Everything wrong about boxing preceded by everything right.

[brown bomber]

On the 4th April Jon Thaxton a proven and hard working fighter will take a huge step up in class and try for Euro honours against the high class and experianced young Veteran Yuri Romanov. Its a classic pairing of a quality British champion challenging a well established, fringe world title contender. Its everything good about boxing- an honest pairing of honest pro's who have the balls to put it all on the line to try and get their neck in front of the pack.

Its the old school way and the way and the way things should be done. Thaxton emerged on the scene in 1996 coming in at short notice in his 14th fight to KO undefeated British and Commonwealth light welterweight champion Paul Ryan in one round. He followed with impressive wins over Bernard Paul, Paul Burke and Mark Elliot. He was robbed of the British title against Jason Rowland been stopped on rather pathetic cuts after knocking the favourite down twice in London, took Hatton the distance then suffered a stoppage loss to an inform Eamon Magee. Since then he is unbeaten having impressively cut down prospects Lee Meager, Scott Lawton and Dave Stewart in his last 3 fights.

Romanov is just 25 and already holds wins over Steve Murray, Bobby Vanzie (our best two lightweights at the time), Juan Carlos Malero, Toncho Tonchev and Stefano Zoff..... His only losses coming to Graham Earl and one in his fourth pro fight. He's had no big build up and has established himself as a quality fighter by beating quality fighters.

The following night we will see a meeting between Amir Khan Olympic silver medalist and the WBO number one contender Martin Kristjansen. Khan has after a very positive start to his career began to recieve more then hsi fair share of critism- He promised us his next fight following his win over no-show St-Clair would be for the European title and that he would beat Jon Thaxton so far he has done neither. In his entire 16 fight career its safe to say that the only opponents who have given him a serious fight have been Lazlo Komjathi and Willie Limond. Of his opponents combined 269 victories only 84 have been by stoppage. Khans one opponent with a punchers record Vitali Martynov then 9-1 (6ko's) is now 11-7 (7ko's) with all 7 defeats inside the distance 6 in the first and 1 in the second.

This alleged step up see's him fight a man with just 5 ko's in 23 matches. He has only stopped one non novice professional- that on an injury. His record is a who's who of nobodies the only reasonably exciting results been a draw with ancient Stefano Zoff who had previously beaten him and a six round win over world class amateur turned journeyman kirkor kirkorov. This man is the best Lightweight in the world according to the WBO not including interim 'champion' Katsadis or actual champion Juan Diaz.

The fight oozes manufactured garbage, they fight for the right to fight for a plastic soon to be vacant belt... and slowly but surely every real fan of boxing who couldn't wait for old school olympian Khan to embark on an old school respectable career is realising that Khans career isn't going to be gold or silver- its going to be plastic.

[john b]

On the 4th April Jon Thaxton a proven and hard working fighter will take a huge step up in class and try for Euro honours against the high class and experianced young Veteran Yuri Romanov. Its a classic pairing of a quality British champion challenging a well established, fringe world title contender. Its everything good about boxing- an honest pairing of honest pro's who have the balls to put it all on the line to try and get their neck in front of the pack.

Its the old school way and the way and the way things should be done. Thaxton emerged on the scene in 1996 coming in at short notice in his 14th fight to KO undefeated British and Commonwealth light welterweight champion Paul Ryan in one round. He followed with impressive wins over Bernard Paul, Paul Burke and Mark Elliot. He was robbed of the British title against Jason Rowland been stopped on rather pathetic cuts after knocking the favourite down twice in London, took Hatton the distance then suffered a stoppage loss to an inform Eamon Magee. Since then he is unbeaten having impressively cut down prospects Lee Meager, Scott Lawton and Dave Stewart in his last 3 fights.

Romanov is just 25 and already holds wins over Steve Murray, Bobby Vanzie (our best two lightweights at the time), Juan Carlos Malero, Toncho Tonchev and Stefano Zoff..... His only losses coming to Graham Earl and one in his fourth pro fight. He's had no big build up and has established himself as a quality fighter by beating quality fighters.

