View Full Version : How come no one talks About Calzaghe...
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:03 AM
Time and time again I hear some of you talk about how Floyd Mayweather is ducking top WW and taking on easy opponents. Fact is, for years he has been putting in work. People forget it wasn't too long ago when he asked shane mosley to fight him and he didn't want to. Now he's on top and he deserves to call the shots. He fought DLH totally under his request. glove size, site for the fight, agreed to get less of the purse, all of it. Cause he knew once he beat him then he could be in position to call the shots. I just think its funny how so many of you talk about how great Calzaghe is but no one seems to talk about how for years he never fought in the US. never fought roy in his prime. Benard in his prime. James toney in his prime. Tarver in his prime. Winky. The list goes one. So some of you talk about Floyd resume, Calzaghe has two creditable victories as far as im concerned. Neither on of them away from home I might add. So we'll see what he does on the 12th.
Time and time again I hear some of you talk about how Floyd Mayweather is ducking top WW and taking on easy opponents. Fact is, for years he has been putting in work. People forget it wasn't too long ago when he asked shane mosley to fight him and he didn't want to. Now he's on top and he deserves to call the shots. He fought DLH totally under his request. glove size, site for the fight, agreed to get less of the purse, all of it. Cause he knew once he beat him then he could be in position to call the shots. I just think its funny how so many of you talk about how great Calzaghe is but no one seems to talk about how for years he never fought in the US. never fought roy in his prime. Benard in his prime. James toney in his prime. Tarver in his prime. Winky. The list goes one. So some of you talk about Floyd resume, Calzaghe has two creditable victories as far as im concerned. Neither on of them away from home I might add. So we'll see what he does on the 12th.
Are you on a fucking wind up?
Time and time again I hear some of you talk about how Floyd Mayweather is ducking top WW and taking on easy opponents. Fact is, for years he has been putting in work. People forget it wasn't too long ago when he asked shane mosley to fight him and he didn't want to. Now he's on top and he deserves to call the shots. He fought DLH totally under his request. glove size, site for the fight, agreed to get less of the purse, all of it. Cause he knew once he beat him then he could be in position to call the shots. I just think its funny how so many of you talk about how great Calzaghe is but no one seems to talk about how for years he never fought in the US. never fought roy in his prime. Benard in his prime. James toney in his prime. Tarver in his prime. Winky. The list goes one. So some of you talk about Floyd resume, Calzaghe has two creditable victories as far as im concerned. Neither on of them away from home I might add. So we'll see what he does on
the 12th.
ITS BEEN MENTIONED ON OTHER THREADS. AS A MATTER OF FACT IT ALWAYS COMES UP.
ThePlugInBabies
02-20-2008, 10:07 AM
hopkins - backed out of a proposed fight in 2002.
winky - too fucking small.
toney was fighting at cruiser by the time joe won his first strap.
tarver - who knows?
anything else you need clearing up?
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:11 AM
Haha just conversation boys don't get all bent out of shape!!
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:12 AM
winky was or s too small? cause didn't he just fight bernard at light heavy weight? And he fought jermaine two years ago at middle weight
Yeah well, you should try reading about a bit before claiming stuff never comes up. I've seen more Calzaghe fought bum threads than I've had hot dinners
MOTHERFUCKINGCNUTS
ThePlugInBabies
02-20-2008, 10:13 AM
Haha just conversation boys don't get all bent out of shape!!
....and i gave you valid reasons why fights with the guys you mentioned never happened. no one getting "bent out of shape" here.
Arran
02-20-2008, 10:13 AM
Calzaghe is European, the rest american.
Those you named fight in the US mainstream
Calzaghe fights in the EU mainstream.
The fact that americans think the US circuit is automatically better than the EU is laughable, especially considering the amount of European champs thier are who have tore up the US when fighting over thier.
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:13 AM
bernard didnt want to fight him overseas. why should he have? he hadn't lost in over 12 years and he was champ
ThePlugInBabies
02-20-2008, 10:14 AM
winky was or s too small? cause didn't he just fight bernard at light heavy weight? And he fought jermaine two years ago at middle weight
:lol:
because he looked soooooooo good at LHW right? he had to fucking eat his way up! how many times must this be repeated? winky is no good above 160 and even there he looks kinda small. he packs on too much excess weight over MW and loses his leg speed, without it he's a sitting target.
Hawks28
02-20-2008, 10:15 AM
no one talks about Calzaghe? Lol, where the fuck have you been?
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:15 AM
I haven't seen in recent threads and I just joined recently and fro the threads I have seen its about floyd ducking top WW and many are about how JC is so great. So my apologies lol.
Time and time again I hear some of you talk about how Floyd Mayweather is ducking top WW and taking on easy opponents. Fact is, for years he has been putting in work. People forget it wasn't too long ago when he asked shane mosley to fight him and he didn't want to. Now he's on top and he deserves to call the shots. He fought DLH totally under his request. glove size, site for the fight, agreed to get less of the purse, all of it. Cause he knew once he beat him then he could be in position to call the shots. I just think its funny how so many of you talk about how great Calzaghe is but no one seems to talk about how for years he never fought in the US. never fought roy in his prime. Benard in his prime. James toney in his prime. Tarver in his prime. Winky. The list goes one. So some of you talk about Floyd resume, Calzaghe has two creditable victories as far as im concerned. Neither on of them away from home I might add. So we'll see what he does on the 12th.
I thought I'd seen it all, but I was obviously very wrong.
ThePlugInBabies
02-20-2008, 10:16 AM
bernard didnt want to fight him overseas. why should he have? he hadn't lost in over 12 years and he was champ
you can twist it anyway you want, the fact shall remain...
bernard hopkins ducked joe calzaghe in 2002.
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:16 AM
well we will see how good Calzaghe looks at light heavy weight too
Time and time again I hear some of you talk about how Floyd Mayweather is ducking top WW and taking on easy opponents. Fact is, for years he has been putting in work. People forget it wasn't too long ago when he asked shane mosley to fight him and he didn't want to. Now he's on top and he deserves to call the shots. He fought DLH totally under his request. glove size, site for the fight, agreed to get less of the purse, all of it. Cause he knew once he beat him then he could be in position to call the shots. I just think its funny how so many of you talk about how great Calzaghe is but no one seems to talk about how for years he never fought in the US. never fought roy in his prime. Benard in his prime. James toney in his prime. Tarver in his prime. Winky. The list goes one. So some of you talk about Floyd resume, Calzaghe has two creditable victories as far as im concerned. Neither on of them away from home I might add. So we'll see what he does on the 12th.
what would you say were mayweathers/toneys/tarvers /hopkins best wins fighting away from home ?
"Whit Grabs a bag of hot popcorn"
Arran
02-20-2008, 10:17 AM
Time and time again I hear some of you talk about how Floyd Mayweather is ducking top WW and taking on easy opponents. Fact is, for years he has been putting in work. People forget it wasn't too long ago when he asked shane mosley to fight him and he didn't want to. Now he's on top and he deserves to call the shots. He fought DLH totally under his request. glove size, site for the fight, agreed to get less of the purse, all of it. Cause he knew once he beat him then he could be in position to call the shots. I just think its funny how so many of you talk about how great Calzaghe is but no one seems to talk about how for years he never fought in the US. never fought roy in his prime. Benard in his prime. James toney in his prime. Tarver in his prime. Winky. The list goes one. So some of you talk about Floyd resume, Calzaghe has two creditable victories as far as im concerned. Neither on of them away from home I might add. So we'll see what he does on the 12th.
Calzaghe fought many times in England against English fighters, he has a much more credible away record than Bernard. Nowadays it wouldnt matter, but coming up was alot different for Joe, he fought Eubank, Reid etc etc
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:18 AM
Haha he ducked Calzaghe but he moved up to fight tarver and fought jermaine twice? But be ducked Calzaghe. Hmmm......
Hopkins nearly got his ass KO'd when he went away from home, it's no suprise he likes home cooking
ThePlugInBabies
02-20-2008, 10:19 AM
well we will see how good Calzaghe looks at light heavy weight too
it will make zero difference. he fights around the LHW weight on fightnight at SMW. it will most likely aid him as he won't have to drain so hard to make the weight.
well we will see how good Calzaghe looks at light heavy weight too
Trust me, you'll see the best calzaghe ever because he won't have to starve himself so much to make the weight. Slightly more power, and no loss in speed. Calzaghe's natural weight is 14 stone. That's 196 pounds.
The criticism of Joe calzaghe is always born of ignorance. Every single time. My suggestion to you is to learn about Joe, have a good look and study his career, consider the politics involved in boxing, and then try presenting a better argument than "Calzaghe fought bums and ducked all the big names".
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:19 AM
Home being the United states? Cause I think there might, just might be a difference of fighting in a different state as opposed to outside of your home country.
ThePlugInBabies
02-20-2008, 10:20 AM
Haha he ducked Calzaghe but he moved up to fight tarver and fought jermaine twice? But be ducked Calzaghe. Hmmm......
i suggest you go do a little research on the matter before you get schooled. go check out a certain jay nady's comments on a certain meeting that took place at showtime offices in 2002.
Arran
02-20-2008, 10:20 AM
Haha he ducked Calzaghe but he moved up to fight tarver and fought jermaine twice? But be ducked Calzaghe. Hmmm......
:rofl :rofl these two arnt on Joes level!
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:20 AM
True I do think Calzaghe will look good. But we'll just see how he perfoms
Home being the United states? Cause I think there might, just might be a difference of fighting in a different state as opposed to outside of your home country.
Do you know the difference between Wales and England?
Do you know that there is quite the "rivalry" between the two countries?
Read up, and stop displaying typical yank ignorance
Calzaghe is European, the rest american.
Those you named fight in the US mainstream
Calzaghe fights in the EU mainstream.
The fact that americans think the US circuit is automatically better than the EU is laughable, especially considering the amount of European champs thier are who have tore up the US when fighting over thier.
OUR FIGHTERS ARE BETTER. I KNOW YOUR NOT TALKING HATTON?
Home being the United states? Cause I think there might, just might be a difference of fighting in a different state as opposed to outside of your home country.
he means that hopkins has had one title fight overseas in his opponents back yard when he drew in columbia .
edit that it was ecuador
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:22 AM
Hey mister schooled, just tell me why you think Calzaghe didn't fight in the US when he was say in his late 20's or so. You tells us why? I would like to know your opinion since everyone seems to have ducked him.
ThePlugInBabies
02-20-2008, 10:24 AM
Hey mister schooled, just tell me why you think Calzaghe didn't fight in the US when he was say in his late 20's or so. You tells us why? I would like to know your opinion since everyone seems to have ducked him.
i stated that hopkins ducked him, no one else.
the answer to your question would be a certain frank ******.
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:24 AM
Better yet... who Has calzaghe beat who is creditable besides Kessler and jeff lacy?
Arran
02-20-2008, 10:24 AM
OUR FIGHTERS ARE BETTER. I KNOW YOUR NOT TALKING HATTON?
how are they better? Europe dominates the Heavyes and Cruisers...even in the US.
Your fighters never leave home, and always want home advantage, so even when they are beat they get the desicion. Lewis V Holyfield comes to mind. Your fighters arnt better, you just assume it.
ThePlugInBabies
02-20-2008, 10:25 AM
Better yet... who Has calzaghe beat who is creditable besides Kessler and jeff lacy?
ex champs like eubank, reid, woodhall, brewer, mitchell.
Hey mister schooled, just tell me why you think Calzaghe didn't fight in the US when he was say in his late 20's or so. You tells us why? I would like to know your opinion since everyone seems to have ducked him.
I'll tell you why. Because he was ducked by Bernard Hopkins and Roid Jones. Both of them priced themselves out of a fight with Joe.
