Amir Kahn - Overated

[Smirf]

Does anyone agree with me hes fought no one of class yet and people are over the moon with him, dont get me wrong I hope he does well but think all the world lightweight champions of today of beat him.

I think Frank ****** is going to make all the money he can out of him then send him to the US and then hell get beat.

[brown bomber]

I'm sure I read something like this on another thread-can't be sure must have been ages ago!

[Top Dog]

Christ, understatement of the year mate. He's totaly over-rated, fought no-one to merit the bumph written about him, good marketing thats all.

[Smirf]

Christ, understatement of the year mate. He's totaly over-rated, fought no-one to merit the bumph written about him, good marketing thats all.

Im glad someone agrees hes got a glass chin aswell, and if hatton and kahn met hatton would knock him clean out

[Steve Fox]

Amir Khan - for my money - is always going to be a vulnerable fighter, but he does posess world class speed and I think, a fair dig. While he may never be the best in whichever weight division he happens to be in, I think he may well be able to blow away several highly respected fighters.

[TFFP]

In the press he is overrated, on here he is underrated

The truth is somewhere in the middle. Why do people like to go to such extremes? He is a very good fighter, he's coming along slowly and seems to be improving every fight

We could do with seeing him against different types of fighters, and bigger punchers. But from what I've seen he is easily second in Europe, behind only Romanov, which is a great start for a 21 year old

Give him a break :roll:

[doggyland]

In the press he is overrated, on here he is underrated

The truth is somewhere in the middle. Why do people like to go to such extremes? He is a very good fighter, he's coming along slowly and seems to be improving every fight

We could do with seeing him against different types of fighters, and bigger punchers. But from what I've seen he is easily second in Europe, behind only Romanov, which is a great start for a 21 year old

Give him a break :roll:


:good :good

[elle]

We could do with seeing him against different types of fighters, and bigger punchers.


Let me know when that happens ....

[TFFP]

Let me know when that happens ....
He's hardly going to win a world title without facing a puncher, so I wouldn't get your knickers in a twist

[elle]

He's hardly going to win a world title without facing a puncher, so I wouldn't get your knickers in a twist


With Khan not everything revolves around winning world titles for me.

Just in terms of his own development as a boxer and to clear up the doubts over his questionable chin I'd like to see him face different types of fighters including bigger punchers just like YOU said.

[GazOC]

Im glad someone agrees hes got a glass chin aswell, and if hatton and kahn met hatton would knock him clean out

So you're going out on a limb and saying an experienced world champion at light welter would be able to beat a young lightweight prospect?;)

[Bodysnatcher]

Don't have any problem with Kahn.

Is he overrated and over-hyped?

Of course.

But he's an exciting fighter and his dodgy chin just adds to the entertainment value (Khan/Limond was fantastic...I was cheering on both fighters).

Khan is also helping improve the profile of the sport in this country...without Khan, would Carl Froch and Enzo Macaranelli command top billing on Saturday night ITV schedules?

Possible but doubtful, imho.

[rooq]

Does anyone agree with me hes fought no one of class yet and people are over the moon with him, dont get me wrong I hope he does well but think all the world lightweight champions of today of beat him.

I think Frank ****** is going to make all the money he can out of him then send him to the US and then hell get beat.

i'd never considered it to be honest. thanks for bringing this outrage to my attention.

i'm now going to write a stern letter to my MP.

[Betty Swollocks]

the fruits who thought Hatton waa gonna batter Mayweather are the same ones who fall for the Khan hype, and the Audrey hype before that. You just have to pity those fools.

[rooq]

the fruits who thought Hatton waa gonna batter Mayweather are the same ones who fall for the Khan hype, and the Audrey hype before that. You just have to pity those fools.

nah, i believe this is a whole different collection of fruits.

i have never met someone who is a khan, hatton and audley fan.

[GazOC]

the fruits who thought Hatton waa gonna batter Mayweather are the same ones who fall for the Khan hype, and the Audrey hype before that. You just have to pity those fools.

And you ain't getting on no plane?

[brown bomber]

And you ain't getting on no plane?:lol:

[joekirkbycobra]

Does anyone agree with me hes fought no one of class yet and people are over the moon with him, dont get me wrong I hope he does well but think all the world lightweight champions of today of beat him.

I think Frank ****** is going to make all the money he can out of him then send him to the US and then hell get beat.

best wins:
st claire - a blown up super feather
earl - shot!
limond - not evn a full time pro (apparently)
but it is early days so im not complaining

best fights out there:
katsidas- very hard fight
diaz - very hard fight
diaz - not as hard as the first 2 but still good
casamayor - hard fight

should fight next:
in my opinion freitas - old but can till punch
jono thaxton - so he can back his words up
yuri romanov- makes most sense
john murray - because i believe he's going to be the real deal at lightweight

[bumdujour]

personally, i think he starting to get underrated.

[mofo2]

Ive been a sceptic about Amirs ability for a long time,but he's had a couple of improved performances so could be worth the benefit of the doubt.......

[ron u.k.]

i think this is a bit harsh.i'm not convinced he's the 2nd coming or anything like that,and like others i have concerns about his whiskers,but i think the kid is coming along nicely.he's got blistering hand speed,good if not great power,he moves well and i thought his judgement of distance against st.clair was excellent.he was decked by an admitedly relatively light hitter in limond,but one thing he did show people in there was that he had great heart,the way he fought back to win.so we know he has speed,talent,good movement and heart that's not exactly a bad set of attributes for starters and all at the age of 21,lets face it he's only had 15 fights or so.of course the big question is his chin,they're obviously keeping him away from punchers,but sooner or later when they put him into real world class he'll have to go into deeper waters.i personally still have my doubts about his whiskers,but i still think the critics for a kid of 21 are a little way over the top.he's done everything thats been asked of him so far,and probably a bit more.

[Claypole]

personally, i think he starting to get underrated.This underating nonsense is overated.

[faisal]

best wins:
st claire - a blown up super feather
earl - shot!
limond - not evn a full time pro (apparently)
but it is early days so im not complaining

best fights out there:
katsidas- very hard fight
diaz - very hard fight
diaz - not as hard as the first 2 but still good
casamayor - hard fight

should fight next:
in my opinion freitas - old but can till punch
jono thaxton - so he can back his words up
yuri romanov- makes most sense
john murray - because i believe he's going to be the real deal at lightweight
are u for real?, u might wanna do a little analysis on murrays record before u start calling him the real deal at 135

[rooq]

This underating nonsense is overated.

all this overating and underating is getting nauseating

[kurt2006]

are u for real?, u might wanna do a little analysis on murrays record before u start calling him the real deal at 135

Yes, Murray looked shit in his last fight. Khan looked shit in the Limmond fight.

They have bothe fought cans.

Out the two Khan has looked more impressive.

[elle]

Yes, Murray looked shit in his last fight. Khan looked shit in the Limmond fight.

They have bothe fought cans.

Out the two Khan has looked more impressive.


Out of the two at least Murray's upcoming fight against Fewkes should be more impressive compared to Khan's outing against Kristjansen. :good

[Benjiabc]

sick of reading these shit threads. amir has not thought top class opponents yet because he is not ready. noone is saying hes the best in the world. but he has the potential. enough with these threads already

[Benjiabc]

And you ain't getting on no plane?



lol haha like it:good

[Claypole]

should be more impressive compared to Khan's outing against Kristjansen. :goodNo, no, no, Kristjansen is WBO No1 contender. How can that be bettered? FW has done an amazing job to get such a highly ranked, risky opponent.

[brown bomber]

Out of the two at least Murray's upcoming fight against Fewkes should be more impressive compared to Khan's outing against Kristjansen. :good Fewkes is more dangerous then St Clair. :shock:

[elle]

No, no, no, Kristjansen is WBO No1 contender. How can that be bettered? FW has done an amazing job to get such a highly ranked, risky opponent.

Can't believe you, of all people, have fallen for it. :patsch

I'm hoping its just a passing phase and the old Claypole we love and know will be back .... fingers crossed!

[kurt2006]

Out of the two at least Murray's upcoming fight against Fewkes should be more impressive compared to Khan's outing against Kristjansen. :good

The guy said Murray was goign to be the real deal. Must have been based on past performance and potential he saw in those fights.

Don't know what more he has done than Khan but to me SO FAR the opposition has been similar but to me Khan looks better in terms of his speed and movement.

[brown bomber]

Murray has better punch selection and is a better in fighter but will not beat Khan or match him achievement wise.

[elle]

The guy said Murray was goign to be the real deal. Must have been based on past performance and potential he saw in those fights.

Don't know what more he has done than Khan but to me SO FAR the opposition has been similar but to me Khan looks better in terms of his speed and movement.


Khan v Murray - now there is a domestic fight I'd like to see.

[brown bomber]

Khan v Murray - now there is a domestic fight I'd like to see.never in a million years

[Claypole]

Can't believe you, of all people, have fallen for it. :patsch

I'm hoping its just a passing phase and the old Claypole we love and know will be back .... fingers crossed!Was my sarcasm too subtle? Don't worry, I have not succumbed to the hype, and nor am I likely to anytime soon.
It's a bit worrying though, the amount of people here who have changed their views for no obvious reason. Perhaps they had their accounts hacked....

[elle]

Murray has better punch selection and is a better in fighter but will not beat Khan or match him achievement wise.


I think its a bit early to write Murray off ....

Anyway, its not often we see two genuine young prospects in together so credit to both Murray and Fewkes. :good

[elle]

never in a million years


I'm an eternal optimist - but you're probably right!

[elle]

Was my sarcasm too subtle? Don't worry, I have not succumbed to the hype, and nor am I likely to anytime soon.
It's a bit worrying though, the amount of people here who have changed their views for no obvious reason. Perhaps they had their accounts hacked....


No - I was kidding you but thanks for reassuring me.

Claypole, if a poster like you ever succumbs to the Khan hype I'm out of here .... :bolt

I agree about your last point - there are some fickle pickles around!

[Claypole]

I agree about your last point - there are some fickle pickles around!I understand and respect people's right to change their opinion, and I would be quite happy to do it myself. However, the way Amir Khan is being progressed means it may be a very long time before I start buying into the hype.

[elle]

I understand and respect people's right to change their opinion, and I would be quite happy to do it myself. However, the way Amir Khan is being progressed means it may be a very long time before I start buying into the hype.


Although I have some justifiable cynicism towards the hype surrounding him I haven't actually made up my mind about Khan yet.

It will take sterner tests than the likes of Kristjansen to convince me about him though.

[faisal]

Yes, Murray looked shit in his last fight. Khan looked shit in the Limmond fight.

They have bothe fought cans.

Out the two Khan has looked more impressive.
theres only 1 small difference u forgot to mention Mighty Murray looked shit for the full 10 rounds against a JOURNEYMAN who naturally fights at featherweright, khan only looked shit for 1 round in his 13th pro fight against a very decent opponent whos only loss came to a world champion in alex arthur. If Murray had been in with Some one like st claire or willie limond that night its fair to say he'd have been outboxed.

[LeadLeftHook]

Khan hasnt improved much in terms of head movement. His only defense is "hands up" which isnt helping him in my view. His punch selection has improved but not by much. In the St. Clair most of his punches land right on St. Clairs gloves.

[dwilson]

Khan ko Murray in two rounds.

[elle]

Khan ko Murray in two rounds.

What is your basis for that prediction?

[dwilson]

What is your basis for that prediction?

I do not rate Murray very highly and although I do not like Khan in any way at all he is by far the better fighter and would finish Murray with relative ease.

Murray may well turn into a decent level operator but he will never be a top class contender.

[elle]

theres only 1 small difference u forgot to mention Mighty Murray looked shit for the full 10 rounds against a JOURNEYMAN who naturally fights at featherweright, khan only looked shit for 1 round in his 13th pro fight against a very decent opponent whos only loss came to a world champion in alex arthur. If Murray had been in with Some one like st claire or willie limond that night its fair to say he'd have been outboxed.


Without wishing to go over old ground Faisal there is another difference you forgot to mention. Murray was boxing abroad in his last fight and these mexican guys come to fight and are usually far tougher and more awkward opponents than british journeymen.

As you are already aware that was also Murray's second fight in only 4 weeks after he put in arguably a career best performance in his previous showing.

[elle]

I do not rate Murray very highly and although I do not like Khan in any way at all he is by far the better fighter and would finish Murray with relative ease.

Murray may well turn into a decent level operator but he will never be a top class contender.


In my opinion Khan v Murray would be a more competitive affair than you suggest.

Khan didn't even get Lawton out within two rounds.

[elle]

Dwilson - Murray v Fewkes, who do you think will win?

[dwilson]

In my opinion Khan v Murray would be a more competitive affair than you suggest.

Khan didn't even get Lawton out within two rounds.


Nah honestly it could be competitive but it will not happen because Murray has a pulse so will he be thought to be too dangerous to be an opponent for Khan.

Khan is going onto to a different level in his career as to where Murray is and Murray needs to start to make an impression both domestically and in Europe before being put in with a real danger.

The Fewkes fight looks good. Both young excting prospects. I've seen Fewkes fight live a few times and he is hot, unfortunetly for him he has little power so Murray should be able to catch up with him and stop him.

[kurt2006]

theres only 1 small difference u forgot to mention Mighty Murray looked shit for the full 10 rounds against a JOURNEYMAN who naturally fights at featherweright, khan only looked shit for 1 round in his 13th pro fight against a very decent opponent whos only loss came to a world champion in alex arthur. If Murray had been in with Some one like st claire or willie limond that night its fair to say he'd have been outboxed.

Since when has Alex Arthur been a world champion ?

[robpalmer135]

Amir Khan of 10 fights beats John Murray of 20!

Limmond beats Murray with ease

[kurt2006]

Amir Khan of 10 fights beats John Murray of 20!

Limmond beats Murray with ease

& Baz Carey could go distance with them all.

[elle]

Amir Khan of 10 fights beats John Murray of 20!

Limmond beats Murray with ease


:huh
Khan hadn't fought a 10 rounder until his 10th fight! Up until then they had all been 4/6 round bouts.