The following night we will see a meeting between Amir Khan Olympic silver medalist and the WBO number one contender Martin Kristjansen. Khan has after a very positive start to his career began to recieve more then hsi fair share of critism- He promised us his next fight following his win over no-show St-Clair would be for the European title and that he would beat Jon Thaxton so far he has done neither. In his entire 16 fight career its safe to say that the only opponents who have given him a serious fight have been Lazlo Komjathi and Willie Limond. Of his opponents combined 269 victories only 84 have been by stoppage. Khans one opponent with a punchers record Vitali Martynov then 9-1 (6ko's) is now 11-7 (7ko's) with all 7 defeats inside the distance 6 in the first and 1 in the second.

This alleged step up see's him fight a man with just 5 ko's in 23 matches. He has only stopped one non novice professional- that on an injury. His record is a who's who of nobodies the only reasonably exciting results been a draw with ancient Stefano Zoff who had previously beaten him and a six round win over world class amateur turned journeyman kirkor kirkorov. This man is the best Lightweight in the world according to the WBO not including interim 'champion' Katsadis or actual champion Juan Diaz.

The fight oozes manufactured garbage, they fight for the right to fight for a plastic soon to be vacant belt... and slowly but surely every real fan of boxing who couldn't wait for old school olympian Khan to embark on an old school respectable career is realising that Khans career isn't going to be gold or silver- its going to be plastic.

:good Khan is better than this garbage isn't he?I would reconsider of being britains youngest champ because I don't thnk he his ready for babybull or Katdists.At least Jon Thaxton as bottle.

[TFFP]

This really is getting fairly boring

If he ends up fighting Casamayor/Katsidis next who gives a flying fuck how he got there? They are top 5 in this division

If he fights another bum after Kristjansen that will be the time for criticism, but fighting the number 1 contender is a step forward, I don't care what his KO ratio is

[brown bomber]

This really is getting fairly boring

If he ends up fighting Casamayor/Katsidis next who gives a flying fuck how he got there? They are top 5 in this division

If he fights another bum after Kristjansen that will be the time for criticism, but fighting the number 1 contender is a step forward, I don't care what his KO ratio isSo they got you too.... :lol:

[TFFP]

So they got you too.... :lol:
What?

[Cobbler]

In his 17th fight Jon Thaxton fought Paul Burke. A guy with four losses on his record at British and European title level and not the greatest knock out record.

Explain how he is a better level of opponent than Kristjansen? For a bonus point, explain how Bernard Paul was a higher level of opponent than St Clair.

[brown bomber]

What?You believe what sports network tell you... you want to watch him fight bum after bum when he could be having a meaningful career? Thats all that will happen- next time we'll step him up, then they don't .... but they keep promising us something special 'next time'... its a joke and with all your posts you should be smart enough to realise that.

[brown bomber]

In his 17th fight Jon Thaxton fought Paul Burke. A guy with four losses on his record at British and European title level and not the greatest knock out record.

Explain how he is a better level of opponent than Kristjansen? For a bonus point, explain how Bernard Paul was a higher level of opponent than St Clair. Read the post again.

[brown bomber]

And further to that Cobbler... Bernard Paul came to fight everytime and scored some good upset wins in a respectable career... St Clair took the money and ran. As for criticising Paul Burke and writing him off as a non puncher- you really need to read more BN.

[TFFP]

You believe what sports network tell you... you want to watch him fight bum after bum when he could be having a meaningful career? Thats all that will happen- next time we'll step him up, then they don't .... but they keep promising us something special 'next time'... its a joke and with all your posts you should be smart enough to realise that.
I'd prefer him to fight Romanov, obviously

That said, I can't jump on the incessant anti-Khan bandwagon, when he's fighting the guy that is number 1 ranked, rightly or wrongly

If this gets him a fight with Katsidis/Casamayor next time out nobody will be complaining. The same sort of pricks that called Macca a ducker only for the fight to be made out of the blue will look foolish

If he fights another bum, I won't be defending him

[brown bomber]

:good Khan is better than this garbage isn't he?I would reconsider of being britains youngest champ because I don't thnk he his ready for babybull or Katdists.At least Jon Thaxton as bottle. My point exactly.... One guy responds by telling me to give him a break because they may step him up next time and another thinks i'm comparing credentials. :patsch

[brown bomber]

I'd prefer him to fight Romanov, obviously

That said, I can't jump on the incessant anti-Khan bandwagon, when he's fighting the guy that is number 1 ranked, rightly or wrongly

If this gets him a fight with Katsidis/Casamayor next time out nobody will be complaining. The same sort of pricks that called Macca a ducker only for the fight to be made out of the blue will look foolish

If he fights another bum, I won't be defending him Well where you are now mentally with Khan.. thats where I was pre St Clair. I'm not anti Khan in the slightest. I like him and think he is quality but he is been mismanaged.

[john b]

My point exactly.... One guy responds by telling me to give him a break because they may step him up next time and another thinks i'm comparing credentials. :patsch

:good Some Just like to argue its in there nature. Whats made it worst is that oh ****** was giving it the bigun saying if he can't fight in america then he will be fighting romanov. As soon as frank ****** decides to call it quits we may see british boxing back to a decet level domestically.

[TFFP]

Well where you are now mentally with Khan.. thats where I was pre St Clair. I'm not anti Khan in the slightest. I like him and think he is quality but he is been mismanaged.
St Clair wasn't number 1 ranked anything though was he?

He was supposed to be a step up in class. He'd been in with the best, he'd never been knocked out. He was there to take Khan 12 rounds, and that he did. I thought it was a valuable fight for Khan

I can't say I'm thrilled with the decision they've made, as I've said Romanov is a much better fighter. But at the same time it is not worthy of such criticism, because if they truely have that big fight in mind it will be worth it. Katsidis and Casamayor are tied up, I see this as a logical fight in the mean time

They will really have nowhere to go after this fight, it will have to be the winner of Thaxton/Romanov or Kat/Casamayor. If nothing materialises, even I will give up on them

[Cobbler]

My point exactly.... One guy responds by telling me to give him a break because they may step him up next time and another thinks i'm comparing credentials. :patsch

If you're not comparing credentials, then what? You're complaining about the quality of who Khan may fight in the future? You're bitching because he may go on to fight for a world title in the next year rather than following the 'old school' route of spending the next three years mixing fighting bums with losing challenges for the British title and Inter-continental titles?

[brown bomber]

If you're not comparing credentials, then what? You're complaining about the quality of who Khan may fight in the future? You're bitching because he may go on to fight for a world title in the next year rather than following the 'old school' route of spending the next three years mixing fighting bums with losing challenges for the British title and Inter-continental titles? That is the thickest interpretion of anything I have ever written. Well done. :roll:

[TFFP]

Some of this shit needs to be put into perspective

Find me a British fighter that was fighting better opposition than St Clair after 15 fights. Hatton was fighting bum of the month. Junior Witter was barely facing guys with a winning record. Even my man Joe didn't fight Eubank until 22 fights

I realise the hype raises expectations, but the kid is 21, he is doing fine. This bullshit is getting out of hand

[Raashid]

Why do talented young British fighters go with ******? They must know his way of moving their careers by now?
In the case of Khan, does anyone know whether after the Olympics he got offers from the US or not? He agiven some pretty bad advice if he turned down offers from GBP, DKP etc.

[john b]

Some of this shit needs to be put into perspective

Find me a British fighter that was fighting better opposition than St Clair after 15 fights. Hatton was fighting bum of the month. Junior Witter was barely facing guys with a winning record. Even my man Joe didn't fight Eubank until 22 fights

I realise the hype raises expectations, but the kid is 21, he is doing fine. This bullshit is getting out of hand

yeah but why would ****** go on national television and say he was going to america or fighting romanov for the european title and he had no intention of puttting him with romanov thats whats got on my whick.

[TFFP]

yeah but why would ****** go on national television and say he was going to america or fighting romanov for the european title and he had no intention of puttting him with romanov thats whats got on my whick.
Because he's Frank ******

I'm pretty sure he said some time this year, not neccessarily the next fight. The way I see it he is fighting the number 1 contender, and is well on course for a title shot within 20 fights

He's done a lot more than most British fighters, yet is judged by different standards

[Cobbler]

That is the thickest interpretion of anything I have ever written. Well done. :roll:

Maybe you should try writing it again so that it's clear what exactly it is that you are complaining about if it's not the credentials of Khan's current opponents or you assumptions as to his future ones.

That's the traditional thing that people tend to judge fighters on (well preferably the former rather than the latter).

You also may want to consider the following: where else does 'old school' Thaxton have to go? And would he still be fighting Romanov if someone had offered him the alternative of fighting Kristjansen as an elimantion for a World title fight against one of the divisions top fighters?

[brown bomber]

Some of this shit needs to be put into perspective

Find me a British fighter that was fighting better opposition than St Clair after 15 fights. Hatton was fighting bum of the month. Junior Witter was barely facing guys with a winning record. Even my man Joe didn't fight Eubank until 22 fights

I realise the hype raises expectations, but the kid is 21, he is doing fine. This bullshit is getting out of hand

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All fighters who fought 'world' champions in their first 16 fights and if you really want I can tell you about each one. Do you actually believe that St Clair was a world champion?

[brown bomber]

Maybe you should try writing it again so that it's clear what exactly it is that you are complaining about if it's not the credentials of Khan's current opponents or you assumptions as to his future ones.

That's the traditional thing that people tend to judge fighters on (well preferably the former rather than the latter).

You also may want to consider the following: where else does 'old school' Thaxton have to go? And would he still be fighting Romanov if someone had offered him the alternative of fighting Kristjansen as an elimantion for a World title fight against one of the divisions top fighters? I've read it- it makes perfect sense.. Your last point is a good one. But are you a manager or a spectator... I think our career expectations for Khan are very different.

[brown bomber]

How could I forget this fellow former olympian...

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Tffp. You can have no reply.

[TFFP]

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All fighters who fought 'world' champions in their first 16 fights and if you really want I can tell you about each one. Do you actually believe that St Clair was a world champion?
3 of which never amounted to much, so that's hardly a convincing argument

You might want to consider that what is right for one fighter is not necessarily right for another. Also, Khan is 21. He has only very recently filled out physically

Look at our best guys at the moment. Ricky Hatton was fighting some cab driver 13-2-1, he didn't do too badly for himself

Junior Witter was fighting a novice 0-1-0 :lol:

Joe Calzaghe was fighting a Welsh sheep farmer, 11-6-2

Clinton Woods, 7-7-0

The great Lennox Lewis, was fighting a cowboy in Nevada, 35-15-1

The two guys that were actually successful in your list are the exception, not the rule

Taking that into account...sorry, I'm not going to get up in arms because 21 year old Khan is fighting #1 ranked by the WBO in his 17th fight

[Claypole]

The way I see it he is fighting the number 1 contender, and is well on course for a title shot within 20 fights
So what would you think if Juan Diaz was facing the number 1 contender Martin Kristjansen for the WBO title? I don't think anybody at all would be happy with that. You seem to be believing what you are being fed by the hype machine, yet you must surely know full well that Kristjansen is only No1 contender because FW put him there.

[TFFP]

So what would you think if Juan Diaz was facing the number 1 contender Martin Kristjansen for the WBO title? I don't think anybody at all would be happy with that. You seem to be believing what you are being fed by the hype machine, yet you must surely know full well that Kristjansen is only No1 contender because FW put him there.
I don't care who put him there if Khan fights for the title within the next couple of fights

Until then, I won't be getting on his back given what previous very good British champions had achieved at a similar point in their career

[elle]

Its interesting looking at the next fights of these domestic rivals.

For me Thaxton's is a genuine challenge whilst Khan's is a mere formality.

I know which one I am looking forward to the most as I would much rather witness a competitive affair than a foregone conclusion.

[kerrminator]

Great post Jeff, fully agree.

Its a shame because if Khan was to take the old school route to the top he would recieve far more recognition, not to mention the experience he would gain on the way. It seems that in Britain an '0' on a fighters record these days is becoming more important than their actual career.

No disrespect to Khans fans but I get the feeling a lot of Amirs fans on ESB are relatively young and probably only started watching boxing in recent years when Khan came onto the scene (dont get me wrong, anything that brings more fans to the sport can only be a good thing) but to be fair to some of the critics this idea of fighting weaker opponents is something we have seen done time and time again over the years especially under ****** therefore we are all to used to hearing Frank talk about how the next fight will be a big one.

He needs to start fighting guys with a decent dig (even if they are not as good at boxing as St Clair or Limond etc) because the last thing he wants is to work his way to the top having fought a load of light punchers then suddenly find himself in a ring with somebody like Juan Diaz.....it would be a rude awakening and he could even end up seriously hurt and who could blame him because all he knows is theres a great hype around him and fighters do actually start believing their own hype after a while.

A few heavy handed opponents would go a long way in helping him to develop his game.

[brown bomber]

Ricky Hatton was fighting some cab driver 13-2-1, he didn't too badly for himself

Junior Witter was fighting a novice 0-1-0 :lol:

Joe Calzaghe was fighting a Welsh sheep farmer, 11-6-2

Clinton Woods, 7-7-0

The great Lennox Lewis, was fighting a cowboy in Nevada, 35-15-1

Ricky Hatton was a international world class amateur but not an olympic medalist.

Both Witter and Woods came from nowhere to become contenders and were afforded nowhere near as much hype as Khan.

And Lennox Lewis was on his second world champion by his sixteenth fight.

[Claypole]

I don't care who put him there if Khan fights for the title within the next couple of fights
If you know he is undeserving of the ranking, why do you keep bringing it up like it means something? Khan getting a genuine title shot by beating obviously over ranked (and over matched) opponents will leave a bad taste in my mouth. If Khan is good enough to be fast tracked to the top, he should be more than happy facing Romanov rather than Kristjansen, plain and simple.
This idea of "who cares who he fights as long as he gets a title shot" is not what boxing is about for me. Khan should be clearing all obstacles in his path rather than dodging them.

[TFFP]

Ricky Hatton was a international world class amateur but not an olympic medalist.

Both Witter and Woods came from nowhere to become contenders and were afforded nowhere near as much hype as Khan.

And Lennox Lewis was on his second world champion by his sixteenth fight.
So fucking what? This is the pro game, it's a whole new world

I don't see the hype as being relevant, I just ignore it and mute the commentary and draw my own conclusions. With that hype comes pressure and expectation. It's a double edged sword

He's 21 years old, and he's done a hell of a lot more than any of our current champions had, barring Haye who is praised for his aggressive matchmaking. Sorry, I'm still not getting mad about it. I'd rather he fought Romanov, but he's still well on track

[brown bomber]

3 of which never amounted to much, so that's hardly a convincing argument Just for reference the fighters I chose were Naseem Hamed World featherweight champion, David Haye world cruiserweight champion, Carl Johansson British and central area champion, Terry Dunstan Former european champion and world title challenger and Paul Weir the three time WBO champion. But don't mind them- they never amounted to much :lol:

[Grievesy]

If you know he is undeserving of the ranking, why do you keep bringing it up like it means something? Khan getting a genuine title shot by beating obviously over ranked (and over matched) opponents will leave a bad taste in my mouth. If Khan is good enough to be fast tracked to the top, he should be more than happy facing Romanov rather than Kristjansen, plain and simple.
This idea of "who cares who he fights as long as he gets a title shot" is not what boxing is about for me. Khan should be clearing all obstacles in his path rather than dodging them.

:goodI totally agree. I'd much rather see him fight and hopefully beat the best in his division rather than just get a fast track to a title.

[robpalmer135]

Jeff i lost alot of respect for the things you say on here after that, fact is Thaxton could have fought Khan Feb 2nd and prices himself out. Romanov will win this so easy and then Khan will beat Romanov, killing two birds with one stone before fighting for the world title.