Another reason: his promoters. Don't blame Joe. First, blame Mickey Duff and Frank ******.
Hey mister schooled, just tell me why you think Calzaghe didn't fight in the US when he was say in his late 20's or so. You tells us why? I would like to know your opinion since everyone seems to have ducked him.
when calzaghe was in his 20`s the best american fighters in his weight class was probably echolls.
echols was a fighter who once turned down an american tv slot because they wanted to cut his purse from $30k as they thought they were paying him to much.
Arran
02-20-2008, 10:25 AM
Hey mister schooled, just tell me why you think Calzaghe didn't fight in the US when he was say in his late 20's or so. You tells us why? I would like to know your opinion since everyone seems to have ducked him.
why fight infront of 9000 (pavlik v taylor) when you can fight in a real stadium infront of 20-50 thousand? With real atmosphere, the US is a bore-fest! you have no atmosphere!
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:26 AM
oh.. So it was someone else's fault not Calzaghe's..I see For all those years it was someone elses fault. So for many years he hasn't been in control of his career I guess then.
Arran
02-20-2008, 10:26 AM
Better yet... who Has calzaghe beat who is creditable besides Kessler and jeff lacy?
the fact that you mention Lacy over Eubank is laughable! And typical american short-sightedness.
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:28 AM
Fight in front of 90 thousand against people you know you can beat or fight against top divisional opponents to seal your legacy. guess thats what he's trying to do now.
how are they better? Europe dominates the Heavyes and Cruisers...even in the US.
Your fighters never leave home, and always want home advantage, so even when they are beat they get the desicion. Lewis V Holyfield comes to mind. Your fighters arnt better, you just assume it.
YOU MUST BE TALKING ABOUT AT THE MOMENT. IF YOU LOOK AT ANY DIVISION OVER THE LAST TWENTY YEAR WE DOMINATE.
ThePlugInBabies
02-20-2008, 10:28 AM
oh.. So it was someone else's fault not Calzaghe's..I see For all those years it was someone elses fault. So for many years he hasn't been in control of his career I guess then.
with all due respect to joe i don't think he's the sharpest of tools and would often go along with frank as long as he provided the big paycheck.
secondly, a lack of american talent in his division.
oh and FRKO, bollocks did RJJ duck joe.
oh.. So it was someone else's fault not Calzaghe's..I see For all those years it was someone elses fault. So for many years he hasn't been in control of his career I guess then.
No, he is not in full control. Anyone under a contract is rarely under full control. Do you know that Joe never made a single penny in his first 20 or 21 fights? He ended up OWING Mickey Duff Ģ20,000 by the time he left him. Go figure. Boxing politics are extremely fucked up.
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:30 AM
I'm not blaming him for not being a American at all. That is crazy to say. What I'm saying is the best fighters and the camps were from and in the US. Why should Roy, bernard or anyone else who was recognized as the pound 4 pound best have to go out of the country to fight him?
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:32 AM
Yeah I just wish he could have gotten with a different promoter than waste some good years and possibly out of a lot of Money...
I'm not blaming him for not being a American at all. That is crazy to say. What I'm saying is the best fighters and the camps were from and in the US. Why should Roy, bernard or anyone else who was recognized as the pound 4 pound best have to go out of the country to fight him?
Same applies to Joe. Why should a world champ who's never lost a fight in 17 years (amateur into pro) have to chase those guys around? Just because they are American, and therefore somehow superior?
Yeah I just wish he could have gotten with a different promoter than waste some good years and possibly out of a lot of Money...
Who would you suggest as promoter? I know Don King wants him very badly. Joe was very wise not to go to Don King.
"Joe Calzaghe is a diamond in the rough" ~ Don King
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:36 AM
For the record. I love Calzaghe and Floyd. And I give Joe tons of credit for coming over and challenging Bernard. But the point of this thread was I think they both meaning Floyd and Calzaghe have paid their doos. And they both should be able to call the shots in their careers at this point.
