Macho was truly a phenomenon.

Bazooka was a past prime Jose Luis Ramirez in that one Rafa. Like watching a man walk to the gallows. Much more interesting is seeing what he did to a prime Jose Luis Ramirez. I would say Hector's speed differential from 130 to the Ramirez fight was almost imperceptable. Only a tiny bit quicker.

[sweet_scientist]

I can't speak about Pernell because he came along at a later time but havent you noticed that Hector and Chavez came up at the same time in the same weight classes? They even started their careers in the same year. He had to know who the main competition was when Hector was moving up thru the ranks.

It seems very peculiar to that the two of them never met before 1992. What's more, Chavez would not make a move at the title until Hector was already out of the way. Chavez never mad a move towards hector at 130. Instead he opted for Mario martinez. And likewise, Julio never made a move towards Hector while he held the lightweight title either-as though he were deliberately trailing him. He would fight anyone with a losing record, he'd never fight Camacho. He didnt fight him until he too started losing.

Who are we kidding? Hector in his prime would have continually beat him to the punch and demoralized him inside the ring - Pernell Whitaker style, only several years sooner.

Hector got out of the gates much quicker in his career than Julio did and Camacho was moving up through the weight classes before Chavez was. I'm not really sure who's fault it was for the fight not happening earlier. I think if either man REALLY wanted it, they would have made a concerted effort to make it happen by either staying in the same division or moving up to the other's division.

Interesting here that in the post fight interview against Ramirez, Camacho didn't call Chavez out. Kind of indicative of what I'm saying.

[brownpimp88]

Hector got out of the gates much quicker in his career than Julio did and Camacho was moving up through the weight classes before Chavez was. I'm not really sure who's fault it was for the fight not happening earlier. I think if either man REALLY wanted it, they would have made a concerted effort to make it happen by either staying in the same division or moving up to the other's division.

Interesting here that in the post fight interview against Ramirez, Camacho didn't call Chavez out. Kind of indicative of what I'm saying.
chavez really wasnt that big of name at the time. It was after he beat laporte and lockridge, that chavez truly became a p4p fighter.

I wouldnt be surprised if camacho beat atg lightweights like joe brown, jimmy carter, and fighters that rank within the same range as him like buchanon and laguna.

[sweet_scientist]

chavez really wasnt that big of name at the time. It was after he beat laporte and lockridge, that chavez truly became a p4p fighter.

Not really. The Laporte and Lockridge wins didn't really do much to raise his p4p status actually because he struggled with both of those fighters. He had a much better late 1984 and early 1985 actually, beating Mario Martinez, Ruben Castillo and Roger Mayweather all in devastating fashion. Thus by the end of 1985 he was ranked equal 8th p4p by KO magazine. By the end of 1986 he was ranked 9th p4p by KO magazine. So no real improvement in stature (at least on the p4p scale) after the Lockridge and Laporte wins. If anything, I think Chavez's stock dropped a bit after getting pushed to the limit by Laporte in particular as well as Lockridge. Made him look more vulnerable in any case. Looking back on it, I think Chavez would have been better served moving up to 135 in 1986 instead of spending it as an 130 pounder, because I think weight cutting was beginning to effect his performances. He definitely fought better against Rosario and Ramirez once he stepped up to 135.

I think if both were up for it, a p4p match up could have been arranged for late 85 or early 86. Alas....

I wouldnt be surprised if camacho beat atg lightweights like joe brown, jimmy carter, and fighters that rank within the same range as him like buchanon and laguna.

Maybe he beats Joe Brown but I think Laguna would be too active for him and steal close rounds, and Buchanan was too good of a scrapper. If Buchanan does get down on points he will look for an inside battle where he will be superior to Hector and with his great stamina he'll come on late to clinch it imo. Not sure about Jimmy Carter (depends if you believe his off nights were really off nights or if they were pre-ordained by the Mob) but I don't think he beats Jimmy Carter at his best there. An an 'off night', sure.

[Sweet Pea]

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

[redrooster]

Hector got out of the gates much quicker in his career than Julio did and Camacho was moving up through the weight classes before Chavez was. I'm not really sure who's fault it was for the fight not happening earlier. I think if either man REALLY wanted it, they would have made a concerted effort to make it happen by either staying in the same division or moving up to the other's division.

Interesting here that in the post fight interview against Ramirez, Camacho didn't call Chavez out. Kind of indicative of what I'm saying.


Remember that Hector was the main man in both divisions from 82-86 while Chavez was the invisible man until Hector stepped up each time. Julio patiently waited for Hector to move up in order to avoid a confrontation and protect that 40-0 record. There doesnt seem to be much doubt about it.

Remember, these are two men who came up at the same time - in the same weight class and Julio didn't once bother to compete with him, instead picking on fighters with multiple losses to gain exposure. And remember who was winning the titles and grabbing all the headlines. Julio was always trailing behind. Hell, he didnt even make it onto network television until Summer 1985.

This was a deliberate move as Julio was being expertly managed. Staying under the radar so that he isn't a big enough name for Hector to call him out. Anyways, Julio didn't really cut out a name for himself until the Rosario fight-again, another multiple loser.

[JohnThomas1]

LMAO! Chavez afraid of Camacho? :rofl

OMG, what next?

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl