POLL: Mosley vs Kimbo at HW

[Drexl]

Boxing rules.

No minimum weight. Just Mosley at whatever weight he wants to be at vs Kimbo ar whatever weight he wants to be at.

[Nalian]

what ?

[Drexl]

what ?

Who wins a boxing match at HW between Kimbo and Mosley.

What don't you understand?

No special clauses. No P4P stuff. Simply Shane as he is vs Kimbo as he is, both have a regular boxing training camp.

[carll68]

Shane wins handily. Would Slice be tested for Roids (not that it matters)? I can explain why DRex..but, well....do we really need to go into all this again???

[carll68]

Why ot a Tyson of 1986-1991 Vs Kimbo thread..that should be good to see the answers and whys. No Beard, Ring and street.

[MON]

Shane gives away 5 inches and 70 pounds.

But he's an ATG boxer facing a novice, so he wins.

Oh and the first time you mentioned this you said, 'Pre MMA Kimbo'....so add that to the title/poll.

[Drexl]

Why ot a Tyson of 1986-1991 Vs Kimbo thread..that should be good to see the answers and whys. No Beard, Ring and street.

Yeah, because everyone knows that Mosley is the same thing as 86 Tyson.

[Drexl]

weather you are joking or that you are dumb enough to consider this a serious question.

How did you vote?

[Drexl]

Shane wins handily. Would Slice be tested for Roids (not that it matters)? I can explain why DRex..but, well....do we really need to go into all this again???

No. No need.

I'm just getting an idea of the general intelligence level of the forum. I already know yours. :good

[joekirkbycobra]

mosley would beat kimbo but mosley would never be able to make heavy

[carll68]

Yeah, because everyone knows that Mosley is the same thing as 86 Tyson.

Are, how they say "les idiot"? Did you get in a car wreck and hit a hard obstacle head on? First the Big Show vs FMJ nonsense, then this...now you are saying I compared Tyson to SSM. I am simply saying that it would be intersting, to me anyway, to see not so much what people would vote, but why, on a MT vs KS poll. Somehow, to you, that translate to "He thinks Tyson is Mosley..mmmmm...Springer...mmmm...chips". Cmon DRex...cut me some slack.

[Punisher33]

Obviously Mosley, Kimbo is a good Boxer/puncher for the MMA, but when he stepped in the ring with someone like Mosley, he would look like a novice, he would get countered easily and would probably end up knocked out before the 4th round.

[Drexl]

mosley would beat kimbo but mosley would never be able to make heavy

"Make heavy"?

What do you mean? Consider there to be no minimum weight requirement.

Mosley can weigh whatever he is confortable at. 150-ish I guess is his best weight.


Does that change who you think would win.

[MON]

If we take out Drexl's vote....90% of the forum so far know nothing according to him. :rofl

[Drexl]

Are, how they say "les idiot"? Did you get in a car wreck and hit a hard obstacle head on? First the Big Show vs FMJ nonsense, then this...now you are saying I compared Tyson to SSM. I am simply saying that it would be intersting, to me anyway, to see not so much what people would vote, but why, on a MT vs KS poll. Somehow, to you, that translate to "He thinks Tyson is Mosley..mmmmm...Springer...mmmm...chips". Cmon DRex...cut me some slack.

So start a poll.

I'll vote for Tyson, as I'm sure will everyone else. Your point is?

[Drexl]

If we take out Drexl's vote....90% of the forum so far know nothing according to him. :rofl

At the moment I'm arguing with two nobodies I have never seen in a decent debate.

The whole forum? I haven't yet seen any comment from anyone whose opinion I respect. And there are a whole lot of long-time posters here whose opinions I respect greatly.

[carll68]

So start a poll.

I'll vote for Tyson, as I'm sure will everyone else. Your point is?

That it would be interesting to see who, if anyone, votes for KS, and, more precisely why. Hey Drex...gotta be honest and humble here...I dont know how to make the thread...I was hoping you would....I thought you would run with the idea instead of me eating my pride and admitting I didnt know how to make a thread brutha.:bbb

[KayEpps]

Can this get added to the Dumb Thread List?

The Thread Title says at Heavyweight - then he says any weight - cause there's no weight requirement for Heavyweight. The fight might as well be a regular Boxing Match between the two - in a ring - with gloves.

Either way - I just can't vote - cause this makes no sense to me.

Edited: Ok - I voted Mosley - but I still think this is crazy.

[MON]

Should have made the poll public, then you could have seen who's voting.

Must hurt that the 'nobodies' have won the argument and you resorted to 'Mosley Lolllzzzz11!! KO1!!111'

[MON]

Can this get added to the Dumb Thread List?

The Thread Title says at Heavyweight - then he says any weight - cause there's no weight requirement for Heavyweight. The fight might as well be a regular Boxing Match between the two - in a ring - with gloves.

Either way - I just can't vote - cause this makes no sense to me.

Forget the HW bit.

Mosley and Kimbo get in the ring at the weights they come in at normally, who wins?

[carll68]

At the moment I'm arguing with two nobodies I have never seen in a decent debate.

The whole forum? I haven't yet seen any comment from anyone whose opinion I respect. And there are a whole lot of long-time posters here whose opinions I respect greatly.

Wow..looks like you have some issues my man.....and, we haved debated before, in the comments section of threads,,,I go by RH Bomb....long long time ago.....man..perhaps your problem is you need to respect some other opinions...especially when I jsut took you to the 12th on your other thread....

[Drexl]

Can this get added to the Dumb Thread List?

The Thread Title says at Heavyweight - then he says any weight - cause there's no weight requirement for Heavyweight. The fight might as well be a regular Boxing Match between the two - in a ring - with gloves.

Either way - I just can't vote - cause this makes no sense to me.

Edited: Ok - I voted Mosley - but I still think this is crazy.

It does mean a regular match between the two.

The "HW" bit is there because either guy can weigh as much as they want.

If I said no weight limits some fools would think I meant P4P.

[carll68]

Forget the HW bit.

Mosley and Kimbo get in the ring at the weights they come in at normally, who wins?

Mosley......Kimbos size is easily negated by Mosleys skill....since it is boxing rulkes...no beard also. Mosley would KO him after a few rounds.

[Drexl]

Should have made the poll public, then you could have seen who's voting.

Must hurt that the 'nobodies' have won the argument and you resorted to 'Mosley Lolllzzzz11!! KO1!!111'

Not really.

:yep

[Rise Above]

This thread is :patsch

[Punisher33]

Mosley......Kimbos size is easily negated by Mosleys skill....since it is boxing rulkes...no beard also. Mosley would KO him after a few rounds. Exactly, a few posts back I said the same thing. Kimbo throws wide hooks, which would be easily countered by a boxing technician like Mosley, I see Kimbo eating a couple good shots, but after awhile of this I see Kimbo quiting and realizing he has no business being the ring with a fighter like Mosley, Kimbo wouldnt be able to land a solid punch the whole fight.

[carll68]

Exactly, a few posts back I said the same thing. Kimbo throws wide hooks, which would be easily countered by a boxing technician like Mosley, I see Kimbo eating a couple good shots, but after awhile of this I see Kimbo quiting and realizing he has no business being the ring with a fighter like Mosley, Kimbo wouldnt be able to land a solid punch the whole fight.

Spoken like a true stdent of the sport. He would be off balance as well. and by the 3rd round his arms would feel like lead becuase of the gloves.

[Punisher33]

Spoken like a true stdent of the sport. He would be off balance as well. and by the 3rd round his arms would feel like lead becuase of the gloves. Agreed, there's a difference between being a effective puncher in the MMA, than being a effective puncher in the boxing ring, this fight would be a perfect example of that.


I live in Pittsburgh as well, it's a shame that alot of our boxing gyms are being tore down or being replaced by MMA fighting leagues, dont know if that happening around way, but it's already happend to the one gym I used to go to a couple years back.

[Dunks]

Boxing rules.

this would be the fight..

:fuckoff

KIMBO first round KO but what a stupid:patsch thread

[Dunks]

Boxing rules.

what size ring? gloves?..lol...this is silly

how about...

Kimbo vs Shane after Shane walks in on Kimbo Bangin Jin?:good


:-( :patsch

[carll68]

Agreed, there's a difference between being a effective puncher in the MMA, than being a effective puncher in the boxing ring, this fight would be a perfect example of that.


I live in Pittsburgh as well, it's a shame that alot of our boxing gyms are being tore down or being replaced by MMA fighting leagues, dont know if that happening around way, but it's already happend to the one gym I used to go to a couple years back.

off topic...but is the Brookline Gym still open? i know Carrick and Spark are closed.

[carll68]

what size ring? gloves?..lol...this is silly

how about...

Kimbo vs Shane after Shane walks in on Kimbo Bangin Jin?:good


:-( :patsch Man, that big ugly mess aint banging no Jin. Kimbo is to Jin as you are to Angelina Jolie...just kidding.

[Punisher33]

off topic...but is the Brookline Gym still open? i know Carrick and Spark are closed. Thats crazy you said that, I live in Brookline and used to box at Chucks gym at the Rec center in Brookline. Yes, the gym in Brookline is still open. I sparred a couple times up in Carrick before they closed it in 07, Gruber let me work with some of his guys that were entering the "Golden Gloves" a few years back.:good

[carll68]

Thats crazy you said that, I live in Brookline and used to box at Chucks gym at the Rec center in Brookline. Yes, the gym in Brookline is still open. I sparred a couple times up in Carrick before they closed it in 07, Gruber let me work with some of his guys that were entering the "Golden Gloves" a few years back.:good

Thats great dude...I am chasing 40, and do my Boxing here in cushy peters twp on my X-Box 360 :p I have been a fan forever, and a few of my buddies boxed at the Brookline facilty.....I always liked my face and ego to much to join them.....of course, i would mock them at "Confettis" that evening after a brutal session....LOL.....

[Dunks]

Man, that big ugly mess aint banging no Jin. Kimbo is to Jin as you are to Angelina Jolie...just kidding.