[achillesthegreat]

Khan is pulling a Hatton. He is flagrantly ducking a legit challenge and leap frogging hurdles because of a powerful promoter.

[brown bomber]

Jeff i lost alot of respect for the things you say on here after that, fact is Thaxton could have fought Khan Feb 2nd and prices himself out. Romanov will win this so easy and then Khan will beat Romanov, killing two birds with one stone before fighting for the world title. :patsch If its that easy to lose respect for me because I have a different opinion to you then mate its no loss. Khan can ko both of them in the first round but it still doesn't hide the fact he's been been mollycoddled to a world title. This is not about whether or not Khan can fight its about exploiting people and the fight game itself when he could be so influential in making boxing great again.

[elle]

fact is Thaxton could have fought Khan Feb 2nd and prices himself out. Romanov will win this so easy and then Khan will beat Romanov, killing two birds with one stone before fighting for the world title.

Thaxton fighting Khan Feb 2nd and pricing himself out is NOT fact Rob.

What IS fact is that Khan withdrew as Thaxton's mandatory.

Thaxton has since gone on record saying he was not made an official offer outside of the purse bid process.

We now know that Hennessy also have links with ITV so it blows the theory out the water that Khan was withdrawn because of his exclusive ITV deal.

So you think Romanov will beat Thaxton easily? You may well be right but full credit to Thaxton for at least having the bottle to get in there with him which is more than Khan and his handlers seem prepared to do - despite all the talk and name dropping for the last two fights.

[TFFP]

Just for reference the fighters I chose were Naseem Hamed World featherweight champion, David Haye world cruiserweight champion, Carl Johansson British and central area champion, Terry Dunstan Former european champion and world title challenger and Paul Weir the three time WBO champion. But don't mind them- they never amounted to much :lol:
No, I said the latter 3 never amounted to much

Johanesson and Dunstan are garbage. I think Khan should and will achieve higher, so I'm not too concerned he hasn't taken their route to 'glory'

[brown bomber]

Thaxton fighting Khan Feb 2nd and pricing himself out is NOT fact Rob.

What IS fact is that Khan withdrew as Thaxton's mandatory.

Thaxton has since gone on record saying he was not made an official offer outside of the purse bid process.

We now know that Hennessy also have links with ITV so it blows the theory out the water that Khan was withdrawn because of his exclusive ITV deal.

So you think Romanov will beat Thaxton easily? You may well be right but full credit to Thaxton for at least having the bottle to get in there with him which is more than Khan and his handlers seem prepared to do - despite all the talk and name dropping for the last two fights. Careful he will lose respect for you :patsch

[brown bomber]

Johanesson and Dunstan are garbage.:lol: And on that note you cease to be a respected poster. You know nothing about either... bar perhaps looking at there records on boxrec.

[robpalmer135]

Ever since Olympic boxing has been going the guys that won medals have got larger made more money due to having bigger fan bases. Same thing happened with Lewis, Ali, Lenoard, even bums like Harrison made more than World Champions have done in their Career.

I just think people should leave Khan alone its not his fault, plus who can critisice a guy for fighting the WBO#2 contender. Thaxton would be a step back, letting him fight romanov is the best thing that could happen for Khan as now he only has to beat Romanov to proove people on here wrong, not 2 journeyman just one!

[TFFP]

:lol: And on that note you cease to be a respected poster. You know nothing about either... bar perhaps looking at there records on boxrec.
I'm not too bothered about your respect, but considering you just got your little panties in a twist when some other bloke said that you look a bit of a knob

Carl Johanneson doesn't even have the bottle to fight a domestic opponent. He didn't even look like he was trying to make weight, he's a waste of space

Dunstan...very very average in terms of world level

They hardly represent rolemodels for Khan's route to glory. I'd say Hatton/Calzaghe are far better comparisons. As I've pointed out, Khan is ahead of them, and is a lot younger, so he is doing absolutely fine

[brown bomber]

journeyman LOL Go back on holiday!

[Claypole]

Carl Johanneson doesn't even have the bottle to fight a domestic opponent. Michael Gomez would probably disagree with you.