I'm not blaming him for not being a American at all. That is crazy to say. What I'm saying is the best fighters and the camps were from and in the US. Why should Roy, bernard or anyone else who was recognized as the pound 4 pound best have to go out of the country to fight him?
if we were all on the same time zones , europeans fighting in america would not be a problem.
how would you feel if american high profile boxing fight took place at 4.30 am on a sunday morning ?
thats what you are asking european boxing fans to put up with, would you or your countrymen be happy with this policy.?
Arran
02-20-2008, 10:37 AM
YOU MUST BE TALKING ABOUT AT THE MOMENT. IF YOU LOOK AT ANY DIVISION OVER THE LAST TWENTY YEAR WE DOMINATE.
you dominated because Eastern Euros couldnt fight!!!! Or are you telling me they became good over-night?
Stop living in the past!
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:37 AM
Yeah i'm not sure who he should go to. Not very many out there.
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:39 AM
Good point.. But I think fans at the fight have a bigger impact than fans watching the fight. no offense
I'll tell you why. Because he was ducked by Bernard Hopkins and Roid Jones. Both of them priced themselves out of a fight with Joe.
Another reason: his promoters. Don't blame Joe. First, blame Mickey Duff and Frank ******.
Roy Jones ducked and priced himself out of a Calzaghe fight? When did this happen?:huh
rusticraver
02-20-2008, 10:49 AM
Good point.. But I think fans at the fight have a bigger impact than fans watching the fight. no offense
Calzaghe Kessler attendance - 58,000
Hopkins v Joe attendance - max what? 20k?
jonny_plant
02-20-2008, 10:52 AM
Haha he ducked Calzaghe but he moved up to fight tarver and fought jermaine twice? But be ducked Calzaghe. Hmmm......
cant believe your comparring talyor to calzaghe, this is just laughable... there is a middle, super middle or light heavyweight on the planet that could beat jc
Boro chris
02-20-2008, 10:53 AM
"Whit Grabs a bag of hot popcorn"
:rofl So you like watching repeats then?
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 10:56 AM
Wow that is a bold statement! Hopefully we will be able to see if thats hold true. Hopefully we will fight at least three more times.
:rofl So you like watching repeats then?
Repeats of the same threads on ESB everyday I assume?
If so hell yeah you can't buy this type of entertainment.
Hermit
02-20-2008, 10:57 AM
Yeah well, you should try reading about a bit before claiming stuff never comes up.
On this site? What a concept.:rofl
Roy Jones ducked and priced himself out of a Calzaghe fight? When did this happen?:huh
According to Frank ******, yes. I also think it happened more than once. I'm not sure when. Ask Frank.
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 11:01 AM
Calzaghe Kessler attendance - 58,000
Hopkins v Joe attendance - max what? 20k?
So basically you are saying that the reason why JC never chose to come to the US and fight the other top middle weights is because he would rather stay and fight in infront of more people in his home town? Why not beata couple top fighters in the division on PPV and earn twice as much. Floyd 25 million for one fight. Thats worth it to me.
Arran
02-20-2008, 11:04 AM
So basically you are saying that the reason why JC never chose to come to the US and fight the other top middle weights is because he would rather stay and fight in infront of more people in his home town? Why not beata couple top fighters in the division on PPV and earn twice as much. Floyd 25 million for one fight. Thats worth it to me.
Joe is famous in Britian, he gets bigger crowds in britain than any boxer in America, he has earned enough money to live comfortably, his kids to live comfortably as well. Why would he go to ythe states to fight in a library style arena with 9000 fans to me shafted like Sturm V ODLH, Lennox v Holy etc etc?
rusticraver
02-20-2008, 11:04 AM
So basically you are saying that the reason why JC never chose to come to the US and fight the other top middle weights is because he would rather stay and fight in infront of more people in his home town? Why not beata couple top fighters in the division on PPV and earn twice as much. Floyd 25 million for one fight. Thats worth it to me.