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[carll68]

..Hey Punisher .jsut thought I would share this..it still makes me laugh...my friend who boxed, horriblly, but boxed, at the brookline facitlity..he met Michael Moorer once with me..i sold a Security System to MM's neighbor and he was back home wreaking havoc on the neighborhood, his neighbor found out I was a fan, gave me a MM tshirt and took me outside to meet him...my buddy came along because we went to the "Sports garden" sfterward..he was waiting in the car and when he saw him (I was waving to him in the car for like 3 minutes..dude was dumb) I swear he caught wood. Anywhoo...he was convinced that MM would beat Tyson....it used to make me so mad..I mean..he was sure of it....Tua/Moorer comes to mind when I think of this potential matchup....

[Punisher33]

Thats great dude...I am chasing 40, and do my Boxing here in cushy peters twp on my X-Box 360 :p I have been a fan forever, and a few of my buddies boxed at the Brookline facilty.....I always liked my face and ego to much to join them.....of course, i would mock them at "Confettis" that evening after a brutal session....LOL..... Yeah I hear you on that, I have a feeling that Carricks boxing gym is going to be replaced by a fighting league/MMA type fighting gym of some sort. Peters twp is a nice as neighborhood, I'm sure there's not many Boxing gyms out there.:yep

[carll68]

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Good job Brutha...nice :-)

[Pimp C]

Shane would kill Kimbo to the body and stop him. Shane by KO.

[carll68]

Yeah I hear you on that, I have a feeling that Carricks boxing gym is going to be replaced by a fighting league/MMA type fighting gym of some sort. Peters twp is a nice as neighborhood, I'm sure there's not many Boxing gyms out there.:yep

No..not a one...lot of plastic surgery places, Chiropractors and Pillottis studios, however :? I hope that MMA stuff passes...they jsut dont convey the respect to one another and the sport that Boxing does. i mean...boxers i knew...all classy...would share stories, encourage me, bring tapes back from the fights..these MMA guys shave there heads but leave the sideburns, ride to Walmart in a pickup with their shirt off and vinyl marks on their back..and look to start trouble....

[Punisher33]

..Hey Punisher .jsut thought I would share this..it still makes me laugh...my friend who boxed, horriblly, but boxed, at the brookline facitlity..he met Michael Moorer once with me..i sold a Security System to MM's neighbor and he was back home wreaking havoc on the neighborhood, his neighbor found out I was a fan, gave me a MM tshirt and took me outside to meet him...my buddy came along because we went to the "Sports garden" sfterward..he was waiting in the car and when he saw him (I was waving to him in the car for like 3 minutes..dude was dumb) I swear he caught wood. Anywhoo...he was convinced that MM would beat Tyson....it used to make me so mad..I mean..he was sure of it....Tua/Moorer comes to mind when I think of this potential matchup.... Interesting story, I met Moorer awhile back in Brookine, he came out to help us with our training, it was probably 98-99, he was a nice a guy and seemed to really enjoy explaining to us different combinations and short stories he had. I dont know if he could of took Tyson or not at the time, but when he hit the punching bag, it sounded like a shotgun was going off in the gym, every time time he threw a left hook, my respect professional boxers grew after that day. I went to a couple MMA fight league tournaments with my friends, none of these guys I seen could of kept fighting after being hit by a punch at the hands of Moorer, the mans one punch power was unbelievable.

[carll68]

Interesting story, I met Moorer awhile back in Brookine, he came out to help us with our training, it was probably 98-99, he was a nice a guy and seemed to really enjoy explaining to us different combinations and short stories he had. I dont know if he could of took Tyson or not at the time, but when he hit the punching bag, it sounded like a shotgun was going off in the gym, every time time he threw a left hook, my respect professional boxers grew after that day. I went to a couple MMA fight league tournaments with my friends, none of these guys I seen could of kept fighting after being hit by a punch at the hands of Moorer, the mans one punch power was unbelievable.

the best of the bunch at LHW in the day..Prince Charles, Virgill Hill, some other guy I forget..and him...he was a beast at LHW...no doubt....He was on Tuesday Night Fights with Sean O'Grady all the time....USA Network...loved it....

[Punisher33]

the best of the bunch at LHW in the day..Prince Charles, Virgill Hill, some other guy I forget..and him...he was a beast at LHW...no doubt....He was on Tuesday Night Fights with Sean O'Grady all the time....USA Network...loved it.... Yeah, I watched alot of my dad's old tapes that had him fighting different fighters on "Tuesday Night Fights", it's a shame there's not more Boxing programs on anymore, instaed there being replaced by MMA type leagues and what not. Moorer was very underrated and will unfortunately be remembered most for his knockout lose against Foreman. I just hope the MMA bubble busts soon, if not Boxing may become shown less and less on TV, which seems to be already happening regarding the Heavyweight division.

[Beebs]

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"Ray" - member of Kimbos crew, bigger guy.

Jorge "Gamebred" Masvidal - pro mma fighter - 170lbs.

[carll68]

QU4057WdL_g

"Ray" - member of Kimbos crew, bigger guy.

Jorge "Gamebred" Masvidal - pro mma fighter - 170lbs.

Human cock-fighting....how can you watch this garbage?

[Lance_Uppercut]

Shane wins easily IMHO. Kimbo chases him around till he's gassed, Shane then controls the entire fight.

[PedroDePacas]

Like shooting fish in a barrel for Shane. The only way he would have a problem would be if the ring was 2 foot square.

[El Bombasto]

SSM (147) vs. Kimbo (200+)?

[joe the great]

Boxing rules.
Shane Mosely? Have to go with Kimbo. He's too big. P4P Shane whips his ass though.

[Caliboxing]

Dumb thread. If you didn't know, Kimbo was a boxer before he went to MMA, and recently converted his style to MMA rules. Kimbo has good boxing skills and defense and Mosley can't hurt him. Kimbo would walk right through him.

[Punisher33]

Dumb thread. If you didn't know, Kimbo was a boxer before he went to MMA, and recently converted his style to MMA rules. Kimbo has good boxing skills and defense and Mosley can't hurt him. Kimbo would walk right through him. Mosley is a top tier boxer, Kimbo's a 2nd tier MMA fighter, the boxing skill level betwwen the two of them is huge. Mosley would infact hurt Kimbo, who throws wide hooks that could easily be countered by a decent journeymen, let alone one of the best P4P fighters of my generation. The size wont matter when Kimbo cant hit Mosley with one solid punch, it will be only a matter of time before Kimbo gets tired and beaten up, from Mosley picking off all his shots and landing with counter punches of his own.

[Caliboxing]

Mosley is a top tier boxer, Kimbo's a 2nd tier MMA fighter, the boxing skill level betwwen the two of them is huge. Mosley would infact hurt Kimbo, who throws wide hooks that could easily be countered by a decent journeymen, let alone one of the best P4P fighters of my generation. The size wont matter when Kimbo cant hit Mosley with one solid punch, it will be only a matter of time before Kimbo gets tired and beaten up, from Mosley picking off all his shots and landing with counter punches of his own.


Kimbo is not your average MMA fighter, he has boxing skills and the size difference between him and Mosley would be too big. Mosley will get hurt even if he blocks the shots. If they both had a good boxing training camp before the fight, Kimbo would KO him.

[JonOli]

If Kimbo could have made a decent go of boxing, he would have boxed, simple as that. The money is far far better. Obviously his boxings skills are limited so hes had to take a far reduced purse doing mma.

[Beebs]

Human cock-fighting....how can you watch this garbage?

Its bareknuckle boxing you wimp, look up the roots of the sport.

The point was to use a the closest thing I could find in video form to the thread.

[Beebs]

If Kimbo could have made a decent go of boxing, he would have boxed, simple as that. The money is far far better. Obviously his boxings skills are limited so hes had to take a far reduced purse doing mma.

"Far reduced"

He's making 175k in his second fight.

[dangerousity]

Human cock-fighting....how can you watch this garbage?

The thing is, thats a prime example of the difference that separates class. Whereas the 1st guy was much bigger than the other guy, he wasnt used to taking punches from someone who knew what they were doing, thus he got KO'd inside 10secs. The much smaller man next round went on to whoop the other guy. Someone like Mosley would more than likely stop Kimbo inside the 1st round after landing a brutal combination. Kimbo's face is very reachable and dont be foold, theres a difference between world class boxer to your average guys punch. Even a light puncher at world class level will appear to hit like a hammer amongst your average guys.

If I know guys who are 130 and could KO guys in the gym who are 220, why cant a guy who walks 160 and is an ATG boxer KO a guy who is 240??? I swear people really havent seen much in their experiences to make comments like these. Ive seen far too many examples that shows skill>size.

Mosley cannot compete with most HW's because the HW's are drawn from a large talent pool therefore he would be competing with HW's who are actually skilled. If we were to use a skill system:

150lb average skill score 9/10
200lb average skill score 8/10
300lb average skill score 4/10
Kimbo skill score 2/10

200lb>150lb on average matchups cos on average, the size difference is too big for skill to overcome, and the skill difference isnt huge. 200lb fighters beat 300lb fighters because there are very few 300lb fighters out there and even their best guys like Valuev would have a skill level of 4/10, so though the 200lb is much smaller he can overcome the 300lb with skill. Now Kimbo is just trash boxing skills in comparison to a pro boxer so someone at 150lb would easily KO the guy, make no mistake about that.

The HW weight minimum limit isnt set at 200lb because after that power is less relevant, its set because there is not many 300lb+ men walking around out there wanting to take up boxing. Whereas if you set the weight min limit at 140lb, you would have 10mil 140lb trying to compete with 10mil 200lb men, the talent pool is of equal size. On the other hand you probably have 10k 300lb men but if there was 10mil 300lb men too, I guarantee the weight class min limit would be set at 300lb and not 200lb.

The weight limits are set to separate size but they are set at those numbers not simply because of size, but because its very probable that the guys coming out of about 230lb will be alot more skilled than the guys coming out at 300lb, thus the skill can make up for the size difference. In WW case, the HW's would just be as skilled as the WW's on average. So just because people are used to thinking HW "boxers"' > "WW" boxers, that doesnt translate to HW guys > WW boxers. They are separated by class that overcomes the weight, just as 200lb men can overcome 300lb men based on difference in class.