[brown bomber]

I'm not too bothered about your respect, but considering you just got your little panties in a twist when some other bloke said that you look a bit of a knob

Carl Johanneson doesn't even have the bottle to fight a domestic opponent. He didn't even look like he was trying to make weight, he's a waste of space

Dunstan...very very average in terms of world level

They hardly represent rolemodels for Khan's route to glory. I'd say Hatton/Calzaghe are far better comparisons. As I've pointed out, Khan is ahead of them, and is a lot younger, so he is doing absolutely fine lol panties? Johanson- making weight? Have you been smoking your dads roll ups?

[brown bomber]

Michael Gomez would probably disagree with you. ER Micheal Gomez is very average in world terms.... :lol:

[TFFP]

lol panties? Johanson- making weight? Have you been smoking your dads roll ups?
You been living under a rock? That cat didn't even try to make weight for Mitchell, he knew he'd lame out hence he had about 5 chins at the conference. Way to go, I hope Khan reaches his level!

[brown bomber]

You been living under a rock? That cat didn't even try to make weight for Mitchell, he knew he'd lame out hence he had about 5 chins at the conference. Way to go, I hope Khan reaches his level! Since when do you have to make weight for a press conference and if he bottled it why has he suddenly changed his mind.... Anyway why even watch him- he's very average...?

[elle]

Careful he will lose respect for you :patsch

As the Aretha song goes - 'R-E-S-P-E-C-T' find out what it means to me ....

People don't need to agree in order to have mutual respect. :good

[TFFP]

Since when do you have to make weight for a press conference and if he bottled it why has he suddenly changed his mind.... Anyway why even watch him- he's very average...?
The point is, his lazy ass hadn't even started training when Mitchell had been going for weeks. He never ever looked like taking that fight. He's unprofessional at the very least

Why wouldn't I watch him? I'm a fan of boxing, I don't just watch the elite. I have to call a spade a spade, and Johanesson is not even close to world class, and I don't see how he's done things better than Khan

[Claypole]

ER Micheal Gomez is very average in world terms.... :lol:Yes, but he qualifies as a "domestic opponent", my point being that Johanneson certainly showed "bottle" during that fight.

[brown bomber]

The point is, his lazy ass hadn't even started training when Mitchell had been going for weeks. He never ever looked like taking that fight. He's unprofessional at the very least

Why wouldn't I watch him? I'm a fan of boxing, I don't just watch the elite. I have to call a spade a spade, and Johanesson is not even close to world class, and I don't see how he's done things better than Khan Your point was compairable opposition and CJ's opposition was at least comparible to Khans due to the fact Harold Grey was a superior world champion to Gairy St Claire.

[brown bomber]

By De La Hoyas 16th fight he was a two time world champion.

[TFFP]

If you are going to go through every boxer from every nation you will find your fair share fighting world champions before their 16th :roll:

The point still stands that Khan has done more than most thus far, and more to the point he has eclipsed what most of our current crop had achieved and at a much younger age. This is why I feel the criticism is out of proportion. I always expect some with Khan, people are impatient due to the hype, but it's way out of hand

Every motherfucker is on his back, and it's not really fair. Anybody would think he's on 25 fights, and he's 28 entering his prime years

[brown bomber]

If you are going to go through every boxer from every nation you will find your fair share fighting world champions before their 16th :roll:

The point still stands that Khan has done more than most thus far, and more to the point he has eclipsed what most of our current crop had achieved and at a much younger age. This is why I feel the criticism is out of proportion. I always expect some with Khan, people are impatient due to the hype, but it's way out of hand

Every motherfucker is on his back, and it's not really fair. Anybody would think he's on 25 fights, and he's 28 entering his prime years Well if thats the case don't go calling out everyone promising the world. Look what that did to Audleys popularity. The funny thing is I'm a Khan fan.

[TFFP]

Well if thats the case don't go calling out everyone promising the world. Look what that did to Audleys popularity. The funny thing is I'm a Khan fan.
Yeah, you sure seem like it :nut

He must have a lot of 'fans' on here then

[brown bomber]

i'm a supporter. . . I want him to do well and achieve what he is capable of. Thats why i take offence to him been mis managed.