Yeah that's what he's doing now. SMW is a largely European division. Hopkins skipped SMW to avoid Calzaghe and Roy Jones has said Calzaghe wasn't worth the risk at the money. It's hardly his fault.
Add to that the fact we have our own very healthy boxing scene and history of great fights and attendances...
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 11:07 AM
[quote=jonny_plant]cant believe your comparring talyor to calzaghe, this is just laughable... there is a middle, super middle or light heavyweight on the planet that could beat jc[/quote
I'm not comparing Taylor to Calzaghe smart. But taylor beat Hopkins twice someone who hadn't been beat in twelve years.
According to Frank ******, yes. I also think it happened more than once. I'm not sure when. Ask Frank.
Of course Frank ****** would say something like that. I don't Roy Ducked him or the other way around for that matter. I don't think B-Hop Ducked him either considering he agreed to fight Joe at 43 Yrs. old. Frank ****** Is Joe's promoter so of course he would say something like that.
rusticraver
02-20-2008, 11:08 AM
[quote=jonny_plant]cant believe your comparring talyor to calzaghe, this is just laughable... there is a middle, super middle or light heavyweight on the planet that could beat jc[/quote
I'm not comparing Taylor to Calzaghe smart. But taylor beat Hopkins twice someone who hadn't been beat in twelve years.
Yeah cos Hopkins can only beat world class welterweights
So basically you are saying that the reason why JC never chose to come to the US and fight the other top middle weights is because he would rather stay and fight in infront of more people in his home town? Why not beata couple top fighters in the division on PPV and earn twice as much. Floyd 25 million for one fight. Thats worth it to me.
there was not one single fighter in america 1997 though 2007 at 168 who brought more money to the table than clazaghe could earn in europe.
simple as that.
there was not a single fighter from 154 through to 160 from 1997 to 2007 who moved up to 168 and was worth or did anything.
a few canadians/a few europeans/ calzaghe definatly should have fought and no excuses team calzaghe went for easier options.
there can be a case made for calzaghe giving up his money /moving up in weight and trting to get a number 1 ranking at light heavy and then wait for a mandatory shot v jones .
if he beat jones he would have made lots of money
if he lost to jones he would have wastd 2 to 3 years and passed on a lot of money.
IMO jones would not have made a calzaghe fight as a voluntary defense 1997 to 2003
rusticraver
02-20-2008, 11:09 AM
Of course Frank ****** would say something like that. I don't Roy Ducked him or the other way around for that matter. I don't think B-Hop Ducked him either considering he agreed to fight Joe at 43 Yrs. old. Frank ****** Is Joe's promoter so of course he would say something like that.
It's common knowledge hopkins doubled money after fight was agreed 5 years ago. confirmed loads of times
ThePlugInBabies
02-20-2008, 11:09 AM
I don't think B-Hop Ducked him either
despite word from the head of showtime boxing that proved he did?
Yeah that's what he's doing now. SMW is a largely European division. Hopkins skipped SMW to avoid Calzaghe and Roy Jones has said Calzaghe wasn't worth the risk at the money. It's hardly his fault.
Add to that the fact we have our own very healthy boxing scene and history of great fights and attendances...
Hopkins skipped the SMW division to avoid Calzaghe? They are about to fight in April I don't think I would call that avoiding him.
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 11:11 AM
Of course Frank ****** would say something like that. I don't Roy Ducked him or the other way around for that matter. I don't think B-Hop Ducked him either considering he agreed to fight Joe at 43 Yrs. old. Frank ****** Is Joe's promoter so of course he would say something like that.
I don't think they ducked him either. And the reason why he would come to the states and fight is the same reason he is now. to try and seal his legacy. If he would have retired after kessler He couldn't have been considered a all time great because of his lack of quality opponents. Thats why he is still fighting now. Thats why i give him credit for doing so even at 35
If the fight didn't come to fruitation then yeah you can make a case for him "ducking" Calzaghe I guess but the fact that this fight is about to take place it really shouldn't be an issue then.