[Caliboxing]

The thing is, thats a prime example of the difference that separates class. Whereas the 1st guy was much bigger than the other guy, he wasnt used to taking punches from someone who knew what they were doing, thus he got KO'd inside 10secs. The much smaller man next round went on to whoop the other guy. Someone like Mosley would more than likely stop Kimbo inside the 1st round after landing a brutal combination. Kimbo's face is very reachable and dont be foold, theres a difference between world class boxer to your average guys punch. Even a light puncher at world class level will appear to hit like a hammer amongst your average guys.



:rofl Kimbo is a heavyweight, he hurt Ray Mercer with some of his punches. You have no clue of what Kimbo is about.

[dangerousity]

:rofl Kimbo is a heavyweight, he hurt Ray Mercer with some of his punches. You have no clue of what Kimbo is about.

Mercer is a grandad who quit after 1 kick in MMA. Mercer was in boxing mode, he was simply letting Kimbo punch himself out. Didnt anticipate that in MMA, he would be open for a takedown too.

[Drexl]

Mercer is a grandad who quit after 1 kick in MMA. Mercer was in boxing mode, he was simply letting Kimbo punch himself out. Didnt anticipate that in MMA, he would be open for a takedown too.

Let me just clarify my position on that match-up as well...
In a boxing match, Ray Mercer as he is today beats Kimbo with ease.


I'm just one of those who thinks that, while sklill will beat size 99 times out of 100, once you get to a certain point size does overcome skill so long as the bigger guy isn't a complete blob with no skills whatsoever.

It appears I'm in the minority and that's cool. We don't all have to agree on everything. And I can see where you guys are all coming from.

If you look through my post history, you'll see in pretty much every other case where this is being discussed (Ali vs Vitali, Louis vs Valuev etc..) I'll always take the position that the smaller guy will beat the bigger guy on skill.

It's just that we've never discussed a weight difference this drastic before. I won't say I'm definitely right and you're all wrong. Bottom line is I don't really know it's just my opinion. I'd be very happy to be proven wrong if a fight like this were to ever happen.

:good

[barneyrub]

:rofl Kimbo is a heavyweight, he hurt Ray Mercer with some of his punches. You have no clue of what Kimbo is about.His punches and elbows didnt make Mercer blink, though in fact he did block virtually every strike.

[joe the great]

QU4057WdL_g

"Ray" - member of Kimbos crew, bigger guy.

Jorge "Gamebred" Masvidal - pro mma fighter - 170lbs.
I think Mosely is big enough that he'd kick the shit out of Ray but Kimbo is about 60 pounds heavier. I think Kimbo is just to big for Mosely and just skilled enough that he'd beat him.

[Pimp C]

Dumb thread. If you didn't know, Kimbo was a boxer before he went to MMA, and recently converted his style to MMA rules. Kimbo has good boxing skills and defense and Mosley can't hurt him. Kimbo would walk right through him.
Mosley would abuse Kimbo's body and make him quit. Not to mention Kimbo wouldn't be able to lay a hand on Mosley.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Guys, let's be realistic here. Kimbo destroys Shane Mosley in a boxing match. The man is TOO big, strong, and actually he is very skilled with his hands. Mosley would be so far within Kimbo's punching range in order to land anythin himself.

Kimbo on the pads and bag..... isn't as if he is a novice.

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[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Mosley would abuse Kimbo's body and make him quit. Not to mention Kimbo wouldn't be able to lay a hand on Mosley.
Yea... Mosley is just going to get inside and do all kinds of body work... Of course Kimbo would just allow Mosley to be well within his punching range, while Shane's head is there to be punched as he goes to the body.

[Pimp C]

Yea... Mosley is just going to get inside and do all kinds of body work... Of course Kimbo would just allow Mosley to be well within his punching range, while Shane's head is there to be punched as he goes to the body.
Do you have any idea it is to hit cleany a world class boxer like Mosley? Kimbo would be in for a huge surprise if he ever laced up the gloves and got into a ring with the likes of Mosley. He would be beaten to the punch countered to death with his wide looping shots get hit to the body repeatedly. Kimbo ain't hurting Mosley with those wide arm punches. Not to mention he'll be gassed after 4 rounds and Mosley would finish him off after that. He can't avoid Mosley's shots and after a while especially the body shots will take their toll. Size doesn't mean shit especially when we're talking about a world class boxer against a crude street fighter in a boxing match.:deal If this was a street fight I could see your point but in a boxing match against an elite boxer like Mosley Kimbo is fucked.

[Relentless]

widdow you should watch pros vs joes, arturro gatti looked like floyd mayweather against these average joes, they werent able to land a punch!

although bimbo slice is alittle better, shane would kick that gorrilas ass, bimbo's telegraphed punches cant do shit.

[Pimp C]

Yea... Mosley is just going to get inside and do all kinds of body work... Of course Kimbo would just allow Mosley to be well within his punching range, while Shane's head is there to be punched as he goes to the body.
You act as if Kimbo is a skilled counter puncher or something he wouldn't catch Mosley with anything.:deal These MMA types are crude boxers at best.

[Relentless]

do you really think mosley would keep his head still enough for kimbo to land his looping right?

kimbo makes margarito look like a skilled boxer.

[Pimp C]

widdow you should watch pros vs joes, arturro gatti looked like floyd mayweather against these average joes, they werent able to land a punch!

although bimbo slice is alittle better, shane would kick that gorrilas ass, bimbo's telegraphed punches cant do shit.
Yeah that gatti shit was funny as fuck! Gatti looked like the second coming of SRL in that shit.:lol: People who have never been in the ring have no idea how hard it is to land a clean shot on a pro boxer is.

[MON]

Yeah that gatti shit was funny as fuck! Gatti looked like the second coming of SRL in that shit.:lol: People who have never been in the ring have no idea how hard it is to land a clean shot on a pro boxer is.

Some people are obsessed with big biceps.

They assume that because some roid head is built like a brick shithouse that he's automatically going to wipe out a world class boxer.

Mosley would box Kimbo's ears off and make him quit.

[Drexl]

do you really think mosley would keep his head still enough for kimbo to land his looping right?

kimbo makes margarito look like a skilled boxer.

I don't want to get into another argument in this thread, I have enough irritating shit going on around me here at work.. :yep

But a couple of points here - Mosley's head movement hasn't been that great lately, and would Kimbo even need to land a "clean" shot? :think

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Do you have any idea it is to hit cleany a world class boxer like Mosley? Kimbo would be in for a huge surprise if he ever laced up the gloves and got into a ring with the likes of Mosley. He would be beaten to the punch countered to death with his wide looping shots get hit to the body repeatedly. Kimbo ain't hurting Mosley with those wide arm punches. Not to mention he'll be gassed after 4 rounds and Mosley would finish him off after that. He can't avoid Mosley's shots and after a while especially the body shots will take their toll. Size doesn't mean shit especially when we're talking about a world class boxer against a crude street fighter in a boxing match.:deal If this was a street fight I could see your point but in a boxing match against an elite boxer like Mosley Kimbo is fucked.
Ummm... Kimbo doesn't throw wide looping shots. As a matter of fact, he just knocked Tank out with a straight right hand.
I don't get where all of these "Wide looping shots" remarks come from.

Watch his last fight. Straight jab... and every right hand that he throws is down the pipe, unless it is one of his solid uppercuts.

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[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

widdow you should watch pros vs joes, arturro gatti looked like floyd mayweather against these average joes, they werent able to land a punch!

although bimbo slice is alittle better, shane would kick that gorrilas ass, bimbo's telegraphed punches cant do shit.
We aren't talking about some dude who was good at basketball in high school, that let himself go and is fighting Gatti on Pros vs Joes. Can you imagine Gatti trying to bomb with Kimbo?:admin We are talking about a guy who has been training for years now in fighting, is very big, and has very good hands. Kimbo trained in boxing long before he ever showed up on those street fighting videos. His "street fighter" moniker is just great for his publicity. The man is WELL TRAINED.

[Drexl]

Some people are obsessed with big biceps.

They assume that because some roid head is built like a brick shithouse that he's automatically going to wipe out a world class boxer.

Mosley would box Kimbo's ears off and make him quit.

It's not really about that at all. Louis Monaco is built like a tank, but is an awful boxer.

But is Kimbo really that bad? Like I said earlier, I'd take a smaller & more skilled fighter over a larger & less skilled fighter 99 times out of 100. I'd also take any journeyman HW over Kimbo 100 times out of 100.

But I'm just not sure about this example.

[Dorfmeister]

Shane drives a overhand right home or beats the drum on him and Kimbo is sprawling on the floor - it is insane to think otherwise with boxing rules...

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I am one of the biggest boxing fans that you will ever find. However, sometimes I get so damn frustrated with how brainwashed most boxing fans are. People honestly think these guys are superhuman.

[Pimp C]

I am one of the biggest boxing fans that you will ever find. However, sometimes I get so damn frustrated with how brainwashed most boxing fans are. People honestly think these guys are superhuman.
Not superman but I know how skilled these guys are. An unskilled MMA fighter just isn't going to beat an elite boxer like Mosley in a boxing match. Kimbo would be befuddled by Shane's footwork, speed, defense, stamina, ring generalship. In fact as soon as he gets hit with lightning fast head body combo, if he doesn't get dropped, he will freeze up and become tenative for the rest of the fight trying only to survive and not engage. I've seen this with my own eyes time and time again in a gym when an experienced boxer faces a local tough guy from the street in a boxing match.

[Dorfmeister]

Brainwashed, WTF? It has nothing to do with being a fan, Kimbo has never experienced a punch on the temple or in the gut like Sugar Shane's - he can't do nothing about it, can't even antecipate, duck or slip those shots...

[Drexl]

I am one of the biggest boxing fans that you will ever find. However, sometimes I get so damn frustrated with how brainwashed most boxing fans are. People honestly think these guys are superhuman.

I know. Can you believe how much flack I got earlier for even suggesting the possibility of Kimbo winning?

People act like I assaulted their mother just for speculating that pure skill may not be enough in this particular case.

And as you well know, I'm also a passionate boxing fan. There's nothing I'd love more than to see a small boxer KO a huge "non-boxer" (which Kimbo isn't even exactly).

[MON]

Drexl, thing is, when you first suggested it you said 'Pre MMA Kimbo'

Now you've backtracked to try and support your argument.

Either way, Mosley wins.

[Drexl]

Either way, Mosley wins.

So if Mosley wins either way, what is your point?

I haven't backtracked shit. My other post was in a different thread. This is a new thread with a new topic, and I can make it whatever the fuck I want.

Most people seem to agree with you (although clearly not 90% like you said before). I'm fine with that, why do you care so much?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Not superman but I know how skilled these guys are. An unskilled MMA fighter just isn't going to beat an elite boxer like Mosley in a boxing match. Kimbo would be befuddled by Shane's footwork, speed, defense, stamina, ring generalship. In fact as soon as he gets hit with lightning fast head body combo, if he doesn't get dropped, he will freeze up and become tenative for the rest of the fight trying only to survive and not engage. I've seen this with my own eyes time and time again in a gym when an experienced boxer faces a local tough guy from the street in a boxing match.
Oh... and I bet that boxer fought at 147, and the other dude was a 6'2" 234 pound trained fighter, right? I bet that guy had been training under a legendary striker like Bas Rutten... right?

For the last time... WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOME DUDE OFF THE STREET WHO THINKS HE IS TOUGH. We are talking about a man who is extremely well trained, is VERY good with his hands... VERY GOOD. Who also happens to be half a foot taller, and is over 80 pounds heavier.

Once again... watch his pad and bag work... we are not talking about some non-skilled dude off the street for fuck's sake.

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You are living in a fantasy land if you think little Shane is going to come up against this guy, and have Kimbo just "trying to survive". Mosley would move around quick for a bit, probably have Kimbo a little uncomfortable trying to gauge his speed and movement. However, as soon as the contact began, it would become very apparent that Kimbo is going to run over him. Kimbo just bodying Mosley off would take it's toll on Shane. Let alone Kimbo hitting him, WHICH WOULD happen if Shane plans on getting within range himself.

My god, I would love for Mosley to go in there and piece Kimbo up. I would love it if Shane just picked him apart and left him bloodied and battered. However... I happen to live in reality.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

If we take out Drexl's vote....90% of the forum so far know nothing according to him. :rofl
No, most of the forum are just boxing fans who don't deal with reality outside of what they know. They think just because they see someone on HBO boxing, than that person is superhuman and would destroy anyone who they haven't seen on HBO boxing. Doesn't matter if that person is dwarfed in size, and that his opponent is also extremely well trained, and known for having very good hands.

[MrMagic]

This is a stupid thread.
Boxing wise, Mosley is in another dimension to Kimbo, his depth is simply superior! Mosley would win a boxing match any day of the week without any problems whatsoever.. You do the math:tired

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Man... I almost wish this fight would be made. Just so I could see the reaction on here afterwards.

Sadly, I bet it would go something like this... "This is bullshit, Prime Mosley wouldn't have went down like that. Mosley is over the hill. Put Kimbo in there against Mayweather or Cotto, then we will see. They would destroy him":rofl

[Drexl]

This is a stupid thread.

Don't post in it then, fucktard! :patsch

[Pimp C]

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This is your evidence??? Mosley would see those slow ass punches like he was Neo in the Matrix. Thanks for proving my point.:lol: :rofl :lol:

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Hell, even against Mercer... Kimbo was overwhelming him when they were on their feet. As soon as the fight started, Kimbo caught him with a left hook that moved Mercer back against the cage. Then, after grappling around they were back up and Kimbo once again had Mercer backed up against the fence and opening up on him at will with Mercer unable to fire back.

[Pimp C]

Man... I almost wish this fight would be made. Just so I could see the reaction on here afterwards.

Sadly, I bet it would go something like this... "This is bullshit, Prime Mosley wouldn't have went down like that. Mosley is over the hill. Put Kimbo in there against Mayweather or Cotto, then we will see. They would destroy him":rofl
Actually it would be more like...." I told you so. Only a fool would think a crude MMA fighter could compete with an elite boxer in a boxing match":lol: :rofl :yep

[Pimp C]

Hell, even against Mercer... Kimbo was overwhelming him when they were on their feet. As soon as the fight started, Kimbo caught him with a left hook that moved Mercer back against the cage. Then, after grappling around they were back up and Kimbo once again had Mercer backed up against the fence and opening up on him at will with Mercer unable to fire back.
Mercer was 95 years old when he fought Kimbo.:patsch

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

This is your evidence??? Mosley would see those slow ass punches like he was Neo in the Matrix. Thanks for proving my point.:lol: :rofl :lol:
If you watch his fights, he is faster than shown in that video. Which is why I posted the fight as well. It doesn't even matter if Mosley does see the punches coming... Kimbo would have to completely miss with everything that he threw, because even a blocked punch would punish Shane. If you think that Shane wouldn't get hit the entire fight, then you are worse off than I already knew.

[Pimp C]

If you watch his fights, he is faster than shown in that video. Which is why I posted the fight as well. It doesn't even matter if Mosley does see the punches coming... Kimbo would have to completely miss with everything that he threw, because even a blocked punch would punish Shane. If you think that Shane wouldn't get hit the entire fight, then you are worse off than I already knew.
I'm not saying he wouldn't get hit. Shane knows how to take a punch though and would take Kimbo's arm punches better than Kimbo would take his, especially to the body.:deal

[Loco LeftHook]

the most retarded thread ever!!! :nut what would win...a matchbox or a bar of soap??:think

[Drexl]

the most retarded thread ever!!! :nut what would win...a matchbox or a bar of soap??:think

THEN DON'T POST IN IT YOU FUCKING RETARD

So, how did you vote?

[Loco LeftHook]

THEN DON'T POST IN IT YOU FUCKING RETARD

So, how did you vote? i never...i would be a good % dumber after i did.

[MrMagic]

i never...i would be a good % dumber after i did.

We're fucking retards for not liking his thread :|

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Actually it would be more like...." I told you so. Only a fool would think a crude MMA fighter could compete with an elite boxer in a boxing match":lol: :rofl :yep
Ignorance is bliss.

I bet if you asked Shane, he would say exactly what I am saying. Just like when they asked Shane on the Carson Daily show about fighting in MMA... and Shane said that he helped train a couple of the Gracie's in boxing... and that they messed around with some MMA during the training and that they had him down and tapping so fast that he couldn't even think about throwing a punch. He said that he wouldn't go near any of those guys outside a boxing ring with gloves on (the Gracies are known to be awful strikers on their feet). Yet, I bet you would hold the stance that Mosley would go dominate in MMA at his weight.

You guys need to get your head out of your asses and deal with reality. Just because a person isn't a pro boxer, doesn't mean that he can't box. Kimbo happens to make his living a different way. You are EXTREMELY over exaggerating a boxers abilities. Outside of Vargas, Mosley hasn't scored a knockout in 7 years... yet he goes in there and knocks out big ass Kimbo, who is known to take a brutal punch with ease?:rofl Hell, look at what he did to Sean Gannon's face in their striking match, and Sean Gannon was a 6x Golden Gloves Champion. Sean himself admitted that he had to resort to elbows because Kimbo was so much better on his feet than he ever expected. He said that he would liken Kimbo's boxing ability to that of a good professional Journeyman Heavyweight. He said that with the right training, Kimbo would actually be a very good boxer.

Well... that was before Kimbo even began his formal training, and has clearly tightened up his striking since then.

[randeris]

possibly stupidest thread of the year.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

For those of you who think this thread is "stupid". Why are you reading it, and why are you posting in it? Nobody is forcing you. When I find threads to be stupid, I normally ignore it and move onto a different thread.

[MON]

Ignorance is bliss.

I bet if you asked Shane, he would say exactly what I am saying. Just like when they asked Shane on the Carson Daily show about fighting in MMA... and Shane said that he helped train a couple of the Gracie's in boxing... and that they messed around with some MMA during the training and that they had him down and tapping so fast that he couldn't even think about throwing a punch. He said that he wouldn't go near any of those guys outside a boxing ring with gloves on (the Gracies are known to be awful strikers on their feet). Yet, I bet you would hold the stance that Mosley would go dominate in MMA at his weight.





You've just proven the point....

He wouldn't go near any of these guys outside a boxing ring with gloves on....

Which shows he'd happily fight them in a boxing match, because he knows he'd win.

[Drexl]

We're fucking retards for not liking his thread :|


Errr..... no.

You're retards for keeping it at the top of page one by posting in it. Repeatedly.

:lol:

If you hate it so much, nobody is making you look at it even once. Never mind several times, and on top of that actively contributing to it.

Retarded. :deal

[Drexl]

possibly stupidest thread of the year.

Tied with MrMagic and Loco Lefthook for stupidest post of the year. :hi:

[Drexl]

For those of you who think this thread is "stupid". Why are you reading it, and why are you posting in it? Nobody is forcing you. When I find threads to be stupid, I normally ignore it and move onto a different thread.

It's not rocket science. :roll:

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

For all of you guys claiming that Kimbo throws wide looping punches, and doesn't have any boxing form....

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[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

You've just proven the point....

He wouldn't go near any of these guys outside a boxing ring with gloves on....

Which shows he'd happily fight them in a boxing match, because he knows he'd win.Uhh... no obviously you missed the point. He was talking about the smaller Gracie guys that he was training with. They are around his size, and HORRIBLE strikers.

[joe the great]

Ummm... Kimbo doesn't throw wide looping shots. As a matter of fact, he just knocked Tank out with a straight right hand.
I don't get where all of these "Wide looping shots" remarks come from.

Watch his last fight. Straight jab... and every right hand that he throws is down the pipe, unless it is one of his solid uppercuts.

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Not bad. Tank sucks.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Not bad. Tank sucks.
Yes, he does. However, I was showing Kimbo's fighting form. It is especially tough to keep nice posture and composure when fighitng a guy who fights wild.

[carll68]

Its bareknuckle boxing you wimp, look up the roots of the sport.

The point was to use a the closest thing I could find in video form to the thread.

Hey--cock eater....go fuck Kimbo or something...get the fuck out of here with that wimp shit....and I do know the origins of the sport, and the Marquis of Queensbury rules...and how we, as a society, have progressed, and how the sport has as well...now because of ever schmuvk having a video camera, we have trash fighting in alleys. Yep..thats a sanctioned bare knuckled brawl right there....moron.

[carll68]

Some one please throw up the Tyson hitting the pads video so Widow Maker can see waht true speed on the pads at that weight is about..then maybe he can compare and contrast that and come to his senses...top level boxer>low level grappler in a boxing ring. Kimbo is not fast my man...he is slower than even Ruddock..

[joe the great]

Yes, he does. However, I was showing Kimbo's fighting form. It is especially tough to keep nice posture and composure when fighitng a guy who fights wild.
I think Kimbo is good enough that he could beat a highly rated welterweight. I do however think that Mosely would tear up his protege Ray who weighs about 200 pounds.

[MacManJr.]

Oh... and I bet that boxer fought at 147, and the other dude was a 6'2" 234 pound trained fighter, right? I bet that guy had been training under a legendary striker like Bas Rutten... right?

For the last time... WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOME DUDE OFF THE STREET WHO THINKS HE IS TOUGH. We are talking about a man who is extremely well trained, is VERY good with his hands... VERY GOOD. Who also happens to be half a foot taller, and is over 80 pounds heavier.

Once again... watch his pad and bag work... we are not talking about some non-skilled dude off the street for fuck's sake.

iDIHeSx6jiM

You are living in a fantasy land if you think little Shane is going to come up against this guy, and have Kimbo just "trying to survive". Mosley would move around quick for a bit, probably have Kimbo a little uncomfortable trying to gauge his speed and movement. However, as soon as the contact began, it would become very apparent that Kimbo is going to run over him. Kimbo just bodying Mosley off would take it's toll on Shane. Let alone Kimbo hitting him, WHICH WOULD happen if Shane plans on getting within range himself.

My god, I would love for Mosley to go in there and piece Kimbo up. I would love it if Shane just picked him apart and left him bloodied and battered. However... I happen to live in reality.Great post and I agree 100% except for the part about loving to see Shane beat Kimbo. I just see no way in the world Shane could hurt or scare Kimbo.

[Punisher33]

I think anyone that laced up the gloves at one time in his life will tell you, Kimbo has decent boxing skills, guys like Widdow Maker and Beebs have seen my positive posts on Kimbo in the MMA forum. The truth of the matter is, Kimbo has good boxing skills and power for an MMA fighter, but he would look like a boxing novice if he fought anyone in the Heavyweight divisions top 100.

As far as Mosley/Kimbo, Mosley gives up size and power, no problem. Mosley has far superior foot work, defense, speed, stamina, and workrate. Mosley wouldnt even get hit with a solid punch the whole fight, Mosley will be countering his punches the whole night. It would be like putting a prime Roy Jones in the ring with Butterbean, yeah Butterbean has the power and weight, by whats power if you can even land your punches solidly?

[carll68]

I think anyone that laced up the gloves at one time in his life will tell you, Kimbo has decent boxing skills, guys like Widdow Maker and Beebs have seen my positive posts on Kimbo in the MMA forum. The truth of the matter is, Kimbo has good boxing skills and power for an MMA fighter, but he would look like a boxing novice if he fought anyone in the Heavyweight divisions top 100.

As far as Mosley/Kimbo, Mosley gives up size and power, no problem. Mosley has far superior foot work, defense, speed, stamina, and workrate. Mosley wouldnt even get hit with a solid punch the whole fight, Mosley will be countering his punches the whole night. It would be like putting a prime Roy Jones in the ring with Butterbean, yeah Butterbean has the power and weight, by whats power if you can even land your punches solidly?

My Man...great analogy..butterbean Vs. RJJ...perfect example! :happy We need a "Kimbo Vs Briggs" thread..people are enamored with biceps..how about a "Bob Sapp Vs Kimbo" match. :patsch

[MacManJr.]

I don't see the logic. Kimbo is every bit as skilled as Mayorga and Mayorga has won titles in boxing.

[carll68]

I don't see the logic. Kimbo is every bit as skilled as Mayorga and Mayorga has won titles in boxing.

Um.,..No, he isnt.....

[Drexl]

I don't see the logic. Kimbo is every bit as skilled as Mayorga and Mayorga has won titles in boxing.

That was one of the points I was trying to make - Mosley is light-years more skilled than Kimbo, but skill is not the only way to win in boxing.

[Drexl]

My Man...great analogy..butterbean Vs. RJJ...perfect example! :happy We need a "Kimbo Vs Briggs" thread..people are enamored with biceps..how about a "Bob Sapp Vs Kimbo" match. :patsch


How is RJJ anything like a Welter/Jr Middleweight?

By the way, I agree that prime RJJ kicks Butterbean's ass.

[Drexl]

I think Kimbo is good enough that he could beat a highly rated welterweight. I do however think that Mosely would tear up his protege Ray who weighs about 200 pounds.

Agreed

[joe the great]

How is RJJ anything like a Welter/Jr Middleweight?

By the way, I agree that prime RJJ kicks Butterbean's ass.
Prime Roy W 10 or 12 Butterbean. Today Roy W10 or 12.

[Drexl]

Prime Roy W 10 or 12 Butterbean. Today Roy W10 or 12.

No argument here.

[carll68]

How is RJJ anything like a Welter/Jr Middleweight?

By the way, I agree that prime RJJ kicks Butterbean's ass.

How is Kimbo over 320 lbs?

[Drexl]

How is Kimbo over 320 lbs?

I thought your point was that size doesn't matter no matter how great the difference is....

:yep

[Punisher33]

My Man...great analogy..butterbean Vs. RJJ...perfect example! :happy We need a "Kimbo Vs Briggs" thread..people are enamored with biceps..how about a "Bob Sapp Vs Kimbo" match. :patsch I'm not saying Kimbo isn't skilled in boxing, but there's a big difference between being skilled and being superior in a sport. I just see Kimbo missing alot of punches, and getting countered left and right, eventually leading to him quiting or gassing out mid-way through the fight, thats just my opinion.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Some one please throw up the Tyson hitting the pads video so Widow Maker can see waht true speed on the pads at that weight is about..then maybe he can compare and contrast that and come to his senses...top level boxer>low level grappler in a boxing ring. Kimbo is not fast my man...he is slower than even Ruddock..
Are you retarded? What does this have to do with Tyson, and who was comparing Tyson to Kimbo?

I never said that Kimbo was very fast, I said that he is much faster than he shows in that training video... you can see that by watching his fights. However, it isn't as if Kimbo would be winning this fight on speed.

Also, Kimbo isn't a grappler.... what the hell are you talking about?

[Pimp C]

I don't see the logic. Kimbo is every bit as skilled as Mayorga and Mayorga has won titles in boxing.
Come on bro.:patsch

[carll68]

I thought your point was that size doesn't matter no matter how great the difference is....

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There you go..."thinking" again..you should KNOW my point is that skill descrepncies of this magnitude overcome size disparities. Also, my question was in response to your question. You inquired "how is RJJ anything like a welter/junior welter", was it not? So, in order to illustratehow a size difference of Welter to Middle weight is insignifigant, becasue the your question implied it was relevant, I reversed the question, showing you the disparity between bean and KS, size wise, was more drastic, thus brining the analogy provided (RJJ Vs Bean) into focus when relating it to the thread topic.

[MON]

How is RJJ anything like a Welter/Jr Middleweight?

By the way, I agree that prime RJJ kicks Butterbean's ass.

Why does RJJ beat Butterbean (Who's actually a boxer)

But Floyd couldn't beat Big Show??

[carll68]

Are you retarded? What does this have to do with Tyson, and who was comparing Tyson to Kimbo?

I never said that Kimbo was very fast, I said that he is much faster than he shows in that training video... you can see that by watching his fights. However, it isn't as if Kimbo would be winning this fight on speed.

Also, Kimbo isn't a grappler.... what the hell are you talking about?

Correct me if I am wrong, but you keep throwing this pad video up as evidence of Kimbos "speed and skill". i wanted to contrast that to the speed and skill displayed by an actual boxer..and not even one as fast as SSM. This would put into perspective the how "slow" in boxing comparision, Kimbo really is, and how he would be clearly outgunned by a legit boxer.

[Punisher33]

How is RJJ anything like a Welter/Jr Middleweight?

By the way, I agree that prime RJJ kicks Butterbean's ass. I was just going by weight, Butterbeans what 300 plus and Jones was best at 160 or 168, thats a 140 pound difference roughly between the two, while Kimbo is what 275-280, while Mosley gets rounded to 150, thats also a 140 pound difference. I feel Butterbean is more skilled than Kimbo in boxing, like a prime Jones is more skilled than Mosley. So I feel the comparisons to Kimbo/Mosley is damn near equal to Jones/Butterbean, you have two superior boxers fighting two 3rd or 4th tier boxers that out weight there oppenents by 140-150 pounds.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I think Kimbo is good enough that he could beat a highly rated welterweight. I do however think that Mosely would tear up his protege Ray who weighs about 200 pounds.
I agree... Ray isn't anything like Kimbo though. This isn't about size alone overcomes skill. This is a matter of severe size/strength advantage plus well skilled overcoming world class skill.

I don't think that most of these guys know how good of an athlete Kimbo is. People are just talking of him as if he is a big guy from the local bar who gets into some street fights.

[Drexl]

Why does RJJ beat Butterbean (Who's actually a boxer)

But Floyd couldn't beat Big Show??

Because AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, the "smaller" guy in this case is still big enough to make his opponent respect his punches and therefore be able to dictate the distance and tempo of the fight. Just as Roy did vs Ruiz.

Keep up.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Correct me if I am wrong, but you keep throwing this pad video up as evidence of Kimbos "speed and skill". i wanted to contrast that to the speed and skill displayed by an actual boxer..and not even one as fast as SSM. This would put into perspective the how "slow" in boxing comparision, Kimbo really is, and how he would be clearly outgunned by a legit boxer.
I am correcting you, and you are wrong. Where the fuck did I say that pad video showed evidence of his speed? You just choose to throw that in there, because you don't have anything to argue with what I really said.

How the hell is showing Tyson being a much better, and faster boxer than Kimbo proving that Shane Mosley would beat Kimbo?:huh Your logic is retarded.