[dwilson]

Once again another great thread stated by Jeff, very true account and unfortunetly exactly how we all expected events to turn out.


Of course all Khan fans will be defending him past any shadow of common sense but that is to be expected too of the "Hype man" and his ilk.


Will people also stop mentioning the likes of Casamor and Katsidis in the same sentance as Khan because we all already know he has not got the bottle to fight an opponent who can punch back.

[elle]

i'm a supporter. . . I want him to do well and achieve what he is capable of. Thats why i take offence to him been mis managed.

I can appreciate why you think Khan is being mismanaged - but he is hardly a reluctant party being forced to go along this chosen route against his wishes.

If anything it seems to me it is Khan himself that is the one more obsessed with becoming britains youngest world champ than his handlers and it is them pandering to him.

It hasn't always been the case as, at times, ****** has almost tried to play it down. I just wonder if part of the reason he is so willing to indulge Khan now is because it is rumoured that Khan's contract with SN is up soon? What better way to encourage Khan to renew than dangle a World Title opportunity right in front of him?

[dwilson]

Romanov's manager:"Some boxers talk about world title aspirations, but, besides having been given the opportunity to support their claims prefer to avoid a real challenge and choose to select an easy route."
"It's never been the case with either Yuri Romanov or Jonathan Thaxton, both of whom never ducked anyone in the ring."
Who could they be talking about?
:huh


Juan Diaz is going to vacate so he does not have to fiht Khan.

[elle]

Romanov's manager:"Some boxers talk about world title aspirations, but, besides having been given the opportunity to support their claims prefer to avoid a real challenge and choose to select an easy route."
"It's never been the case with either Yuri Romanov or Jonathan Thaxton, both of whom never ducked anyone in the ring."
Who could they be talking about?
:huh


Heihaci - its a bit early for these difficult boxing teasers!

I'm racking my brain here .... sure it will come to me ....

[brown bomber]

Juan Diaz is going to vacate so he does not have to fiht Khan.:lol: That bottler!

[brown bomber]

cobblers, tffp and RobPalmer all had me wondering if I was losing the plot. :-)

[dwilson]

:lol: That bottler!

Guzman stayed down at Super Feather to fight Alex Alex Alex Arthur instead of facing the possibility of even being mentioned in the same sentance as Khan.

[brown bomber]

The point about Thaxton never ducking anybody is one I really like- he really did mix in a good class right from the beginning of his career... Colin Dunne, Keith Marner and Delroy Leslie in your first few fights... Followed by Scrap Iron.. Its the ingle way I think if you ain't a big ticket seller to begin with they pitch you in against whoever and watch you sink or swim. They've done it with the likes of Lee Noble and Paul David recently both very talented fighters who could easily be manufactured to 15-0. But with others like Nadeem Siddique, Lee McCallister and Adnan Amar they take the softly, softly approach. Very professional team.

[dwilson]

The point about Thaxton never ducking anybody is one I really like- he really did mix in a good class right from the beginning of his career... Colin Dunne, Keith Marner and Delroy Leslie in your first few fights... Followed by Scrap Iron.. Its the ingle way I think if you ain't a big ticket seller to begin with they pitch you in against whoever and watch you sink or swim. They've done it with the likes of Lee Noble and Paul David recently both very talented fighters who could easily be manufactured to 15-0. But with others like Nadeem Siddique, Lee McCallister and Adnan Amar they take the softly, softly approach. Very professional team.

Lee Noble is mental.

[brown bomber]

Lee Noble is mental.Very talented though!

[elle]

cobblers, tffp and RobPalmer all had me wondering if I was losing the plot. :-)


You can always rely on me - I'll be the first to tell you if you've lost the plot! :smile:

[dwilson]

Very talented though!


He could have made a real name for himself domestically. He can still make a relative impact but needs to get his head together in the ring. He lost a few fights he really shoud have won. Great kid though and as a Barnsley lad im proud to see him doing well.

Josh Wale = hof.

[brown bomber]

That my man was spot on.Thank you :D