View Full Version : Nice guys who were dirty fighters
fists of fury
07-10-2007, 06:19 AM
If you mention Evander Holyfield, George Foreman and Frank Bruno, you would not think of them as dirty fighters, but each basically good man showed a darker side to their game.
George foe example, hit Ken Norton after Norton had fallen into the ropes and the ref had gotten between them.
Another incident, whilst not technically dirty, saw him hit Frazier behind the head as Joe made a break for it.
Lastly, a few of his early comeback victims complained of George throwing kidney punches.
Evander's best weapon some say was his head, which he used to great effect in some of his fights. I used to wince sometimes as Holyfield used his noggin like a battering ram. He was also not averse to throwing low blows or elbows, or punching after the bell although these were usually retaliatory in nature. But that head - wow.
Frank Bruno was perpertually fouling in the first Tyson fight, mostly by holding and hitting. Against Pierre Coetzer, Bruno transgressed the rules more often than he obeyed them, using elbows, low blows, holding and hitting and using every dirty tactic in the game to win.
Which other nice guys didn't always abide by the rules?
Nemesis
07-10-2007, 06:26 AM
Rocky Marciano, what he did to Cockell, should have disqualified him
fists of fury
07-10-2007, 06:30 AM
True. Old Rocky was never shy with a few illegal tactics.
bagman
07-10-2007, 06:54 AM
Ricky Hatton
silverking
07-10-2007, 07:42 AM
Both Brian London (no angel himself) & Jerry Quarry have been quoted as saying Floyd Patterson was the dirtiest fughter they ever met, and these two between them fought virtually every heavyweight of note from the 50's to the 70's.
MachineGunMitch
07-10-2007, 07:44 AM
holy the head butt'r.......
Minotauro
07-10-2007, 07:45 AM
Henry Armstrong threw a lot of low blows, headbutts and elbows but from what I've read seems like a decent guy.
Thread Stealer
07-10-2007, 10:53 AM
Terry Norris
Felix Trinidad
As with lots of fighters, they were known as pretty nice guys outside the ring. Once they entered the ring, they transformed and their mean streaks came out (as they should have)
janitor
07-10-2007, 10:56 AM
Don't forgett that prince among men Tony Galento.
janitor
07-10-2007, 10:57 AM
As with lots of fighters, they were known as pretty nice guys outside the ring. Once they entered the ring, they transformed and their mean streaks came out (as they should have)
The fighters who are gentlemen outside the ring are often the cruelest and most remorsless inside it.
C. M. Clay II
07-10-2007, 11:34 AM
Definetely Marciano. using elbows against Louis. Low blowing Cockell and hitting behind the head, also he dis that to Ezzard charles during the knockout combination. He was sloppy and real dirty at times.
MrSmall
07-10-2007, 12:04 PM
B-hop.
Duodenum
07-10-2007, 12:21 PM
The fighters who are gentlemen outside the ring are often the cruelest and most remorsless inside it.The Manassa Mauler is a classic example in this respect. Jack Dempsey's gravestone epitaph reads, "A GENTLE MAN AND A GENTLEMAN." (That's probably because he got rid of all his viciousness in competition.)
janitor
07-10-2007, 01:03 PM
The Manassa Mauler is a classic example in this respect. Jack Dempsey's gravestone epitaph reads, "A GENTLE MAN AND A GENTLEMAN." (That's probably because he got rid of all his viciousness in competition.)
The most dangerous fighter possible is not an out and out thug. He is doctor Jeckel outside the ring and Mr Hyde inside it. The ring is not part of the real world to him.
This type of fighter will reduce an oponent to a physical wreck as casualy as they will squash a fly.
Duodenum
07-10-2007, 01:24 PM
The most dangerous fighter possible is not an out and out thug. He is doctor Jeckel outside the ring and Mr Hyde inside it. The ring is not part of the real world to him.
This type of fighter will reduce an oponent to a physical wreck as casualy as they will squash a fly.And notorious serial killers like Ted Bundy obtain those oppotunities in the first place with their charm and approachability. It's not the strange and creepy ones who are necessarily dangerous, but the ones who put a person at ease enough to let their guard down.
Joe E
07-10-2007, 06:20 PM
Fritzie Zivic.He was a good family man.
Terry Norris
Felix Trinidad
As with lots of fighters, they were known as pretty nice guys outside the ring. Once they entered the ring, they transformed and their mean streaks came out (as they should have)
I don't think I've ever seen a fighter who wanted to hurt people more than Terry Norris.
Boro chris
07-10-2007, 06:57 PM
I remember someone once said that Toney, although an asshole out of it, was never a particularly dirty fighter in the ring.
Duodenum
07-10-2007, 08:12 PM
I remember someone once said that Toney, although an asshole out of it, was never a particularly dirty fighter in the ring.Now that you mention it, I've never though of him as a particularly dirty fighter while competing either. (His steroid use is another matter. Maybe 'roid rage is responsible for his sour temperament when he's not boxing.)
Pat_Lowe
07-10-2007, 09:43 PM
The fighters who are gentlemen outside the ring are often the cruelest and most remorsless inside it.
The opposite to this would be Carlos Monzon, a clean fighter in the ring and a good sportsman. Outside the ring he was one of the worst human beings imaginable
I got into boxing in the 80's and saw a replay of Monzon's last fight with Valdez. He was so in control in the ring I was surprised when I later learned of how bad he was outside of it.
ironchamp
07-10-2007, 10:45 PM
Holyfield
Trinidad
nooginator
07-11-2007, 12:01 AM
John Ruiz
vBulletin® v3.8.0, Copyright ©2000-2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.