[carll68]

I agree... Ray isn't anything like Kimbo though. This isn't about size alone overcomes skill. This is a matter of severe size/strength advantage plus well skilled overcoming world class skill.

I don't think that most of these guys know how good of an athlete Kimbo is. People are just talking of him as if he is a big guy from the local bar who gets into some street fights.

On the contrary, I feel people are respecting KS and the skill set he posesses..yet they realize this iss not a boxing skill set. Please, Watch the fights..chin out, bad footwork, slow punches, stationary, lunging off balance..these are thing a world class boxer wil exploit, size not withstanding.

[MON]

Because AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, the "smaller" guy in this case is still big enough to make his opponent respect his punches and therefore be able to dictate the distance and tempo of the fight. Just as Roy did vs Ruiz.

Keep up.

So 168 RJJ can beat a professional boxer weighing 400 pounds....

But 147 Floyd can't beat a novice weighing 400 pounds??

You're beyond help....

[Drexl]

I was just going by weight, Butterbeans what 300 plus and Jones was best at 160 or 168, thats a 140 pound difference roughly between the two, while Kimbo is what 275-280, while Mosley gets rounded to 150, thats also a 140 pound difference. I feel Butterbean is more skilled than Kimbo in boxing, like a prime Jones is more skilled than Mosley. So I feel the comparisons to Kimbo/Mosley is damn near equal to Jones/Butterbean, you have two superior boxers fighting two 3rd or 4th tier boxers that out weight there oppenents by 140-150 pounds.

I respectfully disagree for two reasons.

1) Roy is naturally about 175, but would fight someone like bean at 190 ish. therefore the 140lbs in this case would actually be less.

2) Due to the limitations of the human frame, the power difference between a 150 lb fighter and a 275lb fighter is greater than the power difference between a 168 and 300 lb fighter. Power goes up drastically with size up to around the 200lb mark, then the increase is not as great as size increases because other factors level it out.

[carll68]

Guys, let's be realistic here. Kimbo destroys Shane Mosley in a boxing match. The man is TOO big, strong, and actually he is very skilled with his hands. Mosley would be so far within Kimbo's punching range in order to land anythin himself.

Kimbo on the pads and bag..... isn't as if he is a novice.

iDIHeSx6jiM

Well, you mention skillull with his hands, and use the video as supporting evidence. Skillful would imply he has speed..I mean, aside from basic non combat technique, what else can you really gather from a pad video? So, again, my point is this: Please review a video of a, let us say, Tyson, hitting the mitts, then comparre the spped and technique to KS...and realize the discrency. if a video of SSM hitting mitts was floating around, this would be an even better example, as it would compare the two subjects. But, i dont recall one. Face it, Kimbo is slow and telegrapghs his shots...in a boxing ring, with boxing rules, this will equal peril when faced with a technically skilled fighter.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

My Man...great analogy..butterbean Vs. RJJ...perfect example! :happy We need a "Kimbo Vs Briggs" thread..people are enamored with biceps..how about a "Bob Sapp Vs Kimbo" match. :patsch
You keep talking about biceps... maybe you are a little bit gay? I don't see any of us saying that Kimbo wins because he is muscular. What we are clearly saying is that his size, coupled with his skilled hands are too much for Shane Mosley.

[Jazzo]

Mosley would possibly die.

[carll68]

I respectfully disagree for two reasons.

1) Roy is naturally about 175, but would fight someone like bean at 190 ish. therefore the 140lbs in this case would actually be less.

2) Due to the limitations of the human frame, the power difference between a 150 lb fighter and a 275lb fighter is greater than the power difference between a 168 and 300 lb fighter. Power goes up drastically with size up to around the 200lb mark, then the increase is not as great as size increases because other factors level it out.

Man Drexl..you have mor Bullshit than a Texas farm. You will distort anything to try and make your point. Now RJJ is 190. Thats your scenario ... and yours only. The point is, the size difference is nto relevant, as it is negated by speed. Did not we just talk about this yesterday?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Well, you mention skillull with his hands, and use the video as supporting evidence. Skillful would imply he has speed..I mean, aside from basic non combat technique, what else can you really gather from a pad video? So, again, my point is this: Please review a video of a, let us say, Tyson, hitting the mitts, then comparre the spped and technique to KS...and realize the discrency. if a video of SSM hitting mitts was floating around, this would be an even better example, as it would compare the two subjects. But, i dont recall one. Face it, Kimbo is slow and telegrapghs his shots...in a boxing ring, with boxing rules, this will equal peril when faced with a technically skilled fighter.
Wow, you are dumb.:rofl So only guys with great speed are skillful?:lol: Thanks for the info, you are a genius.

[joe the great]

I agree... Ray isn't anything like Kimbo though. This isn't about size alone overcomes skill. This is a matter of severe size/strength advantage plus well skilled overcoming world class skill.

I don't think that most of these guys know how good of an athlete Kimbo is. People are just talking of him as if he is a big guy from the local bar who gets into some street fights. I think Kimbo could've probably beaten Peter Mc Neely and yes Kimbo does have better skill than Ray. I would love to see how good Kimbo is by putting him in there with a guy like Mighty Mo. Then we will know better of how skilled he truly is. I do think Mosely would've had to overcome a huge deficit in strenghth. I think that Kimbo has enough skill that he would over come most top 10 welterweight contenders.

[Drexl]

So 168 RJJ can beat a professional boxer weighing 400 pounds....

But 147 Floyd can't beat a novice weighing 400 pounds??

You're beyond help....

1) Roy would not weigh 168.
2) I pointed out why above.

Answer this - is the difference in power between prime Tyson (215) and Butterbean at 350lbs the same as the difference in power between prime Tyson and Prime Finito Lopez?

The size difference is greater after all....

[carll68]

You keep talking about biceps... maybe you are a little bit gay? I don't see any of us saying that Kimbo wins because he is muscular. What we are clearly saying is that his size, coupled with his skilled hands are too much for Shane Mosley.

Brutha,..you realy should lay off the personal attacks, faggot. Do you really want to make this personal and start slinging insults? Yeah..i am gay because I noticed Briggs is huge, and Kimbo is as well. yep...full blown Homo. Grow the fuck up. My point on this is that you must be enamored by his physique, because I dont see anything else that shows me he would be competitive in a boxing ring agaisnt an elite boxer.

[Drexl]

Man Drexl..you have mor Bullshit than a Texas farm. You will distort anything to try and make your point. Now RJJ is 190. Thats your scenario ... and yours only. The point is, the size difference is nto relevant, as it is negated by speed. Did not we just talk about this yesterday?

OK, consider Roy to be 168 if you like. I ws only pointing out that the only time he fought a Heavyweight, ROY HIMSELF felt the need to go up to 190+. Why do you think that is? Why didn't he just weight 175 like usual? He didn't just eat more, he went on an intensive training regime specifically to put on muscular weight.

Why was that?

[MON]

1) Roy would not weigh 168.
2) I pointed out why above.

Answer this - is the difference in power between prime Tyson (215) and Butterbean at 350lbs the same as the difference in power between prime Tyson and Prime Finito Lopez?

The size difference is greater after all....

You're moving the goalposts again.

You said Prime RJJ, not RJJ weighing 190.

Now tell me why 21 pounds means a guy can beat a professional 400 pound heavyweight, but take away 21 pounds and they can't beat a 400 pound novice??

[carll68]

Wow, you are dumb.:rofl So only guys with great speed are skillful?:lol: Thanks for the info, you are a genius.

What else can be derived from a video of mitt hitting? Really? Speed and technique..thats it. I dotn see the technique and overwhelming..so I am certain you must have been talking speed. Listen jackoff, I dont really think your idol is very talented with hs hands as it related to taking on top tier boxers in a boxing match.....how am I wrong?

[Drexl]

You're moving the goalposts again.

You said Prime RJJ, not RJJ weighing 190.

Now tell me why 21 pounds means a guy can beat a professional 400 pound heavyweight, but take away 21 pounds and they can't beat a 400 pound novice??


Why did Roy decide he needed to be 190+ to fight Ruiz?

[Drexl]

OK, consider Roy to be 168 if you like. I ws only pointing out that the only time he fought a Heavyweight, ROY HIMSELF felt the need to go up to 190+. Why do you think that is? Why didn't he just weight 175 like usual? He didn't just eat more, he went on an intensive training regime specifically to put on muscular weight.

Why was that?

:deal

[MON]

Why did Roy decide he needed to be 190+ to fight Ruiz?

Why did you say Prime RJJ would beat Butterbean, but are now moving the goalposts?

Why does 21 pounds mean a guy can beat a professional 400 pound heavyweight, but take away 21 pounds and they can't beat a 400 pound novice?

[Drexl]

Why did you say Prime RJJ would beat Butterbean, but are now moving the goalposts?

Why does 21 pounds mean a guy can beat a professional 400 pound heavyweight, but take away 21 pounds and they can't beat a 400 pound novice?

I have answered that already. LEARN TO READ.

I'm not saying 168lb Roy couldn't beat Butterbean, I just pointed out that ROY HIMSELF decided he needed to be bigger to fight a HW. And only a 220-240 one at that.




Is the difference in power between prime Tyson (215) and Butterbean at 350lbs the same as the difference in power between prime Tyson and Prime Finito Lopez?

The size difference is greater after all....

:deal

[carll68]

OK, consider Roy to be 168 if you like. I ws only pointing out that the only time he fought a Heavyweight, ROY HIMSELF felt the need to go up to 190+. Why do you think that is? Why didn't he just weight 175 like usual? He didn't just eat more, he went on an intensive training regime specifically to put on muscular weight.

Why was that?

Drexl...now..I complimented you on the BS/FMJ thread...go check..dont make me change my opinion. For now, I will assume you think you can position me like some other schmuck on here..I have seen you do it...but...lets look at this objectively:

1) He was facing a world class HW boxing champion (I know..it hurts to say world class and Ruiz in the same sentence)
2) It was mandatory for him to make that weight
3) His frame could handle it
4) Speed/mass=force..we talked about this
5) He is a word class boxer of elite stature.


you see, the skill descrpency is not there, as it is in BS/FMJ or KS/SSM..also, everyone is assuming that SSM is a WW because thats waht you made clear. Lets now say SSM at whatever weight he feels best.....whats the difference? My point is skill will offset weight when the difference is as large as in these 2 scenarios. Do I think SSM could BEat Lennox? Nope? Holyfield? Nope. Kimbo...yep.