I don't think they ducked him either. And the reason why he would come to the states and fight is the same reason he is now. to try and seal his legacy. If he would have retired after kessler He couldn't have been considered a all time great because of his lack of quality opponents. Thats why he is still fighting now. Thats why i give him credit for doing so even at 35
Agreed!:good
rusticraver
02-20-2008, 11:15 AM
If the fight didn't come to fruitation then yeah you can make a case for him "ducking" Calzaghe I guess but the fact that this fight is about to take place it really shouldn't be an issue then.
It should have happened 5 years ago is the point. Now hopkins has an excuse (being old)
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 11:18 AM
It should have happened 5 years ago is the point. Now hopkins has an excuse (being old)
I don't think Hopkins will be the one making excuses. Others may. Hopkins might disagree with the judges if the fight goes to a decision if he loses lol. No matter how close or lopsided the fight may be.
It should have happened 5 years ago is the point. Now hopkins has an excuse (being old)
Though I do think Calzaghe will win it won't be an easy fight for him by any means. Prime for Prime it would be a dream match up but I guess we will never know. Don't be suprised if the fight goes the other way though.
Hopkins skipped the SMW division to avoid Calzaghe? They are about to fight in April I don't think I would call that avoiding him.
Hopkins is doing it for the money now, and also because he doesn't want to be remembered as "the guy that ducked Calzaghe". Pretty simple.
Max Molyneux
02-20-2008, 11:23 AM
well we will see how good Calzaghe looks at light heavy weight too
When will Hopkins fight a LHW? Tarver was bulking down and was mediocre and then he fights a teletubby version of Winky Wright and has a close fight.
PH|LLA
02-20-2008, 11:25 AM
this thread is retarded from the first sentence. Thats all people talk about.
rusticraver
02-20-2008, 11:26 AM
I don't think hopkins knew how big joe was when he first called him out
Hopkins is doing it for the money now, and also because he doesn't want to be remembered as "the guy that ducked Calzaghe". Pretty simple.
Yes I think he is doing it for the money and no not for being known as the guy who ducked Calzaghe. So it's not that simple. The truth is he would not be remembered that way because most people don't even know who the hell Calzaghe is in the US except people like us in these forums. The general public won't say " Hopkins was good but he never fought Calzaghe" when he is retired. Wether he fought Calzaghe or not he will alway be remembered as a great fighter.
this thread is retarded from the first sentence. Thats all people talk about.
I don't even know why im wasting my time in this thread.
rusticraver
02-20-2008, 11:31 AM
Yes I think he is doing it for the money and no not for being known as the guy who ducked Calzaghe. So it's not that simple. The truth is he would not be remembered that way because most people don't even know who the hell Calzaghe is in the US except people like us in these forums. The general public won't say " Hopkins was good but he never fought Calzaghe" when he is retired. Wether he fought Calzaghe or not he will alway be remembered as a great fighter.
People who don't know who a 10 year champion in boxing is aren't boxing fans.
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 11:33 AM
this thread is retarded from the first sentence. Thats all people talk about.
If you felt tat way just don't respond. No ones forcing you.
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 11:34 AM
I don't even know why im wasting my time in this thread.
lol You have made good points that why haha:good
Max Molyneux
02-20-2008, 11:38 AM
Hey mister schooled, just tell me why you think Calzaghe didn't fight in the US when he was say in his late 20's or so. You tells us why? I would like to know your opinion since everyone seems to have ducked him.
Whats the fuss about fighting In the US anyway, except for Floyd, the best guys are either Mexican, Fhillipino or Puerto Rican.
People who don't know who a 10 year champion in boxing is aren't boxing fans.
Just because people have never heard of Calzaghe does not mean they are not boxing fans. He has never fought in the US before and no major networks in the US televised his fights until just recently. Most people don't come here on ESB everyday and discuss boxing like we do either. Now that he is fighting in the US against a fighter like Hopkins that the general public will know who he is but he only has a couple fights left anyway according to him.
lol You have made good points that why haha:good
It's not the thread my apologies but just some of the people some time.
teletubby version of Winky Wright
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Tinky Winky.
