Cruiserweight = most exciting weight in boxing, real heavyweights [Archive]

chewy 22

07-09-2007, 07:06 PM

RAMPAGE0017

07-09-2007, 07:11 PM

The cruiserweight division is definitely better than the heavyweight division, today.

GalangK

07-09-2007, 07:12 PM

chewy 22

07-09-2007, 07:14 PM

I wouldn't say that Holyfield is too lazy to train. You can criticize the man a lot these days but one area that you can't blast the man on is his physical conditioning.

But I agree, the Cruiserweight division for once actually seems to be a very exciting division these days.

Its true, that at 42 years old he's still fitter than most American heavyweights. Thats incredible ; too incredible, he's juicy. he's soaking in juice. :smoke

Irish Steel

07-09-2007, 07:17 PM

chewy 22

07-09-2007, 07:29 PM

I beg to differ. FIrst of all, heavy weight is usually for peoiple who are naturally bigger. I also believe cruiser weight is for heavy people who are just starting their career, or just plain suck. THey choose to remain in the cruisers because they know they wilol get their ass janded to them by the HW's.

And second of all, is Wlad ever out of shape? No, any time i have ever seen him, he is in great shape, and is finely chiseled. Only James TOney and Valuev are the HW's with less than desireable physiques.

i never said Wlad was out of shape. Im trying to say that the average Heavyweight is out of shape. Have you seen Danny Williams? How many ripped heavys do you see nowadays? Compared to yesteryear, not many.

RAMPAGE0017

07-09-2007, 07:32 PM

I beg to differ. FIrst of all, heavy weight is usually for peoiple who are naturally bigger. I also believe cruiser weight is for heavy people who are just starting their career, or just plain suck. THey choose to remain in the cruisers because they know they wilol get their ass janded to them by the HW's.

And second of all, is Wlad ever out of shape? No, any time i have ever seen him, he is in great shape, and is finely chiseled. Only James TOney and Valuev are the HW's with less than desireable physiques.

I don't think the cruiserweight division is THAT bad, it's a division full of guys who are big but just not big enough. Some heavyweights are just way too big these days. Even smaller heavyweights like David Tua, or Mike Tyson were built like station wagons. Most top cruiserweights are also in good shape, as well.

PrideOfWales

07-09-2007, 07:33 PM

Only James TOney and Valuev are the HW's with less than desireable physiques.

That is the worst sentence I have ever seen on this forum, and I've witnessed some major tripe!

chewy 22

07-09-2007, 07:35 PM

they should just scrap the cruiserweight division, then you have an instantly good heavy scene. the average heavyweight today looks like a bouncer.

Smith

07-09-2007, 07:37 PM

I myself find the cruiser division the most exciting for the time being along with super feather, but thats me personally.

chewy 22

07-09-2007, 07:43 PM

That is the worst sentence I have ever seen on this forum, and I've witnessed some major tripe!

:yep

andyZOR

07-09-2007, 08:21 PM

Cruiserweight right now is better. IN Heavyweight... theres only Wlad.... and thats boring.... Heaveyweight = not much competition. Cruiserweight is where its at.

Axe

07-09-2007, 08:24 PM

Mormeck
Haye
O' Neil Bell
Huck
Ding a ling
Macrenilli
Adameck
Cunningham
Braithwaite
Jirov

etc

Who says heavyweight boxing is dead? Rocky Marciano would have been a Cruiserweight today. So would Jack Johnson. Any1 agree? Heavyweight is basically those who are too lazy to train to get to thier best weight, guys like Toney, Brewster, Rachman, Byrd, Holyfield, 6 foot guys or 7 foot freaks of nature who are to slow to make an exciting contest. :-((

You hit the nail on the head here, the cruisers are tearing it up! Don't forget Krzysztof Wlodarczyk (former IBF champ), he's 1-1 with Cunningham and while not the most skilled boxer, always brings excitement to the show.

chewy 22

07-09-2007, 08:29 PM

being ripped is not beneficial in boxing man. this is not joe weiders mr.olympia. if it was than briggs would not suck so much.

you knew what i meant. im not talking muscle mass. Briggs is at least 20 pounds overweight. how many flabby fighters are present today?