[Punisher33]

I respectfully disagree for two reasons.

1) Roy is naturally about 175, but would fight someone like bean at 190 ish. therefore the 140lbs in this case would actually be less.

2) Due to the limitations of the human frame, the power difference between a 150 lb fighter and a 275lb fighter is greater than the power difference between a 168 and 300 lb fighter. Power goes up drastically with size up to around the 200lb mark, then the increase is not as great as size increases because other factors level it out. Thats fair point, but even a Jones at 168 I feel would beat Butterbean on pure speed and skill, if Jones lasted past 5 rounds with him, me and you both know Butterbean would become gassed and probably drop from exhaustion.

I just remember Tyson saying Julian Jackson hits harder than 90% of the Heavyweights I faced, he said this during a HBO telecast back in 88 or 89. I feel Jones hit very hard at Super Middleweight, enough so to give a 3rd tier Heavyweight like Butterbean a hard time in the ring, personally I cant see Butterbean even landing a solid shot on Jones the whole fight, the speed difference between the two would be mind blowing.

[Bigcat]

Shane .. he has movement and Power.. and he is finely tuned.. Kimbo has to be respected and has come a long way.. but definitely Shane..

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

On the contrary, I feel people are respecting KS and the skill set he posesses..yet they realize this iss not a boxing skill set. Please, Watch the fights..chin out, bad footwork, slow punches, stationary, lunging off balance..these are thing a world class boxer wil exploit, size not withstanding.
No, you were refering to him as a low level grappler just a few minutes ago. You have no idea what the hell you are even talking about. Stop twisting your shit around every other post. First of all... you are judging Kimbo's boxing footwork and stance on MMA or street fights, when he clearly has other things to worry about, other than punches. His form even against Abbott when he knew they were standing and trading was just fine. What was wrong with his jab, straight right that knocked Tank out? Hell, he even brought in a clean up left hook behind, that he didn't need. His footwork was just fight, and unless you don't watch much of him, then you would know that he always uses head movement and can take a punch.

Shane could not hurt him.... and Shane would be brutalized even if he blocked a punch from Kimbo.

When talking about skill simply overcoming size... then you have to be reasonable with the size difference. If you want to talk about RJJ beating Kimbo in a boxing match, then you have yourself an argument. But to pretend that someone so dwarfed in size would be able to establish and impose his boxing skills against a man who is two of himself, and skilled with his hands. Kimbo simply shoving his hand out there would knock Mosley's balance completely out of whack.

You keep bringing up Prime Tyson, as if any of us were retarded enough to pretend like Kimbo beats Prime Tyson in a boxing match. Do you think that Kimbo needs Tyson's speed and technique to beat Shane Mosley? I sure as hell don't. I wouldn't pick Kimbo to beat any top heavyweight boxer either... but as far as 147 pounders go... he would destroy them all. To argue this only shows ignorance on the indivduals being discussed, or a general lack of common sense.

[MON]

I have answered that already. LEARN TO READ.




So can a 168 fighter hurt a 400 pound fighter as you said a 147 one couldn't?

Is 21 pounds really that important though? Butterbean is a professional boxer and does MMA, Big Show has no proper training in fighting......but being 168 can beat Butterbean, but being 147 can not beat Big Show. I seriously don't get it?

Doesn't the 168 fighter represent a bigger and slower target for the 400 pound fighter to knock off balance like you said he would to a 147? Or does 21 pounds mean he can't knock you off balance anymore?

[joe the great]

So can a 168 fighter hurt a 400 pound fighter as you said a 147 one couldn't?

Is 21 pounds really that important though? Butterbean is a professional boxer and does MMA, Big Show has no proper training in fighting......but being 168 can beat Butterbean, but being 147 can not beat Big Show. I seriously don't get it?

Doesn't the 168 fighter represent a bigger and slower target for the 400 pound fighter to knock off balance like you said he would to a 147? Or does 21 pounds mean he can't knock you off balance anymore? Jones is lighting fast. I think he would move just enough to beat Bean on points and he was just big enough that he could keep Bean off him IMO.

[MON]

Jones is lighting fast. I think he would move just enough to beat Bean on points.

Yea.

But Drexl thinks RJJ would beat Butterbean. (No arguments)

But he also thinks Mayweather couldn't beat Big Show in a boxing match.

[Drexl]

Drexl...now..I complimented you on the BS/FMJ thread...go check..dont make me change my opinion. For now, I will assume you think you can position me like some other schmuck on here..I have seen you do it...but...lets look at this objectively:

1) He was facing a world class HW boxing champion (I know..it hurts to say world class and Ruiz in the same sentence)
2) It was mandatory for him to make that weight
3) His frame could handle it
4) Speed/mass=force..we talked about this
5) He is a word class boxer of elite stature.


you see, the skill descrpency is not there, as it is in BS/FMJ or KS/SSM..also, everyone is assuming that SSM is a WW because thats waht you made clear. Lets now say SSM at whatever weight he feels best.....whats the difference? My point is skill will offset weight when the difference is as large as in these 2 scenarios. Do I think SSM could BEat Lennox? Nope? Holyfield? Nope. Kimbo...yep.

I'm not trying to position you and I know I'm not going to convince you of anything. I don't want to get into an argument either, and I'm trying to keep it respectful ... :good We're just talking. I'm passing the time at work on a Friday afternoon. All this is nothing to get worked-up about.


I would say that the skill difference between Roy and Ruiz is much greater than the size gap, even if Roy was at 168.

[joe the great]

Yea.

But Drexl thinks RJJ would beat Butterbean. (No arguments)

But he also thinks Mayweather couldn't beat Big Show in a boxing match.
I am not sure that he could either. Maybe for a round or two.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

What else can be derived from a video of mitt hitting? Really? Speed and technique..thats it. I dotn see the technique and overwhelming..so I am certain you must have been talking speed. Listen jackoff, I dont really think your idol is very talented with hs hands as it related to taking on top tier boxers in a boxing match.....how am I wrong?
First of all... if you think that Kimbo is my idol, then once again... you are showing your ignorance on this matter. I have argued the other side of the fence when people would talk about Kimbo beating a boxer in the boxing ring. However, it just so happens that I am not retarded, and that just because I am not a fan of Kimbo.. that I would pretend he can't beat a 147 pound Shane Mosley.

I never said that he was as talented with his hands as top tier boxers... did I? Are you really this slow, that the same things need to be explained to you over and over? You can't read them correctly the first time? I provided the video to show something very simple. Not only does he clearly train in boxing... but that he clearly has decent punching technique, and power.

The point is that WITH THE SKILL THAT HE HAS.... coupled with the size and power that he has.... he would be simply too much for Shane Mosley.

[carll68]

No, you were refering to him as a low level grappler just a few minutes ago. You have no idea what the hell you are even talking about. Stop twisting your shit around every other post. First of all... you are judging Kimbo's boxing footwork and stance on MMA or street fights, when he clearly has other things to worry about, other than punches. His form even against Abbott when he knew they were standing and trading was just fine. What was wrong with his jab, straight right that knocked Tank out? Hell, he even brought in a clean up left hook behind, that he didn't need. His footwork was just fight, and unless you don't watch much of him, then you would know that he always uses head movement and can take a punch.

Shane could not hurt him.... and Shane would be brutalized even if he blocked a punch from Kimbo.

When talking about skill simply overcoming size... then you have to be reasonable with the size difference. If you want to talk about RJJ beating Kimbo in a boxing match, then you have yourself an argument. But to pretend that someone so dwarfed in size would be able to establish and impose his boxing skills against a man who is two of himself, and skilled with his hands. Kimbo simply shoving his hand out there would knock Mosley's balance completely out of whack.

You keep bringing up Prime Tyson, as if any of us were retarded enough to pretend like Kimbo beats Prime Tyson in a boxing match. Do you think that Kimbo needs Tyson's speed and technique to beat Shane Mosley? I sure as hell don't. I wouldn't pick Kimbo to beat any top heavyweight boxer either... but as far as 147 pounders go... he would destroy them all. To argue this only shows ignorance on the indivduals being discussed, or a general lack of common sense.

Your points are all valid....by they are also your opinion....I do not twist anything around in my posts...review before commenting. I said most on here are respecting KS..AND THE SKILL SET HE POSSESES..that skill set is not boxing....glad to hear that you are not completley illogical, and dotn beleive Kimbo would beat MT...but...you do know....the human body...its the same...shane could hurt him....we dont get knocked down from pain brutha..its the brain being pressed agaisnt the skull, causing a reactionary response of "blackout"..so, my man..anyone can hurt and ko anyone...equilibrium...same for everyone..shane could hurt him....my point is and will be this. The guys not 10 foot tall and 1000 pounds..he is not a salt water croc or a Polar Bear...he is a human..and, although larger....not nearly as skilled in the boxing ring as his opponent...the difference in skill would result in a loss.

[carll68]

I'm not trying to position you and I know I'm not going to convince you of anything. I don't want to get into an argument either, and I'm trying to keep it respectful ... :good We're just talking. I'm passing the time at work on a Friday afternoon. All this is nothing to get worked-up about.


I would say that the skill difference between Roy and Ruiz is much greater than the size gap, even if Roy was at 168.

i would say the skill difference between SSm and KS is even greater..to the point of opposite ends of the spectrum...

[Punisher33]

Jones is lighting fast. I think he would move just enough to beat Bean on points and he was just big enough that he could keep Bean off him IMO. If Jones fought Butterbean in a 12 round fight, bet whatever you have in the bank it aint going 12, there's a reason why Butterbean never fought past 8 rounds in his career. Could you imagine how sloppy RJJ would make him look? Not to mention how tired, he would look like Briggs after he just fought a 12 round fight, Butterbean would hit the canvas before the 8th round, I would bet everything I own on that.