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pipe wrenched
02-20-2008, 11:48 AM
:lol:
Tinky Winky.
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:rofl Hell no!! Where did you get that??:lol:
ringini
02-20-2008, 11:52 AM
Joe is a class fighter.... but you have to admit that he has been a chicken for his hole career... he has never fought anybody away from his home.... and now he is tryng to define himself by going to the us and fight an over the hill BHOP.... but he is good... but not a top 3 p4p fighter...
Arran
02-20-2008, 11:56 AM
Joe is a class fighter.... but you have to admit that he has been a chicken for his hole career... he has never fought anybody away from his home.... and now he is tryng to define himself by going to the us and fight an over the hill BHOP.... but he is good... but not a top 3 p4p fighter...
hes fought in England many times!
ringini
02-20-2008, 11:56 AM
and dont give me all these reasons why he did´nt fight him and him... even though lacy was a bum he did´nt dare going to the us and fight...allthugh that would have given him props.... and the kessler fight was only going to happen in cardiff.... so stop the crap...please
let JC beat BHOP and then define himself by either fighting Chad Dawson og a rematch in the us against kessler... than you can talk about a kind of a world legend.... and not just a british legend
Max Molyneux
02-20-2008, 11:57 AM
:lol:
Tinky Winky.
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The perfect facial expression to Photoshop his face onto Tinky Winky.:rofl
:rofl Hell no!! Where did you get that??:lol:
I used a photo editing program. Had to be done! Thanks for the suggestion, Max Molyneux. ;)
ringini
02-20-2008, 11:57 AM
yes in englang which has been under his circumstances and maybe 200 miles from his home.... not good enough....sorry
Arran
02-20-2008, 11:59 AM
its a different country! He fought Englishmen in England! Where he wasnt the fan favourite which is a more intimidating atmosphere than Hopkins has ever been in! Period!
ringini
02-20-2008, 12:01 PM
you are right... but the competion my friend was pure shit...richie is the only englishman who could fight...period:)
joekirkbycobra
02-20-2008, 12:04 PM
hopkins - backed out of a proposed fight in 2002.
winky - too fucking small.
toney was fighting at cruiser by the time joe won his first strap.
tarver - who knows?
anything else you need clearing up?
arver was too heavy
jnuns21
02-20-2008, 12:04 PM
you are right... but the competion my friend was pure shit...richie is the only englishman who could fight...period:)
Wow.. Very strong words!! But good points:good
and dont give me all these reasons why he didīnt fight him and him... even though lacy was a bum he didīnt dare going to the us and fight...allthugh that would have given him props....
What do you think would have been the outcome had he fought Lacy in America?
ringini
02-20-2008, 12:06 PM
he would have fucked lacy up big time... joe is a wonderful fighter... he has just been protected... absolutely no doubt he would have beaten lacy in tha us
he would have fucked lacy up big time... joe is a wonderful fighter... he has just been protected... absolutely no doubt he would have beaten lacy in tha us
Well, when he beats hopkins and whoever then after, you will see him perched on top of the P4P list, because mayweathers not earning his spot. Joe will then retire on top undeafeated. Now thats a ledgend in the making!! :good
ringini
02-20-2008, 12:21 PM
dont think he will go top mate....if manny beats marquez he will go up....but maybe just keep th 2 spot..... i think that floyd is keeping that spot for a long time... and please dont say that he is not earning it(he IS te top dog, like him or not)... especially when you in the same sentence say joe will go top...
dont think he will go top mate....if manny beats marquez he will go up....but maybe just keep th 2 spot..... i think that floyd is keeping that spot for a long time... and please dont say that he is not earning it(he IS te top dog, like him or not)... especially when you in the same sentence say joe will go top...
If mayweather fights delahoya again i think he should move down a knotch or two, i think he is brilliant but calzaghe will be fighting a top 5 p4p this year, so with manny and maybe pavlik steamrolling who knows its possible calzaghe may sit on top, but i hear ya
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