Rachman, igbrimanov, Ruiz, Toney, byrd, Sykes, Fred Quinoto (whoever) Valuev, Brewster, Briggs, Mercer, McCall (whos in better shape), Roman Greenberg, all the British heavyweights, Sam Sam Sinal etc

Primadonna Kool

07-09-2007, 08:36 PM

Its true, that at 42 years old he's still fitter than most American heavyweights. Thats incredible ; too incredible, he's juicy. he's soaking in juice. :smoke

Evander Holyfield is 44 years old.

chewy 22

07-09-2007, 08:57 PM

Evander Holyfield is 44 years old.

thats even worse. :-(

lomzyniak89

07-09-2007, 09:56 PM

i don;t like the crusiweight they seem like they don;t hit HARD

PrideOfWales

07-09-2007, 09:57 PM

i don;t like the crusiweight they seem like they don;t hit HARD

Hmm, try telling that to Haye, Maccaranelli, Wilson et al :patsch

KobeIsGod

07-09-2007, 10:12 PM

Maybe im in the minority here, but im really not impressed with the cruisers. I'm sure part of the reason has to do the very limited exposure received in this division. But watching Mormeck-Bell while very exciting early, left you wondering if these were really the creme de la creme of the division. Both have terrible stamina and were extremely sloppy, really don't excel at anything. Mormeck and Haye look more like bodybuilders than boxers. Banks is working with Steward but he and Hayes are moving to hw. Wilson is very exciting and fun to watch w/a rock solid beard but the technique really isn't there. It also seems like a temporary home til fighters are prepared for the hw division.

I'm more impressed with the depth of the current hw division: Wlad, Vit, Peter, Oleg, Ruslan, Iggy, Povetkin, Brewster, Brock, etc.. There are more interesting story lines like with Evander Holyfield's doomed quest and Wald's :yep potential to become a dominant champ. Not to mention the emergence of the former Soviet Union as the dominant force in the division.

Ding

07-09-2007, 10:18 PM

i don;t like the crusiweight they seem like they don;t hit HARD

That just made my day. :nut

emanuel_augustus

07-10-2007, 12:20 AM

Maybe im in the minority here, but im really not impressed with the cruisers. I'm sure part of the reason has to do the very limited exposure received in this division. But watching Mormeck-Bell while very exciting early, left you wondering if these were really the creme de la creme of the division. Both have terrible stamina and were extremely sloppy, really don't excel at anything. Mormeck and Haye look more like bodybuilders than boxers. Banks is working with Steward but he and Hayes are moving to hw. Wilson is very exciting and fun to watch w/a rock solid beard but the technique really isn't there. It also seems like a temporary home til fighters are prepared for the hw division.

I disagree completely. The division has come into its own in the past few years, especially since Toney/Jirov, and is no longer just a weigh station for fat lt. heavies or wanna-be heavyweights.

There is some serious talent there, the top guys fight each other, and, to me it's almost more interesting than the heavies because being smaller, Cruisers can throw a lot more punches and sustain action, but still have heavyweight type power (Ding).

Cruiser is one of the top 3 divisions right now.

Rock0052

07-10-2007, 01:12 AM

I disagree completely. The division has come into its own in the past few years, especially since Toney/Jirov, and is no longer just a weigh station for fat lt. heavies or wanna-be heavyweights.

There is some serious talent there, the top guys fight each other, and, to me it's almost more interesting than the heavies because being smaller, Cruisers can throw a lot more punches and sustain action, but still have heavyweight type power (Ding).

Cruiser is one of the top 3 divisions right now.

Agreed. The only thing stopping it before were the fights not being made, like when Bell was basically sitting on his belt. Now that the matchups are getting made, the division's really showing it's strength.

Grabonator

07-10-2007, 03:50 AM

they should just scrap the cruiserweight division, then you have an instantly good heavy scene. the average heavyweight today looks like a bouncer.

Yeah, common lets bounce!! :smoke
Seriously, what do you mean with bouncer??
I like Cruiserweight but it seems the best of them move up to heavyweight and the not so good stay at cruiserweight. Mormeck and Bell are good fighters but they lack stamina, especially Mormeck, no suprise when you look how hes build and hes slow too. Haye doesnt look like a bodybuilder and really seems to be elite, this guy would be a verry good heavyweight! The cruiserweights is ok but there are better weightclasses around IMO.

The Kurgan

07-10-2007, 04:24 AM

The cruiserweight division is much better than the heavyweight division right now. Compare Mormeck's last two fights with Wlad's; Wlad may be more talented, but I'd far rather watch Mormeck.

The Kurgan

07-10-2007, 04:27 AM

That just made my day. :nut

:lol:

I had to say, with all respect to Chagaev, Ibragimov, Byrd and all the PTS warriors in the heavyweight division, the KOs in the cruiserweight division are superior. EVERY year the great knockouts that the cruiserweight division puts out are overlooked for KOTY.

chewy 22

07-10-2007, 07:01 AM

Yeah, common lets bounce!! :smoke
Seriously, what do you mean with bouncer??
I like Cruiserweight but it seems the best of them move up to heavyweight and the not so good stay at cruiserweight. Mormeck and Bell are good fighters but they lack stamina, especially Mormeck, no suprise when you look how hes build and hes slow too. Haye doesnt look like a bodybuilder and really seems to be elite, this guy would be a verry good heavyweight! The cruiserweights is ok but there are better weightclasses around IMO.