[joe the great]

If Jones fought Butterbean in a 12 round fight, bet whatever you have in the bank it aint going 12, there's a reason why Butterbean never fought past 8 rounds in his career. Could you imagine how sloppy RJJ would make him look? Not to mention how tired, he would look like Briggs after he just fought a 12 round fight, Butterbean would hit the canvas before the 8th round, I would bet everything I own on that.
Okay a ten round fight. Butterbean did go ten with fossil Larry Holmes.

[carll68]

Okay a ten round fight. Butterbean did go ten with fossil Larry Holmes.

And Lost....

[joe the great]

And Lost....
Yep. I think Jones would score a shutout against Butterbean.

[Drexl]

So can a 168 fighter hurt a 400 pound fighter as you said a 147 one couldn't?

Is 21 pounds really that important though? Butterbean is a professional boxer and does MMA, Big Show has no proper training in fighting......but being 168 can beat Butterbean, but being 147 can not beat Big Show. I seriously don't get it?

Doesn't the 168 fighter represent a bigger and slower target for the 400 pound fighter to knock off balance like you said he would to a 147? Or does 21 pounds mean he can't knock you off balance anymore?

Roy at 168 wouldn't so much hurt Butterbean, but he'd get his respect so Roy could dictate the pace and distance.

Yes, I believe a 147lb fighter couldn't achieve that.


But it seems you disagree and that's fine. Why discuss it further?

[Drexl]

i would say the skill difference between SSm and KS is even greater....

...as is the size difference.

And we're back to square one. :yep


I'm going home now, you all enjoy yourselves and I'll check in tomorrow. :D


:hi:

[Punisher33]

Okay a ten round fight. Butterbean did go ten with fossil Larry Holmes. I forgot about the 02 battle of the buldge, but the elusive Jones would be more of a challenge than fighting a near 50 yearold for 10 rounds, the man would be spent in 6, and we be an easy target for Jones after that, he would be so tired his hands be at his waist and reduced to winging punches even a blind can see. Butterbeans only chance in that fight would be to take Jones out in the first round, if it goes past the 3rd round, it's money in the bank for Jones.

[joe the great]

I forgot about the 02 battle of the buldge, but the elusive Jones would be more of a challenge than fighting a near 50 yearold for 10 rounds, the man would be spent in 6, and we be an easy target for Jones after that, he would be so tired his hands be at his waist and reduced to winging punches even a blind can see. Butterbeans only chance in that fight would be to take Jones out in the first round, if it goes past the 3rd round, it's money in the bank for Jones. Actually Holmes I believe was 53 when he fought Butterbean. Okay he was 52 just about four months shy of 53.

[carll68]

Hsnt history shown us again and again that skill offsets size? Imean as far back as lil Jack Dempsey, 187 Lbs KO'ing Jess Willard and Tony Drake..both close to or over 250lbs.....these are jsut recognizabel examples...What about Sharkey Carnerra...????

[Punisher33]

Actually Holmes I believe was 53 when he fought Butterbean. Okay he was 52 just about four months shy of 53.:rofl Even worse for Butterbean then, it just goes to show how far away Butterbean is in skill level, compared to even a journeymen fighter.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Hsnt history shown us again and again that skill offsets size? Imean as far back as lil Jack Dempsey, 187 Lbs KO'ing Jess Willard and Tony Drake..both close to or over 250lbs.....these are jsut recognizabel examples...What about Sharkey Carnerra...????
Big difference. Once again. Give me an example of a welterweight... not just any welterweight, a welterweight that jumped up from Lightweight... beating a 234 pounder who has skill.

I would even understand if Kimbo didn't carry the power that he does. If Kimbo had his size, and skillset... but didn't punch like a mule then I could understand a bit more. However, the man hits with BIG power, and he has enough talent with his hands to land his punches. Especially considering that Mosley would have to be so far into Kimbo's range in order to land anything himself.

[dangerousity]

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230lb man vs 400lb man.



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230lb man vs 370lb of muscle. Ko punch.



If these guys can beat another with 150+ in weight difference, then a 150lb man will beat a 240lb man. You will say thats different, how? Why? Its only different in the boxing world because the 150lb man would usually be fighting an equally skilled 230lb man, however in this case it is a skilled 230lb man against a nonskilled 400lb man. Exactly what Mosley-Kimbo will be, a 100lb difference separated by lightyears in skill. Skill separates the 2.

[dangerousity]

Big difference. Once again. Give me an example of a welterweight... not just any welterweight, a welterweight that jumped up from Lightweight... beating a 234 pounder who has skill.

I would even understand if Kimbo didn't carry the power that he does. If Kimbo had his size, and skillset... but didn't punch like a mule then I could understand a bit more. However, the man hits with BIG power, and he has enough talent with his hands to land his punches. Especially considering that Mosley would have to be so far into Kimbo's range in order to land anything himself.

Theres no example because open class starts from 200lb. However that open class starts there because WW's would be fighting equally skilled 200lb men, as there are plenty of 200lb men to go around. Because there arent many 400lb men, the talent pool isnt too large thus when a 200lb man faces someone who is 300lb+, they usually win with skill. In this case we can use the same example that if not too many people who weighed 200lb existed, the talent pool would much smaller thus 150lb men would overcome them with skill. In the example we are using, it is exactly that, a noneskilled 240lb man. In the instance there was open weight class, a guy called Royce Gracie(150lb) was beating guys who outweighed him by 300lb. As MMA caught on and the talent pool got bigger, skill could not longer overcome size as the size also came along with skill. Simple to say, history has shown us time and time again that skill>size but size+skill>>skill.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

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230lb man vs 400lb man.



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230lb man vs 370lb of muscle. Ko punch.



If these guys can beat another with 150+ in weight difference, then a 150lb man will beat a 240lb man. You will say thats different, how? Why? Its only different in the boxing world because the 150lb man would usually be fighting an equally skilled 230lb man, however in this case it is a skilled 230lb man against a nonskilled 400lb man. Exactly what Mosley-Kimbo will be, a 100lb difference separated by lightyears in skill. Skill separates the 2.
Any man over 200 pounds has the ability to knock out his opponent. The frame is already big enough to deliver that sort of blow. However, a 147 pound man is an entirely different story.

[carll68]

Any man over 200 pounds has the ability to knock out his opponent. The frame is already big enough to deliver that sort of blow. However, a 147 pound man is an entirely different story.

Right..so the 147lbs man jsut needs to eat twinkies and doughnuts for a year, and he is all set...please man..back that statement up with sceince....everyone else here is giving you real world examples...all you can give us is nonsense..your logic is something like "But Buster douglas said on Leno in 1991 that any man over 200lbs can knock out another man...he didnt say under"..

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Right..so the 147lbs man jsut needs to eat twinkies and doughnuts for a year, and he is all set...please man..back that statement up with sceince....everyone else here is giving you real world examples...all you can give us is nonsense..your logic is something like "But Buster douglas said on Leno in 1991 that any man over 200lbs can knock out another man...he didnt say under"..
Do you have any point to your posts, or do you just quote people to make stupid shit up and argue?

[Caliboxing]

If Mosley was a light heavyweight and about 6" tall, I would say that he would beat Kimbo but he's not and Kimbo is to much for him. The people that say Mosley would ko him easy have obviously not boxed and don't realize how difficult it is.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

If Mosley was a light heavyweight and about 6" tall, I would say that he would beat Kimbo but he's not and Kimbo is to much for him. The people that say Mosley would ko him easy have obviously not boxed and don't realize how difficult it is.
Thank you... and I agree. If Mosley had his same skill set, and was a natural light heavyweight, I think that he would outbox him as well.

[Punisher33]

If Mosley was a light heavyweight and about 6" tall, I would say that he would beat Kimbo but he's not and Kimbo is to much for him. The people that say Mosley would ko him easy have obviously not boxed and don't realize how difficult it is. I have Boxed and I do realize the difficulty level Mosley would face. I'm a big Kimbo fan, he has good overall boxing technique and power for an MMA fighter, but inside a boxing ring and out of a cage, his fighting style would get him countered all night by an elite fighter like Mosley, who would truly make him look like a boxing novice with his footwork and great hand speed. I'm not saying it would be easy at first, but once Kimbo gets tired and frustrated from landing next to nothing of any significance throughout the first couple rounds, he will practically turn into a punching bag for Mosley IMO. I feel he would get him out of there by the 7th or 8th round, the accumulation of punches and being tired, will be too much for Kimbo to handle.

[joe the great]

Thank you... and I agree. If Mosley had his same skill set, and was a natural light heavyweight, I think that he would outbox him as well.
If Mosely was a Lightheavyweight with the same skill set he'd knock Kimbo out. IMO.

[Alo2006]

Free Post :yep

[Drexl]

dumb topic of the month
Another joint-winner of dumb post of the month. :happy



Hmmm looking at the title, I'm guessing this topic will seem pointless to me... but I guess I simply HAVE take a look anyway. Wow! I was right! I don't like this thread at all....
....Oh well, I guess now I have to post in it to keep at at the top of page one. Damn. I hate when I do that!



:patsch

[untmike]

Judging by that video posted of Kimbo he wouldnt land a single punch. He has good form but he is extremely slow. Im sure if he caught Mosley it would be over but he wouldnt because you can see that coming from a mile away. Anyways why is this such a hot topic anyway. Why not something more reasonable like how fast do you think Wlad would KO Kimbo. I say 15 sec. One of my ignorant friends had the nerve to say Kimbo would Kill in boxing lol. He wouldnt last a minute in the ring.

[untmike]

Free Post :yep
Who the hell is that in the avy wit the nice ass bro:hey

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Judging by that video posted of Kimbo he wouldnt land a single punch. He has good form but he is extremely slow. Im sure if he caught Mosley it would be over but he wouldnt because you can see that coming from a mile away. Anyways why is this such a hot topic anyway. Why not something more reasonable like how fast do you think Wlad would KO Kimbo. I say 15 sec. One of my ignorant friends had the nerve to say Kimbo would Kill in boxing lol. He wouldnt last a minute in the ring.
:dead Why are you judging his speed off of his pad work? He was clearly hitting for power in those clips. Watch his fights, he is much faster than he shows there. Of course, you would know this of you took the time to read.