'Bouncer' means some big guy who stands at the door at nightclubs, pubs, bars etc. Big fat guys.

chewy 22

07-10-2007, 07:05 AM

i don;t like the crusiweight they seem like they don;t hit HARD

anyone can knock out anyone in the cruiserweight division. The Heavys might have more strength, but you need speed for the real KO power.

are you watching the same division as me? :?

Odo

07-10-2007, 12:55 PM

Mormeck
Haye
O' Neil Bell
Huck
Ding a ling
Macrenilli
Adameck
Cunningham
Braithwaite
Jirov

etc

Who says heavyweight boxing is dead? Rocky Marciano would have been a Cruiserweight today. So would Jack Johnson. Any1 agree? Heavyweight is basically those who are too lazy to train to get to thier best weight, guys like Toney, Brewster, Rachman, Byrd, Holyfield, 6 foot guys or 7 foot freaks of nature who are to slow to make an exciting contest. :-((

Tokarev,Kraj,Alexeev,Brudov,Firat Arslan,Yoan Hernandez,.....................

You are right! Cruiser is a very hot division all of suddden again.

My guess is that Alexeev will be the undisputed king of that weight division within two years.

Asterion

07-10-2007, 01:03 PM

Heavyweight should start from 190 pounds until 260. A Super Heavyweight division should be created for the slow giants and the fat fucks.

andyZOR

07-10-2007, 03:38 PM

Heavyweight should start from 190 pounds until 260. A Super Heavyweight division should be created for the slow giants and the fat fucks.

no thats gay no offence lol. :nut

emanuel_augustus

07-10-2007, 03:50 PM

Heavyweight should start from 190 pounds until 260. A Super Heavyweight division should be created for the slow giants and the fat fucks.

I don't like that and I think the current classes are ok, but something like this would be better than what you propose:

174-200 Cruiser

200-225 Heavyweight

225+ Super Heavy

BigEars

07-10-2007, 06:41 PM

Super-Heavyweight division=one of the worst decisions boxing has ever made , can anybody give me a logical reason why one needs to be created ?

Grabonator

07-12-2007, 05:54 AM

'Bouncer' means some big guy who stands at the door at nightclubs, pubs, bars etc. Big fat guys.

But they often are not just fat but verry muscular and physical imprssive.

unitas

07-12-2007, 06:41 AM

is this a pathetic attempt for americans to pretend to themselves that they still have something to say at heavyweight???

The Kurgan

07-12-2007, 09:25 AM

Super-Heavyweight division=one of the worst decisions boxing has ever made , can anybody give me a logical reason why one needs to be created ?

Because smaller boxers like Chagaev cannot compete with the bigger boxers. ;)

PeterNielsen70

07-12-2007, 09:29 AM

Mormeck
Haye
O' Neil Bell
Huck
Ding a ling
Macrenilli
Adameck
Cunningham
Braithwaite
Jirov

:-((

What kind of recipe is that? :huh

0-1

07-12-2007, 01:06 PM

I'm not more impressed with the division at the moment than usually, but in terms of watching fights: I'll take an unknown cruiserweight fight over probably any other division. You get the power of the big guys, but with speed and activity. It's a shame it doesn't get more exposure.

Lacyace

07-12-2007, 01:57 PM

is this a pathetic attempt for americans to pretend to themselves that they still have something to say at heavyweight???

Uh, no. If you knew anything about the cruiserweight division, you would know why.

the_what

07-12-2007, 02:02 PM

Everytime I watch a Cruiserweight fight it always turns out to be entertaining. I dont know much about the fighters in the division but they always put on a show. Like the Ding fight from a few weeks ago.

Odo

07-12-2007, 02:15 PM

Nah, there is to uch talent on even cards but he will definitly be a top contender or a champ.

Alexeev is head and shoulders above champs and former champs like Cunningham and Wlodarcyzk.Besides his big amateur rival Solis fights at heavy weight.
I for my part would surely bet my money on the hard punching Russian amateur star against either Bell,or Mormeck.
Alexeev has the potential to be a long reigning cruiser weight champ.
Of course there is much talent in this weight division at present:Huck,Kraj,Hernandez,and so on.
However,Alexeev is the best of that rising prospects IMO.